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-- Andrew Weinstein (@andrewjweinstein.com) January 30, 2025 at 12:43 PM

Breaking News: Staffing at Reagan National Airport's control tower was "not normal" during the deadly plane crash in Washington, an internal FAA report said.

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-- The New York Times (@nytimes.com) January 30, 2025 at 3:09 PM

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Wondering for a friend if this has anything to do with Trump's dictate on cutting Federal staffing.

#1 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-01-30 05:44 PM | Reply

Americans must want this. Since that's what they voted for.

Jill Stein 2028!

#2 | Posted by censored at 2025-01-30 06:31 PM | Reply

January 20: FAA director fired
January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Trump: "Obama's fault!"

Trumpers: "Yea!"

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-30 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

They had one person doing two people's jobs.... BUT the Controller did his job in this case, informing the copter that the plane was above him, and got confirmation back that they saw the plane.

Whatever happened was going on inside the copter.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 07:20 PM | Reply

"They had one person doing two people's jobs...."

If true ... This is a worst case scenario of what happens when you eliminate a slot without studying what the effects of not having that person doing that job. And puts a spotlight on the criminal incompetence of this regime. So naturally they have to blame the Dems somehow.

You would think that they would learn from this but no they are gonna try and blame the Dems. I can already see where they are going with it. Right into the sewers.

It was refreshing to hear the NTSB professionals talk.

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-30 07:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

www.huffpost.com

President Donald Trump on Thursday gave a dismissive response when asked if he would visit the Washington-area location where a passenger plane and an Army helicopter collided, killing 67 people.

"I have a plan to visit, not the site because " you tell me, what's the site? The water?" Trump told reporters at the White House. "You want me to go swimming?"

Impeach this POS already...

#6 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-30 07:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It was refreshing to hear the NTSB professionals talk.

Have they been fired yet?

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 07:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Any right wing ding on this site want to defend this callous bastard?

Now's your chance.

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-30 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Traitor In Chief Trashing Our Country Tictoc for short.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 07:40 PM | Reply

Read up on Obama's amnesty program he instituted for air traffic controllers to get a more enlightened perspective.

Just read it.

#10 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 07:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bill- Obama did something is not a Trump defense.

You voted for a cruel ugly evil man child. I dare you to defend him making jokes about 67 dead people.

"You want me to go swimming?"

Defend this. I don't think you can.

#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-30 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Read me your golden trump bible, bill.

Try Matthew 7:15-20.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-30 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It pretty well provides Trump with a reason to suspect dei initiatives may be part of the problem.

Whether or not this crash applies, most certainly common sense should tell you eliminating mandatory retraining after 2 close incidents as Obama did was not wise.

Obama considered it punishment rather than retraining and so he created the amnesty program.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 07:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I didn't think you had it in you.

You're honestly not bright enough to articulate why you like evil people like Trump.

#14 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-30 07:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alex,

Bible thumper.

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 07:55 PM | Reply

Read up on Obama's amnesty program he instituted for air traffic controllers to get a more enlightened perspective.

Just read it.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 07:42 PM | Reply

Trump owns this you dishonest hack job. Deal with it BillJohnson

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bill-

Coward. Moral Pygmy.

#17 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-30 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bill didn't even try to defend trump joking about the plane crash.

Any righties want to step up? Any of his voters? You're cowards, all of you.

#18 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-30 07:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You're honestly not bright enough to articulate why you like evil people like Trump.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-30 07:52 PM | Reply

Because Trump gives him cart blanche to spread his hate without remorse. Trump validates his hatred for others not like himself.

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 07:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Biden-era FAA website, now scrubbed, said, "The FAA's mission involves securing the skies of a diverse nation. It only makes sense that the workforce responsible for that mission reflects the nation."

In 2022, the FAA pledged to "diversify its workforce by rethinking its hiring practices," and administration officials assigned long-term goals to amplify diversity, accessibility and LGBTQ issues.

A 2022 performance target required that the agency "host a national symposium with internal and external stakeholders to socialize efforts on the use of gender-neutral language at FAA."

The FAA declared 2023 a "Year of Inclusion" and held a three-day symposium that trained FAA employees to understand the impact of diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility and to overcome and unmask "unconscious bias."

The FAA's focus on diversity began under the Obama administration. In 2013, the FAA started using a "biographical assessment" to increase the hiring of preferred minority racial groups at air traffic control centers. The assessment asked applicants about their participation in school sports and the age at which they started earning money.

Yeah, because air traffic controllers need to be 'diverse' not competent...

#20 | Posted by Javelin at 2025-01-30 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Staffing Was Not Normal in the Air Traffic Control Tower

The------------- built that.

#21 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, because air traffic controllers need to be 'diverse' not competent...

