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The party that has spent unlimited resources and energy getting states to pass laws to allow citizens to openly carry loaded weapons anywhere - now believes that exercising this right is permission for law enforcement to murder you. Honestly, how dumb do they think we are?

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"The party that has spent unlimited resources and energy getting states to pass laws to allow citizens to openly carry loaded weapons anywhere - now believes that exercising this right is permission for law enforcement to murder you"

Trump/MAGA/GOP, by and large, have no fixed values. As has been pointed at more than once, they say and do whatever is needed to grab or keep power.

This is pure Nazis.

I am surprised that the NRA came out for an investigation here. After all, half of MAGA obliterated their own concern about pedophiles as soon as Trump was implicated.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2026-01-26 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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Thank you!

#2 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 10:21 AM | Reply

I am not a gun owner, and generally am opposed to gun ownership, but...

The fuss about the victim being armed while on the streets appears to me to be the first step in the confiscation of firearms in private hands. Open carry, unlicensed carry and ownership, and ownership of military-style and high capacity ammunition clips has been argued for by the Right and the NRA for years. And in a twinkling, the Trump Administration is laying down arguments against such situations. Federalist #46 put forth the argument of gun ownership as a check against tyranny (an interesting read, and I recommend it to all). Madison's argument is brought to the fore by those now calling for NO open carry, and NO high capacity ammo clips.

Gun owners: watch the video of those ICE raids. That could happen at your house, and sooner than you think. Your possession of a firearm makes you a threat to a tyrant...

#3 | Posted by catdog at 2026-01-26 12:14 PM | Reply

Hilarious, just because a guy with a gun dies the NRA is attacking the government.

Nothing will come of this, nothing about what the government did infringed on his 2A rights.

He didn't brandish the weapon, but he did conceal and bring one, causing more risk to him and community. As every good anti-2A person (like myself) knows heightens the risk and the intensity of the encounter. There are even ADs in Santa Clara on how to ask your neighbors if they have weapons on the premises. Why?

Because guns are ------- dangerous.

Lumpers cheering the NRA's stance really show they don't care about guns, they just hate Trump and/or Republicans, anything to own the CONS.

If you really cared you'd argue SEE this is what guns in the hands of the public creates and we should ban weapons in public spaces.

MN and other states tried to make it illegal to carry a weapon when attending "events" like protests.
storage.courtlistener.com

It failed, had it passed a life might have been saved.

#4 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 12:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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#5 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 12:57 PM | Reply

#4 Flag: Real name is Wi-Fi; can never seem to make a connection

#6 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 12:58 PM | Reply


Gun owners: watch the video of those ICE raids. That could happen at your house, and sooner than you think. Your possession of a firearm makes you a threat to a tyrant...

#3 | POSTED BY CATDOG

Ridiculous, they didn't kill him just because he had a gun. They killed him because he had a gun and was irresponsible in its use.

There are MN laws about duty to inform if you interact with LEO's Also every CCW class teaches that interacting with law enforcement is a situation that can go south quickly when carrying out in public. The CCW --------- inform the officer of possession, and turn over the weapon if instructed.

Guns are dangerous to be around, dangerous to own, and should be handled with respect. Pretti didn't take his responsibility seriously.

#7 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 12:59 PM | Reply

#4 Flag: When drowning, lifeguard gives a high-five

#8 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 01:00 PM | Reply

#6 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND
#4 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND

Hows that medication working? Do you need to see your Dr weekly? You might look into that.

#9 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 01:00 PM | Reply

"He didn't brandish the weapon, but he did conceal and bring one, causing more risk to him and community. "

Is THAT going to be the new standard going forward?

Because up until right now, the assumption has been that guy was making everyone around him SAFER.

Try talking to both sides of your mouth, and come up with one consistent view, m'kay?

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-26 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#7 Flag: Incubator had tinted windows; light of truth made him blind even as a newborn

#11 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 01:01 PM | Reply

"Pretti didn't take his responsibility seriously."

By not shooting back???

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-26 01:02 PM | Reply

#9 Flag: Popular at the blood bank due to his thin skin

#13 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 01:02 PM | Reply

#9 Flag: Family gets pre-annoyed before he arrives for holiday dinners

#14 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 01:04 PM | Reply

"The CCW --------- [...] turn over the weapon if instructed."

Is THAT the new standard now???

When do the "Please Tread On Me" T-shirts come out?

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-26 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#9 Flag: Easily confused by numbers

#16 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 01:06 PM | Reply

"They killed him because he had a gun and was irresponsible in its use."

Please, please, PLEASE proffer that theory in court!

It suggests Jonathan Ross should've been killed.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-26 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


I am not a gun owner, and generally am opposed to gun ownership, but...

The fuss about the victim being armed while on the streets appears to me to be the first step in the confiscation of firearms in private hands.

It wasn't that he was armed on the streets, this is such an equivocation, omitting facts to conform to a narrative, it's that he was irresponsible.

He obstructed an officer of the law without saying he was armed, with a concealed weapon. The subduing of Pretti was going as many of these interaction do, him struggling and resisting. Officers then discovered the concealed weapon, yelled "GUN", removed it from the struggle. Were there more weapons? Who knew at that time? Only Pretti knew. Until Pretti is subdued and searched only can they then declare "CLEAR".

Then things get strange, either the weapon accidentally discharged (twitchy trigger on SIG pistols) as the officer was walking away with the weapon or when Pretti in his struggle, got on his knee and reached to his back where the weapon was previously holstered was then shot (famous photo TruthNLies posted). The officers reacted, knowing the suspect had/has a gun.

The investigation will determine the timing of the events, I believe when he reached to his back hip, the first shot had just rung out, but the videos/audio are too jumpy to make a solid determination. Ergo IMO the weapon had an accidental discharge, and the other officers reacted to the sound (first shot, then tiny pause, then multiple shots are fired).

