WaPo: Drug Boat Survivors Were Killed

"The order was to kill everybody."

Besides USSCEDEF Pete Hegseth, these three monsters below have uttered those same callous words, whether the targets were Venezuelans, Palestinians, or Ukrainians.

Dummkopf Trumpf has a lot of catching up to do with Benjamin Netanyahu and Vladimir Putin in terms of amassing huge body counts, but the Grim Reaper will harvest thousands of people in the US and abroad without drones or bombs because of malnutrition, lack of medical care, and disease, all caused by the "Big Beautiful Bill" and dismantling USAID.

Trumpf did kill a few 'Brownies' in Somalia with an expensive air strike yesterday.

Both Trump amd Hegseth seem to idolize war criminals to the point of fetishizing them. It's probably due to feelings of inadequacy about their "manliness," for which they frequently attempt to compensate (usually to hilarious effect).

Unfortunately for the chances of these goons ever facing justice, there's a AWOL majority in Congress, that nutty SCOTUS created immunity and Old Senescent's tiny paw within reach of the automatic pardon power pen all working on behalf of the weak and cruel.

I wonder what will happen if US troops get caught invading Venezuela?

Lewzer screeching, "GENEVA CONVENTIONS!!!!! INTERNATIONAL LAW!!!! WAR CRIMINAL!!!!"?

We prosecuted Nazi uboat commanders for this exact action

Everyone in the chain of command should be prosecuted from hegseth to the man or woman pulling the trigger these orders are blatantly illegal

"Dummkopf Trumpf risks an arrest warrant being issued for him after he imposed sanctions on the International Criminal Court (ICC), a top British human rights lawyer has warned.

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws, director of the International Bar Association's Institute of Human Rights, argued that Article 70 of the Rome Statute forbids the obstruction of justice.

The Labor peer advised the House of Lords that, under this law, no officer of the ICC can be impeded in carrying out their duties."

This peer was awarded 42 honorary degrees.

Now the ICC has this Murder-Death-Kill of defenseless Venezuelans to investigate.

Source: www.independent.co.uk

**** AMCIT Found Stabbed to Death in Trinidad and Tobago ****

The US Embassy had warned Americans in Trinidad and Tobago of potential danger as the two islands sit just off the coast of Venezuela and anti-American agitation is fermenting.

While too early say, this has all the earmarks of an angry assailant whacking an innocent American because of Dummkopf Trumpf, the anti-Jimmy Carter.

Source: www.foxnews.com

Pickled Pete will flee the country once the Dems take control of Congress and Nuremberg 2.0 starts. Lots of fascists will be fleeing.

*** US Marines Fixing Radar at Airport in Trinidad and Tobago ***

Trinidad and Tobago PM Kamla Persad-Bissessar met Wednesday with CJCS Gen. Dan Caine who traveled there.

The FAA recently issued a warning to avoid air space in nearby Venezuela.

www.piarcoairport.com

apnews.com

US Marines Fixing Radar at Airport in Trinidad and Tobago

The radar on the $14 Billion USS Ford and it's E-2D Advanced Hawkeye AWACS isn't good enough?

I've been retired for many years, so things may have changed in the Order of Battle and managing combat airspace. The USN Seabees were the ones that helped build, construct, or repair structures ashore while the US Marines posted guard.

The USMC personnel at the island's airport might be Combat Controllers.

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*** Dummkopf Trumpf Spoke With Nicolas Maduro ***

The morbidly obese stroke-ridden dotard misruling the US and Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro had a phone call where they discussed a possible meeting as the US continued to threaten military action against the country.

Meanwhile, US Secretary of War Crimes Pete "Hic!" Hegseth boasted on social media: "We have only just begun to kill narco-terrorists." (1845 HRS 28 Nov 2025)

Source: www.dailymail.co.uk

"Immunity will do that."

Immunity? From whom.

If I were Hegseth, I would be keeping my head down and causing as few waves as possible. He seems to be intent on bringing Mark Kelly back on duty to face charges under the UCMJ or other legal statues. Pete Hegseth is also a retired military officer, whom I would think could be court martialed in the next administration for any number of things, including the killing of distressed combatants.

If the Commander's intent was to "destroy" the target, this makes sense. This term has a very specific meaning, implying that the target is rendered in such a way that it would be impossible to reconstitute it. Even sinking a ship doesn't destroy it, as it could be refloated and put back into service.

