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Thursday, May 09, 2024

The refusal to commit to accept elections results is "deeply concerning," said Steven Levitsky, a government professor at Harvard University who studies democracy around the world. "Accepting the results of elections is in effect the cardinal rule of democracy. It is the first rule of democratic politics. If a major party is not willing to accept defeat in elections, democracy cannot be stable."



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No surprise.

They have been endeavoring to assert (without meaningful substantiation) that our elections are bogus.

If they repeat it frequently enough, the cult will believe it.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-09 12:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump has continued to falsely claim that the 2020 election was rigged and that he won states that he did not win, such as Wisconsin. Trump also has suggested he may not accept the results of the next election, including in an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that was published last week.

Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) was pressed at least six times in a TV interview Sunday on whether he would accept this November's results. He repeatedly declined to do so, only saying he was looking forward to Trump being president again.

North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, in a TV interview Sunday, dodged a question about Trump's comments on political violence. Burgum, like Scott, declined to contemplate a scenario in which the former president loses.

Rep. Elise Stefanik (N.Y.), the No. 4 Republican in the House, would not commit in January to voting to certify the 2024 results as a member of Congress.

"This is how democracies break down," Michael K. Miller, a political science professor at George Washington University who studies democracy said, later adding, "It's such a low bar to say, Yeah, the election is free and fair,' or, I will obey the results of the election.' ... You don't deserve credit for not committing a crime."

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-05-09 12:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

OpEd: The Atlantic's June Cover Story: Anne Applebaum on How "Democracy Is Losing the Propaganda War"

... Even in authoritarian states where surveillance is almost total, Applebaum reports, "the experience of tyranny and injustice can radicalize people. Anger at arbitrary power will always lead someone to start thinking about another system, a better way to run society." This has resulted in autocratic regimes slowly turning their repressive mechanisms outward, into the democratic world. Applebaum writes: "If people are naturally drawn to the image of human rights, to the language of democracy, to the dream of freedom, then those concepts have to be poisoned. That requires more than surveillance, more than close observation of the population, more than a political system that defends against liberal ideas. It also requires an offensive plan: a narrative that damages both the idea of democracy everywhere in the world and the tools to deliver it."

To accomplish this, Applebaum reports, autocracies are now making systematic efforts to influence both popular and elite audiences, including via the use of state-controlled media"most notably China's Xinhua news agency and Russia's RT, but also Venezuela's Telesur network and Iran's Press TV, along with numerous others"to create stories, slogans, memes, and narratives promoting the worldview of the autocracies. These, in turn, are repeated and amplified in other countries, translated into multiple languages, and reshaped for local markets around the world.

When these stories make their way to the U.S., Applebaum reports, "a part of the American political spectrum is not merely a passive recipient of the combined authoritarian narratives that come from Russia, China, and their ilk, but an active participant in creating and spreading them. Like the leaders of those countries, the American MAGA right also wants Americans to believe that their democracy is degenerate, their elections illegitimate, their civilization dying.

The MAGA movement's leaders also have an interest in pumping nihilism and cynicism into the brains of their fellow citizens, and in convincing them that nothing they see is true. Their goals are so similar that it is hard to distinguish between the online American alt-right and its foreign amplifiers." The State Department has in the past decade created a division to preemptively combat (or "prebunk") foreign disinformation operations. But no such agency exists to combat the spread of Russian and Chinese propaganda within the United States. ...

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#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-09 01:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why is this even a question?

Of course he isn't going to accept them when he loses.

He's a ------- baby.

We saw it live in 2021 when he kicked over the game board instead of being an adult and caused people years in jail, injuries and death.

Anyone backing him this time is some special kind of stupid -------.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-09 07:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I love the poorly educated."
Don Trump, 2026

... and grifters, gropers, groomers, and goons who hoot at cruelty. Your basic -----------.

#5 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-05-09 07:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm running out of ways to say that these people are scum. But scum they be, as is anyone who supports their scumminess with votes or money. I'm sorry, but Election 2024 is a test of character. You can decide that you have some or you can be like Donald Trump.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-09 07:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Why should they when 2020 was rife with fraud?