Believe it or not, it's possible to be both.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

NPR's aviation expert:

www.youtube.com

which is the source for #4, but covers much more, like the 200 ft that the plane was above the copter path, which is SOP... and how the copter path should be moved.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 08:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know when I was growing up and the times after. I always wondered how Jim Jones could talk so many into believing in him without question. NOW I know. The MAGA Trumper cult explains why beautifully.

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 08:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Redial,

"Believe it or not, it's possible to be both."

Actually not.

For example when you render video you have to decide.

Reduced file size or faster rendering.

Or the ever present choices we make concerning quality vs quantity.

Common sense should tell you that forced quotas will eliminate sometimes better qualified candidates.

But you have to have common sense.

Btw...didn't we learn globalization at the expense of our own national needs doesn't work like you thought it would?

Probably not...it needs common sense.

#25 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 08:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Actually not.

For example when you render video you have to decide.

Reduced file size or faster rendering.

Or the ever present choices we make concerning quality vs quantity.

Common sense should tell you that forced quotas will eliminate sometimes better qualified candidates.

But you have to have common sense.

Btw...didn't we learn globalization at the expense of our own national needs doesn't work like you thought it would?

Probably not...it needs common sense.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 08:53 PM | Reply

ROFLMMFAO HAHAHAHAHA. You're sure laying it on thick tonight BillJohnson. You ignorant buffoon. BTW I see you have stopped talking about mail-in ballots and mail-in voting. Surprise surprise.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Common sense should tell you that forced quotas will eliminate sometimes better qualified candidates.

DEI is not "forced quotas".

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- didn't we learn globalization

You support the first billionaire globalist Pres ever, who has been hired for 300 million by the richest globalist in the world to help build his global Nazi 4th Reich.

WTF are you talking about??

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

BillJohnson drinking the cyanide laced grape flavored FlavorAid. Boy my stomach hurts so much. Common sense tells me that it should feel good. Maybe if I drink some more it will help. After all that's what Trump said to do and I believe in him.

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Redial,

While DEI initiatives do not legally mandate quotas, in practice they often function as de facto quotas.

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 09:12 PM | Reply

It has been reported that just a few hours earlier there was another helicopter and plane near miss.

#31 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 09:14 PM | Reply

BUT I will say Bill that having a video made about you is pretty cool!:

www.youtube.com

The actor got you perfectly, too.

It's also a thread

drudge.com

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 09:16 PM | Reply

Laura,

"BTW I see you have stopped talking about mail-in ballots and mail-in voting. Surprise surprise."

This election voting wasn't as loosey goosey as 2020.

States understood the risks and some made improvements.

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 09:19 PM | Reply

While DEI initiatives do not legally mandate quotas, in practice they often function as de facto quotas.

So is it your opinion that the most qualified candidate for any position is always the straight white man? That's what "DEI" is... the subset of humanity that are not straight, white men.

#34 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This election voting wasn't as loosey goosey as 2020.

States understood the risks and some made improvements.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 09:19 PM | Reply

What a fraudster you are. You didn't give a crap about mail-in voting. You just used it to whine about Trump's loss and to excuse Trump's insurrection. Now that he won. You don't care. What a hack job you are BillJohnson.

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The flight was from Kansas, so chances are some of them really did get what they voted for. Trump is hurting the right people.

#36 | Posted by censored at 2025-01-30 09:23 PM | Reply

Corky,

I said before I am selective what sort of negativity I watch.

The first one was mocking Jesus. What makes you think I would like that?

I didn't watch the 2nd one.

You spend your day watching stuff like that?

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 09:23 PM | Reply

I said before I am selective what sort of negativity I watch.

The first one was mocking Jesus. What makes you think I would like that?

I didn't watch the 2nd one.

You spend your day watching stuff like that?

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 09:23 PM | Reply

The video was mocking people like you BillJohnson. You voted for a guy who is the antithesis of what Jesus Christ was all about. That's why you don't like it. Own it.

#38 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You'll never see anything, BJ, with your eyes closed.

Which is dangerous when you are running away so hard from posts like #28.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 09:26 PM | Reply

S*** for brains,

"What a fraudster you are. You didn't give a crap about mail-in voting. You just used it to whine about Trump's loss and to excuse Trump's insurrection"

A month before the election in 2020 I was voicing my concerns about the potential for voting irregularities.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 09:26 PM | Reply

re: #35

They use the "voter fraud" argument so they can disenfranchise minority voters who overwhelmingly vote Democrat; who knows how many contests Rs have won via this dispicable method

#41 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-01-30 09:27 PM | Reply

BJ prefers Voter Suppression to fair elections.

drudge.com

And Trump spent a lot of time and money promoting the mail-in ballot, lol.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 09:35 PM | Reply

hartmannreport.com

should be the link in 42

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 09:36 PM | Reply

Redial,

"So is it your opinion that the most qualified candidate for any position is always the straight white man? That's what "DEI" is... the subset of humanity that are not straight, white men."