Tragic, all because a person brought a concealed weapon to a protest, which is his right, but doesn't absolve someone from being irresponsible.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 01:18 PM | Reply

"He didn't brandish the weapon, but he did conceal and bring one, causing more risk to him and community."

..said every progressive anti-gun activist. Ever.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2026-01-26 03:21 PM | Reply

"He obstructed an officer of the law without saying he was armed, with a concealed weapon."

Was that weapon on him when he was shot? Did he threaten the Police with it?

"Tragic, all because a person brought a concealed weapon to a protest, which is his right, but doesn't absolve someone from being irresponsible."

Including the Police?

I've worked with CBP and other federal agencies for years, and they were extremely professional. I have never leaned in favor of protesters, because most of them just seem to be attention hounds. Pull out your cell phone and get clicks. I'm beginning to question the professionalism and standards of DHS, and it sucks.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2026-01-26 03:29 PM | Reply

He didn't brandish the weapon, but he did conceal and bring one, causing more risk to him and community.

"..said every progressive anti-gun activist. Ever."
~MadBomber

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#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-26 03:30 PM | Reply

Was that weapon on him when he was shot?
- MB

No, but when he touched to officer in MN he has a duty to inform.

Did he threaten the Police with it?
- MB

Doesn't matter, commiting a felony, the push of the officer, while armed overrides 2A rights. It's a very serious matter.

#22 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 03:36 PM | Reply

Including the Police?
- MB

Including the police, but no one has pointed to police irresponsibility given the situation.

Sure we can speculate afterwards he was unarmed, but at the time the officers had no idea if he was completely disarmed.

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 03:39 PM | Reply

Bull ----. They took his gun away.

#24 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-26 03:39 PM | Reply

Strange times.

The left is going to defend the 2nd amendment.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-26 03:42 PM | Reply

Not that strange. Most of the lefties I know are armed. They just don't carry at dollar general.

#26 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-26 03:45 PM | Reply

"The left is going to defend the 2nd amendment."

While the administration is telling folks you can't protest if you're currently exercising that right.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-26 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bull ----. They took his gun away.
#24 | Posted by Alexandrite

Reading is fundamental.

They took the concealed gun away, but haven't ascertained if he had other weapons.

There are images of him before being shot and after disarmed reaching back to where the weapon was holstered. Only Pretti knew there were no other weapons.

#28 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 03:45 PM | Reply

They took the concealed gun away, but haven't ascertained if he had other weapons.

he was on his stomach getting shot in the back.

Watching videos is fundamental.

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-26 03:47 PM | Reply

"I'm beginning to question the professionalism and standards of DHS"

Jonathon Ross was drawing his gun with one hand, while he was filming on his phone with the other...because they were told to get footage of their heroics.

Time to get waaaay past the "beginning".

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-26 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If they thought he had more guns why were they pistol whipping him, genius?

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-26 03:47 PM | Reply

"when he touched to officer in MN he has a duty to inform."

Not in MN. 12 states, but not MN. He only has to acknowledge if asked.
www.usconcealedcarry.com

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-26 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who are they calling an investigation OF? DHS or Pretti?

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-26 03:49 PM | Reply

-Most of the lefties I know are armed.

armed? as in carrying? or simply that they own guns?

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-26 03:51 PM | Reply

A few carry but most leave them at home.

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-26 03:53 PM | Reply

Ryan Grenoble
4 minutes ago
Ryan Grenoble

Hearing On Evidence Preservation In Alex Pretti Killing Underway
A federal judge in St. Paul, Minnesota, is hearing arguments this afternoon from state officials who want to compel the federal government to cooperate in an investigation into the shooting death of Alex Pretti this weekend at the hands of ICE agents.

U.S. District Court Judge Eric Tostrud issued a temporary restraining order over the weekend at the request of the Hennepin County Attorney's Office, who feared senior federal officials would seek to have evidence altered or destroyed.

It's an alarming accusation. But after the shooting death of Renee Good under similar circumstances earlier this month, it's not without justification.

When an ICE agent shot and killed Good earlier this month, the same senior federal officials named in Tostrud's restraining order appeared to try to cover it up, going so far as to prevent state investigators from collaborating on " or even viewing " evidence they had collected in the case.

Via Huffpost.

#36 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-26 03:56 PM | Reply

"Doesn't matter, commiting a felony, the push of the officer, while armed overrides 2A rights. It's a very serious matter."

Sure.

Got it.

Had he been hauled off with a criminal charge of impeding federal officers...who cares. He probably was. But unless the Police thought he was wearing a suicide vest, they don't have much of an argument for shooting him.

And who knows, maybe the Police will make the claim that he could have been employing tactics common to Islamic terrorists. For Renee Goode, that would have been a real possibility. Europe was closing down Christmas markets out the fear that terrorists may use vehicles to mow down crowds.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2026-01-26 04:01 PM | Reply

www.nbcnews.com

Alex Pretti's killing was recorded on body-camera videos, DHS says
Investigators are reviewing videos of the shooting from multiple angles, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told NBC News.

#38 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-26 04:04 PM | Reply

"Strange times. The left is going to defend the 2nd amendment."

And Republicans are going to present the 2nd amendment as a threat to public safety. Albeit it seems a dwindling number of Republicans.

I think there will soon be an inflection point, where Republicans begin fleeing like rats off the sinking MAGA ship.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2026-01-26 04:06 PM | Reply

-And Republicans are going to present the 2nd amendment as a threat to public safety

irony all around.....

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-26 04:46 PM | Reply

the sinking MAGA ship.

It sure is.

#41 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-26 05:10 PM | Reply


#38 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

This is good news.

But unless the Police thought he was wearing a suicide vest, they don't have much of an argument for shooting him.

