Biden Classified Document Probe Ends Without Charges

@#4

DOJ closes Pence classified documents investigation with no charges (June 2023)
www.nbcnews.com

... The Justice Department's national security division, which looked into the discovery of classified documents at the former vice president's Indiana home, informed his attorney that no charges will be filed. ...

Earlier this year, Pence's lawyers said that a "small number" of classified materials had been found at the former vice president's home in Indiana after the FBI discovered classified records were initially discovered at a Washington think tank President Joe Biden used after he was vice president.

The FBI later conducted a five-hour voluntary search of Pence's home, and uncovered another classified document. ...

It's interesting to read the letter that Biden's counsel sent to Hur regarding the way Hur characterizes Biden's lack of memory on certain issues vs how he characterizes the memory lapses of other people he interviewed about the same events:

www.documentcloud.org

I honestly don't think Biden's age-related memory lapses are any worse than Trump's age-related memory lapses. Let's not forget Trump mistook a photo of E Jean Carroll for his ex-wife Marla Maples and very often couldn't recall a lot of things during interviews in his various court cases:

Trump said he couldn't remember 36 times in response to special counsel Robert Mueller's questions
www.marketwatch.com

27 times Trump can't remember
www.politico.com

And, of course, people far younger than Biden and Trump often have trouble remembering:

Trump family takes the stand: Angry outbursts, memory lapses and gotcha' moments from the civil fraud trial

Four members of the family, including former President Donald Trump, testified in a New York court case that could break apart their real estate empire.

The attorney general's office grilled the Trump children on phone calls, conversations and emails in some cases going back over 10 years. The most common responses to those questions were that they could not remember anything about them. Each of the adult children offered dozens of variations of "I don't remember" or "I don't recall" during their testimony.

www.nbcnews.com

LOL:

Trump Can't Recall Boasting He Has 'World's Best Memory' In Awkward Deposition Video

Infamous self-own captured on film during questioning over fraud accusations against Trump University.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

And as I said in a previous post, people a lot younger than Joe and Don forget things, even important things:

Jim Jordan: I Don't Recall' Number of Times Trump and I Spoke on Jan. 6
Oct. 20, 2021
www.thedailybeast.com

"I honestly don't think Biden's age-related memory lapses are any worse than Trump's age-related memory lapses. "

They aren't. And in many cases trumps memory is worse. And he embellishes it with lies.

Having a faulty memory today is not relevant to when it occurred and should have never even been mentioned. It's not like he forgot what a classified document was at the time.

If they decided there was not enough evidence they should have just said that and left it at that.

No need to pull a "Comey" and try and put your own finger on the scales of Justice.

It was obvious this was a hit job, not an attempt to find legal wrongdoing...and of course, they published their smears for the frothy fascist right.

Wait, you mean if I get pulled over and hand the cops my drivers license and registration they'll treat me differently than if I lead the cops on a high speed chase?

How crazy.

DOJ should pursue the Mueller obstruction of justice counts against PO1135809 and his lackeys. If we're going to go back 40 years on Dark Brandon, no reason to back off on those.

#9 How many dead people has Trump spoken to this week?

This 'no charges recommended' isn't the win Biden supporters think it is. Special Counsel essentially said he's too old and feeble-minded to have willfully committed what would otherwise be a crime.

And he's asking for 4 more years.

Josh Matshall:

Robert Hur totally slimed Biden with these gratuitous comments about his mental acuity and memory, referring to him as a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory." Even if you assume they are the product of a good faith evaluation they are still wildly inappropriate.

DOJ guidelines make clear that if you're not bringing charges you don't bash the subject of the investigation in your announcement (a la James Comey). You certainly aren't supposed to affirmatively attempt to demean the subject of the investigation with clearly political attacks that aren't even related to what you're investigating. Hur might as well have called him "Fake News Joe Biden." It's really that transparent and that bad.

Are we sure that Hur let his political bias get in the way of his professional judgment. Can we draw that from his background as a politically connected Republican lawyer? I don't even think it's a serious question. The lengthy and gratuitous comments speak for themselves. Of course he did.

The descriptions in the report sound bad because they are designed to sound bad. These are from a five hour discussion the day after the October 7th attacks on Israel when I'm sure Biden was focused on that unfolding crisis. Without watching the interview we have no way of knowing whether these are representative of the tenor of the conversation or cherry-picked gotchas.

talkingpointsmemo.com

This 'no charges recommended' isn't the win Biden supporters think it is. Special Counsel essentially said he's too old and feeble-minded to have willfully committed what would otherwise be a crime.
And he's asking for 4 more years.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-02-08 06:15 PM | REPLY

Yawwwwnnnnn. You're trying too hard to deflect attention away from Trump. Quite typical of You isn't it Jeff??

Hopefully TPM asks for interview transcripts to be released. That would be great fun.

Further, no Biden's defenders want it both ways.

This comment encapsulates it perfectly IMOA:

"The special counsel should have written back, "OK fine, Biden's sharp as a tack and knew exactly what he was doing, therefore I'm going to recommend criminal charges."

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

It's a good thing there are no videos of Alzheimer's patient Biden speaking about the dead people he has recently met with/spoken to or the inability to even exit a 3 foot high stage by himself

Oh Wait....

"You're trying too hard to deflect attention away from Trump...

#15 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2024-02-08 06:30 PM | REPLY"

Bellringer checks notes*

This is the headline of this thread:

"Biden Classified Document Probe Ends Without Charges"

That would seem to indicate that this thread is actually about Biden and not Trump.

You were talking about deflecting.....

his 'no charges recommended' isn't the win Biden supporters think it is. Special Counsel essentially said he's too old and feeble-minded to have willfully committed what would otherwise be a crime.

And he's asking for 4 more years.

#13 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Biden's memory has nothing to do with whether there is evidence enough to charge Biden with a crime. Meanwhile ... Trumpy currently has 91 criminal indictments against him and he is asking for 4 more years so he can commit more crimes against America.

Whale!

I just finished Biden's counsels letter to Hur (384-388). They debunk what they can in a few short pages:

www.documentcloud.org

"He did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first day of the interview when his term ended," Hur wrote. "He did not remember, even within several years, when his son Beau died,"

Yeah this guy is in perfect shape

"Biden's memory has nothing to do with whether there is evidence enough to charge Biden with a crime."

Actually, that was the reason given by Special Counsel. Have you not seen the text where he says just that?

#21 | POSTED BY JAVELIN: No, Biden is not in perfect shape. But consider the alternative.

Here,

""It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him"by then a former president well into his eighties"of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness," the report read, adding that during an interview with the president he "did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first day of the interview when his term ended (if it was 2013 " when did I stop being Vice President?'), and forgetting on the second day of the interview when his term began (in 2009, am I still Vice President?')." (emphasis mine)

21 | POSTED BY JAVELIN: I used to watch the Trump news conferences when he still had the balls to call them. Plainer evidence of neurological issues, especially under conditions of stress, would be difficult to find.

