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Oklahoma Schools Must Incorporate Bible, 10 Commands in Curriculum
All Oklahoma schools are required to incorporate the Bible and the Ten Commandments in their curriculums, effective immediately, the state's chief education officer announced in a memorandum Thursday.
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This is blatantly unconstitutional, but still might make it past the current supreme court.
#1 | Posted by qcp at 2024-06-27 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4
Liars gonna lie.
Let the lawsuits began.
#2 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-06-27 03:33 PM | Reply
but still might make it past the current supreme court. #1 | POSTED BY QCP
That's the plan.
Let the lawsuits began. #2 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD
That's what OK is hoping for (see #1).
#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-06-27 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Most churches don't even have the Ten Commandments posted.
#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-27 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4
I'm still waiting to hear how you explain what "covet" means to a child without sexualizing the child.
#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-27 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3
"All Oklahoma schools are required to incorporate the Bible and the Ten Commandments in their curriculums"
Can't wait for the new curriculum!
They could teach this in Spanish class, in the lesson about Tijuana:
Bible > Ezekiel > Chapter 23 > Verse 20 Ezekiel 23:20
New International Version There she lusted after her lovers, whose -------- were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
New Living Translation She lusted after lovers with -------- as large as a donkey's and emissions like those of a horse.
English Standard Version and lusted after her lovers there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses.
#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-27 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5
The cannibals are getting cocky.
#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-27 04:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
Snoofy,
Covet is simple to explain.
Jealous.
Getting sexual isn't necessary.
#8 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-27 04:47 PM | Reply
Snoofy, Covet is simple to explain. Jealous. Getting sexual isn't necessary. #8 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
You don't understand what that Commandment means, BillJohnson.
You really just don't get it.
#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-27 04:52 PM | Reply
One wonders the need to not say gay then.
#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-27 05:27 PM | Reply
This is unconstitutional. You can't promote one religion over another. Public schools must be neutral places for learning. Keep your religion to your houses of worship. That's where they belong.
#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-06-27 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4
I do believe that very International Tulsa and the tribes in the Northeast will have an interesting reaction to this.
#12 | Posted by Tor at 2024-06-27 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
The competitive and Inevitable slide into White "Christian" Nationalism in the Red states, Oklahoma tells Louisiana "Here, hold my beer."
#13 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-27 07:25 PM | Reply
D'Oh! klahoma
#14 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-06-27 07:33 PM | Reply
#1 | POSTED BY YAV
Coming soon through force to a community near you.
#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-27 07:34 PM | Reply
"You don't understand what that Commandment means, BillJohnson.
You really just don't get it."
Never has, never will...that boy's a lost ball in high grass.
#16 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-06-27 07:40 PM | Reply
I swear I looked on the front and back pages before posting this! I see QCP beat me by hours!
#17 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-27 07:44 PM | Reply
Time for the Native Americans to reposes Oklahoma.
#18 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-27 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6
They just got the charter thing ruled against them and they respond with this?
Why not just require teachers to hold confessions and distribute holy communion?
#19 | Posted by eberly at 2024-06-27 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#5 - they're afraid that'd amount to free lunch.
#20 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-27 07:55 PM | Reply
"Why not just require teachers to hold confessions"
Teachers are Mandated Reporters. They'd have to tell on Timmy's Dad for touching Timmy's sister. Republicans would rather keep that in the family.
#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-27 07:58 PM | Reply
7
Funny ... ..
#22 | Posted by eberly at 2024-06-27 07:59 PM | Reply
6 is funny also. I rarely find much funny here except hysterical rants.
#23 | Posted by eberly at 2024-06-27 08:00 PM | Reply
So parents can't opt out of having their chldren be indoctrinated in this way?:
"The white christian nationalist was elected in 2022 with the goal of transforming the public school system into a fundamentalist christian laboratory. Under his new policy, students and teachers of other faiths will not have to option of opting out or refusing this requirement."
meidasnews.com
So much for freedom of religion being part of the American way.
#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-06-27 08:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
So much for "school" in OK...
#25 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-06-27 10:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Part of the Okiehoma Edumacashun Dept's "My Mythology Whups Yer Mythology" project.
#26 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-06-28 05:43 AM | Reply
You do know that the Bible mandates that women have no rights and are only alive to make babies and serve men, right? You have read the Constitution and its clear declaration that no religion be established? You have read the Constitution and seen that nowhere is the Christian Bible mentioned? He is a self aggrandizing liar if he says that what he did is legal. He just couldn't say he is for white Christian Nationalism, so he starts with Christianity as the state's religion.
#27 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-06-28 08:04 AM | Reply
#1
I don't think there's a chance that even this corrupt SCROTUS will allow this nonsense.