In Afghanistan and Syria, there were times when bombs were dropped on a target because there was a little bit of wall left after a previous strike. So doctrinally, it had not been destroyed.

#16 MadBomber

The US is looking at a psyop.

Timeline of a eventst:

1) a JSOC kill strike is ordered on an authorized target. Not a capture strike, a kill strike.
2) The story is leaked. A leak from JSOC? The Washington Post begins writing the story, remember Wapo is banned from Pentagon.
3) a Soros-funded NGO puts billboards up encouraging military personnel to report unlawful orders ... although there are no unlawful orders identified.
4) out of nowhere, the Six - delivers to social media a "don't give up the ship" video - a PSA to all personnel to refuse unlawful orders.
5) Senator Slotkin, the former CIA ghoul, goes on the news and is very careful to state that she can't identify any unlawful orders that have been given.
6) BAM, the WaPo delivers the story claiming unlawful orders.
7) Friday evening, everyone on the Drudge - with paid amplification - about the unlawful orders.
8) the Sunday shows will be filled with calls for war crimes charges, impeachments, and resignations.
All a coincidence, right? None of it was coordinated, right?

#18 Have you always been into fiction writing, onepigironsmoothbrainaut?

If they gave the order to kill everyone they committed war crimes, simple Murders actually.

It makes me feel ill to be American about now.

No Honor, No Sense of Justice, Sick Losers killing because they Can.

How is that any better than Hamas, ISIS,or Russia?

The difference being that Hamas actually has Reasons. They actually Are Resisting true Oppression.

Pete Hegseth,and Donald Trump?

Just Criminals on a Tear.

No Justification for them.

NONE.

What Hegseth and Trump did is exactly like:

1) German U-Boats machine-gunning the survivors of a torpedoed ship.

2) Japanese fighter pilots killing American fliers as they hung from parachutes.

oneironaut----

Is a pig for defending this sort of heinous crime.

All a coincidence, right? None of it was coordinated, right?
#18 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Projection is confession.

Spy craft is a skill as well as an art. I can see you have some experience with psyops.

Thanks for explaining to us in detail how you would do it Commie Spyboy.

**** Dummkopf Trumpf Declares All Airspace Over Venezuela Closed ****

The morbidly obese orange obscenity occupying a half-demolished White House brayed a warning on social media that the airspace above and near Venezuela should be considered closed.

"To all Airlines, Pilots, Drug Dealers, and Human Traffickers, please consider THE AIRSPACE ABOVE AND SURROUNDING VENEZUELA TO BE CLOSED IN ITS ENTIRETY. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

Source: Muder-Death-Kill Coming

Murder-Death-Kill continues from Vladimir Putin, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Dummkopf Trumpf, the 21st-century Axis of Evil.

And the hardworking American taxpayer watches his money being wasted on killing Palestinians and soon, many Venezuelans.

The Judeo-Christian holidays are right around the corner.

Drugs my @$$... it's about imposing a military presence in the most oil-rich nation in the Americas.

Drugs my @$$... it's about imposing a military presence in the most oil-rich nation in the Americas.

#25 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2025-11-29 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag: Yup.

Drugs, huh? Then why is the morbidly obese orange obscenity pardoning a narco-trafficking kingpin?

Do MAGAts really believe Trumpf's horse manure?

Xu Xinghu and his wife Zhu Ying, and Shao Yunhuan were victims and nobody went to jail including the one responsible for their deaths, the CiC.

Dec 12, 2013, a wedding procession that was bringing the bride and family members to the groom's hometown were attacked. United States aerial drone launched four Hellfire missiles on a convoy of 11 cars and pickup trucks during a counterterrorism operation in rural Yemen. The strike killed at least 12 men and wounded at least 15 others, 6 of them seriously.

No one went to jail including the person responsible,the CiC.

Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike

Nobody went to jail including the person responsible,the CiC.

On this day, four years ago, police officers were brutally assaulted while bravely defending the United States Capitol. They were punched, tackled, tased, and attacked with chemical agents that burned their eyes and skin. Today, I am thinking of the officers who still bear the scars of that day as well as the loved ones of the five officers who lost their lives in the line of duty as a result of what happened to them on January 6, 2021.

