They were not obligated to ---- around. They chose to.

#90 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

They were protesting against the inhumane treatment of other humans. They were not "------- around".

Re 91

thank you. Did not edit that well.

It's like driving. You don't just get to drive because you want to drive. And I'm sure you can agree that police should not be able to grant drivers the right to drive without valid credentials, just because they are good drivers.

POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Sure ... just like driving?!

Driving violations are civil infractions. Hmm just like most immigration violations!

Drivers who violate traffic laws are not arrested beaten thrown in detention centers separated from their families and children and then sent to a country they have never been in and cannot even speak the language.

Most Immigrants are humans trapped by the human condition and do not deserve to be treated like animals and locked in cages.

Correction re 87:

Renee Goode (typo)

You think ICE agents are emotionally involved in the arrests they make?

You don't think the adrenaline is pumping?

Renee Goodman

Alex Petti

Watch the videos. See the emotions.

The policy of hate revenge and retribution comes from the top.

And trickles down to the troops. You should know this.

Re 80

We don't have to even go back that far. We only have to go back to 50s with the Bracero Program when actively sought immigrants from Mexico.

The program brought millions of Mexican guest workers to the United States for short-term agricultural contracts to fill critical labor shortages.

The program reached its absolute highest volume during the 1950s, bringing in over 400,000 legal workers annually by the middle of the decade.

"It's always been closed."

No it has not. And I think I see what you mean by "close. Closed to immigrants.

We have had different immigration policies at different times in our history. You chose one.

I chose another ... which easily proves you wrong.

Early leaders viewed an open-door policy as vital to building a new nation. The Homestead Act of 1862 actively solicited European immigrants by granting cheap land tracts to settlers. Shortly after, Congress passed the Act to Encourage Immigration of 1864 to meet severe labor shortages during the Civil War.

It's always been closed.

The border is not closed.

What does "closed" mean? Traffic is going thru the border right now. So it's obviously not "closed".

somehow afforded to come to the US.

#74 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Fear for your life and the life of your children will make you do things you never thought you could do.

It's just curious why they choose an illegal path, when so many legal ones exist.

Not curious at all.

Because it's a lie that "so many" legal paths exist and you either know it or are an ignant fool.

Even the legal paths that still exist are no longer safe paths in America. You can be detained and deported while AT THE COURTHOUSE. While filing legal documents. Attempting to follow a "legal path". And you sit there and "wonder"? Immigrants don't wonder at all. They know. And respond accordingly.

Between late 2024 and the end of 2025, the administration stripped protections"such as Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and humanitarian parole"from over 1.5 million immigrants who had previously entered through legal means.

What incentive do immigrants have to follow "legal paths" when they will just be arrested when they show up to the court house?

Hate cruelty and revenge and retribution are not democratic policies.

Do you propose the US adopt and open-border policy?

#58 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Aren't the borders open now?

I ask you to define what "open borders" means specifically. Otherwise we cannot discuss it reasonably.

You do know that (immigration policy and law) is the job of the United States Congress. Right?

Which refuses or is incapable of doing its job. And the latest weak effort was completely blocked by Trumpy and his "policy". For political purposes.

A policy of hate and cruelty and revenge and retribution.

Great frigging policy eh?

Why not go to one of the other 39?

I don't live and vote in the other 39 countries. For a reason.

This America. We set the example for those countries. Correction: We USED to set an example.

We used to set the standard for what a democracy and human compassion should look like for those other 39 countries and everyone else on earth.

Not any more. Obviously.

Because Trumpy "changed the policy". And you are loving it. But safely from a distance. Apparently.

What congressional bill did you vote on directly?
Who do you vote for when voting for a President? Do you think your vote directly elects a President?

What a magatard. You are talking federal representative Democracy (still a democratic process).
I live in a State.

Of course we don't vote directly on congressional bills. We vote for representatives that vote for the bills.

But in California we can vote directly on laws.

It's called an initiatives and propositions.

Let me school you on California democracy wannabe commie spyboy. Not all democracies are equal.

The initiative is the process in California that allows the electors (hello that's me!) to propose legislation and compel the legislature or the full electorate to vote on the measure.

A referendum is the power of the electors ( hello that also Me!) to approve or reject all or parts of certain types of statutes.

Both the initiative and the referendum process are methods of direct democracy.

Propositions are the proposed legislation for either the initiative or the referendum.