Incorrect....

As I have stated, they didn't know if he had another weapon. Some officers might not even know the weapon was removed, only heard "GUN". He wasn't face down when the shooting occurred, he was on one knee reaching back to where the weapon was previously located..

Now LE aren't in a hivemind despite your desire that they are, they all didn't know he was disarmed, and his reaching back towards the location of his weapon (which was removed) concerned the officers. It was about this time the first shot rang out.

Being an officer in that position, someone assumed Pretti fired the first round (sight pause inbetween first shot and barrage), and the firing on him began.

As I stated if could be AD or ND, but the officers with all the noise (whistles etc) aren't sure.


#42 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 05:15 PM | Reply

- As I have stated

ffs... someone give him an enema already; perhaps his severe case of self-importance can be, uh... evacuated.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-26 05:20 PM | Reply

Now we can all Monday morning quarterback.

But in the moment, which the only thing that matters, the officers didn't behave irresponsibly given the data they had at the time.

They didn't execute him, or drag him out of a house and just shoot him in the streets as Eberly implies with his Gestapo reference.

Sure you can hang people if you're the type that likes to tear down statues, and pay reparations for historical correctness. But in the real world, things like this happen because people have a legitimate fear for their lives. Calling someone irresponsible, for fearing for their lives, and behaving with in the constructs of the law is absurd.

#44 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 05:22 PM | Reply

Maybe the sunken MAGA ship can serve as an artificial reef for, I don't know, dogfish?

#45 | Posted by Zed at 2026-01-26 05:23 PM | Reply

#43 | POSTED BY CORKY

Without an argument this is all Corky can add to a discussion.

#46 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 05:25 PM | Reply

Jesus, ONEIRONAUT.

Trump is as likely to bring the man who killed Alex to trial as he is to fess up about kid didiling.

You are so bad at being self-righteous.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2026-01-26 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- the officers didn't behave irresponsibly given the data they had at the time.

Unbelievable. Perhaps in China 10 shots to the back of an unarmed man is responsible police action.

Don't expect to see a pic of 1Nut standing in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square... he's the guy busy making excuses for the tank crew.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-26 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Strange times.
The left is going to defend the 2nd amendment.
#25 | Posted by eberly

Nothing strange about it at all.
The left has been consistently defending the Constitution when it comes to ICE.
The right has been consistently ignoring the Constitution when it comes to ICE.
And it's been this way for a year now.

Nothing has changed, from an ideological perspective.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-26 06:49 PM | Reply

#25 I've never defended the 2nd, Eb.

The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution has done absolutely nothing positive for the USA.

That said, however, so long as it is there, then F%&k the hypocrites on the right who want it two ways:

AOK for them to show up at any kind of protest, armed to the teeth.

BAD if it is "others."

#50 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Watching videos is fundamental.
#29 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Telling the truth is fundamental.

What's painstakingly obvious is OneTrumper, our "open borders, liberal, Chinese immigrant" can't tell the truth if his life depended on it.

Also, he's too stupid to realize no one believes a ------- thing he posts.

Hey, OneTrumper, did they teach you the fable about the boy who cried wolf in China? Or about Chicken Little?

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-26 07:04 PM | Reply

"Ridiculous, they didn't kill him just because he had a gun. They killed him because he had a gun and was irresponsible in its use."

Keep lying Commie Spyboy.

Americans saw what happened. From multiple angles. A real investigation will show even more.

Keep up the good work tho. Your lying is just inflaming and stirring even more Americans into action.

It's exactly what we need right now. Thanks!

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-01-26 07:11 PM | Reply

Document Observe and Record.

There will be an accounting.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-01-26 07:14 PM | Reply

The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution has done absolutely nothing positive for the USA.

Its not meant too, in fact its purpose is to destroy the US Government should it be tyrannical.

Pretty incredible foresight actually.

#54 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 07:23 PM | Reply

Keep lying Commie Spyboy.

Typical, ya got nothing of substance in response.

#55 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 07:24 PM | Reply

#55 You have zero idea of what the US Constitution is, and what it means.

#56 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 07:27 PM | Reply


AOK for them to show up at any kind of protest, armed to the teeth.

BAD if it is "others."

#50 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND

I don't understand the American obsession with displaying/bringing weapons in the public sphere.

Somehow 2A was subverted into defending ones self. Seems crazy to me, I don't recall ever reading that being the reason for the 2A.

I can see the logic in being a 2A supporter and being against "open carry" and "CCW". In fact I support that logic.

#57 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 07:28 PM | Reply


#55 You have zero idea of what the US Constitution is, and what it means.
#56 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND

Which is wild, because that means you have negative idea of what the USC is or what it means.

#58 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 07:29 PM | Reply

Unbelievable. Perhaps in China 10 shots to the back of an unarmed man is responsible police action.

I swear Americans in the aggregate aren't even curious about their own system.

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)

Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force. Thus, if the suspect threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where
feasible, some warning has been given. As applied in such circumstances, the Tennessee statute would pass constitutional muster.
supreme.justia.com

#59 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 07:34 PM | Reply

I think the legal term is reasonableness.

Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989)
A claim of excessive force by law enforcement during an arrest, stop, or other seizure of an individual is subject to the objective reasonableness standard of the Fourth Amendment, rather than a substantive due process standard under the Fourteenth Amendment. In other words, the facts and circumstances related to the use of force should drive the analysis, rather than any improper intent or motivation by the officer who used force.

#60 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-26 07:36 PM | Reply

#57 Of course you don't understand it.

America and its institutions are foreign to you and your ilk.

Your ilk, foreign and domestic.

#61 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-26 07:36 PM | Reply

@#57 ... I don't understand the American obsession with displaying/bringing weapons in the public sphere. ...