The------------------- responsible for these deaths is still stinking up the White House.

This is what happens to poor fisherman. If you are the former Pres of Honduras serving 45 years for major arms and cocaine trafficking, Trump gives you a Pardon instead.

And #31 and his unconscious ilk are just fine with that.

Add ordering murder to the list of things they Trump should be impeached for.

Things that never happened, things that a communist would say, things that never happened that a communist agitator paid by Soros would say! Ding $500.

#34

What a desperate dingbat rwinger would say.

Don't you have some domestic terrorism on your To Do List today?

Re 34

That ivermectin is kicking in strong now.

Someone take his keys.

I guess the 6 dems video asking soldiers to disobey unlawful orders isn't so pointless, is it jeff?

think could be court martialed in the next administration for any number of things, including the killing of distressed combatants.

#16 | Posted by madbomber

They're not god damned ------- combatants they are innocent Venezuelan citizens in a boat.

This is ------- murder and everyone should be tried for it.

The illegality is so ------- obvious

The commanders who obeyed these illegal orders are gonna need autopen pardons.

"Joint Special Operations Command, or JSOC, reported to the White House that the "double-tap," or follow-on strike, was intended to sink the boat and remove a possible hazard to other ships, and not to kill survivors, and a similar explanation was given to lawmakers in closed-door briefings."
If the Commander's intent was to "destroy" the target, this makes sense. This term has a very specific meaning, implying that the target is rendered in such a way that it would be impossible to reconstitute it. Even sinking a ship doesn't destroy it, as it could be refloated and put back into service.
In Afghanistan and Syria, there were times when bombs were dropped on a target because there was a little bit of wall left after a previous strike. So doctrinally, it had not been destroyed.

#17 | Posted by madbomber

Blah blah blahtedy blah

Heinz-Wilhelm Eck [Nazi} and his crew
Trial: A British military court in Hamburg.
Charges and conviction: Convicted of war crimes for killing the survivors of the torpedoed Greek steamer Peleus in 1944. Eck was the commander of U-852.
Sentence: Eck and his officers were convicted and sentenced to death.

We did the exact ------- same thing. Everyone in the chain of command should be tried for murder ---- these people, ---- the cowards not disobeying blatantly illegal orders

FOR ----- SAKE THE WHOLE ------- OPERATION IS ILLEGAL

PRESIDENT PIGGY WAS REQUIRED BY US LAW TO STOP KILLING PEOPLE AFTER 60 DAYS AND GET CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL

HE DID NOT

EVERY ------- BOMB DROPPED IS ILLEGAL

---- PRESIDENT PIGGY AND ---- HIS WAR

The illegality is so ------- obvious

They could have killed all these people and no one would have even known about it.

The only reason it's in the news is Lewzer's inherent need to brag about what a "tough guy" he is.

en.wikipedia.org

The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds each of the House and Senate, overriding the veto of President Richard Nixon.

Even by President Piggy's own logic every killing is illegal.

---- President Piggy and ---- his war

Every single solitary order to expend force on a boat in the Caribbean is illegal.

Every ------- one of them

There is ZERO justification for obeying these orders

ZERO

Everyone in the chain of command from Hegseth to the man or woman pulling the trigger should be tried for murder

President Piggy is immune from prosecution but should be impeached

TODAY

This is so ------- obvious.

#39

If they get US pardons, the next administration needs to ship them to The Hague for trial.

Or hand them over to Venezuela, that would work too.

And it doesn't just need to be the commander. Extradite everybody involved in that chain of command, including the grunt who pulled the trigger. It needs to be made VERY clear to US troops that obeying illegal orders is a crime.

Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike

Nobody went to jail including the person responsible,the CiC.

#29 | POSTED BY PETROUS

The "Baghtu wedding party airstrike" was an accident. It was not the intended target.

While pursuing the "bad guys" they apparently responded to and interpreted celebratory gunshots from the ground as hostile fire.

This attack on Venezuelan civilians was intended. They were not responding to any aggressive behavior from the crew of the boat.

You do know the difference right?

It is a War Crime to kill a disabled combatant under the Geneva Conventions if they are hors de combat and not a threat. The conventions prohibit attacks on wounded or sick combatants who are unable to defend themselves and are abstaining from hostile acts.

It's always interesting to come here and see what in shape the right will twist a pretzel to justify an one of Trumps actions.