#7 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-05-09 08:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

This revelation puts into question the election victory of every person who now plans to disavow the results of this coming November's election. There is no sane way to argue that one's own election results are on the level but those of another candidate on the same ballot are not. In other words, 'What makes you so special?'...

#8 | Posted by catdog at 2024-05-09 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why should they when 2020 was rife with fraud?


You're a garden-variety fascist.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-09 09:40 AM | Reply


What profits normal people to talk with persons such as you all the while knowing that you are fantasizing about burning us out?

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-09 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why should they when 2020 was rife with fraud?

#7 | Posted by THEBULL

I agree, we really need to keep on eye on GOP voters. What were they? The source of 98% of the fraud?

Double check everything - their registrations to vote, ID cards, actual addresses - all of it. And forget mail in ballots for them. They have proven to be the untrustworthy ones voting in 2 locations, voting multiple times, voting when not eligible. I mean the list goes on.

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-05-09 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11 They should check all of these but the Dems won't allow it.

#12 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-05-09 11:31 AM | Reply

"Why should they when 2020 was rife with fraud?"

Any idiot can repeat talking points but you can't prove what your stupid mouth says.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-09 02:18 PM | Reply

"2020 was rife with fraud"

Sorry, pal, but you don't get to make that argument if you've had three and a half years and STILL haven't proven anything but the garden variety of lone extra votes, usually by Republicans.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-09 03:02 PM | Reply

Republicans will never accept another Democratic presidential victory as legitimate again.

#15 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-09 03:07 PM | Reply

Why would he accept the results, when he still hasn't accepted the results for 2020.

When his behavior has had no consequences or repercussions.

If anything, the lack of meaningful response from the Democratic Party has emboldened him.

The Democratic Party is party this weak.

The Republican party is crazy.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-09 03:20 PM | Reply

Why should they when 2020 was rife with fraud?

It was so "rife with fraud", that after months of investigation, and hundreds of millions wasted, the Republican Party couldn't find any evidence of fraud.

It's either because the Republicans are incompetent, or because there wasn't any fraud to be found.

Your choice.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-09 03:24 PM | Reply

If the they will not honor an election that does not go in their favor, then they are without honor and should not be trusted to hold power. Conservatives (Republicans, Libertarians, The Klan, the Evangelical heretics, etc) must be punished for betraying a 200 year old trust. Hold your nose and vote blue across the board. WE need to teach future politicians that things like rebellions and rejecting elections are not acceptable from American political parties.

Oh and to THEBULL, you just demonstrated how to say you are a credulous fool without saying your a credulous fool. Do you not ever get angry at the people lying to you? People who don't even bother to lie well since they think you are too stupid to ever see through their nonsense. Also, your true master is Putin, the trump is his convenient fool/traitor. You and yours have betrayed every person that has ever served and / or died for this country. You piss on their sacrifices by embracing the fascists. Your descendants will be as appalled by your twaddle, if they ever find it, as the average German is to find out about SS grandpa. You are a pathetic group of human beings that want to kill half the country because (Insert twaddle here).

Galaxiepete, it seems that to certain conservatives, who are not and have not ever been a part of the electoral process, the Democrats must be cheating because that is what they would do if they could figure out how to do it without getting caught by law enforcement. Since they know that, in general, Democrats are smarter than they are, they figure that the Democrats must of figured it out.

War is coming my friends. Putin is funding hyper-nationalist conservative movements across the world to sow chaos and eliminate effective opposition to the rise of Comrade Tzar Vlad's Glorious Russian Empire. Unless he dies soon and his successor abandons this course of action, I do not see any other future. We bow down to the master or we destroy him without regards to the cost. Our ancestors sacrificed lives and wealth to defeat the last batch of fascists, it seems that it will soon be our turn.

#18 | Posted by Killjoy at 2024-05-09 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Obviously the way we know that Dems cheated, despite almost all the voter frauds that actually occurred were by rwingers.... is that The Donald could not have possibly lost!

He never loses!

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-09 03:42 PM | Reply

But the Russian interference.....

#20 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-05-09 06:02 PM | Reply


Now do China.......