Nor do I.

But I also do not deny them that Constitutionally protected right to do so, as Trump Admin officials seem to want to do.


#62 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-26 07:42 PM | Reply

- Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm,

This is where our Psychic Wannabe Know-it All visa holder tells us that he KNOWS that the executed victim posed a threat of serious harm... to anyone.

This is what, in the US Courts anyway, we call, 'a fact not in evidence'.

But then, evidence and analysis, not to mention intelligence or prudence, are not China Security Services next DNA Donor's strong points.

What a joke.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-26 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

rather than a substantive due process standard under the Fourteenth Amendment. In other words, the facts and circumstances related to the use of force should drive the analysis, rather than any improper intent or motivation by the officer who used force.

#60 | Posted by oneironaut

The 14th ammendment doesn't exist for trump. It clearly says an insurrectionist can't run for president.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2026-01-26 08:13 PM | Reply

Typical, ya got nothing of substance in response.

#55 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Not interested in replying to your maga moronic lies. You are not a lawyer. THIS is not a court of law. And I have caught you in lies some many times I have lost count. So when you have 2 RELIABLE INDEPENDENT sources for anything you say then I may actually respond with "substance".

You are an immigrant. A visitor to our land. You are welcome here. But you are not welcome to try and create chaos and division and harm America with your lies.

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-01-26 08:21 PM | Reply

"Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm..."

Well, there goes Johnathan Ross's defense....

If he believed he was in harm's way, he wouldn't have stood in front of the vehicle. Nor should he have continued shooting after side-stepping, ESPECIALLY into a moving vehicle. And the second and third shots are clearly from a point of safety.

His post-murder comment is telling as well.

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-26 08:26 PM | Reply

"60"

You'd be laughed out of any law school classroom for that retarded ----, Jeff . You ------- coward.

#67 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-01-26 11:33 PM | Reply

@#7 ... They killed him because he had a gun and was irresponsible in its use. ...

OK, now do the 2017 Charlottesville "Unite the Right" demonstration, and the guns that were carried (and fired) there.

#68 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-27 01:33 AM | Reply

This is a welcome development. This shooting absolutely needs to be investigated.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-27 11:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is a welcome development. This shooting absolutely needs to be investigated.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger

Yet you'll keep voting for the people who are preventing it from being investigated.

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2026-01-27 01:06 PM | Reply

"You can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns. It's a very unfortunate thing."

~ pedo 47 ~

politicalwire.com

#71 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2026-01-27 01:28 PM | Reply

Obligatory.
uploads.disquscdn.com

#72 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2026-01-27 01:38 PM | Reply

-The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution has done absolutely nothing positive for the USA.

Exactly my point.

Hence the reference to the irony of it.

There is no irony on the right. They're completely predictably hypocritical.

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-27 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#73, Thanks, Eb!

#74 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-27 02:15 PM | Reply

There is one thing that no one talks about that Pretti did that struck me as odd.

I think it demonstrated how he thought.

It's when he started trying to direct traffic. Not his responsibility and in fact could have created a problem.

Then he put himself in the mix helping a woman when clearly he was out of place and creating a problem which cost him his life.

So what's my point?

Both the traffic and getting mixed up with the agents were inappropriate behavior.

Just an observation. I wonder if he stuck his nose into things at work.

#75 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 04:21 PM | Reply

Both the traffic and getting mixed up with the agents were inappropriate behavior.

Nurses help people. Maybe try reading that gold bible you bought from an atheist conman.

Also, ---- you.

#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-27 04:22 PM | Reply

There is one thing that no one talks about that Pretti did that struck me as odd.
I think it demonstrated how he thought.
It's when he started trying to direct traffic. Not his responsibility and in fact could have created a problem.
Then he put himself in the mix helping a woman when clearly he was out of place and creating a problem which cost him his life.
So what's my point?
Both the traffic and getting mixed up with the agents were inappropriate behavior.
Just an observation. I wonder if he stuck his nose into things at work.
#75 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 04:21 PM | Reply

He was trying to protect a woman for crying out loud. You know chivalry and all of that. You know what a real man does. You should be on the side of Pretti if you knew what's good for you.

#77 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-01-27 04:33 PM | Reply

- inappropriate behavior.

Ah, finally. A good reason to put 10 bullets in his back. Thanks!

#78 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 04:35 PM | Reply

Jesus never would have done that, right BillJohnson?

#79 | Posted by YAV at 2026-01-27 04:36 PM | Reply

I am going to take an unpopular position.

If Pretti did not have a gun he'd be alive

That does not justify the murder or blame the victim, but is a simple fact

Your gun is more likely to kill you or a loved one than a bad guy

#80 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 04:46 PM | Reply

- If Pretti did not have a gun he'd be alive

We don't know that for sure. What we do know for sure is that Renee Good didn't have a gun, and she's dead.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 04:48 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 04:54 PM | Reply

Mentally ill people are polluting drudge.com.

#83 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-01-27 04:55 PM | Reply

Both the traffic and getting mixed up with the agents were inappropriate behavior.
Just an observation. I wonder if he stuck his nose into things at work.
#75 | Posted by BillJohnson

No, it just goes to show you're an idiot who doesn't have a sense of community or responsibility.

I've stood in a street and helped direct traffic when lots of cars are snarled and it's hard to move. Not because I felt I was something special, but because having some source of unified organzization can make some situations go much faster and easier.

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-27 05:05 PM | Reply

I swear Americans in the aggregate aren't even curious about their own system

I swear, you're a stupid f*&^ and reprehensible piece of s*&^ whose sole aim is to sew misinformation and deceit.

#85 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-27 05:07 PM | Reply

"Then he put himself in the mix helping a woman when clearly he was out of place and creating a problem which cost him his life."