#24 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER/21 | POSTED BY JAVELIN: As some wag is currently saying about this, "Irony is a thing". There is hardly dimension of behavior or character wherein you just have to say that Donald Trump is one very sick puppy. But here the two of you are...

People think Trump has tertiary syphilis. We won't know for sure until the autopsy, but for now it's a working theory.

www.youtube.com

Can't even come up with the word "Hamas"

The number of videos of 'pappy sundowning are damn near endless

" Special Counsel essentially said he's too old and feeble-minded to have willfully committed what would otherwise be a crime."

No he didn't.

And as usual, you're leaving out the salient part, where Biden didn't lie about having them and didn't lie about giving them back. You know, the same reason Mike Pence wasn't charged.

#29 Please reread #24.

"a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness,"

That's not the same as having a bad memory. That means he did not intend to violate the law as determined by his actions. Before and after.

he "did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first day of the interview when his term ended (if it was 2013 " when did I stop being Vice President?'), and forgetting on the second day of the interview when his term began (in 2009, am I still Vice President?')." (emphasis mine)

None of which is relevant to any evidence of a crime.

How many times do you think Trumpy or his minions have claimed they "cannot recall? You gonna hold that against them too? Or is this standard just for Biden?

And he's asking for 4 more years.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger

Old guy vs a guy who attempted a coup is still a hard choice for you?

He doesn't recommend charges because he doesn't think they would achieve a jury conviction because he's likely be viewed as a well-meaning old man with bad memory.

That's not the same territory as: 'he did absolutely nothing wrong.'

Everyone remember this day for when trump mounts his defense of trump being so delusional that he really did think the election was stolen by the deep state and he was saving democracy therefore he did nothing wrong. And bellringer will argue in favor of it saying you can't prove state of mind.

"Please reread #24."

I did. It's about willfulness, not mental state.

Are you pretending not to know the difference?

"Actually, that was the reason given by Special Counsel."

Actually the reason for no charges is that there is not enough evidence to charge.

The rest is just extra adjectives and adverbs the Special Counsel used to pull a "Comey".

He doesn't recommend charges because he doesn't think they would achieve a jury conviction because he's likely be viewed as a well-meaning old man with bad memory.

That's not the same territory as: 'he did absolutely nothing wrong.'

#33 | Posted by BellRinger

Oh so the same reasoning behind not charging trump with insurrection or not charging him with russian collusion. Why are you upset then?

"Why are you upset then?

#37 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Did I say I'm upset?

I'm not.

" because he's likely be viewed as a well-meaning old man with bad memory."

No, it's because he obviously didn't take them on purpose, he didn't lie about having them, he didn't try to hide them from other people, he didn't try to profit off them, and he didn't perjure himself with regards to whether he had documents or not.

You know, the salient reasons. The ones you always studiously avoid.

"It's about willfulness, not mental state."

Here is the quote:

"t would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him"by then a former president well into his eighties"of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness,""

A mental state of willfulness.

I don't want to get into an overly pedantic argument. When you read that, what does it mean to you?

" When you read that, what does it mean to you?"

Unlike Trump, he wasn't intending to sell them for profit. Nor did he lie about having them, nor did he make a concerted efforts to hide them, nor did he perjure himself regarding the documents.

One of the two people willfully broke the law, the other one eagerly returned all questionable material. And you keep pretending there's no difference!

From Kyle Griffin:
Robert Hur's report said there were "clear" material distinctions between a potential case against Biden and the pending case against Trump, noting that unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts."

Most notably, they wrote, "after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite."

On the other hand, they wrote, "Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview, and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."

"he obviously didn't take them on purpose"

Where do you draw that conclusion?

------- fascist douchebags. ---- Republicants.

"And you keep pretending there's no difference!"

First off, you didn't answer my question.

Second, I've never said there's no difference.

@#13 ... This 'no charges recommended' isn't the win Biden supporters think it is. ...

I don't view it as a win.

I view it as what happens when someone chooses to cooperate instead of trying to hide evidence.

It is as simple as that.

The comments the SC made are a side issue to that important point in this case, as I noted in my #4 and #6 comments.

Both Pres Biden and fmr VP Pence did not face criminal charges because they both chose to cooperate instead of trying to hide evidence.

@#30 ... Please reread #24....

I did.

Now, can your current alias please explain the relevance?

thx.

"can your current alias please explain the relevance?"

Special counsel believes Biden won't get a jury conviction because he's too mentally compromised and the jury would conclude he didn't act willfully.

It's an absolute indictment of Biden's cognitive state.

@#40 ... A mental state of willfulness. ...

What was Pres Biden's mental state when this ~crime~ occurred?

My guess is that Pres Biden was much younger then.

So, what does the SC have to say about Pres Biden's "mental state of willfulness" when this event occurred?

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@#48 ... Special counsel believes Biden won't get a jury conviction because he's too mentally compromised and the jury would conclude he didn't act willfully. ..

I do note the comment by your current alias speaks in the present tense.

So, what I'd say your current alias needs to explain is why is Pres Biden's appaent current mental state being projected back to when the event occurred?

imo, the SC blew it big time in this area. His logic fails.

It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him"by then a former president well into his eighties"of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness,

This is what you idiots are distorting as the DoJ saying Biden isn't mentally competent?

Jesus ---- Christ.

They're saying he didn't willfully withhold documents and, therefore, wouldn't be convicted by a jury.

Y'all are disgustingly desperate.

"he obviously didn't take them on purpose"

Where do you draw that conclusion?

#43 | Posted by BellRinger

Do you have a mental image of 70 year old biden moving every box into his garage personally?

" They're saying he didn't willfully withhold documents and, therefore, wouldn't be convicted by a jury."

He said a mental state of wilfullness. To back it up he cites egregious examples of bad memory.

That's how I interpret special counsel's explanation.

" Do you have a mental image of 70 year old biden moving every box into his garage personally?

#52 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2024-02-08 08:23 PM | FLAG: "

I don't think "someone else" put them there without direction from Biden to do so.

Bell,

"Special Counsel essentially said he's too old and feeble-minded to have willfully committed what would otherwise be a crime."

Personally, I thought it sounded like when you don't prosecute someone who is mentally disabled.

Let's face it, both guys are old and that's why a majority of people want candidates not named Biden and Trump.

I find it interesting that the Special Counsel felt he had to present a defense case for Biden in the report. Very odd.

Shortage of evidence seemed enough, but he then took it to another level. I don't want to point fingers, but Hur is Republican.

Seems like a cheap shot to me.

"but Hur is Republican."

A Donald Trump appointed Republican I believe. Maybe he's angling for Bill Barr's old job if Trump gets re-elected.

