Lol

Everything out of this administration is a lie

Part of the problem is that right-wing propaganda has overtaken this country.

Serious public debates or discussions have to start from a place of constantly correcting the lies and misinformation, disinformation, propaganda and distortions that emanate from the right-wing swamp on a constant basis.

YES, the left has a similar yet INFINITELY small problem with this and I would argue that their "propaganda" is within what should be a normal public discourse.

What should be a public discourse on issues, a debate between liberal and conservative views has to start with and expend most of its energy on refuting the constant pile of BS coming from the right.

There are, without a doubt, legitimate positions that conservatives hold and can and should be honestly considered. But when the starting position for ANY topic is the lie of the day by President Piggy or the dishonest propaganda spewed by Fox or OANN or a host of right wing "influencers" combined with the confusion of "news" and "opinion" that is a recipe for disaster and the destruction of journalism.

At best left leaning news organizations must be louder to become part of the discourse, louder being more extreme or more "edgy" to get clicks.

It is difficult to have a public discourse when basic reality is not agreed upon. Right-wing media and the neo fascist republican party has successfully called into question actual reality (at least for a substantial portion of the populace).

And it is extremely corrosive. I have otherwise practical and intelligent people posting memes about celebrities eating ------- babies and when called out about it say "Maybe, anything is possible" No, it is not possible. When average Americans lack the critical thinking skills that is a problem.

This is the only point that can actually be construed as a criticism of those within the MSM. What's glaringly missing is any criticism of the biased way in which the MSM covers the news or their sharp drop in basic journalistic standards. The very things that have caused own ongoing erosion in trust.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger

The death of journalistic standards is due to

1. The death of the fairness doctrine-which allowed the propaganda of right-wing neo-fascists to be spewed endlessly.
2. Change in economic foundation of media organizations forcing the news arms of many outlets to become profit center, or the massive reduction in subscriptions to news entities or the atomization of the customer base due to the internet.
3. The dumbing down of the American populace.

The only blame that can be truly assigned to the journalists themselves is the inability to counter the lies, misinformation, disinformation and propaganda spewed by the right-wing media system enabled by online trolls.

There has ALWAYS been bias in the news. Journalists today have to fight a far more powerful anti-knowledge neo-fascist propaganda machine to get the attention of morons over the efforts of scum and trolls.

Journalists have a bias to reality.

Are they perfect? No, but the damage is cause infinitely more by the anti-reality neo fascists than any supposed left-wing bias.

Jeff is a self-admitted troll that bemoans the loss of reputation by journalism

The hypocrisy (the lack of self-awareness) is something to behold if you think about it.

Just a fact or 2

Fox lied about the 2020 election being stolen including the Fulton Co. GA election office

Fox KNOWINGLY lied

Guiliani lost a liable suit to the tune of millions of dollars for workers at the Fulton Co. GA election office.

Fox had to pay 3/4 billion dollars to the voting machine company because of the lies

5+ years on President Piggy is raiding Fulton Co. election offices over those exact same lies.

Yet, here we are, those lies still get play, still are spewed by the right wing media apparatus

Yet all media are painted with this broad brush of disreputation.

Yet it is not the NBC or the NYT or CNN which is the root problem it is Fox and Piggy and the rest of the right wing media swamp

hey jeff have you read the National Review's take on Piggy's corruption?

It is like Piggy's corruption. yes both sides have a problem yet the right wing is FAR FAR FAR worse, by orders of magnitude

Did you take a class on how to come up with absurd and ridiculous false equivalencies?

#31 | Posted by BellRinger

Actually, it is spot on.

Modern journalism is in a death spiral (or more accurately in the midst of a colossal upheaval.

Numerous market factors are reducing the income for news agencies undermining their ability to perform actual journalism.

A decades long propaganda effort and a constant spew of lies from Piggy on down to Jeffj are undermining the credibility of journalists

Modern news agencies are often forced to cater (to remain economically feasible) to the lowest common denominator for click bait or to express apparent fairness between reality and the right wing insanity (instead of just calling lies lies-or be criticized as biased) or switching to an editorial based news program

The fact of the matter is most legitimate news agencies are expressing reality and continue to report facts. It is the onslaught of lies from Piggy to Jeff that get a more and more fractured audience incapable of critical thinking that have caused the reputational damage

My biggest criticism of them is that they have not found a viable counter to the constant lies and misinformation and disinformation and lies and propaganda spewed at them on a minute by minute basis.