Like when white people take a wrong turn, and end up in the ghetto, and get murdered.

That white person was clearly out of place, creating a problem which cost him his life.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 05:30 PM | Reply

59 and 60

Throwing out one paragraph quotes without context is meaningless.

Have you Shepardized those cases?

#87 | Posted by et_al at 2026-01-27 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nick Fuentes Says Alex Pretti Was A 'Race Traitor'

www.youtube.com

1 min

#88 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And what race does Latino Nick Fuentes belong to?

Here's what whites call this good-for-nothing hatemonger behind his back: thebusinessblaze.com

#89 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-01-27 06:14 PM | Reply

DJT enjoyed his dinner with Fuentes; brought him into the mainstream.

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 06:16 PM | Reply

You feel bad about this race traitor.
That's what they are. You feel bad about
this lesbian poet and Alex Pretty, the
male nurse. You feel sorry for these
race traders that laid down their life
in defense of this scheme. You can't
plead ignorance. They're in their late
30s. Renee Good was 38. This this guy
was 37. What is the excuse?
These are not college kids that got
misguided. These are not college kids
that don't know any better. These are
full-g grown adults. We are in the
postcoavid era. We are thoroughly in the
Trump era. If you don't get it at this
point, you're irredeemable. If you're
out there throwing yourself in front of
ICE to die for these dirt bags,
let him. Let him. One less in
the world. one less trader in the world.
That's what I say.
There's no moral equivalency. People
say, "Oh, well, you know, they're a US
citizen and all this kind of stuff."
Well, you know, they're they're not
acting like citizens.

- N. Fuentes from the vid

#91 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Then he put himself in the mix helping a woman when clearly he was out of place and creating a problem which cost him his life."

Ah. I remember that story from the Bible! Luke 10:25-37. It was about that Good-for-nothing Samaritan that was properly murdered after he tried to "help" a stranger. Thankfully a priest and a levite killed that MF'r.

I might not have all those details right.

#92 | Posted by YAV at 2026-01-27 07:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Too bad he wasn't breaking into congress, trying to topple democracy on behalf of a fascist dictator. Then he would be a hero.

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2026-01-27 07:34 PM | Reply

Yav,

Faith is trusting God.
Daring God to prove Himself is putting Him to a foolish test. The Bible explicitly says don't.

Matthew 4:7 (NLT)
Jesus said,
"The Scriptures also say, You must not test the LORD your God.'"

Bringing a gun (with an extra magazine, no less) into a situation he knew would be dangerous was foolish.

I've read that his ex said he was very active protesting during the George Floyd riots, which means he knew exactly what those situations can turn into. This wasn't his first exposure to crowds, chaos and the police.

The woman he was "helping" didn't end up on the ground for no reason. This wasn't a Good Samaritan moment. Neither of them had any business being there in the first place.

I fully support peaceful protest. But you know as well as I do that much of this stopped being peaceful a long time ago.

I'm sorry he's dead. I'm not saying he deserved it, and I'm not blaming him for being killed.
But if you play with matches, sometimes you get burned.

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 08:11 PM | Reply

THANK GOD..trump is working to bring back looney bins............

here's an idiot who REALLY needs mental help...

Ben Cohen, from Ben & Jerry's, says he doesn't have the heart to make ice cream now after the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Pretti and is DEMANDING ICE be abolished:
"I planned to make an ice cream to memorialize and celebrate the life of Renee Good. But after the murder of Alex Pretti this weekend, I didn't have it within me to make ice cream.

DEAR BEN

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#95 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2026-01-27 08:18 PM | Reply

#95 Flag: There's always help available for you, STD

#96 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-27 08:22 PM | Reply

Yav,

"I might not have all those details right."

No...you don't have it right.

Unless you're reading another book called The Dark Bible of Satan.

#97 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 08:23 PM | Reply

#97 Flag: Poor BJ boi

#98 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-27 08:26 PM | Reply

Shrimp,

"THANK GOD ... Trump is bringing back funny farms."

Imagine being arrested and discovering you've been institutionalized and can't leave.

Your illness?

Liberalism.

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 08:28 PM | Reply

- This wasn't a Good Samaritan moment.

It most certainly was.

- No...you don't have it right.

You have NO sense of humor at all.

We could obviously include no sense all. Period.

- But if you play with matches, sometimes you get burned.

When you never risk, you are never rewarded.

When's the last time you were at a protest?

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 08:29 PM | Reply

"Neither of them had any business being there in the first place."

Why don't we have any business being in public at the donut shop where we live?

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 08:31 PM | Reply

"This wasn't a Good Samaritan moment"

Please tell me you're joking.

If not, you're the worst excuse for a Christian I've ever encountered.

#102 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-27 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm sorry he's dead."

No, you're not sorry he's dead.
You spent this whole thread saying he rightfully deserves to be dead.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jesus was a liberal.

The Jews that JC told the story of the Good Samaritan to considered Samaritans to be the scum of the earth.

In his story, fellow Jews passed the wounded Jew by, while the Samaritan saved him and paid for his recovery.

The Jews hearing the story were shocked and upset at JC's progressive attitude towards people they thought beneath them.

You are much like those conservative Jews, BJ.

#104 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Imagine being arrested and discovering you've been institutionalized and can't leave. Your illness? Liberalism."

You've just suggested institutionalizing your political opponents, because they disagree with you.

Jesus wept.

#105 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-27 08:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Corky,

"Jesus was a liberal."

In his time, that's how he likely would have been regarded.

But Jesus would be appalled by the way liberalism has evolved today.

MLK was far closer to Jesus than modern liberals are now.

#106 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 08:47 PM | Reply

Dan,

That was satire.

It was meant humorously.

At least it amused me.

#107 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 08:49 PM | Reply

- MLK was far closer to Jesus than modern liberals are now.