No.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 09:36 PM | Reply

No.

Well back in #25 you pretty much said that.

#45 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 09:40 PM | Reply

AND of course there's NO evidence that DEI had anything to do with the crash.

Trump is just lucky that his supporters don't need any evidence.

Trump's Secret Agenda

www.youtube.com

3 min

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 09:43 PM | Reply

MAGA vermin have something to celebrate.

www.kwch.com

#47 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-30 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pilot behind Miracle on the Hudson' 2009 landing reacts to crash
CNN reports that in response to President Donald Trump blaming the crash on diversity initiatives in the government, Former US Airways Capt. Chelsey Sullenberger, the pilot behind the Miracle on the Hudson' 2009 landing said:

"An airplane cannot know or care who the pilot is " what their skin tone is, what gender they are. All it can know is what control inputs are made, and everyone depends upon them being the most skillful and appropriate ones."

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 10:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This election voting wasn't as loosey goosey as 2020.

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson

Sez who? By whose terms?

#49 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-01-30 10:41 PM | Reply

It pretty well provides Trump with a reason to suspect dei initiatives may be part of the problem.

DEI is not the problem. At all. That's ridiculous.
Do you know how many ATCs are white?
How many pilots are White?
Do you know that the website Trump scrubbed removing all the "DEI" wording was the same under Trump's first term?
Did you?
Do you know that the ability to do the job is and always has been first and foremost?
Do you know what it takes to become an ATC?

Do you know why the head of the FAA is gone?
Because Musk's rockets blew up and rained shht all over flights going over the Indian Ocean, so he got a "no fly" order until safety could be reasonably guaranteed. That made Musk furious and demanded the his head.

Do you know what Musk said of all the debris falling from his blown up space craft that was wreaking havoc on flights?
"Entertaining" I think was the word.

Only the best - just look at who he's putting on his cabinet, or the head of the FBI (Geezus kriest!), or the DNI, or HHS.
I am stunned at how spectacularly horrible and wretched Trump and the GOP are doing so far.

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-30 10:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Gulf of Mexico, not the Indian Ocean*

#51 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-30 10:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

not the Indian Ocean

I hear the Indian Ocean has been renamed Great Sea of Pakistan.

#52 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-30 11:01 PM | Reply

The Trump Canal in Panama says hello!

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 11:10 PM | Reply

The Trump Canal in Panama says hello!

Posted by Corky at 2025-01-30 11:10 PM | Reply

That's where MAGA Trumpers go to gorge themselves. Just sayin

#54 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-30 11:16 PM | Reply

A month before the election in 2020 I was voicing my concerns about the potential for voting irregularities.
#40 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

A whole month?

Trump was making baseless accusations about the election being stolen as early as 2019 and throughout 2020. With other republicans joining him in making the baseless accusation in the spring of 2020.

You're a pawn.

Pathetic.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-31 01:12 AM | Reply

"A month before the election in 2020 I was voicing my concerns about the potential for voting irregularities."

And four years after the election, still not a single example of irregularities submitted in a court of law. And ZERO people coming forward with your theory, despite the fact THOUSANDS would've had to been affected to make any difference.

Beliefs without any proof after four years have a name: wishes.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-01-31 01:55 AM | Reply

Do you know that the website Trump scrubbed removing all the "DEI" wording was the same under Trump's first term?

To be clear for all our MAGAs: This DEI policy Trump was ranting on and on about was enacted in 2019, under Trump.

It continues to have nothing to do with this crash.

#57 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-31 07:31 AM | Reply

Therapist to MAGAt: Is DEI in the room with us now?

#58 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-01-31 07:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Clown,

Unlike you...I am not part of groupthink like how liberals function.

Liberals assume everyone functions like they do.

Don't dare think out of the box or else you'll be ostrasized.

I don't rely on others to tell me what to think.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-31 08:27 AM | Reply

Yav,

You're getting facts mixed up.

This amnesty program was under Obama.

#60 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-31 08:31 AM | Reply

.I am not part of groupthink like how liberals function.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson

I never realized before now what a funny man you are.

#61 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-31 08:45 AM | Reply

It continues to have nothing to do with this crash.

#57 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-31 07:31 AM | Reply

Bill still refuses to defend Trump callously cracking jokes about the plane crash.

Because he knows there is no defense for that behavior. He voted for a vile POS and he'd have to admit he was wrong then change himself.

bill can't do that.

#62 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-31 08:49 AM | Reply

I am not part of groupthink like how liberals function.

Trump caused a tragedy and you bring up Obama who was president 9 years ago.

You absolutely groupthink.

#63 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-31 08:50 AM | Reply

Bill still refuses to defend Trump callously cracking jokes about the plane crash.

#62 | Posted by Alexandrite a

Because the plane crash didn't happen to him or any blood kin.

This is MAGA culture.