#28 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-06-28 08:04 AM | Reply
You're going to be absolutely shocked and disappointed at what the SC will do over the next decades
#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-28 08:13 AM | Reply
You have read the Constitution and seen that nowhere is the Christian Bible mentioned?
"God" isn't mentioned at all. It is not in there. At all.
#30 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-28 09:43 AM | Reply
Ah, grooming kids with bronze age myths about adultery AND blatantly violating the first amendment.
good job, republicans. you built that.
#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 10:18 AM | Reply
It is about jealousy.
I know exactly what it is.
Only pervs and liberals think you need to go full on describing in detail.
#32 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 10:23 AM | Reply
5 year old: what does adultery mean?
teacher: uh ...
#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 10:25 AM | Reply
Bill Johnson apparently forgot about the seventh commandment.
#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 10:26 AM | Reply
and the first amendment.
#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 10:27 AM | Reply
Only pervs and liberals think you need to go full on describing in detail. #22 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
The Commandment goes into detail. Why is it okay to covet your own daughter, BillJohnson? This is a question you can't answer, and not just because you're a Trump supporter.
#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-28 10:28 AM | Reply
I know you're trying to make it about lust and not jealousy.
But you're probably a creep so that's how you think.
#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 10:29 AM | Reply
It is about jealousy. I know exactly what it is. Only pervs and liberals think you need to go full on describing in detail.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-06-28 10:23 AM | REPLY
Covet means to desire something very very much. IE lust. Please do try again.
#38 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-06-28 10:43 AM | Reply
I know you're trying to make it about lust and not jealousy. #27 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
The jealousy, is not being able to satisfy one's lust, like the owner of the thing being coveted gets to do.
You of all people understand what it means to not express one's lust.
Stop lying about what The Bible says.
#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-28 10:46 AM | Reply
Go on, explain why you shouldn't covet your neighbor's wife, but it's okay to covet your own wife.
Explain it like I'm five.
#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-28 10:47 AM | Reply
"It is about jealousy."
So, when Trump committed Adultery, where was the jealousy?
#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 11:20 AM | Reply
Poor Bill.
#42 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-28 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
Covet is a big word and too difficult for someone on your reading level.
#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 01:08 PM | Reply
Dan,
Check out Jesus's definition of adultery.
#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 01:09 PM | Reply
Bill
I see your prophet and raise you.
Check out Ghandi's take on the separation of church and state.
"If I were a dictator, religion and state would be separate. I swear by my religion. I will die for it. But it is my personal affair. The state has nothing to do with it. The state would look after your secular welfare, health, communications, foreign relations, currency and so on, but not your or my religion. That is everybody's personal concern!"
#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-28 01:14 PM | Reply
BillJohnson is here to defend adultery?
This is what happened when you join a cult.
His poor wife.
#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-28 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
" Check out Jesus's definition of adultery."
I guarantee it includes screwing a professional whore while your wife is home nursing your newborn.
Are you actually pretending otherwise?
#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 01:30 PM | Reply
Covet is a big word and too difficult for someone on your reading level. #33 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
Just to be clear:
Being Jealous of my neighbor's hot wife IS a Sin? Having an affair with her IS NOT a Sin?
Is that how you justify Trump?
#48 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-28 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
BullJohnson is who Trump was referring to when he said he could murder someone and not lose a vote.
#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-28 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
I don't think we're voting for the next Saint of America.
And no one I know refers to Trump as immaculate.
You're beating a dead horse with this routine.
#50 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 01:46 PM | Reply
When you are older someone will explain it to you.
#51 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 01:48 PM | Reply
its not a dead horse if a supposed "Christian" like yourself is voting for the antichrist.
#52 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"I don't think we're voting for the next Saint of America."
Right.
You are just ok with voting for a twice impeached criminally negligent narcissistic Convicted Felon.
Apparently.
#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-28 01:53 PM | Reply
In the bible, the Devil is the Father of Lies.
As such, Trump must be his Favorite Son.
Literally or figuratively.
#54 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-28 01:54 PM | Reply
Trump is wrathful, envious, gluttonous, lustful, prideful, greedy and a fat lazy POS.
The literal representation of the seven deadly sins.
No wonder fake Christians, like BillJohnson, are so eager to vote for him.
#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-28 01:54 PM | Reply
Alex,
Believe your nonsense I don't care.
#56 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 01:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 2
You're amazingly stubborn and willfully thick, Bill. Jeff J is in awe.
Do you like voting for a rapist, bill?
#57 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 01:57 PM | Reply
#46 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
Eat your own religious vomit.
We would not care either.
If you kept it to yourself.
#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-28 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#38 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
Or as I like to say, "How does that glorify the Lord"?
#59 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-28 02:01 PM | Reply
I don't see how anyone, whether they call themselves a Christian or not, could in good concience vote for a proven serial liar who tried to overturn an election he lost by criminal means, according to the sworn testimony of his own people.