Modern liberals are far closer to MLK on social issues than you ever were or ever will be, unfortunately.

You follow the World's Greatest Liar, not the Greatest Truthteller.

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 08:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Neither of them had any business being there in the first place"

I'll take "What Only a Fascist Would Say" for $2,000, Ken.

#109 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-27 09:02 PM | Reply

" That was satire."

More like wishcasting.

#110 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-27 09:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Jesus would be appalled by the way liberalism has evolved today"

Equal rights for gays?

#111 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-27 09:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But Jesus would be appalled by the way liberalism has evolved today."

You think he'd be more on the Conservative side, with the flying planes into buildings, and ethnically cleansing the land of his birth?

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy,

"You think he'd be more on the Conservative side"

No...Jesus would say to pick up a cross and follow Him.

#113 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 09:11 PM | Reply

#106 And, yet, that same Jesus would still love a gay incel married to a b****.

So there is that.

#114 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-27 09:12 PM | Reply

Well, remember all those things JC said about gays and trans and abortions and border security... wait, he never mentioned any of that.

But don't remember all the things he said about loving one another, taking care of the poor, the hungry, those in prison, immigrants, and strangers.

He also mentioned that his Dad was not running a Meritocracy; that no one is perfect.

#115 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 09:14 PM | Reply

"MLK was far closer to Jesus than modern liberals are now."

MLK is pretty much where modern liberals are now. A world more built on meritocracy than wealth, universal basic income, and strong protection of civil rights in civil society.

When MLK was assassinated, only the first third of his dream had even sprouted from seed. Universal Basic Income has taken on widespread support as more and more people get left behind in this economy. Getting left behind used to be a hallmark of segregation. Now, whites are getting left behind like blacks were, and they begin to understand what MLK was talking about beyond mere on-paper equality between the races.

Building a strong civil rights society takes financial investment, and too many rich people would rather live a little richer in a ------ world, knowing they can mostly insulate themselves with their bit of extra wealth.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 09:15 PM | Reply

Dan,

"Equal rights for gays?"

I think Jesus might say we all sin.

He wouldn't approve of humans elevating themselves to judge each other.

"Whose sins are the worst?"

#117 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 09:16 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"MLK is pretty much where modern liberals are now"

If you are living in that fantasy....I don't want to continue this discussion.

Your claim requires ignoring what MLK actually said and believed.

#118 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-27 09:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#118 Flag: Gets caught trying to rewrite history; goes completely coward when caught

#119 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-27 09:21 PM | Reply

- too many rich people

JC was asked about how a person could be good. He said why ask me about being good? There is only one who is good.

When asked again he said, well, if you want to perfect, sell all you own, give to the poor, and follow me.

The rich young man walked away.

#120 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"loving one another, taking care of the poor, the hungry, those in prison, immigrants, and strangers."

This accounts for about 90% of what Jesus talked about.
Jesus teaches us to welcome foreigners and immigrants and refugees and simply treat them as human beings.

It's quite surprising to me how that's too big an ask for some people.
I feel like I fundamentally can't understand how someone thinks that's just a bad thing to do.
I can see not doing it yourself, and being happy there's other people doing these good works. Lord knows I'm not visiting prisoners to help them become better people.

But I can't understand being angry that we are helping those in need.
I can understand being angry at the people who take advantage of our kindness. Like the Somali Daycare fraud that we don't hear about now that ICE is routinely killing people and still not releasing the Epstein Files. You can be mad about that, but saying we're putting an end to all Federal daycare spending because of one fraud has the effect of punishing children for something they had no control over. When your solution to a crime is to harm children, you are a bad person.

What I can't quite understand is how you Republicans get so burned by other people's kindness towards each other, that you want to smash it.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 09:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Your claim requires ignoring what MLK actually said and believed."

You'll have a hard time finding too many things MLK said that I can't agree with.

Please proceed, Governor.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 09:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#121 | #122 Bravo, Snoofy, for these excellent posts.

And thank you.

#123 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-27 09:28 PM | Reply

Whose sins are the worst?"

#117 | Posted by BillJohnson a

Yours. Your sins are the worst.

Truth Hurts Donut

#124 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 09:29 PM | Reply

#121

Their usual excuse is nearly impossibly lame, we've heard it a million times. It goes, that's fine for the individual, but not for the Gov.

Which is a total non sequitur; in a Gov of, by, and for the People, if we want to combine our resources to get more efficient outcomes, we can do so.

We do it for roads and bridges, sidewalks and libraries, EMT, Police, Fire, lots of things, which can and should include taking care of ourselves and our neighbors.

I've yet to have one of them tell me where JC or anyone else says we can't.

#125 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 09:32 PM | Reply

Well, remember all those things JC said about gays and trans and abortions and border security... wait, he never mentioned any of that.
But don't remember all the things he said about loving one another, taking care of the poor, the hungry, those in prison, immigrants, and strangers.
He also mentioned that his Dad was not running a Meritocracy; that no one is perfect.
#115 | Posted by Corky

If Jesus was real, which he ain't, today he would most CERTAINLY be hanging with the gays and the trans and those seeking abortions and those immigrants seeking asylum and those in prisons.

That is just how fictional Jesus was portrayed in the fiction novel "The Bible"

#126 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 09:33 PM | Reply

What I can't quite understand is how you Republicans get so burned by other people's kindness towards each other, that you want to smash it.

#121 | Posted by snoofy

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

John Kenneth Galbraith

#127 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- which he ain't

Well, I'm glad we finally cleared that up... oh, wait:

www.youtube.com

#128 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 09:42 PM | Reply

OOOOh some tik tok video discovered intelligent design so Jesus must be real

Question for you

Jesus supposed first miracle was turning water into wine

Since there is a high probability that some at that wedding were alcoholics how is providing alcoholics with alcohol a good thing?