And, besides....He thinks Donald is very funny.

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-31 08:51 AM | Reply

Alex,

Cracking jokes? I didn't hear them but then again I'm not obsessed with Trump.

I'm not talking about Trump. I was referring to some changes made under Obama that give the appearance of dei and would justify why Trump indicated as such.

I didn't catch the rest of his act and frankly I'm not interested.

#65 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-31 08:56 AM | Reply

Donald's nasty nationwide performance yesterday was just what he does when he has to take the merest degree of personal responsibility for something bad that happened.

Those people hurt him because they died under his watch.

Just wait until he is unequivocably nailed on some disaster much more cosmic.

The knives will come out then. There will be censorship of the facts. He'll look for people to hurt.

But as long as BILL or his blood kin aren't hurt, he'll be OK with that.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-31 08:56 AM | Reply

I'm not obsessed with Trump.

#65 | Posted by BillJohnson

You follow him.

I didn't realize until what a funny man you are.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-31 08:57 AM | Reply

I'm taking a flight on American Airlines this weekend.

Hope they watch out for helicopters.

Oops. Was that a joke and poor dems might be offended?

#68 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-31 08:59 AM | Reply

Cracking jokes? I didn't hear them but then again I'm not obsessed with Trump.

Liar. Not only did I post it here directly challenging you to defend it (which you didn't) but you ARE obsessed with Trump...you bought a bible from the guy!

#69 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-31 09:00 AM | Reply

Your entire act is thin, bill.

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-31 09:01 AM | Reply

Trump caused a tragedy...?

Even Corky sees what happened here...

"They had one person doing two people's jobs.... BUT the Controller did his job in this case, informing the copter that the plane was above him, and got confirmation back that they saw the plane.

Whatever happened was going on inside the copter."

#71 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-01-31 09:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hope they watch out for helicopters.

It would be a real shame if the self-loathing butt ---- died in a plane crash caused by the-------------------.

#72 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-31 09:03 AM | Reply

Trump gutted aviation safety. The timeline has been posted here.

Then he blamed the guy who was president 9 years ago.

It's ------- pathetic.

#73 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-31 09:04 AM | Reply

January 20: FAA director fired
January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Trump: "Obama's fault!"

Trumpers: "Yea!"

Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-30 06:54 PM | Reply |

#74 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-31 09:05 AM | Reply

FAA director was kicked to the curb because he pissed off Elon Musk.

#75 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-31 09:06 AM | Reply

Whatever happened was going on inside the copter.

The traffic procedures for that airport don't leave much room for error. Helicopters flying under aircraft that are just about to land? At night?

I see lots of commentary on this accident being inevitable.

#76 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-31 09:25 AM | Reply

I watched Trump slsndering the air traffic control people and claing his administration would bring in much more qualified and intelligent people but I was thinking as I watched him lie; we've seen the quality of professiionals he will bring in by watching the cabinet choices he has made and sorry but most of them couldn't find a management position anywhere in the private sector. But then neither could Trump himself. How long can he fool his stupid supporters by blaming previou administrations for everything that goes wrong? Right now his lunatic base will believe any lie he tells them but that won't last very long. I think it was Harry Truman who kept a sign on his desk that said "The buck stops here!" Trump will have one that says "Don't lblame me, it's Obama's or Biden's fault!"

#77 | Posted by danni at 2025-01-31 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Whatever happened was going on inside the copter"?

Didn't Donald explain that to you?

There was a black person in that copter; or someone with "extreme intellectual disabilities".

#78 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-31 09:32 AM | Reply

Even Corky sees what happened here...

#71 | Posted by kwrx25

We all see what happened here.

Donald's first crisis in his new term and he ran screaming from the room.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-31 09:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm taking a flight on American Airlines this weekend.

Hope they watch out for helicopters.

Oops. Was that a joke and poor dems might be offended?

#68 | Posted by BillJohnson

No, Bill.

What would be funny is that if you died and Donald treated you the way he did those American skaters.

#80 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-31 09:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Doanl reacted to this air tragedy like a man who was pissed off that he was pulled away from eating his cheeseburger.

This is how he behaves in the face of a fairly minor crisis.

Come a big one, he's going to fold completely.

As we saw him do first term.

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-31 09:38 AM | Reply

You're getting facts mixed up.

This amnesty program was under Obama.

I'm not talking about Trump. I was referring to some changes made under Obama that give the appearance of dei and would justify why Trump indicated as such.