They are not combatants
They are not terrorists
There is no AUMF
There is no imminent threat
The boats are not armed
The victims are civilians
Drug smuggling (if they are even doing that) is not a capital crime
If they are shipwrecked that is another level of murder

Just need to keep things in perspective

Look at the Ukrainians crippling Russian oil tankers. They are not specifically targeting the Russian sailors in blood-thirsty fashion like our salivating US Secretary of War Crimes Pete Hellsbreath who is worshipping at the altar of Kali.

"They're not god damned ------- combatants they are innocent Venezuelan citizens in a boat."

They are?

The US Intelligence Community has chosen to share with you the identities of the occupants and contents of the boats that were blown up?

Your security clearance must be higher than mine.

When I was still in the game, most of our targets in Afghanistan were narcotics labs that were linked to funding Anti-Coalition Militias. Read: Taliban.

They were all determined to be legal targets through legal review.

"Blah blah blahtedy blah"

Do you think this is what a lawyer would say in a trial against Hegseth or anyone involved in the strikes?

Maybe you should just know your place, champ.

"They were all determined to be legal targets through legal review."

Do you believe the same vigorous reviews are happening under Trump and Hegseth?

- through legal review.

Your confidence in the quality of Trump appointee legal review under Drunky Pete is... pretty funny.

But, I will say, you can damn sure dance for them!

www.youtube.com

"They were all determined to be legal targets"

So is Maduro. They made up a fake terrorist organization, and then decreed that he is the head of it.

Maduro is no prize; he rigged an election, too, and the people don't really want him, but Trump isn't playing Hero here, he's just showing other countries that he can bully whomever he wants and flaunt whatever international laws he wants.

I think that Bowie video is AI, cork. Can't find the lyrics anywhere.

Maduro is no prize

Good bet that whoever Lewzer has picked out to replace him isn't either.

Trumpers:
Is this how you want Americans treated in international waters or abroad?

Re 48

Trump has declared he has the right to do this because they are terrorists.

So ...

If the Mad King declares it is a war on terror then this is a war crime.

Otherwise it's just plain murder.

And he's just proving to you that he can shoot someone and not lose any voters.

In January 2016, during his presidential campaign, Donald Trump stated he could "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" and not lose any voters, to emphasize the extreme loyalty of his supporters.

We found our "Fifth Avenue".

They were all determined to be legal targets through legal review.
#50 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER A

Not even going to get into whether this administration is trustworthy but the obvious issue with your position is

Cartels aren't terrorists

Of course we don't even know they are cartel members

Every order is illegal and everyone should be afraid of a life in pris

Blah blah blahtedy blah"

Do you think this is what a lawyer would say in a trial against Hegseth or anyone involved in the strikes?

Maybe you should just know your place, champ.

#51 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT

They killed shipwrecked seamen

The same thing Nazis did

Everything else is rationalization

Was the order signed with the auto-pen so we don't really know who authorized it?

They were all determined to be legal targets through legal review.
#50 | Posted by madbomber

Were you laughing when you wrote that?
Have you seen what passes as lawyers with Trump? Saul Goodman looks competent and ethical compared to MAGA lawyers.

Was the order signed...

Probably not.

Visitor, you're so clever! The signature thing! That's so hilarious! Who cares about morals when you can trot out the nonsense about the auto-pen that every president uses?

You win, big guy. You win the internet! Take a fricking victory lap, chief.

LOL. you Dems told us a few months ago that these were fishing boats! so now you admit that they are drug taffickers! and, you are taking their side!

unbelievable

We arrest drug traffickers, we don't commit cold-blooded group murder on them.

Or we didn't until a Cult took over America.

LOL. you Dems told us a few months ago that these were fishing boats! so now you admit that they are drug taffickers! and, you are taking their side!

unbelievable

#66 | POSTED BY MAVERICK AT

We don't know who they are

We do know that nothing president piggy accuses them of justifies their murder

President piggy told the beautician he sent to an office l Salvadoran gulag and a man with ms 13 photo shopped on his hands were the worst gang members imaginable

Maverick has us by the balls, you guys! We prevaricated!

I doubt any of you have noticed, but I'm no longer engaging in legitimate debate with MAGA, and I suggest you do the same. It's why I don't come here as often as I used to. Conservatives lost their minds once the "tea party" weirdos showed up.