....and I hate to go there, Gal....but there are many other ways to convey a report.

"feeble minded"

"ederly"

Sounds like Hur did his job, but still decided to get a his digs in.

It's like when the appeals court wrote the decision on Trump immunity. They could have come down hard and mocked the Trump lawyer's assertions. But they didn't. They stayed professional.

That's how I interpret special counsel's explanation.

#53 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Of course, you do. You have a conclusion to support, not a conclusion to reach.

I guess it's irrelevant to you that the documents aren't recent documents and, therefore, his current state of mind isn't relevant?

Personally, I thought it sounded like when you don't prosecute someone who is mentally disabled.

#55 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Of course, it did. You're another idiot with a conclusion to support, not be reached.

That's not the same territory as: 'he did absolutely nothing wrong.'

#33 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So you no longer think the Mueller report exonerates Trump?

@#53 ... He said a mental state of wilfullness. To back it up he cites egregious examples of bad memory. ...

... and when did those apparent egregious examples of bad memory occur?

Recently?

In other words, your current alias seems to be putting a whole lot of gravitas on something that has occurred recently, but has little or no relevance to what had occurred.

So let me ask this of your current alias...

Let's say that the SC's non-medical assertion of a medical condition of Pres Biden's current state is correct. How is that relevant to what happened back when this apparent offense occurred?

In all the arm-waving your current alias has done, that is the one link it has yet to provide.

"Where do you draw that conclusion?"

By his actions.

You know, the same reason Mike Pence wasn't indicted.

Would you like me to compare Pence and Biden's actions with Trump's actions yet again??? You seem to be overlooking the startling differences on purpose.

@#54 ... I don't think "someone else" put them there without direction from Biden to do so. ...

Evidence?

Anything at all?

Or just the usual unsubstantiated assertion we all seem to see here from your current alias?

this topic encapsulates why you people are out of your minds and HATED by lots of people..... such as me.

this dementia riddled parasitic imbecile is too mentally impaired to stand trial or even be charged..

his memory is bad....can't remember when he was the VP.......can't remember when his son died and he's been talking to dead presidents.

but he's okay to run a country....according to you.

and nothing will change because you're out of your minds.

1 former president is too sick in the head to be charged....the former president who "you people" demanded the 25th come into

play is given 40 indictments....for the very same thing.

If you think this issue is going away you're not just out of your minds, you're brainwashed into a level of unmatched stupidity.

Yes, we know you are full of hate, STD.

It's ------- pathetic btw. Maybe grow up?

@#65 ... why you people are out of your minds and HATED by lots of people..... such as me. ...

Hated?

Really?

Hated?

You hate your fellow Americans because they may differ with your (and "lots of people's") political opinion?

Where did that hatred come from?

Why do you admit to hating your fellow Americans?

this dementia riddled parasitic imbecile is too mentally impaired to stand trial or even be charged..

LOL have you read your posts? You're not in a position to say this about someone else, idiot.

I was just truly thankful Biden came out tonight to have a press conference confirming everything that was said about his inability to recall pretty much so anything. Where do we Start ... The President of Egypt is apparently the President of Mexico of Red and Green States. Or how about that Rosary comment? I could keep going but I won't. Sorry but the guy is mentally gone and this evening proved it.

JPW witnesses Biden talk to 2 dead people in the same week. This report comes out and he gets pissed off at anyone who points out what is in it. Then Biden has a disaster of a speech and q&a and his response appears to be, "All is well!"

Does anyone have a link to the press conference he gave last night? I was relaxing in the swimming pool when this all went down.

Oh, and a request, could people stop abbreviating Special Council as SC? It's confusing enough already when trying figure out if people are referring to the Supreme Court or South Carolina.

"this dementia riddled parasitic imbecile is too mentally impaired to stand trial or even be charged..

If I came across this quote out of context and didn't know who posted it, I would've assumed it came from someone like the ReinheitBot or a similarly rabid poster talking about Trump. Sometimes I wonder how often the extreme partisans on here are deliberately trying to parody/mirror each other and how often they're oblivious to how similar they are to each other.

It's not difficult to figure out that SSentinel is a swastika-loving trumper.

Oooh, looks like I struck a nerve with the Bot.

SSentinel won't deny being a MAGAt.

Reinheit won't deny being a FAGAtroll.

SSentinel has a swastika-shaped--------- he shows off at klan rallies.

Last night sunk Biden. No way to sugar coat it.

Biden willfully retained docs it was illegal for him to have. Deemed too senile to stand trial.

Definitely not a good look.

I only saw the clip where he said Mexico when he meant Egypt.

To be fair, the country he was talking about was on the southern border of Gaza.

"SSentinel has a swastika-shaped---------"

Why do FAGAs always project their fantasies onto me?

Why does SSentinel offer his -------- to Kyle Rittenhouse?

"The rest is just extra adjectives and adverbs the Special Counsel used to pull a "Comey".

From what I've seen, it doesn't appear what the Special Counsel wrote is quite as bad as what either side is trying to portray it as when taken out of context. In a 340+ page report, one has to be as thorough in their reasoning for not pursuing charges as they would for if they did recommend them.

The comparison to Comey is also dubious, since this was the conclusion of an investigation while that was the reopening of one.

Last night sunk Biden. No way to sugar coat it.

#79 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Then Trump will be glad to debate him live?

We both know he won't. No way to sugar coat it.

Trump is out there saying he wants a debate.

Why wouldn't he when these are the headlines about this story?

Special counsel: Biden 'willfully retained and disclosed' classified info...
'Well-meaning, elderly man with poor memory'...
'Did Not Remember When He Was VP'...
'When His Son Died'...
PRESIDENT LASHES OUT: 'HOW IN THE HELL DARE HE'...
BUT. NO. CHARGES.
CAMPAIGN ROCKED...
MAKES ANOTHER STUNNING GAFFE, CONFUSES EGYPT WITH MEXICO...

"Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen," according to a special counsel's final report.
In the report, special counsel Robert Hur wrote, "Biden will likely present himself to the jury, as he did during his interview with our office, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory."

those are double quotes, not single

Meanwhile, former President Trump was charged with 40 criminal counts, including obstruction of justice and willful retention of classified documents.

mask off. 2 tier system.

#89 | POSTED BY LIBS_OF_DR

It seems obvious from what the man wrote that Hur is a political operative.

Kind of ruins the whole thing, don't you think?

Why Biden and Trump's classified documents cases aren't the same

Trump says there's a two-tiered system of justice -- but Robert Hur disagrees.

To preempt comparisons to the Trump case, Hur's report included explicit mention of Trump's conduct compared to Biden's.

"Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts," the report noted. "Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite."

Investigators also noted that many of the records found in Biden's home, at the Penn Biden Center, and at the University of Pennsylvania library "could plausibly have been brought to these locations by mistake."