You are confused and wrong. I suggest you get the facts before attempting to correct me. You are trumpeting Trump's lies with your misinformed nonsense, Bill:

(T)he Wayback Machine retains links from June 2017 and January 2021 that show the FAA page was unchanged during Trump's tenure. The list included:
Hearing (total deafness in both ears)
Vision (Blind)
Missing Extremities
Partial Paralysis
Complete Paralysis, Epilepsy
Severe intellectual disability
Psychiatric disability
Dwarfism

The June 2019 webpage for the Aviation Development Program (ADP) " also now removed but still visible on the Wayback Machine " said the program "provides an opportunity for Persons with Targeted Disabilities (PWTD) to gain aviation knowledge and experience as an air traffic control student trainee." Participants would get up to one year of experience in an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), with a possibility of getting a temporary appointment at the FAA Academy.

In August 2021, the FAA announced that one of the first three ADP candidates graduated from the FAA Academy and became an official air traffic control trainee. "Twelve candidates are in the pipeline for the ADP, pending completion of the clearance process," the agency said. "Candidates must first pass the Air Traffic Skills Assessment (ATSA), followed by the security and medical clearance process."


www.washingtonpost.com

All the things that Trump now says are so horrible - and have nothing to do with how well someone can perform the job, nor their intelligence, nor their mental capacity. Trump is a bigot and a disgusting POS for saying what he said. And so are you for repeating and believing his lies.

#82 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-31 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Actually not.
This is stunningly stupid, Bill. Seriously. Stunning.

#83 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-31 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did BJ seriously buy a Trump Bible?!!!

#84 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-01-31 10:38 AM | Reply

Did BJ seriously buy a Trump Bible?!!!

Posted by hamburglar at 2025-01-31 10:38 AM |

Yesssss he did.

#85 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-31 10:39 AM | Reply

Also, since people want to focus on the "staffing wasn't normal"

Staffing for ATC at this airport hasn't been at normal levels for years. So please connect that to Trump for me.

#86 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-01-31 11:09 AM | Reply

Staffing in most control rooms hasn't been normal since COVID... but this wasn't a staffing issue as the copter was informed about the plane and confirmed siteing it.

SO... it also was not a DEI issue as your orange traitor friend claimed.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-31 11:19 AM | Reply

sighting it

#88 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-31 11:19 AM | Reply

"I was referring to some changes made under Obama that give the appearance of dei"

So...basically, Trump admitted it was like this under his entire administration...but Trump never bothered to address it.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-01-31 11:30 AM | Reply


Staffing in most control rooms hasn't been normal since COVID... but this wasn't a staffing issue as the copter was informed about the plane and confirmed siteing it.

It sort of was, because usually there is a HELO controller, and he would have had more time to focus on the situation. But they were short staffed.
I realize you aren't a pilot, but if you were you'd know typically ATC would give you guidance in finding the traffic of concern. He should have said "CRJ at your 10 oclock at 400ft". Instead I and many others suspect the helo pilot "assumed" it was the AA plane landing on RWY1.

This type of call was not given in this situation, probably due to over load of the position.

It appears under Obama they went to an "off the streets" hiring mode, opening the doors to "unqualified" applicants, and ignoring qualified applicants that trained specifically to become controllers. This is currently in the courts.

The shortage is due to COVID and the hiring practices.

FLASHBACK: FAA turned away qualified air traffic controllers based solely on race
www.washingtontimes.com

Its with great irony people here claim white supremacy, then claim they didn't ignore hiring whites because of their race.

CorkyTheBigot being the biggest bigot I have seen on this site.

#90 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-31 11:38 AM | Reply


January 20: FAA director fired
January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Trump: "Obama's fault!"
Trumpers: "Yea!"
Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-30 06:54 PM | Reply |
#74 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Yeah, the FAA director would have been in the tower, and any new hires would have been immediately put in the DC tower.

Do you hear yourself? Do you even think?

Everyone knows under Obama the criteria changed, and COVID then decimated the ATC numbers, which given the candidates didn't cut the mustard.

Why ignore thousands of qualified applicants?

#91 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-31 11:41 AM | Reply


All the things that Trump now says are so horrible - and have nothing to do with how well someone can perform the job, nor their intelligence, nor their mental capacity.

My guess is Trump didn't realize how stupid DEI was. People learn and adapt, Lumpers like yourself don't.

The country would do well to get rid of DEI practices.

#92 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-31 11:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

It pretty well provides Trump with a reason to suspect dei initiatives may be part of the problem.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-01-30 07:50 PM | Reply

You mean the 2017 initiative "Diversity takes flight"?

Tell me again who was president in 2017.

#93 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-01-31 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Tell me again who was president in 2017."

Are you kidding?!? BillJohnson won't take responsibility. He's a member of The Party of (Always Someone Else's) Responsibility.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-01-31 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Trump is a bigot and a disgusting POS for saying what he said. And so are you for repeating and believing his lies."

well, if every time Trump opens his mouth your feelings are going to be hurt...that's on you. Not anyone else.

and you just said anybody who believes Trump when he lies is a POS?

I'm guessing you want to walk that one back.

YOU believe his lies from time to time. Everyone does it seems.

I get called a POS for NOT believing his lies even.