Eff em. They're not serious. They're not capable of learning. They're not patriots. They're not decent human beings. Stop trying to reason with them.

"The US defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, has declared recent reporting that he may have illegally ordered all people to be killed in a military strike in the Caribbean as "fake news" on Friday evening, adding that the series of strikes of people on boats had been "lawful under both US and international law".

www.theguardian.com

are Venezuela boat bombings legal under US and international law?

AI Overview
Under general expert consensus and the view of the United Nations, U.S. "boat bombings" against vessels near Venezuela are not considered legal under both U.S. and international law.

The Trump administration, however, has argued they are lawful under a claim of "armed conflict" with drug cartels.

www.google.com

"Venezuela calls Trump airspace closure warning 'colonialist threat'"

www.bbc.com

great headline

The Trump administration, however, has argued they are lawful under a claim of "armed conflict" with drug cartels.

Let's be clear IF this was an armed conflict (which it very well ISN"T), but let's say it is an armed conflict

President Piggy needs congressional authorization for force

Full Stop

EVERY SINGLE BOMB dropped is illegal.

Know your Place, Champ....

Know yer Plaaace.

Know it.

You better Know your Place.

Madbomber's walkin' the Drudge Retort Beat.

Schoolin' the Trolls.

"Do you believe the same vigorous reviews are happening under Trump and Hegseth?"

When I was doing this, there were expansive legal reviews at multiple levels to ensure that the target was a valid military target and any action against it complied with both the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law. That legal review would be handed off to the General Officer who would approve or disapprove the strikes. Ultimately, it was that star who would hold responsibility.

And I never was in a situation where the SECDEF personally ordered a strike. I have to make the assumption that the process has not changed all that much since I stopped doing this stuff, but prima facie it looks as if there may not be the type of vetting I did going on anymore.

"Cartels aren't terrorists"

They have been declared terrorist organizations by the US government as of 20 Feb 2025. What I don't know is whether or not they have been declared hostile combatants, which would be the next step in approving lethal actions against them.

They have been declared terrorist organizations by the US government

They could do the same thing to the Vatican. Doesn't actually make them terrorists.

"President Piggy needs congressional authorization for force"

This is what I think is going to earn Major Pete a prison sentence in 2028. And maybe a few other people.

I can't say for certain, but I don't think I would have followed any of these strike orders without a lawyer standing beside me and signed documentation that the strikes were legal IAW the Genevan Conventions and IHL. Other than ISIS, I never really liked killing anything. I don't even kill bugs. And it may make some people uncomfortable, but I even had a grudging respect for the Taliban. But personal feelings have no place in a conflict. If they do, that's OK, but you need to find another job.

"They could do the same thing to the Vatican. Doesn't actually make them terrorists."

The designation of cartels is different because it was done through executive order. Which means it can be un-done. Which is yet another reason I think Hegseth and Trump could face prosecution in the future. Its also why Admiral Alvin Holsey, head of US Sothern Command, quit last month. Given the choice, I would take retirement as an Admiral over prison any day.

It does not appear to me that either Trump or Hegseth is aware of the scope of the trouble that may be coming their way.

The designation of cartels is different because it was done through executive order.

Does that still make it "the US Government"?

"Does that still make it "the US Government"?"

Traditionally, designation of an organization as a terrorist group has been an interagency effort led by State Department.

"Do you believe the same vigorous reviews are happening under Trump and Hegseth?"
When I was doing this, there were expansive legal reviews at multiple levels to ensure that the target was a valid military target and any action against it complied with both the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law. That legal review would be handed off to the General Officer who would approve or disapprove the strikes. Ultimately, it was that star who would hold responsibility.
And I never was in a situation where the SECDEF personally ordered a strike. I have to make the assumption that the process has not changed all that much since I stopped doing this stuff, but prima facie it looks as if there may not be the type of vetting I did going on anymore.
#76 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-11-30 03:44 AM

Glenn Kirschner - Pete Hegseth's "Kill Them All" Order Constitutes a War Crime!
203,931 views Nov 29, 2025 All the "King's" Men: Trump's lackeys and their disservice to America

The Washington Post just reported: "Hegseth order on first Caribbean boat strike, officials say" Kill them all." Hegseth's order, and the resulting murders in international waters, violates domestic law, international law, and the law of war.