"The evidence suggests that Mr. Biden did not willfully retain these documents," Hur wrote.

abcnews.go.com

Meanwhile, former President Trump was charged with 40 criminal counts, including obstruction of justice and willful retention of classified documents.
mask off. 2 tier system.
#89 | POSTED BY LIBS_OF_DR

Why Trump was charged and Biden wasn't, according to the special counsel

But Hur's report specifically contrasted the two situations, in a way that is indisputably unfavorable for Trump.

The comparison came as Hur was explaining why he was not recommending charges in Biden's case.

"It is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear," the report reads. "Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts."

"Most notably," it continues, "after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it."

"Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen," according to a special counsel's final report.

"The evidence suggests that Mr. Biden did not willfully retain these documents," Hur wrote.

It's hard to reconcile these two statements, unless the first one is only referring to initial evidence that was uncovered, and the second one is the conclusion after weighing all the evidence, including Mr. Biden's deposition.

this dementia riddled parasitic imbecile is too mentally impaired to stand trial or even be charged..

#73 | Posted by sentinel

precisely and as the author of that statement I can tell you that I used leftist-dogma KLAN rhetoric as a

stencil.....change Trump to biden / copy / print / repeat.

and in addition, it was trump that the KLAN was all agog about removing political opponents including abusing the 25th amendment

all the while screaming ...

IT'S THE END OF DEMOCRACY about the other side.

Why do you admit to hating your fellow Americans?

#67 | Posted by LampLighter

The future of the Republic is more important than making nice with people bent on destroying it through lies, deceit and fraud.

thanks for asking.

Then Trump will be glad to debate him live?

We both know he won't. No way to sugar coat it.

#85 | Posted by Zed

oh geesus...just stop with this lie.

the brain dead vegetable's handlers won't let him even do one of the biggest softball interviews in history

at the super bowl.

the democrat police state run media rarely asks him tough questions and on the rare occasion they do there is never

a follow up...such as....tell Obama he gave you the wrong copy to memorize.

--if you don't think trump wants to get this pathetic human on a debate stage then you have never heard trump before.

NO crazy joe did not speak with George Washington last night.

It was George Washington Carver and the "poor man with a bad memory"...got them confused.

when told who it was the brain dead moron congratulated Carver on being

"articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

I think the two statements may be referring to different classified documents. IOW, some may have been deemed willfully retained but not all of them:

Investigators also noted that many of the records found in Biden's home, at the Penn Biden Center, and at the University of Pennsylvania library "could plausibly have been brought to these locations by mistake."

"The evidence suggests that Mr. Biden did not willfully retain these documents," Hur wrote.

LOL have you read your posts? You're not in a position to say this about someone else, idiot.

#68 | Posted by jpw a

I came back to just let you know I read this agonizingly stupid reply from you.... but I'm gonna have to table

any more time with you.

---I'm busy dealing with adults at the moment.

--I'm busy dealing with adults at the moment.

#99 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

Trying to allowed to leave the kid's table?

--if you don't think trump wants to get this pathetic human on a debate stage then you have never heard trump before.

#96 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

LOL.

I know Donald Trump better than any of you slavish fanatics do.

Because you are slavish, a useful fascist idiot, you've lost track of how BADLY Trump can do in public.

Because he has COGNITIVE ISSUES.

Hur also seems to be differentiating between evidence that Biden willfully retained documents and evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Biden did so:

There is evidence that, after his vice presidency, Mr. Biden willfully retained marked classified documents about Afghanistan and unmarked classified handwritten notes in his notebooks, both of which he stored in unsecured places in his home. He had no legal authority to do so, and his retention of these materials, and disclosure of classified information from his notebooks to his ghostwriter, risked serious damage to America's national security.

But the evidence falls short of proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Biden retained and disclosed these classified materials willfully. The Department's prior treatment of former presidents and vice presidents who kept national security materials also counsels against prosecution of Mr. Biden, as do the most relevant aggravating and mitigating facts presented here. Therefore, under established Department principles, we decline criminal charges against Mr. Biden relating to the classified Afghanistan documents and his classified notebooks. We would do so even if we were not bound by the Office of Legal Counsel's legal conclusion that a sitting president may not be charged with federal crimes.

--if you don't think trump wants to get this pathetic human on a debate stage then you have never heard trump before.

#96 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

Really too funny.

Your Fuhrer has never been a genius, and every day he ages he becomes less of one.

You want to critique how Biden thinks, fine.

But only a hack refuses to look at how Trump thinks.

There is some concern that this "Poor...well meaning" crook would do something drastic in his now documented mental illness...like tell norad to

attack virtually anyone immediately..... when his caretaker from "visiting angels" takes a break to take a "biden"

but I disagree...I don't think that would happen.

there's a better chance that if left alone biden will tell the WH operator to get a message to his

new found friends.......Abe and Mary.

#104 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

Hack.

What Trump will do is brag loudly about how he will mop the floor with Biden and then back out of debate at the last minute.

" this was the conclusion of an investigation while that was the reopening of one."

WHILE KEEPING SECRET the ongoing OTHER investigation.

World of difference.

Yes, it does look the distinction lies in evidence vs evidence beyond a reasonable doubt:

Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home.

However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution of Mr. Biden is also unwarranted based on our consideration of the aggravating and mitigating factors set forth in the Department of Justice's Principles of Federal Prosecution. For these reasons, we decline prosecution of Mr. Biden.

www.documentcloud.org

Attacking Comey for doing his job in 2016 didn't help Democrats back then. Attacking Hur for doing his job in 2024 could potentially backfire with independents.

To be fair, the country he was talking about was on the southern border of Gaza.

#81 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-09 07:21 AM | Reply

There's that but also Egypt and Mexico both have pyramids, so it's easy to see how he got them confused.

Why do you admit to hating your fellow Americans?

#67 | Posted by LampLighter

and there seems to be a modest outcry of fake moral outrage from your sanctimonious inbred gang
of leftist making comment about my HATE towards "fellow Americans."
this is so rich coming from again.....an inbred bang of hypocrites.

ever since the original trigger of 2016 there has been little more than outright expressions
of hate / anger and widespread bigotry from your fellow klansman.
towards trump / his supporters and any group or state or region that chose him over your pathetic
excuse for a leader. A leader who also expresses hate mongering bigotry at every speech he makes...assuming
he can read obama's teleprompter.

HOW DARE YOU EVEN ASK ME....ABOUT HATING FELLOW AMERICANS.....

in the face of what leftist-dogma KLAN humps have said
and actually expressed that hate through violence....) capitol fires / trumps inauguration weekend ) BLM / ANTIFA

so take your remarks and place them with the rest for your inbred... 2 faced hypocritical lying sacks of garbage.