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-31 12:13 PM | Reply

"The country would do well to get rid of DEI practices."

Question: Who benefits most from DEI practices?

Answer: White women have benefitted the most from DEI programs. While women remain underrepresented "at every stage of the corporate pipeline," a McKinsey study estimated it would take 48 years for women of color to achieve gender parity, while only 22 years for White women to reach this milestone.
allyfromnola.medium.com

#96 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-01-31 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#20 | Posted by Javelin

Clowns like you don't realize what benefits diversity brings to organizations. Most organizations realize major benefits when they diversify their workforce. People need to be trained on working with people different from themselves. Once upon a time, I didn't get it either. However, having seen it in action for decades and how it has positive impacts folks like you need an education. Eventually your organization won't be 90% white men.

#97 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-01-31 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They had one person doing two people's jobs...."

You idiots want government run like corporate America.

There is nothing that screams that more than this.

ATC is understaffed due burnout from 10 hour workdays six days a week worked due to be understaffed. Look back to when Raygun fired them for demanding better pay as the cause of this.

You toddlers break the system then scream and cry that the system is broken.

"Biden-Harris Administration Announces $20 Million in Bipartisan Infrastructure Law Funding to Modernize Airport Owned Air Traffic Control Towers"

The same infrastructure law that Felon47 blocked funding.

#98 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-01-31 12:21 PM | Reply

@#93 ... You mean the 2017 initiative "Diversity takes flight"? ...

Also...

Fact check: Trump's FAA used the same language about hiring people with disabilities he's now blasting
www.cnn.com

... Also during Trump's first term, in 2019, the FAA announced "a pilot program to help prepare people with disabilities for careers in air traffic operations," saying that "a key focus for the FAA's Office of Civil Rights is to identify specific opportunities for people with targeted disabilities, empower them and facilitate their entry into a more diverse and inclusive workforce."

The FAA continued to promote the pilot program in the latter half of 2020, near the end of Trump's first term. ...




#99 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-31 12:29 PM | Reply


Fact check: Trump's FAA used the same language about hiring people with disabilities he's now blasting
www.cnn.com

So what, the FAA is in the middle DEI no one knew how bad DEI was to the country. All this proves is DEI was a disaster.

Its hiring process has been underfire since 2014.

In 2012 and 2013, the NBCFAE continued pushing this process, with members meeting with the DOT, FAA, Congressional Black Caucus, and others to push diversity among ATCs. By July 2013, the FAA created a "Barrier Analysis Implemention Team" (BAIT, and I swear I am not making this acronym up). Around this time, the FAA decided to pause the hiring of CTI graduates pending the implementation of the biographical assessment. Neither the schools that ran the CTI programs nor their students were informed of this when the decision was initially made. A number of students, including the class representative, passed the AT-SAT (in the case of the class representative, with a perfect score), not knowing they would never get to use it.

In 2014, the FAA rolled out the new biographical questionnaire in line with the Barrier Analysis recommendation, designed so that 90% or more of applicants would "fail." The questionnaire was not monitored, and people could take it at home. Questions asked prospective air traffic controllers how many sports they played in high school, how long they'd been unemployed recently, whether they were more eager or considerate, and seventy-some other questions. You can take a replica of it yourself at Kai's Soapbox to see what they were up against. Graduates of the CTI program, like everyone else, had to "pass" this or they would be disqualified from further consideration. This came alongside other changes de-prioritizing CTI graduates.
www.tracingwoodgrains.com

#100 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-31 12:36 PM | Reply

oneironut- take your dunce cap off
and read this:

www.washingtonpost.com

#101 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-31 12:39 PM | Reply

All this proves is DEI was a disaster.

True. Only straight white men should have jobs.

#102 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-31 12:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" DEI is not "forced quotas".

#27 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2025-01-30 08:59 PM | FLAG: "

Maybe not in theory but absolutely in practice.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-31 12:43 PM | Reply

Everyone knows under Obama the criteria changed, and COVID then decimated the ATC numbers, which given the candidates didn't cut the mustard.

Why ignore thousands of qualified applicants?

#91 | Posted by oneironaut

That's a lie.

Even the lawsuit doesn't say that.

The lawsuit admits the hired people were competent and passed all tests. They just demand it be based entirely on the test and be blind to racial background. That's literally it. They don't claim the shortage is because of it. The lawsuits doesn't even claim more people would be hired.

FACTS:

The FAA has a bottleneck for training. They can't hire more because they can't put them through training. Training takes 18-24 months.

COVID and GOP government shutdowns also caused an issue because training had to be stopped. In a program that takes 2-3 years of training before applying and 18-24 months of onboarding training, that's an huge issue.

Better yet, Republicans block FAA funding increases. So there aren't resources to hire everyone they want. It is cheaper for the FAA to not hire and just give overtime to existing air traffic controllers.