A statement just issued by the "Former JAGs Working Group" concludes that the killings carried out on Hegseth's orders "are war crimes."

I sat down for a discussion about this latest development with law professor, military law expert, and member of the Former JAGs Working Group Dan Maurer.

While Twoothy may actually be correct I'm still pointing and laughing at his theatrics.

Traditionally, designation of an organization as a terrorist group has been an interagency effort led by State Department.

So, no. They have just been declared terrorist organizations by Lewzer alone.

t does not appear to me that either Trump or Hegseth is aware of the scope of the trouble that may be coming their way.

#81 | Posted by madbomber

To be perfectly clear. President Piggy has absolute immunity from prosecution for these murders (at least under American law).

You beginning to understand the abomination the supreme court gave us?

"Do you believe the same vigorous reviews are happening under Trump and Hegseth?"
When I was doing this, there were expansive legal reviews at multiple levels to ensure that the target was a valid military target and any action against it complied with both the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law. That legal review would be handed off to the General Officer who would approve or disapprove the strikes. Ultimately, it was that star who would hold responsibility.
And I never was in a situation where the SECDEF personally ordered a strike. I have to make the assumption that the process has not changed all that much since I stopped doing this stuff, but prima facie it looks as if there may not be the type of vetting I did going on anymore.

#76 | Posted by madbomber

www.cnn.com

"To be perfectly clear. President Piggy has absolute immunity from prosecution for these murders (at least under American law)."

Really?

I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but that's like saying Goering had immunity from the crimes he committed as a member of the greater German Reich.

A movie was just recently released called Nuremburg. I haven't seen it. I don't need to.

I haven't seen it. I don't need to.

I saw it. Goering said the only reason he was in prison was because they lost the war.

"To be perfectly clear. President Piggy has absolute immunity from prosecution for these murders (at least under American law)."
Really?
I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but that's like saying Goering had immunity from the crimes he committed as a member of the greater German Reich.
A movie was just recently released called Nuremburg. I haven't seen it. I don't need to.

#89 | Posted by madbomber

You don't know what the SC decided, do you?

I am SOOOOO tired of debating the ignorant.

Go educate yourself and come back

"Go educate yourself and come back"

The strange thing here, I think you and I are in agreement. I've been posting here since 2005 I think, and I'll probably be doing do for quite a while longer. If I had to make a bet, I would bet that Hegseth will be in prison sometime within the next six years. It's less likely, but not outside the realm of possibility that trump will as well. This isn't really your area of expertise so far as I know, but it is something I've done for a while. The Supreme Court has no say in INL or the GC. It is possible that future administrations would refuse to prosecute either individual, or their subordinates, but they would be tethered to the US forever. And I have a sneaking suspicion that the next administration will want to purge the government of Trumpists in the same way Khruschev purged Stalinists.

President Piggy is absolutely immune from the "core functions" of his office and I don't think any argument could be made that military affairs like this are part of his core functions. Therefore, ANY crime he commits he is immune from prosecution.

That is the problem identified when the SC made their decision.

As far as international law, I don't think it in the realm of possibility that any international entity will prosecute a US president either in office or out of office.

As far as the purges go, that is just another aspect of the damage that President Piggy has enacted. We will be facing complete purges of the government every 4-8 years. that is no way to run a government.

I don't think any argument could be made that military affairs like this AREN'T part of his core functions.

"I have to make the assumption that the process has not changed all that much"

Under Trump, and Pickled Pete?!? You're joking, right?

Do you think "kill them all" is fake news?

Accidents. That's the democrat answer?

Killed innocents when Clinton bombed the Chinese Embassy.

Killed innocents when Obama killed twice innocent people in 2008 and 2013.

Civilian casualties from the United States drone strikes...Wikipedia

There's a freaking page covering all the innocents killed.

Trump shouldn't be doing this and neither should all the past Presidents.

We haven't had a declaration of war since WWII, but there have been acts of war nonstop for decades.

There hasn't been a single President held criminally responsible for any innocent death. Civilly the US has paid off a few families.

When the next Dem or Rep becomes President, be sure there will be many more.

BTW, the US doesn't care about the ICC as the US didn't sign off on it and won't enforce it. There isn't a country that can do it against the US either. Our own voter problem

My error. Bush was pres in 2008

So because B. Hussein did it, you're totally cool with Trump doing it?