Democrats are idiots.
Garland is an idiot.
Appointing Trump-humping special counsels to investigate is always going to get this --------. Always going to get this garbage.

There is only one thing that should be in this report, that there's no charges. Any prosecutor going further is a POS. You don't, or shouldn't, prosecute someone in the public sphere when you can't prosecute them in a court of law. Period.

Hur, like Durham, like Barr (who totally lied), like Starr, and like Comey, politicized the hell out of what they were put in charge of.
They couldn't get their pound of flesh on evidence so they made it a political hit.
And it was predeictable that it would be latched onto by the likes of Bellringer/Jeff and other magats.

Why did Hur even bring up Biden's son's death? How pissed off would you be if that happened to you in an investigation when it's not relevant to anything?

Also this report is inconsistent and contradicts itself. Garbage.

There's that but also Egypt and Mexico both have pyramids, so it's easy to see how he got them confused.

Nikki/Pelosi over and over again and again mean anything to you? Your dementia riddled orange messiah is out of control.

HOW DARE YOU EVEN ASK ME....ABOUT HATING FELLOW AMERICANS.....

#110 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

I wonder why it is we dare to ask?

#110 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

You know, we read what you say. It generates fear and loathing.

Facists, being amoral, have no right to play any morality card.

Don't add hypocrite to your many other sins.

"There's that but also Egypt and Mexico both have pyramids, so it's easy to see how he got them confused."

It's also possible that he's employing the same tactic that Trump often does, trolling his opponents by leaning into the thing they're bashing him about, getting them to be the ones in reacting mode.

In the meantime, Biden's positive legislative and world-wide achievements are impressive and adding up, while tRump's criminal, civil indictments and losses keep growing.

How embarrassing that Biden described by MAGAts keeps kicking their asses.

"There's that but also Egypt and Mexico both have pyramids, so it's easy to see how he got them confused."

You all act like Biden is the only one to misspeak/get confused (video at link):

Harry Sisson
@harryjsisson

Where were Republicans when Mike Johnson confused Israel with Iran? Where was the outrage? Where were the dementia accusations?

Oh that's right. They're complete liars and hypocrites who don't hold the same standard.

twitter.com

And the list of things Trump has misspoken/gotten confused about is long. Remember when he said Orban was the leader of Turkey?:

Republicans against Trump
@RpsAgainstTrump

Trump: "Viktor Orban ... He's the leader of Turkey."

Orban is Hungary's authoritarian leader.

twitter.com

He has recently confused Nikki Halley and Nancy Pelosi (video at link):

Robert Garcia
@RobertGarcia

Hey folks, remember when Trump thought Nancy Pelosi was Nikki Haley? I do!

twitter.com

MeidasTouch
@MeidasTouch

A reminder that recently Donald Trump:

- Confused a photo of his rape victim for his ex-wife during a deposition
- Confused Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi 4 times in a row
- Said Jeb Bush sent our troops to the Middle East
- Thought he ran against and is currently running against Barack Obama
- Said President Biden started World War II
- Said that Viktor Orban is the leader of Turkey
- Said you need voter ID to buy bread
- Said windmills are causing whales to wash up on shore
- Confused North Korea and China
- Implied Dallas is in another country
- Had to be reminded of where he was during a speech in Sioux City
- Claimed Hungary borders Russia

And that's before you get to, you know, all the fascism, fraud, and sexual abuse.

twitter.com

so take your remarks and place them with the rest for your inbred... 2 faced hypocritical lying sacks of garbage.

#110 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

So ... how long have you hated Americans?

Now.. Can you show us on the doll ... Where did the ebil American touched you?

How embarrassing that Biden described by MAGAts keeps kicking their asses.

#117 | POSTED BY YAV

Their humiliation goes a long way toward explaining their vicious and exaggerated attacks on the man.

They think that he can win, like he did last time.

Oh, and btw, Trump forgot the years he was president during his fraud trial:

Oopsie, Trump Forgot When He Left Office

Prosecutor: Did you get copies of the statements in 2021?

Defendant [Trump]: I was so busy in the White House with China, Russia, and keeping the country...

Prosecutor: You were not the president in 2021.

www.esquire.com

As mentioned earlier, during the E Jean Carroll deposition, Trump mistook a picture of Carroll for Marla Maples:

Trump mistook rape accuser E. Jean Carroll for ex-wife Marla Maples in deposition about photo

During an Oct. 19 deposition at his Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida, which was made public Wednesday, Trump was shown a photo from an NBC event around 1987.

The image shows him from behind, facing Carroll and her then-husband, television journalist John Johnson, with Trump's then-wife, the late Ivana Trump standing to his right.

"It's Marla," said Trump about the photo.

Carroll's lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, said, "You're saying Marla is in this photo?"

Trump replied: "That's Marla, yeah. That's my wife."

His lawyer Alina Habba then interjected, "No, that's Carroll."

Trump said, "Oh, I see."

Kaplan then said, "The person you just pointed to was E. Jean Carroll."

When Habba repeated to Trump, "That's Carroll," he replied, "That's Carroll?"

Elsewhere in the deposition, Trump said of Carroll, "She's not my type."

"She is not a woman I would ever be attracted to," he added later.

www.cnbc.com

Not only is Trump an addle-headed idiot; he's a liar too.

" Attacking Comey for doing his job in 2016 "

If it was his job to tell us he was reopening Hillary's investigation, it was also his job to tell us that was an ongoing investigation of Trump.

He got attacked because he only did half his job.

If the MSM covered Trump's memories lapses with the same intensity that the cover Bidens's, would voters be more concerned about Trump's mental capabilities and fitness for office? I think so, but since they don't, I have come to the conclusion they want a second Trump term. Biden is too boring for them to cover and a Biden presidency doesn't offer them as many clicks because he is just too normal and stable.

Directly from the report:

"We have also considered that, at trial(sometime in the future), Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory. Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him - by then a former president well into his eighties - of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.

We conclude the evidence is not sufficient to convict, and we decline to recommend prosecution of Mr. Biden for his retention of the classified Afghanistan documents."

This sums it up, doesn't it? Sums up the MAGAts position. Hur didn't find Biden was any of that, but that he'd likely present himself as sympathetic well meaning and at the time of any trial an elderly man well into his eighties. That's far different than what Bellringer/Jeff was asserting.

Also let's be clear, that entire paragraph has nothing to do with the next paragraph that uncategorically states that the evidence is not sufficient to convict. PERIOD.

On the "shared with the Ghostwriter" BS, the report concedes "Notably, the classified Afghanistan documents did not come up again in Mr. Biden's dozens of hours of recorded conversations with the ghostwriter, or in his book. And the place where the Afghanistan documents were eventually found in Mr. Biden's Delaware garage-in a badly damaged box surrounded by household detritus-suggests the documents might have been forgotten."