Finally Reagan cut pay huge, put in a retirement age cap, and put in medical leave requirements. So a lot of air traffic controllers have left because they aged out, moved to better paying jobs, or can't transfer to cities they want to be in. The hiring can't make up for it when a lot of people leave at once.

We have NEVER recovered from Reagan firing all the air traffic controllers on strike.

We hired more air traffic controllers in 2024 than any year in the past decade. INCLUDING under Trump.

You are a liar and a racist. Society would be better off if you never left your hole in the ground.

#104 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-01-31 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Pretty well guaranteed that when Lewzer fires Kristi Noem, Tulsi Gabbard and Pam Bondi they will all be replaced by straight white men.

#105 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-31 12:51 PM | Reply

-All this proves is DEI was a disaster.

It's been a PR struggle for companies who chose to move forward with a program. Their decision to eliminate it is proof of that.

diversity is good. Pete said it well in #97.

I manage 9 commercial insurance producers.

1 is a woman.....guess who's the best producer? Every 1 of her clients are men.

Yes, she's attractive but very assertive and smart as hell. Also works hard.

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-31 12:54 PM | Reply

1Nut is so afraid that someone is going to take his only remaining Family Jewel away from him.

I just hope no one ever tells him it's zirconian!

#107 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-31 01:05 PM | Reply

1Nut is so afraid that someone is going to take his only remaining Family Jewel away from him.

I just hope no one ever tells him it's zirconian!

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-31 01:05 PM | Reply

1LUMPYTRUMPER is a flavor of the week expert.

He gets all his information from right wing media and is sure it qualifies him to repeat the misinformation he's been given.

He really loves to lump himself deep up Trumps colon.

#109 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-31 01:18 PM | Reply

Pretty well guaranteed that when Lewzer fires Kristi Noem, Tulsi Gabbard and Pam Bondi they will all be replaced by straight white men.

#105 | POSTED BY REDIAL

And don't forget Kash Patel.

He has to be a DEI hire, it's written all over his skin.

He is obviously not being hired for his qualifications.

#110 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-31 01:28 PM | Reply

And don't forget Kash Patel.

Good point. I was going to include Linda McMahon but she's too rich to fire.

#111 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-31 02:41 PM | Reply

The Kash Patel hearing was so cringe worthy.

He's got such a fat punchable face.

#112 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-31 02:47 PM | Reply

Staffinf shortage is on Pete as he had years to tackle that problem, but pretty much sure that he was most likely unaware [as that would require paying attention to one's job] as he was about pretty much everything under his purview during his four years of tenure. One can call him a lot of things, but one thing he was not, 'responsible' in his position.

Just what are biden DEI hires good for??? Like WAR, 'Absolutely Nothing, uhuh' [with apologies to Edwin Starr].

#113 | Posted by MSgt at 2025-01-31 03:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#113 - read the thread. Pay attention to all the places that stupid shht you just posted was shown to be complete garbage. If you then have something intelligent to say, then please do so.

We have NEVER recovered from Reagan firing all the air traffic controllers on strike.

We hired more air traffic controllers in 2024 than any year in the past decade. INCLUDING under Trump.

You are a liar and a racist. Society would be better off if you never left your hole in the ground.

#104 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2025-01-31 12:49 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 2

^^^THIS^^^
Thank you, Sycophant!

#114 | Posted by YAV at 2025-01-31 08:37 PM | Reply

A month before the election in 2020 I was voicing my concerns about the potential for voting irregularities.
#40 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

What the fnkc is wrong with you people?

You're still conversing with this smuck as though he has a sincere perspective? Cut him off. Stop feeding the ignorant and the trolls.

BJ can go fnkc himself with a ten foot poll greased with Trumps feces for all I care.

Why you people think it's prudent to address him in any way other than despicable traitor is beyond me.

At least JEFFJ lays out some practical points that can be considered. BJ is just that, a fnkcin'-------- waiting for the inevitable finish.

Enough already. Same ----. Same ---- poster. Just a different day.

Swallow it.

#115 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-31 11:03 PM | Reply

#95 | Posted by eberly

So is your opinion that what he said was not offensive? Or are you, once again, simply addressing the responses of DR posters to news and not actually responding to the news itself?

Forgive me if I've already come to the forgone conclusion I'm sure you know.

#116 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-31 11:19 PM | Reply

Maybe not in theory but absolutely in practice.
#103 | Posted by BellRinger

Stop being lazy and be more specific.

#117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-31 11:21 PM | Reply

AWWWWWW YES, THE BEARS ARE REPEATING:

Why ignore thousands of qualified applicants?
#91 | Posted by oneironaut

That's a lie.

Even the lawsuit doesn't say that.

The lawsuit admits the hired people were competent and passed all tests. They just demand it be based entirely on the test and be blind to racial background. That's literally it. They don't claim the shortage is because of it. The lawsuits doesn't even claim more people would be hired.