Whats else did B. Hussein do that you would support Trump doing, you silly cultist?!?!! Hahaha!!!

#96 Equivocation is just so easy... Right, Stromatolites?

President Donald Trump expressed confidence today that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth did not order a second strike on a suspected drug boat in the Caribbean earlier this year after the first strike did not kill everyone on board. "He said he did not say that, and I believe him 100%," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One.

So he definitely did it.

He's done; having Trump vouch for you is like an admission of guilt.

The Dems in Congress can't wait to grill him in Committee.

First thing both Trump and Hegseth did, was to make sure the lawyers who could tell them it wasn't legal to do this or that, weren't in the room and the second thing they did was start removing those who spoke up. Then there was no one to tell them it was wrong to do what they wanted.

Hegseth and a lot of his underlings in the chain of command will no doubt be facing charges.

There's a reason Trump wants gerrymandering done. Because if he loses, not only does his whims not carry through without a complaint, if voting goes the way it has shown to go but he will likely be up for impeachment yet again for the illegal acts he's been actively wanting and doing. Of course if no one brings it up then there are no charges for the actions and if they do bring it up, there's no way it carries through in congress with all branches under control of the Repubs. He loses that, he's in trouble for his unchecked actions.

The reason Hegseth doesn't want survivors, is there is no one to speak up about them not being drug runners. They've already destroyed the evidence so legal cases can't be brought up that stick. That means it's useless to bring a survivor but for charges that's been fished out of the water. According to a news outlet, the coast guard has a 20% chance of stopping a boat from drugs and finding none. That means if the same ratio holds true then 20% of those boats destroyed aren't drug runners. You certainly can't question those that were hit if they were and there's no evidence to show they were. So it's all misdirection with people dying no matter who they are. They can't even provide names of those they blew up.

Amid the fog of war, clarity is often hard to find. But, if this story is true, there is nothing unclear or ambiguous about it. Here are five crucial points:

This was either a war crime (if we believe that the killings are covered by the laws of war) or it was simply cold-blooded murder.1 Via Michael Sellers:

In the law of armed conflict, a blanket directive to kill all occupants of a vessel " regardless of status, circumstance, or capacity to resist " is known as a "no-quarter order," " and such orders are one of the oldest and clearest prohibitions in the entire body of international law. To be very clear, International law treats a no-quarter order as one of the few absolute red lines in the law of war: it is inherently illegal the moment it is spoken, regardless of circumstances. Every modern military " including the U.S. " teaches that such an order must be disobeyed immediately, because carrying it out constitutes a war crime. Full stop.

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unbelievable
#66 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

JFC you're dumb! I don't speak for Dems, but clearly the criticism against these strikes is that we don't know if they are drug traffickers transporting fentanyl that is killing hundreds of thousands of American children every year OR if they're just fishermen. The point being, even if they WERE drug traffickers killing hundreds of thousands of American children by transporting fentanyl into the United States, "double tapping" them in open water IS STILL ------- ILLEGAL you dumb ----!!!

HAHAHA!! You ------- cultists will do ANYTHING in support of your god king. How ------- pathetic you lot turned out to be!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!

While Twoothy may actually be correct I'm still pointing and laughing at his theatrics.
#85 | Posted by BellRinger

Thanks for admitting you're not a serious person, JEFF. HAHAHA!! Nice self-own!

While Twoothy may actually be correct I'm still pointing and laughing at his theatrics.
#85 | Posted by BellRinger
Thanks for admitting you're not a serious person, JEFF. HAHAHA!! Nice self-own!
#105 | Posted by rstybeach11

They are brown. He doesn't care.

In the citcle of leaders Trump likes to associate with, war crimes are a sign of strength and power but two survivors from a missile attack on the boat they were possibly transporting drugs destined for the United States just doesn't put Trump on the same level of war criminal as Putin. Trump will need to murder many more before Putin will be impressed but if he actually carries out his threat to iinvade Venezuela he could have numbers that will impress Putin!

"Dummkopf Trumpf wouldn't have wanted' second strike on Caribbean boat survivors."

Uh-huh.

Source: www.theguardian.com

Accidents. That's the democrat answer?

No. It's not the "answer" (what was the question?).

And it's not an excuse.