Also no classified information was found in any of the "Ghostwriters" notes or books. Biden flat out denies this allegation and last night flat out stated what he did share and that the interpretation by Hur was not true.

BTW, for those counting there are 12 instances of "insufficient to obtain a conviction and therefore declined to prosecute him" or variations of that phrase in the report.

In other words, Hur found bupkis.
Nada.
Zilch.
Nothing.

Donald Trump calls Prince Charles 'Prince of Whales' in unfortunate Twitter gaffe

www.standard.co.uk

Trump repeatedly botched Rep. Matt Gaetz's name at a Florida rally, calling him the name of a former aide who was convicted
Oct 17, 2020

During a campaign rally Friday night, President Donald Trump mixed up the names of Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz and Rick Gates, a former aide who was convicted after pleading guilty to crimes related to Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Gaetz is one of Trump's staunchest supporters. Trump, pointing to Gaetz sitting off camera, referred to him multiple times as "Rick Gates" or "Rick."

www.businessinsider.com

" There is only one thing that should be in this report, that there's no charges"

With no explanation as to why no charges are being recommended? Come on.

" In the meantime, Biden's positive legislative and world-wide achievements are impressive and adding up" _Yav

The cognitive dissonance is astounding. His approval rating is at 37%. That simply doesn't happen to a president who has such an impressive record of accomplishments as you assert

This compilation includes such Trump faux pas as:

Tim Apple, Thighland, 7/11, "I met with the president of the Virgin Islands," "the oranges of the investigation" (Kudos to Trump for wanting to increase the number of transplants in the US)

Donald Trump's Biggest Gaffes

www.youtube.com

Donald Trump trips up on history in 4th of July speech, mentions airports during Revolutionary War

WASHINGTON " President Donald Trump read most of his Independence Day speech from a prepared text, but stumbled on his history at one point: He talked about airports during the American Revolution.

"Our Army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports," Trump said of the fighting force created by the Continental Congress in 1775.

There was no air travel in 18th Century America.

www.usatoday.com

Biden is approximately 3 1/2 years older than Trump, which means they are really age mates:

Biden Born: November 20, 1942 Graduated college 1965

Trump Born: June 14, 1946 Graduated college 1968

His approval rating is at 37%.

So what?

Most of the polls have been wrong since 2015, almost ten years now. You still believe in polls?

" You still believe in polls?

#134 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-02-09 12:33 PM | FLAG: "

I believe they can be a useful snapshot but that they are not especially predictive.

People believe in polls when it suits them.

The cognitive dissonance is astounding. His approval rating is at 37%. That simply doesn't happen to a president who has such an impressive record of accomplishments as you assert

#131 | Posted by BellRinger

The fact that 80 percent of republicans think the 2020 election was stolen proves that the republican propaganda machine can make tens of millions of people live in delusion.

The republican propaganda machine has been screaming that everything has gone from awesome to awful the moment biden took office and all america's morons make that their delusional reality.

Last night sunk Biden. No way to sugar coat it.

#79 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Ha ha!!!

Oh wait, you're serious?????

Nothingburger #4297

Just like HuNtEr BiDeNs LaPtOp.

You need the realize this fishyP*ssy ... most people are not voting FOR Joe Biden, they are voting against your Orange Fuhrer. The Orange Agents negatives are off the charts.

The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

#131 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yeah. Too bad you don't understand what that means.

Last night sunk Biden. No way to sugar coat it.
#79 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

I am reminded of a Washington Post editorial after Trump's descent down the Trump Tower stairs in 2015. Headline was along the lines of

Trump Guarantees 2016 GOP Loss with Rant against Mexicans.

My, how times have changed. And please note that the WaPo at that time still felt Republicans had morals.

His approval rating is at 37%. That simply doesn't happen to a president who has such an impressive record of accomplishments as you assert

Funny thing is, this could be Trump or Biden.

The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

You didn't use the term right. I will give you an example:
Imagine naming yourself "bellringer" and be so anti Christian as to be OKAY with barbed wire killing kids at the border. THAT is cognitive dissonance.

You're welcome.

#142. Did Snoofy hijack your DR account?

I didn't hear any outrage over the barbed wire, bell.

Because you don't care.

That's because I don't have outrage over barbed wire, Alexandrite.

When I was a kid I loved climbing chain link fences. However, I never once tried it if the top of the fence was laced with barbed wire.

At some point people are responsible for the choices they make.

"At some point people are responsible for the choices they make."

What's the responsibility for people who put up razor wire intended to drown the people who get caught up on it?

That's because I don't have outrage over barbed wire, Alexandrite.

Good Christian that you aren't.

Leviticus 19:34

34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you,
and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Jeff can't read his own bible.

"At some point people are responsible for the choices they make."

Is having an abortion taking responsibility for the choices that were made?

Is banning abortion denying the chance to responsibility for the choices that were made?

"When I was a kid I loved climbing chain link fences."

When you were a kid you loved the special attention the priest gave you.

#148 Pot/Kettle you coped something you never read thinking you were proving your point. It was a classic.

At some point people are responsible for the choices they make.

#145 | Posted by BellRinger

So stop blaming liberals for the way republicans love trump.

#148. I'm not a religious person, Alexandrite.

I didn't choose "Bellringer" as a religious screen name. It's more of a tough guy name. Ever hear of the expression, "He got his bell rung?"

Yeah, that's me ringing bells. I also clean clocks. Intellectually, of course. I am not an internet tough guy.

"Yeah, that's me ringing bells."

Sure is.

It's you cheering when children drown on razor wire, as was intended by the people who put the razor wire there.

WOW. A guy named "bellringer" isn't religious?!

You really don't know what words mean, do you?

" You really don't know what words mean, do you?

#156 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-02-09 07:25 PM | FLAG: "

It means I'll ring your bell if you piss me off.

Are you completely unaware that words can have more than one definition in a dictionary and certainly so in a Thesaurus?

I am not an internet tough guy.

#154 | Posted by BellRinger

It means I'll ring your bell if you piss me off.

#157 | Posted by BellRinger

Well that lasted 2 posts.

Finding of the report:
No charges are warranted.
Then 388 pages of political --------.

Are you completely unaware that words can have more than one definition in a dictionary and certainly so in a Thesaurus?
#157 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Thesaurus... no.
Synonyms aren't alternate definitions.

" Finding of the report:
No charges are warranted.
Then 388 pages of political --------.

#160 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2024-02-09 08:06 PM | FLAG: "

Spin it however you want. Statute required a report. The conclusions are terrible for Biden.

Lucky for you he gets to run against Trump.

" Well that lasted 2 posts.

#158 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2024-02-09 07:46 PM | FLAG: "

Cute. When you selectively edit. But that was funny and I will give you credit for that.

"Are you completely unaware that words can have more than one definition in a dictionary and certainly so in a Thesaurus?"