How is making sure a wedding feast goes on so as to not shame a host a reasonable priority for god?

Seems more like the miracle of a devil to me

#129 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 09:56 PM | Reply

#129

That's just silly.

You can do better.

But here's the standard answer anyway:

www.google.com

#130 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 10:03 PM | Reply

So, you can't answer so you rely on AI

that's kind of ironic but I digress

You cannot justify Jesus' first miracle causing active harm can you?

You cannot explain why with all of the war and famine and pestilence and disease and child death and leprosy and rampant ignorance and a literal life expectancy of 30 to 35 years why Jesus chose, as his first miracle, CHOSE mind you

to keep a party going.

All the other BS ai spouts as why could easily be accomplished by jesus actually helping someone in need.

but jesus CHOSE to actively hurt people to reveal his glory

The guy with liver disease probably could have done without jesus' glory

#131 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:10 PM | Reply

And how the ---- is it ethical MORAL to bring some dead guy back from the dead. That sounds devilishly cruel to me

But oh yeah, he was jesus' friend. So, Jesus was being a selfish ----- when he dragged a bloated festering corpse back to life

#132 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:13 PM | Reply

#131

You are just babbling nonsense again.... and I'm not going to write out several paragraphs when your question is easily answered with the standard facts... something even AI knows, rofl.

I assure you, no Jews were hurt in the making of this wine.

#133 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 10:16 PM | Reply

And how the ---- is it ethical MORAL to bring some dead guy back from the dead. That sounds devilishly cruel to me
But oh yeah, he was jesus' friend. So, Jesus was being a selfish ----- when he dragged a bloated festering corpse back to life

Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:13 PM | Reply

Don't you fret a bit honey. Nobody is ging to resurrect your dead festering corpse when you're dead. i can vouch for this.

#134 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-01-27 10:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thank god for that Laura

#135 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:19 PM | Reply

#132

You aren't normally this incoherent; making stuff up to fit your whine.

When's the last time you read the NT?

Which Oxford and Stanford professors did you study under?

#136 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 10:19 PM | Reply

#131
You are just babbling nonsense again.... and I'm not going to write out several paragraphs when your question is easily answered with the standard facts... something even AI knows, rofl.
I assure you, no Jews were hurt in the making of this wine.

#133 | Posted by Corky a

So, you deny reality to justify your insanity.

not surprising

Simple fact

around 1/10th of people are alcoholics

Therefore, around 1 in every 10 people at the Cana wedding were alcoholics

Jesus turned water into wine for these people

Jesus made wine for alcoholics

To keep a party going

To keep a party going

That was Jesus' first miracle

To harm alcoholics

You see Corky, this is the problem with religion. You consider it in the most basic of logic the myth falls apart completely

And this is the miracle that christians tout as Jesus' coming out miracle, his glory-hurting people.

#137 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:24 PM | Reply

Look at the ---- your AI answer uses to justify

Key reasons and symbolism:
To reveal His glory: The Gospel of John presents this as the "beginning of signs" that showed Jesus' divine nature, causing His disciples to believe.
TH: Again his "glory" was to create a beverage that harms people.
To save the wedding: He rescued the hosts from shame by providing far more excellent wine than they had, showing His care for people's needs.
TH: God forbid his wealthy host be embarrassed. What a joke.
Symbol of new covenant: The large quantity of the best wine signifies the superabundant grace, joy, and fulfillment of God's new era, replacing the old, insufficient system (represented by the water jars for ritual cleansing).
TH: Wow what a stretch. HA God's superabundant grace is a poison to people. well that does hold a truth in it
Creation power: It mirrored God's creation of matter from nothing, showcasing Jesus as the Creator.
TH: Well this is just wrong. He didn't create matter he transformed matter. So 1/6th of the justification is just wrong
Spiritual transformation: The miracle symbolizes Jesus' ability to transform the undesirable (water, sin, or struggling desires) into something pure and joyful (wine, righteousness, new life).
TH: Water is undesirable. LOL, I LOVE water far more that wine. STRUGGLLING DESIRES!!! What about those alcoholics struggling with their desire for you know, alcohol. There is little pure and joyful about an alcoholic pissing and puking himself to an early grave
Foreshadowing the Cross: The wine can also symbolize the blood of Christ, offering cleansing and eternal life, with the best wine (His sacrifice) coming last, fulfilling all things.
TH: Yep nothing says religion more than alcohol being symbol of god

Truth Hurts Donut

#138 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:29 PM | Reply

#132
You aren't normally this incoherent; making stuff up to fit your whine.
When's the last time you read the NT?
Which Oxford and Stanford professors did you study under?
#136 | Posted by Corky

I didn't make up the Lazarus story. Some bronze era peasants did.

How come YOU can't justify it.

Was Lazarus not Jesus' friend?

Was Lazarus not the friend of the disciples?

Isn't it a tad selfish to bring your OWN friend back from the dead?

Is bringing someone back from the dead even a good thing?

#139 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:31 PM | Reply

You don't know enough to have an intelligent discussion on this, Twoofers.

Wine was much safer and healthier to drink than most water in those days, period.

also, for your 'tic-toc' non-argument:

www.youtube.com

The gentleman speaking in the short video has several doctorates from Oxford, including a specialty in Group Theory aka Abstract Algebra.

I bet you can keep up, though.

#140 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 10:34 PM | Reply

btw... The Bronze Age (c. 3300-1200 BCE)

You are making yourself the fool here.

#141 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 10:37 PM | Reply

"Wine was much safer and healthier to drink than most water in those days, period."

Yeah this was kind of the first step towards sanitation, without realizing it at the time.
Unfortunately the next step took dozens of centuries, almost long enough for us to invent the microscope and actually see bacteria.
The alcohol in wine and beer kills off pathogens.
Or if it doesn't, it becomes foul and you knew not to drink it.