#60 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-28 02:04 PM | Reply
I'll ask again:
Do you like voting for a rapist, bill johnson?
#61 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 02:12 PM | Reply
You know what is funny? There is no commandment against coveting your neighbor's husband
Women getting a free pass?
#62 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-28 02:12 PM | Reply
Jewish women couldn't even sue for divorce. They had no standing in Court at all.
10 Cs is general guideline, but the Law of Moses had at least 300 plus separate laws. One can count 612 if you count positive and negative commands.
The purpose of the Law, however, was to teach Israel that they were imperfect as humans, and could not possibly follow the Law.
Which is why they always expected a Messiah who would fulfill the Law and provide Grace instead.
#63 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-28 02:22 PM | Reply
"BillJohnson is here to defend adultery?"
Folks will always defend their own behavior.
Notice how Trump wanted all kinds of files released to the public...just not the Epstein ones, because there's a lot of fake stuff in there.
#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 02:22 PM | Reply
POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-06-28 02:12 PM | REPLY
Women were property in Biblical times. You can't own a Man but you sure could own a woman.
#65 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-06-28 02:22 PM | Reply
"There is no commandment against coveting your neighbor's husband. Women getting a free pass?"
Women, and gay men.
#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 02:23 PM | Reply
You can't own a Man but you sure could own a woman.
POSTED BY LAURAMOHR
Pretty sure they had slaves in biblical times.
The Hebrew Bible condones slavery.
#67 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-28 02:26 PM | Reply
#65 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR
Yet people cannot see how evil the cannibals beliefs are.
#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-28 02:28 PM | Reply
Poor BillJohnson. Getting skewered deeper than Stormy Daniels by his cult leader. Clue phone here BillJohnson. Trump's no Christian. I hope that you know that.
#69 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-06-28 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"Trump's no Christian."
I've challenged Trump voters to name TWO COMMANDMENTS Trump follows.
No answer yet.
#70 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Donner,
"If you kept it to yourself."
I'm rarely the one who introduces religion into a conversation.
#71 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 02:39 PM | Reply
- the cannibals
Metaphors are difficult for some.
"It's a beautiful metaphor of Christ's broken body and the disciples. "Taking it into themselves; they are being sustained by his sacrifice," said Dr. Hiles."
www.gcu.edu's%20supper%20signifies%20the,Hiles.
#72 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-28 02:40 PM | Reply
Metaphor for some, for other's it literally becomes the blood and bones of Christ; Transubstantiation. Go figure.
#73 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-28 02:54 PM | Reply
You'd sloughed it off when someone suggested Trump was the AntiChrist. Violating 9 (at least) out of 10 Commandments comes about as close as it gets.
"You're beating a dead horse with this routine."
A simple, "No, I can't find two Commandments he follows" would seem to be apropos.
#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 02:59 PM | Reply
"Transubstantiation"
Personally, I prefer Transmogrification.
#75 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 03:01 PM | Reply
I'm pretty sure Trump hasn't personally killed anyone.
Mostly because he is lazy.
#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 03:02 PM | Reply
#75 - definitely more entertaining :)
#77 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-28 03:04 PM | Reply
Trump hasn't personally killed anyone.
Citation necessary.
#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-28 03:05 PM | Reply
#79 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-28 03:05 PM | Reply
Conservatives once achieved this. They ended up with the social gospel moment.
#80 | Posted by Tor at 2024-06-28 03:05 PM | Reply
The guy is the personification of sloth. I would think he lacks the stamina or will to kill.
#81 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 03:06 PM | Reply
- the cannibals Metaphors are difficult for some. "It's a beautiful metaphor of Christ's broken body and the disciples. "Taking it into themselves; they are being sustained by his sacrifice," said Dr. Hiles." www.gcu.edu's%20supper%20signifies%20the,Hiles. #72 | POSTED BY CORKY
You think stating it is a metaphor is some sort of winning argument?
The very basis of christianity is that jesus was a sacrificial lamb and you commune with god by eating him. That is cannibalism. that is cannibalism as a way to feel close to god. That process somehow washes you clean. You are eating the metaphorical body and drinking the metaphorical blood of a human (that is also a god). Catholics take it a step further arguing the hosts and wine become literal flesh and blood. I am sorry but that is cannibalism. I understand that that is not a concept that people are comfortable with. I find most religious people don't have a basic understanding of what they believe. I get it that people can't conceive how bizarre and troubling their own belief systems are.
Sacrificing animals is a pagan belief. Christianity is an outgrowth of pagan beliefs. Christianity grew out of cultures that previously sacrificed humans.
So, yeah, christianity is cannibalism at it's core. And I find it vile not beautiful.