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-05-09 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But the Russian interference.....


Which was proven, by a republican congressional committee.

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-09 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How many cops are going to perish after the filth-smearing berserkers spaz out after the demented orange pedo loses again?

#23 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-09 10:05 PM | Reply

But the Russian interference.....

Expressing alarm over a foreign adversary coopting a major US political party and overtly assisting them in any way possible, but abiding by the results regardless


Saying millions of votes from states i dont like shouldn't be counted, mounting a nationwide pressure campaign based on lies, breaking into the Capitol, smearing ---- on the walls

Yep totally the same

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-10 10:37 AM | Reply

"Republicans will never accept another Democratic presidential victory as legitimate again."

We need a Constututional Amendment that requires a candidate to take an oath to accept the outcome of the vot unless he/she can prove election vheating in court or not be allowed to have their name on the ballot. No one whorejects elections as the decisiion making tool of denocracy should be allowed to participate in our democracy.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-10 01:40 PM | Reply

The Party that cannot win the popular vote on the
National Scale anymore, has opted to Cheat. Period.

Cheat and blame the other side, and act like they are
the ones (voting multiple times in multiple states,
fighting legal battles in court to prevent fairer redistricting
across the S and SE, conspiring to harass college students
and HS students as they go to vote with armies of rabid MAGA
yelling at them outside, and abusing the court system to
protect the most corrupt former POTUS in US history).

Did I leave anything out? I likely did, the list of GOP
transgressions is long, long, long...

#26 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-05-10 02:13 PM | Reply

Oh, how short-sighted partisan people truly are. Just Google "hillary wont accept election results" to get her rhetoric regarding the 2016 election results. And then research to see how many Dems supported her in this. Then, search the same thing but add 2020 after it where she says Biden should not accept the election results if he doesn't win, with headlines like "Hillary Clinton says Biden should not concede the election 'under any circumstances'"

So, every comment above that demonizes Reps for not committing, just know your statements apply 100% to your party as well. There is no context you can provide that makes it otherwise. I know it will hurt your ego and you will either attack me or start saying "but...but...but...what about..." doesn't matter, your hypocrisy is on full display. If you don't like it, start attacking your own party for doing the exact same thing you are demonizing the other party for. It's incredibly simple to understand if you take off your partisan blinders.

I can't stand that both parties do this. And both parties blame the other party for everything that is wrong. And that both parties demonize the other for things they themselves do all the time. And the only way it will ever get better is when each party holds themselves accountable. For those that refuse to do so, YOU are the ruin of America.

#27 | Posted by humtake at 2024-05-10 02:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

HumTrig is the dirtbag who supported the cop-killing insurrectionists on J6.

#28 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-10 03:03 PM | Reply

I can't stand that both parties do this. And both parties blame the other party for everything that is wrong. And that both parties demonize the other for things they themselves do all the time. And the only way it will ever get better is when each party holds themselves accountable. For those that refuse to do so, YOU are the ruin of America.

#27 | Posted by humtake

Both parties challenge results in court.

Only one party lost in court and then attempted a coup, which forever ended your "both parties are the same" crap.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-05-10 03:07 PM | Reply

Democracy is an honor system. Republicans have no honor.

#30 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-05-10 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So if Fat Donnie Loser "wins", I can burn down Mar-A-Lardo, right?

#31 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-05-10 10:06 PM | Reply

To all the dumb ------- that replied to me, you best ------- pray that another COVID like event occurs. Without all the drop box fraud, and illegally changed voting laws Biden has no ------- chance. Have a fantastic day you stupid -----

#32 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-05-11 09:45 AM | Reply


You're a vicious, fascist drone and nobody likes you.

Thought you'd like to know.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-11 09:58 AM | Reply

It is lovely when a political party embraces magical thinking./s

#34 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-05-11 12:34 PM | Reply

Have a fantastic day you stupid -----


LOL. Triggered!

Looks like someone is chomping at the bit waiting for Dictator Day (aka The Purge)

Looking forward to a little "revenge and retribution"?

No worries. We may not like you much but The Orange Trumpy Turd just loves the uneducated.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-11 12:51 PM | Reply

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