Kindly post something more intelligent than blaming this on anyone who voted for Trump.

Obviously this is a travesty.

It should be made into a viral story so people understand immigrants should not be treated all the same.

This problem didn't begin with Trump, and he shouldn't get all the blame for how it developed.

Obama's administration started Haiti's TPS protection after the 2010 earthquake, initially for 18 months. It provided protection from deportation and permission to work, but no automatic path to permanent residency.

The emergency help was understandable.

But then his administration expanded eligibility in 2011 and renewed protection in 2012, 2014, and 2015 because conditions in Haiti remained unsafe.

The temporary arrangement continued without a permanent solution in place.

Obama supported broader immigration reform. Congress shares responsibility for failing to deliver it.

But when Haitian TPS began in January 2010, Democrats controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress. They retained that control for the rest of the year.

Why didn't Obama and congressional Democrats secure a more lasting solution during that time?

He eventually left office without securing a lasting settlement for the Haitian TPS recipients covered during his presidency. His administration should have done more to resolve their long-term future while continuing to renew their temporary protections.

Meanwhile, people were building lives around a status that could end.

Trump is responsible for his decisions. Earlier administrations and Congress are responsible for theirs.

Hor,

There are lessons to be learned all around.

Democrats and Republicans can learn something from.

It's too irresponsible to think Trump is solely at fault.

Democrats are big on making promises they can't deliver.

Clown,

Hoping for intelligent responses.

I knew exactly what was going to be posted, but one can hope for interesting opinions and solutions.

Hor,

"Is that what Jesus tells you, bill?
If there is a hell, I look forward to seeing you there."

That's what you posted when I said immigrants shouldn't all be treated the same.

Then you went on to tell me,

"You don't deserve an intelligent response, and wouldn't know it you heard one anyway."

I know enough to know yours wasn't intelligent.

Why should all immigrants be treated the same?

And you think you'll see me in hell?

If you are there like you predict, you'll be with your peers.

I won't see me there.

My point was what did Obama think was going to happen to these people he kept extending their TCP status without also providing a solution.

They were being given special accommodations without a full plan to residency.

I partially blame Obama.

Zed,

"None of this hurt was possible without you."

Biden began reversing Trump's immigration policies immediately, including "Remain in Mexico."

Border Patrol encounters then reached record levels during Biden's presidency.

You have a lot of nerve calling anyone stupid while ignoring the decisions made by the administration Democrats supported.

Trump is responsible for his decisions. Biden and the Democrats who supported his policies are responsible for theirs.

Zed,

"You people have cattle cars reserved for all of us."

Do you actually think conservatives want people loaded into train cars, taken to camps, gassed, and their bodies burned?

That bears no resemblance to what I or other conservatives I know believe.

If we won't agree with your border policies, suddenly we're Nazis with cattle cars waiting?

I find many of the values you defend abhorrent. But disagreeing with you about immigration or morality does not mean I want you imprisoned or killed.

America is deeply divided. But those disagreements do not justify your Nazi comparisons.

What have I actually said that gives you any basis for including me in that accusation?

Without something to support that accusation, all you have is character assassination.

You don't get to invent something monstrous, assign it to me, and then act like I owe you an explanation.

Dan,

"The only acceptable solution would be to make Haiti safe for folks who fled. A mere impossibility.
And you blame Obama for that."

No. That's not what I said.

Making Haiti safe was not the only possible solution. Congress could have passed legislation giving eligible Haitian TPS recipients a path to permanent residency.

Obama's administration granted them temporary protection and renewed it for years. I think securing a lasting arrangement for those people should have been a higher priority.

Yes, Obama supported broader immigration reform. Congress shares responsibility for failing to deliver it. He couldn't do it alone.

But he left office without a permanent solution for these Haitians. Their future still depended on whether subsequent administrations would continue renewing their temporary protection.

What did Obama expect would happen to these people if a future administration stopped extending it?

