We prosecuted Nazi uboat commanders for this exact action

Everyone in the chain of command should be prosecuted from hegseth to the man or woman pulling the trigger these orders are blatantly illegal

think could be court martialed in the next administration for any number of things, including the killing of distressed combatants.

#16 | Posted by madbomber

They're not god damned ------- combatants they are innocent Venezuelan citizens in a boat.

This is ------- murder and everyone should be tried for it.

The illegality is so ------- obvious

"Joint Special Operations Command, or JSOC, reported to the White House that the "double-tap," or follow-on strike, was intended to sink the boat and remove a possible hazard to other ships, and not to kill survivors, and a similar explanation was given to lawmakers in closed-door briefings."
If the Commander's intent was to "destroy" the target, this makes sense. This term has a very specific meaning, implying that the target is rendered in such a way that it would be impossible to reconstitute it. Even sinking a ship doesn't destroy it, as it could be refloated and put back into service.
In Afghanistan and Syria, there were times when bombs were dropped on a target because there was a little bit of wall left after a previous strike. So doctrinally, it had not been destroyed.

#17 | Posted by madbomber

Blah blah blahtedy blah

Heinz-Wilhelm Eck [Nazi} and his crew
Trial: A British military court in Hamburg.
Charges and conviction: Convicted of war crimes for killing the survivors of the torpedoed Greek steamer Peleus in 1944. Eck was the commander of U-852.
Sentence: Eck and his officers were convicted and sentenced to death.

We did the exact ------- same thing. Everyone in the chain of command should be tried for murder ---- these people, ---- the cowards not disobeying blatantly illegal orders

FOR ----- SAKE THE WHOLE ------- OPERATION IS ILLEGAL

PRESIDENT PIGGY WAS REQUIRED BY US LAW TO STOP KILLING PEOPLE AFTER 60 DAYS AND GET CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL

HE DID NOT

EVERY ------- BOMB DROPPED IS ILLEGAL

---- PRESIDENT PIGGY AND ---- HIS WAR

Every single solitary order to expend force on a boat in the Caribbean is illegal.

Every ------- one of them

There is ZERO justification for obeying these orders

ZERO

Everyone in the chain of command from Hegseth to the man or woman pulling the trigger should be tried for murder

President Piggy is immune from prosecution but should be impeached

TODAY

This is so ------- obvious.

They are not combatants
They are not terrorists
There is no AUMF
There is no imminent threat
The boats are not armed
The victims are civilians
Drug smuggling (if they are even doing that) is not a capital crime
If they are shipwrecked that is another level of murder

Just need to keep things in perspective

They were all determined to be legal targets through legal review.
#50 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER A

Not even going to get into whether this administration is trustworthy but the obvious issue with your position is

Cartels aren't terrorists

Of course we don't even know they are cartel members

Every order is illegal and everyone should be afraid of a life in pris

Blah blah blahtedy blah"

Do you think this is what a lawyer would say in a trial against Hegseth or anyone involved in the strikes?

Maybe you should just know your place, champ.

#51 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT

They killed shipwrecked seamen

The same thing Nazis did

Everything else is rationalization

LOL. you Dems told us a few months ago that these were fishing boats! so now you admit that they are drug taffickers! and, you are taking their side!

unbelievable

#66 | POSTED BY MAVERICK AT

We don't know who they are

We do know that nothing president piggy accuses them of justifies their murder

President piggy told the beautician he sent to an office l Salvadoran gulag and a man with ms 13 photo shopped on his hands were the worst gang members imaginable

The Trump administration, however, has argued they are lawful under a claim of "armed conflict" with drug cartels.

Let's be clear IF this was an armed conflict (which it very well ISN"T), but let's say it is an armed conflict

President Piggy needs congressional authorization for force

Full Stop

EVERY SINGLE BOMB dropped is illegal.

t does not appear to me that either Trump or Hegseth is aware of the scope of the trouble that may be coming their way.

#81 | Posted by madbomber

To be perfectly clear. President Piggy has absolute immunity from prosecution for these murders (at least under American law).

You beginning to understand the abomination the supreme court gave us?

"Do you believe the same vigorous reviews are happening under Trump and Hegseth?"
When I was doing this, there were expansive legal reviews at multiple levels to ensure that the target was a valid military target and any action against it complied with both the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law. That legal review would be handed off to the General Officer who would approve or disapprove the strikes. Ultimately, it was that star who would hold responsibility.
And I never was in a situation where the SECDEF personally ordered a strike. I have to make the assumption that the process has not changed all that much since I stopped doing this stuff, but prima facie it looks as if there may not be the type of vetting I did going on anymore.

#76 | Posted by madbomber

"To be perfectly clear. President Piggy has absolute immunity from prosecution for these murders (at least under American law)."
Really?
I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but that's like saying Goering had immunity from the crimes he committed as a member of the greater German Reich.
A movie was just recently released called Nuremburg. I haven't seen it. I don't need to.

#89 | Posted by madbomber

You don't know what the SC decided, do you?

I am SOOOOO tired of debating the ignorant.

Go educate yourself and come back

President Piggy is absolutely immune from the "core functions" of his office and I don't think any argument could be made that military affairs like this are part of his core functions. Therefore, ANY crime he commits he is immune from prosecution.

That is the problem identified when the SC made their decision.

As far as international law, I don't think it in the realm of possibility that any international entity will prosecute a US president either in office or out of office.

As far as the purges go, that is just another aspect of the damage that President Piggy has enacted. We will be facing complete purges of the government every 4-8 years. that is no way to run a government.

I don't think any argument could be made that military affairs like this AREN'T part of his core functions.