#82 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-28 03:13 PM | Reply
What qualified you to determine if someone is the anti-Christ?
Who knew such a person is right on this site?
#83 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 03:13 PM | Reply
Citation necessary. The guy is the personification of sloth. I would think he lacks the stamina or will to kill.
#81 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE
I don't know, I can definitely see a dead hooker in his past. One who laughed as his manhood is a likely victim.
#84 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-28 03:14 PM | Reply
God sure wasted a lot of time writing about the warnings on the anti-christ, then. You really don't hear yourself, do you, Bill.
#85 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-28 03:17 PM | Reply
This is why your fairy-tale should be kept OUT of our schools. It only breeds idiocy and compliance, with "faith" in the unseen paving the road for subservience to authoritarians.
#86 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-28 03:19 PM | Reply
Catholics take a lot of things too far, lol.
As do some parts of many secular schools of thought.
#87 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-28 03:21 PM | Reply
Another -------- red state blatantly violating the Constitution. And the rightwingers who claim to venerate the document are nowhere to be found.
#88 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-28 03:23 PM | Reply
Anyone that indoctrinates their children into an organized religion is guilty of child abuse
#89 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-28 03:24 PM | Reply
- to determine if someone is the anti-Christ?
As Yav notes, there are plenty if explicit descriptions in the writings.
Trump, whether he's the antichrist or just his dumber cousin, happens to fit them quite well.
www.youtube.com
He is at least the epitome of the, "Man of Sin".
#90 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-28 03:27 PM | Reply
First three commandments sure sound like descriptions of the immoral things trump and his cult are doing.
#91 | Posted by Tor at 2024-06-28 03:47 PM | Reply
"First three commandments sure sound like descriptions of the immoral things trump and his cult are doing."
The Back 5, Trump is TOTALLY zero for five.
Adultery Lying Stealing Coveting Wives not yours Coveting Goods not yours
Oops.
#92 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 04:00 PM | Reply
You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make idols. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
1) Trump sure things of himself before God and many of his followers actions reflect the same.
2) Again their actions seem to be that of idolaters. Just look at all the merchandise he sells.
3) Trump brags about people seeing him as the chosen on and the messiah and his followers are now jokingly calling him things like God Emperor.
Thing is they're not just joking they're normalizing this kind of thinking.
Anyone want to add onto this with more evidence or insight?
#93 | Posted by Tor at 2024-06-28 04:10 PM | Reply
When you are older someone will explain it to you. #51 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
That's how you'd (not) explain it to a child. That's how children learn they can't trust people like you.
#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-28 04:21 PM | Reply
"Trump is TOTALLY zero for five".
He's going to be the next president.
#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-06-28 04:33 PM | Reply
#95 | Posted by BillJohnson
You're insulting your country and yourself.
#96 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-06-28 04:50 PM | Reply
He's going to be the next president. #95 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
It's funny that you support someone so obviously anti-religious over someone who is obviously religious.
#97 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-28 04:53 PM | Reply
Bill Johnson is going to vote for atheist trump over catholic biden.
Because Trump hates gay people.
#98 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-28 05:20 PM | Reply
He's going to be the next president. #95 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-06-28 04:33 PM | REPL
You don't know that to be true yet. Besides if you really cared about the Constitution you would demand that he not even be allowed to run for the Presidency. 14th Amendment section 3 baby. Disqualifies him.
#99 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-06-28 05:21 PM | Reply
Christian Sharia law comes to Oklahoma. Sad.
#100 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-06-28 06:13 PM | Reply
" He's going to be the next president."
Isn't that how the AntiChrist rises in the Bible?
#101 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 07:08 PM | Reply
I think this law gives us time to contemplate that:
1) 3 of those commandments are about a narcissistic god demanding worship.
2) One of the commandments pretty much makes the case that there are multiple gods out there.
3) And there are zero commandments condemning rape or slavery.
#102 | Posted by prius04 at 2024-06-28 10:44 PM | Reply
"there are zero commandments condemning rape or slavery."
Originalism!
#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-28 10:47 PM | Reply
I'm rarely the one who introduces religion into a conversation. #71 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
Nothing wrong with you or me talking about it especially on a thread that's all about if. Thats not the point. We are not powerful legislators or judges making or interpreting the law. It's when elected leaders try to force their religious beliefs onto others by inserting it into the law or interpreting the law thru the lense of the Bible (or thru any religious dogma) that the problems begin.
As an individual what you speak about is of no concern one way or the other as you are just another sheep to be shorn.
There are other more powerful Johnson's out there that I would be more concerned about wearing their religion on their sleeve while in public office and using it to interpret the law with.
#104 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-29 11:32 AM | Reply
"Bill Johnson is going to vote for atheist trump over catholic biden "
Yep
#105 | Posted by Tor at 2024-06-29 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
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