Peak Bellringer.

Proudly trotting around first base, not realizing the catcher is holding strike three.

Spin it however you want. Statute required a report. The conclusions are terrible for Biden.
When you selectively edit.

Quote the statute. Link to it. Show me that it says to create a report that's nothing but a political hit piece filled with inconsistencies, all to achieve a political end.

Yeah, about that and this report?

Hur, like Durham, like Barr (who totally lied), like Starr, and like Comey, politicized the hell out of what they were put in charge of.
They couldn't get their pound of flesh on evidence so they made it a political hit.
And it was predictable that it would be latched onto by the likes of Bellringer/Jeff and other magats.

As I said:
Finding of the report:
No charges are warranted.
PERIOD.
Then 388 pages of political --------.

Nothing you've said counters that.
Nothing.

So, would the Mueller Report been acceptable with:

We found that nobody from Trump or his team criminally concluded with Putin or Russia - have been acceptable to any of you as the end result of a Special Counsel Report? Just that? The final conclusion. With zero concept or showing of any work?

Mueller wrote two novels yet in this case you all expect a zero context 1-2 sentence report and that's it.

So, Yav,

How many charges against Trump did Weissman, sorry, Mueller ultimately recommend?

This is the dishonesty I expected from you.
We've had lots of discussion about that, and exactly what Mueller stated, but you ignore everything and stick with Barr's full out lie about the Mueller report and what it said. You hide in semantics, you that doesn't even know what words and phrases actually mean.

I thought I was crystal clear:

They couldn't get their pound of flesh on evidence so they made it a political hit.
And it was predictable that it would be latched onto by the likes of Bellringer/Jeff and other magats.

You're still doing exactly that with the fully discredited Barr --------.

Danforth's kicked your silly ass all over this site on Mueller. You don't learn. You can't learn. You have red glasses on and all you can see is red. Oh, and you, of course, continue to ignore the Senate Intelligence Committee's final report on Russian interference in the 2016 elections by republicans.

time.com
www.intelligence.senate.gov

Beat your dead horse behind the barn where no one can see that hideous pointlessness.

Yav

Hur made it very clear. You're just pissed off because his conclusions are awful for your guy. You're so angry and emotionally upset you aren't even remotely addressing anything I'm actually saying. It isn't my fault Democrats have a decomposing corpse as their candidate. Just like on the immigration thread I created. It's nothing but attack the messenger. Maybe had the Biden DOJ not raided Mar a Lago and continued instead to retrieve documents bureaucratically there would have been far less pressure to investigate Biden to a point where a special counsel wouldn't have even been appointed.

But here we are and that this is really damning to your guy is too fricking bad.

You're just pissed off because his conclusions are awful for your guy.

#170 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

It was a hit piece by a man pretending to be a doctor.

It isn't my fault Democrats have a decomposing corpse as their candidate.

#170 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Is Donald Trump mentally ill?

Maybe had the Biden DOJ not raided Mar a Lago and continued instead to retrieve documents bureaucratically

#170 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

And maybe if Trump had not refused, and refused, and refused to give those documents up he would never have been arrested.

The person acting desperate here is you. But if you want to have an honest debate on these topics I am here for you. Warning: I will win.

It's nothing but attack the messenger.

#170 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Interesting, given that's why I attack you.

The message you carry makes you deserve it.

" The person acting desperate here is you"

I'm desperate?

I'm laughing my ass off. I'm not voting for either one of these corrupt geriatric clowns. I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just laughing at how angry the left is over this report. How entitled the left and Democrats are and the hilarious spin coming out over what has proven to be nothing less than a disaster. Even CNN spent 4 minutes picking apart all of Biden's lies in an extremely rare act of journalism.

Zed,

One lesson a man your age should have learned by now is that people aren't always going to agree with you.

One lesson a man your age should have learned by now is that people aren't always going to agree with known facts.

JeffJ is here to remind us of that lesson daily.

"I'm desperate?
I'm laughing my ass off"

^
DeSantis Laugh.

I'm not voting for either one of these corrupt geriatric clowns.

#175 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You are a fierce advocate for one of them.

Answer the question: Is Donald Trump mentally ill?

I'm not voting for either one of these corrupt geriatric clowns.

#175 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So by not voting you are ok with Trumpy being our President again then.

Got it.

Whale!

180. I'm not okay with either one being president. The problems with Trump are expressed as nauseum every 20 seconds on this site and in the news media. Biden is a decomposing corpse who as Madbomber put it is being kept alive with hormones and other chemicals.

Patricide Jeff supports the demented------------ who said Pennsylvania will cease to exist.

Biden is a decomposing corpse who as Madbomber put it is being kept alive with hormones and other chemicals.

#181 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Biden is risking his very life and giving up his "golden years" to stand between you and tyranny. And you obviously don't deserve it but he is doing it anyway.

Biden is risking his very life and giving up his "golden years" to stand between you and tyranny. And you obviously don't deserve it but he is doing it anyway.

#183 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Thank you for recognizing that and saying that.

@#180 ... I'm not okay with either one being president. ...

I'd prefer to have a selection between two other candidates, but apparently I won't have that option. So I look at the two candidates.

One huge difference that I see in SC Hur's report is how each of the two handled the classified documents issue.

Pres Biden, when his staff found the documents, notified the National Archives and asked them to investigate, including looking for any more documents that may be present.

Fmr Pres Trump knew he had the classified documents (which apparently had higher classifications than the ones Pres Biden had). So what did fmr Pres Trump do with that knowledge? He continued to hide the documents from the National Archives, refused voluntary searches again and again, when a subpoena was issued, he apparently hid documents from the investigators. etc, etc.

What I take away from that is that Pres Biden has an intent to follow the rule of law. Fmr Pres Trump has quite the opposite intent, i.e., he seems to want to avoid the rule of law and order, even to the point of giving it the finger.

So, given a choice between two candidates, neither of whom I am overly enthused about, I'd say the candidate who has respect for law and order has a significant advantage when I enter the voting booth.

Hur made it very clear.
He did. There is nothing to charge Biden with. No evidence, nothing. He says it at least 12 times in the full document.

You're just pissed off because his conclusions are awful for your guy.
His only conclusion is that there's nothing to charge Biden with and nothing he found rises to any possible reason to indict him.

You're so angry and emotionally upset you aren't even remotely addressing anything I'm actually saying.
You mean like you just did? Project much? I'm not angry or emotional - but you always accuse me of that when you are flailing. I addressed what you said very clearly. As I said, you don't have the mental capacity to understand that.

It isn't my fault Democrats have a decomposing corpse as their candidate.
It's not my fault Republicans have a decomposing pile of s**t that's evil AF as their messiah and only candidate.

Just like on the immigration thread I created. It's nothing but attack the messenger.
Someone call the WAAAAAMbulance!