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 10:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That may be what TH is doing tonight... killing off pathogens &)

#143 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-27 10:42 PM | Reply

Wine was much safer and healthier to drink than most water in those days, period.

IT
WAS
STILL
ALCOHOLIC
THUS
STILL
DANGEROUS
POISON

Hey, how about THIS for a first miracle?
BOILING WATER!!

#144 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:45 PM | Reply

The alcohol in wine and beer kills off pathogens.
Or if it doesn't, it becomes foul and you knew not to drink it.

#142 | Posted by snoofy

A slower death filled with tragedy and humiliation is not better

#145 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:47 PM | Reply

The gentleman speaking in the short video has several doctorates from Oxford, including a specialty in Group Theory aka Abstract Algebra.

I bet you can keep up, though.

#140 | Posted by Corky

Can your doctor explain the morality of giving an alcoholic wine?

#146 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I admittedly am often a black and white thinker about morality. Especially as I get older. While I find some things have become more gray, I find myself quicker to pass judgement on other things.

Giving wine to an alcoholic is not a morally positive act.

#147 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:50 PM | Reply

That may be what TH is doing tonight... killing off pathogens &)

#143 | Posted by Corky

If I could kill the pathogen of the public expression of religion or at least the use of religion to justify public policy, I'd feel like I accomplished something beneficial

#148 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:52 PM | Reply

btw... The Bronze Age (c. 3300-1200 BCE)
You are making yourself the fool here.
#141 | Posted by Corky

the christian myths are founded on the bronze age myths I thought a scholar like yourself would be aware of that.

#149 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-27 10:54 PM | Reply

"Giving wine to an alcoholic is not a morally positive act."

It is when they have the DTs and the only cure is some alcohol or they'll die.

Alcohol withdrawal is extremely dangerous.

#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 11:16 PM | Reply

A slower death filled with tragedy and humiliation is not better
#145 | Posted by truthhurts

Okay, that's a bit extreme though.
Not everyone who drinks beer and wine dies a tragic, humiliated alcoholic.

#151 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-27 11:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Truth,

"I admittedly am often a black and white thinker about morality"

Right - aligned with truth and good, regardless of convenience
Wise - not strictly moral duty, but shows discernment and foresight
Personal choice - morally neutral territory
Foolish - avoidable error, usually rooted in short-term thinking
Wrong - violation of moral truth, not just social norms or even what's legal.

This is how I see it. Different people see things at different levels.

#152 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-28 12:37 AM | Reply

I been drinkin ever day since 1975! If I was a alcoholic I would dam sure know!

#153 | Posted by john_savage1 at 2026-01-28 01:22 AM | Reply

Q: What's the difference between a drunk and an alcoholic?
A: You don't have to go to those damn meetings!

#154 | Posted by john_savage1 at 2026-01-28 01:24 AM | Reply

Turnip says he wants a full investigation into the Alex Pretti murder. The trouble with that is Turnip and his administration have already shown they can't be trusted. They have continually lied throughout the entire year his administration has held their posts. They have burned whatever good will and belief in the government will do the right thing, can be trusted, or be unbiased, by the public perception as well as local, state, and federal judges. So far the SCOTUS has leaned long and hard towards the administration and in the process they too have burned a lot of the belief in even handed justice.

The only way the public will believe the investigation was done by the facts and not by political influence and demands, is for an outside investigator. Even there it will be a tough call to show it was done by facts. The public's trust has degraded that far.

#155 | Posted by BBQ at 2026-01-28 03:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Posted by oneironaut

This clownish crap has got to be generated by an AI bot.

There's no other reasonable explanation.

#156 | Posted by Angrydad at 2026-01-28 10:05 AM | Reply

- Giving wine to an alcoholic

A scenario you made up, then destroyed... what's that called? Oh, yeah, a Strawman.

#157 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-28 10:44 AM | Reply

- I didn't make up the Lazarus story. Some bronze era peasants did.

- the christian myths are founded on the bronze age myths I thought a scholar like yourself would be aware of that.

White man speak with forked tongue.

You should at least be honest, even when you are talking out of your posterior.

#158 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-28 10:49 AM | Reply

Truth,

"Giving wine to an alcoholic is not a morally positive act."

It's up to that person to exercise self control if they know they shouldn't drink.

The story in the Bible, a wedding had run out of wine. So Jesus turned water into good quality wine.

Should the person who hosted the wedding not have served wine in the first place?

Leave it to a liberal to shift the responsibility of making good decisions onto someone else, instead of the individual themselves.

#159 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-28 12:26 PM | Reply

You bet Jesus could make a smooth Bourbon.

#160 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-28 12:29 PM | Reply

Should the person who hosted the wedding not have served wine in the first place?

How on earth would Jesus know that too much alcohol is bad for you and that alcoholism is deadly and leaves a wake of destruction in it's path and he probably shouldn't promote its use?

After all.. He was just the son of a God ... or is God.. or one of three Gods...

#161 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-01-28 12:35 PM | Reply

How on earth would Jesus know that too much alcohol is bad for you and that alcoholism is deadly and leaves a wake of destruction in its path and he probably shouldn't promote its use?

Should have not been included in the quotes..

#162 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-01-28 12:37 PM | Reply

Donner,

From what I have seen, drunkenness is the issue in the Bible, not drinking in general.

There are people who shouldn't touch alcohol according to the Bible because they are under specific vows or callings. Just like they are forbidden to cut their hair or eat certain things.

Those restrictions applied to them, not to everyone else.

The Bible does recognize special restrictions for specific people, but it never turns those into universal moral laws.

On a personal level, some people may decide to abstain from alcohol.

#163 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-28 12:48 PM | Reply

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