The point was they were all different situations to be adjudicated individually based on the evidence in each situation i.e. Apples vs Oranges.

And the Dems are not calling "the shots" so your whataboutisms are mute.

In this situation there is no excuse. There was no threat. It can't be called an accident. It was intentional. An intentional war crime/murder against disabled civilians.

The best thing they could have done was classify it top secret and then cover it up and make it go away.

But they wanted to brag about it. So.. Too late.

-In this situation there is no excuse. There was no threat. It can't be called an accident. It was intentional. An intentional war crime/murder against disabled civilians.

That's what you can call it here on the internet.....but who's really going to haul Hegseth before a Congressional committee?

-The Dems in Congress can't wait to grill him in Committee.
#101 | Posted by Corky

So, it's politics. Nothing more. That's an admittance you don't give 2 ----- about these "innocent" victims.

That's what you can call it here on the internet.....but who's really going to haul Hegseth before a Congressional committee?

I don't believe there is a statute of limitations on murder.

...

So, it's politics. Nothing more. That's an admittance you don't give 2 ----- about these "innocent" victims.

#110 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Everything is political these days. Not my plan.

For example.. it used to be that if you spoke out as a corporation you risked alienating customers. Now, you also risk alienating customers if you don't speak out. Now silence also has its costs.

Anyway that is just an admittance on your part that YOU don't give a ----.

Don't try and project your indifference to the crimes perpetrated by this criminally negligent administration onto the rest of us.

-Don't try and project your indifference to the crimes perpetrated by this criminally negligent administration onto the rest of us.

If the shoe fits. This is YOUR indifference to the law. It's 100% politics. You just said so.

Swallow it.

I believe it's very unlikely anybody could be where these boats were that was fishing or site seeing.

And you don't think otherwise. You're just pretending to give a ---- about then.

I believe it's very unlikely anybody could be where these boats were that was fishing or site seeing.

And you don't think otherwise. You're just pretending to give a ---- about then.

#112 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Of course it's political. The POTUS ordered these strikes.

What I care about is the law. I have to follow it. So should everyone else. That includes the president. And ICE. And the military. And the police.

And even if they were drug runners (sans evidence) that does not justify these non judicial executions.

And I don't support murdering anyone in cold blood. Period.

And you revealing that you don't care ... so obviously no one really cares reflects poorly on your morals. Not anyone else's.

A movie was just recently released called Nuremburg. I haven't seen it. I don't need to.

#89 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You really should watch it.

Very timely.

Same with The American Revolution by Ken Burns.

History may not exactly repeat itself but it certainly rhymes with itself.

"And I don't support murdering anyone in cold blood. Period."

I don't support littering.

Does that matter?

"non judicial executions."

what does that mean, exactly?

what does that mean, exactly?
#115 | Posted by eberly

Suspected drug traffickers have been exjudcially killed for a crime that is not a capital offense.

Nonjudicial execution is not as common as a technical term, but in context it is usually used to mean the same thing: an execution that does not result from a valid judicial process.

Laurence H. Tribe
@tribelaw.bsky.social
Department of Defense Law of War Manual,
Sec. 183.2.1 states the "requirement" to
refuse illegal orders.

What's its key example? Wait for it... It's
"orders to fire upon the shipwrecked."

bsky.app

I give a ----

I don't want my country doing ---- that we prosecuted nazis for

Heinz-Wilhelm Eck, who was executed for ordering his crew to shoot the survivors of a torpedoed ship. Karl Dnitz, commander-in-chief of U-boats, was prosecuted at the Nuremberg Trials and found guilty of waging unrestricted submarine warfare.

This is exactly what we did

As for the argument that these people were carrying drugs (as if that matters)

www.google.com

Based on recent data from the U.S. Coast Guard's Fiscal Year (FY) 2024 report, approximately 27% of the suspected drug boats boarded had no drugs found on them.

This is the regime that sent people to an el salvadoran gulag

A majority of the Venezuelan men deported to El Salvador's prison likely did not have criminal records, with estimates suggesting only a small percentage had been convicted of violent crimes in the United States. Investigations by media outlets like The New York Times and human rights organizations like Human Rights Watch found that many deportees had no criminal history in the U.S. or elsewhere, and a significant portion had no criminal convictions at all, with some being detained for immigration violations.

---- this administration and ---- all you apologists