Maybe had the Biden DOJ not raided Mar a Lago and continued instead to retrieve documents bureaucratically there would have been far less pressure to investigate Biden to a point where a special counsel wouldn't have even been appointed.
The truth of what lead up to the LEGAL search by WARRANT is crystal clear and there is only one reason it happend: TRUMP lied his ass off, failed to comply with multiple orders, lied to his lawyers, and conspired to keep classified documents he wasn't entitled to.

You truly are a revisionist lying sack of ----, Seriously, you get all the respect you deserve, which is none. I'd go through how wrong you are about everything you just said, but you aren't capable of understanding. You won't. You can't.

#185 - how very polite and pointless of you, Lamplighter.

Thank you for recognizing that and saying that.

#184 | POSTED BY ZED

Yer welcome!

Is kinda sad I had to say it at all.

As a Marine I served my country and I also could have died doing it. But it's nothing compared to what I see Joe Biden sacrificing. I was young and so full of it. And plenty of years left to live and a good career ahead of me if I survived it. But Joe's peace of mind and his health and his final years on this planet are on the line. I am glad that he at least has his loving wife Jill to stand by his side through it all.

Yav the spinmeister.

It's both hilarious and pathetic.

Both Biden and Trump were grossly negligent in their handling of classified documents.

Where the two differ is that Trump engaged in obstruction whereas Biden did not.

Those are actually 2 separate crimes. On the former, Biden is every bit as guilty as Trump as this SC report lays out.

" I am glad that he at least has his loving wife Jill to stand by his side through it all.

#188 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-02-10 01:50 PM | FLAG: "

That's disgusting. Jill's craven lust for prestige and power has caused her to contribute to elder abuse against her own husband.

" I'm not angry or emotional"

Your computer screen is covered in spittle and your keyboard is covered in pulled out hair.

"Both Biden and Trump were grossly negligent in their handling of classified documents."

Both Sides.
All Day, Every Day.

Those are actually 2 separate crimes. On the former, Biden is every bit as guilty as Trump as this SC report lays out.

#190 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Then charge him with a crime! Republicans are standing by to stand by!

If he was guilty of a crime he would be charged. He was not charged therefore he is not guilty. Them there is the rules.

Swallow it.

Jill's craven lust for prestige and power has caused her to contribute to elder abuse against her own husband.
#191 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Anybody know what he's talking about?

Also, in what arena does Dr. Biden have any undue power or prestige?

That's disgusting. Jill's craven lust for prestige and power has caused her to contribute to elder abuse against her own husband.

#191 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

That's what you find disgusting? The wife who stands by her man?

Yeah Trumpy thinks it's disgusting too. He keeps his wives at a distance. Sometimes he keeps them buried in his golf courses for save keeping (and tax write offs).

BellRinger is a divorced loser.

He can't understand why a woman would stand by her husband.

Former President Trump- 91 criminal indictments

All other American Presidents- 0 criminal indictments.

Biden is a decomposing corpse who as Madbomber put it is being kept alive with hormones and other chemicals.
#181 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You should study biology, we're all being kept alive by hormones and other chemicals present in our bodies.

@#187 ... how very polite and pointless of you ...

I try. :)

@#190 ... Where the two differ is that Trump engaged in obstruction whereas Biden did not. ...

The two also differ, very significantly, is upon the intent, as I noted in #185.

" BellRinger is a divorced loser"

Nope. Happily married. Never divorced. Maybe you should find someone to fall in love with and get married.

Happily married. Never divorced.

Sure sure.

You didn't vote for Trump either.

You just spend your every waking moment defending and praising him.

Maybe you should find someone to fall in love with and get married.

#202 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Now that it's legal in all 50 states. In spite of republicans best efforts otherwise!

The non-stop "accuse others of what I'm doing" from Jeff has gotten boring for me.
{yawn}

#205. I get it. It's been a horrible week for Biden and his supporters. I know that has to suck. Just be thankful that barring something crazy happening he gets to run against Trump.

"It's been a horrible week for Biden and his supporters."

Aren't they all?

Y'all outraged about Biden every week.

" Maybe had the Biden DOJ not raided Mar a Lago and continued instead to retrieve documents bureaucratically there"

You're joking, right? The song and dance went on for over a year. And even when Trump swore he had given everything back, he hasn't and he knew it. In fact he actively taking steps to conceal, any actively and listed other people to help him conceal.

I know: to get your outrage in the right place, pretend it was Obama!

pretend it was Obama!"

Like Trump thinks it was... LMAO!

Just be thankful that barring something crazy happening he (Biden) gets to run against Trump.

#207 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Trump getting the GOP nomination again is a national failure and disgrace.

We have a choice:

The Democrats choice to go with the current President and incumbent, that's honorable, has no criminal indictments or any evidence of anything criminal, has lead us to an incredible economic recovery, accomplished significant legislation, expanded NATO, brought together our Allies, and far more - but is a gaffe machine and has been for decades - or...

The Republicans choice to go with Trump. We could write an entire tome on his gaffes, lies, exaggerations, nonsensical "reasoning", criminality, immorality, lack of sympathy or any empathy, is a sociopath and an authoritarian, and is facing dozens of felony charges, is a known sexual molester, a rapist, and probably far worse, has sold out America and likely has killed more Americans than we could even imagine by betraying our national security and assets. I'm not even counting all the people he lead to their deaths-by-COVID.

This election is an IQ test for America.

@#209 ... You're joking, right? The song and dance went on for over a year. ...

Yup. It started in early 2021, soon after fmr Pres Trump left the White House.

Timeline of the Trump Documents Inquiry (September 2022)
www.voanews.com

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May 2021
The National Archives and Records Administration, also known as NARA, emails Trump's lawyers, notifying them that some two dozen boxes of original records were not turned over, according to The Washington Post.

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June 3, 2022
A Trump representative, whose name is redacted in the Justice Department filing, asserts that "a diligent search" was conducted for documents at Mar-a-Lago removed from the White House and that "any and all responsive documents accompany this certification."

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August 8, 2022
Federal agents execute a search warrant at Trump's Florida property, uncovering 13 boxes or containers with documents marked classified -- "more than twice the amount produced June 3 in response to the grand jury subpoena." Trump was not at the property at the time, and media reports showed him at Trump Tower in Manhattan.

A photo released in a court filing later that month shows some of the seized documents with clear markings of "Top Secret" and "Secret." ...

etc., etc., etc...

^In fact he actively TOOK steps to conceal, AND actively ENLISTED other people to help him conceal.

Fuggin' transcription software.

Trump calls Biden's handling of classified documents "brazen theft"
www.axios.com

... Former President Trump called President Biden's handling of classified documents investigated by special counsel Robert Hur "brazen theft" Saturday at a "Get Out the Vote" rally in South Carolina. ...