That is what I'm criticizing. In my opinion, Obama dropped the ball on securing a lasting solution.

Trump is responsible for his decisions. But he shouldn't get all the blame for a situation Obama and Congress failed to resolve.

Congress could have addressed Haitian TPS recipients through a targeted law without overhauling the entire immigration system.

Hor,

And some people on this site want Trump killed.

So let's not focus on the fringe kooks.

Alex,

"Your party is run by the fringe kooks, you bozo."

Ummmm...have you looked around your own party lately?

Alex,

"The ---- sandwich you are eating is of your own creation."

You don't know yet how things will turn out.

Don't be so eager for things to go wrong.

Alex,

"Your republican kook party runs all three branches of the government."

I'm glad you've made your position clear.

If Republicans get all the blame when things go wrong, remember that when things go right.

I'll remind you of this when Democrats start trying to take the credit.

Alex,

As if Democrats can do anything except buy votes with promises of more free stuff.

That is the current state of affairs.

Alex,

"You hate Muslims."

No.

There is room in America for Muslims and every other religion.

I just don't think any religion needs to turn public spaces into a religious spectacle.

Clown,

How do you troll a thread you started yourself?

I've never heard of that one.

Dan,

"And, once again, you ignore any blame for anyone with an (R) after their name, and look instead for the closest person with a (D)."

And once again you are lying.

Try actually reading the posts instead of blowing it out your --------.

Zed,

"Donald Trump is the most hated man in the world. He is analogous to Hitler in 1945"

So he's no longer the anti-Christ?

Dan,

"In regard to voter fraud, do you believe ..."

The earlier topic wasn't so much about individual voters as it was about whether states are adequately checking who gets onto their voter rolls.

My classroom analogy was about some classrooms allowing people to vote who weren't actually enrolled as students in the school.

Regarding US elections, simply saying "only citizens can vote" isn't enough. That requirement must be adequately enforced.

If you're asking where I suspect enforcement might be more lax, my guess would be Democratic controlled states.

Establishing whether it is correct would require examining the states actual verification procedures and enforcement records.

That is why I would support Congress passing a federal election verification law requiring states to provide voter registration records and undergo audits of voter eligibility in federal elections.

The purpose would be to verify that states are adequately enforcing eligibility requirements while leaving them responsible for running their elections.

The same requirements should apply to every state.

Dan,

Bear in mind, the voting fraud classroom analogy is separate from #62, which concerned the death of Pierre Damas Bel after he lost his TPS status where he killed himself.

The Haitian TPS policy history spans several administrations.

Obama's administration repeatedly extended Haiti's TPS protection due to the earthquake. Those extensions did not themselves establish a path to permanent residency in the long run if some chose to remain in the US. What did Obama think would happen to those people in the long run? Apparently, Obama had no plan for them.

Biden's administration extended protection again in 2024 and expanded eligibility to include newer arrivals. Bel arrived in 2024 and received TPS.

When the Trump administration ended Haiti's TPS designation, Bel lost that protection. His family connects his subsequent distress to losing TPS and being required to wear an ankle monitor where it is believed he was humiliated and was no longer eligible for sports or ROTC.

An ongoing path to permanent residency enacted earlier by Congress could potentially have covered later recipients like him, depending on its requirements.

That is the question about the lack of long term planning on Obama's part I am raising.

Dan,

In other words, Trump doesn't bear all the blame for the boy walking into traffic to commit suicide.

A little foresight on Obama's part could have eliminated all that.

Alex,

"Some assembly required."

May be incomplete...sold as-is.

Bell,

"Please tell the class what the "T" of TPS stands for."

Tell that to the family of the boy.

So what it was extended over and over and Obama left them hanging at the end of his term.

Why should the boy think he was still protected?

Ankle bracelet?

Where they out of shackles that day?

Dan,

I've already said (over and over) that I hold both Democrats and Republicans responsible for the boy's death.