FACTS:

The FAA has a bottleneck for training. They can't hire more because they can't put them through training. Training takes 18-24 months.

COVID and GOP government shutdowns also caused an issue because training had to be stopped. In a program that takes 2-3 years of training before applying and 18-24 months of onboarding training, that's an huge issue.

Better yet, Republicans block FAA funding increases. So there aren't resources to hire everyone they want. It is cheaper for the FAA to not hire and just give overtime to existing air traffic controllers.

Finally Reagan cut pay huge, put in a retirement age cap, and put in medical leave requirements. So a lot of air traffic controllers have left because they aged out, moved to better paying jobs, or can't transfer to cities they want to be in. The hiring can't make up for it when a lot of people leave at once.

We have NEVER recovered from Reagan firing all the air traffic controllers on strike.

We hired more air traffic controllers in 2024 than any year in the past decade. INCLUDING under Trump.

You are a liar and a racist. Society would be better off if you never left your hole in the ground.

#104 | Posted by Sycophant

#118 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-31 11:23 PM | Reply

#113 | Posted by MSgt

JFC you're dumb

Swallow it

#119 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-31 11:25 PM | Reply

@#113 ... Staffinf shortage is on Pete as he had years to tackle that problem, ...

As did every President since fmr Pres Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers.

So, what's yer point?


#120 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-01 12:33 AM | Reply

Rsty,

I was responding to Laura about voting crao again.

Keep up instead of just throwing insults.

#121 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-02-01 05:57 AM | Reply

"Common sense should tell you that forced quotas will eliminate sometimes better qualified candidates."

This is where your ignorance of the subject matter is exposed once again.

DEI has nothing to do with "quotas". That would be "affirmative action".

DEI was only there to remind you of your own personal confirmation bias. DEI training sessions only occurred AFTER you are hired and were already in the job. (Unless of course you accidentally expose that you are a Nazi or a white supremacist during the interview process.) Then all bets are off.

Just a word of advice: If Trumpy or a trumpet ever says something is true you will most likely be best served if you verify it yourself.

#122 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-02-01 12:58 PM | Reply

Also. This "common sense" you speak of is not very common amongst you maga maroons.

Trumpy's common sense told him to use ivermectin or bleach and UV lights up the wazoo to stop Covid.

Trumpy said only "15 cases soon to be zero"!

Trumpy had to have himself airlifted to Walter Reed Hospital because of Covid.

So much common sense!

#123 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-02-01 01:04 PM | Reply

Donner,

Really?

My opinion that DEI will ultimately have the net effect of bumping more qualified people is disproven because bleach used for covid is a dumb idea.

Damn..you are reaching.

#124 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-02-02 10:07 AM | Reply

My opinion that DEI will ultimately have the net effect of bumping more qualified people is disproven because bleach used for covid is a dumb idea.

Damn..you are reaching.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-02-02 10:07 AM | Reply

Your ignorance is showing BillJohnson. In other words only cis het white males need to apply. No one else matters.

#125 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-02 10:22 AM | Reply

"My opinion that DEI will ultimately have the net effect of bumping more qualified people is disproven because bleach used for covid is a dumb idea."

My opinion is that you have no clue what DEI really is for but you hate it because you are a dumbass and some other dumbass told you to hate it and blame it for everything.

#126 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-02-02 11:01 AM | Reply

Re 126

Just like you did with mail-in ballots. Remember when Trumpy told you to hate on them and you proceeded to "loudly" and vigorously proclaim them as evil and blame them for Trumpy's lost election?

At the time I believe you indicated that they were dangerous and even possibly a national security threat. Haven't heard a peep about mail in ballots lately.

Are them mail-in ballots all safe and perfectly ok now that Trumpy won?

#127 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-02-02 11:15 AM | Reply

Donner,

It's interesting how both sides seem to cry foul when things don't go their way. After years of dismissing claims of election fraud, some Democrats are now raising concerns about potential cheating.

It just goes to show that election integrity is only a priority for politicians when it benefits them.

That being said I saw opportunities for election integrity failure when I read what was being planned during covid a month before the election.

I'm tired of people bringing this up just to insult me when there's double standards being played by both sides.

#128 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-02-02 02:22 PM | Reply

" I saw opportunities for election integrity failure when I read what was being planned during covid a month before the election."

Now, four years later, we know none of those integrity failures happened.

Why hasn't a single person come forward agreeing with your theory? Wouldn't there have to be thousands of victims?

Where were the failures?

#129 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-02 03:07 PM | Reply

And those mythical failures were all corrected just in time for Trump to win... I think Bill's even said that, unless I'm mistaken.

#130 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-02 03:27 PM | Reply

Truth be told, BillJohnson believes the fact it was easier for "certain" people to vote in 2020 was the failure.

#131 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-02 04:29 PM | Reply

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