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The Bulwark's Thomas Joscelyn and Norman Eisen write about a podcast Kash Patel did in 2022 titled "What did the FBI Know Before Jan. 6?"

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Patel helped the felonious orange turd incite J6.

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#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-06 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's all good... this is what Trumpers voted for; the weirder the conspiracy theory the better.

It makes great TV!

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-06 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wait. What about those Antifa folks? Can't they get credit for anything? Their whole thing about 'Blue Lives Matter' is about to get dashed on the rocks, when King Dotard II lets loose all those folks who assaulted the Capitol Police in that giant cosplay and guided tour on 1/6/21...

#3 | Posted by catdog at 2025-01-06 04:36 PM | Reply

Related...

Proud Boys leader serving 22 years for Jan. 6 conviction asks Trump for a pardon
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... Enrique Tarrio, the former Proud Boys chairman who is serving 22 years in federal prison after he was convicted of seditious conspiracy in relation to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, is asking President-elect Donald Trump for a presidential pardon. ...

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-06 05:49 PM | Reply

"But... but... he was just a Tourist!" - FishVisitor

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-06 06:03 PM | Reply

Had Trump simply conceded the election, just like every other losing POTUS candidate in history, Ashli Babbitt would still be alive.

Swallow it.

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-06 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

@#6 ... Had Trump simply conceded the election, just like every other losing POTUS candidate in history, Ashli Babbitt would still be alive. ...

Yup.

Something that I remembered this afternoon when I saw VP Harris leading the certification of the Election that she lost to Pres-elect Trump ...

Back in 2001, fmr VP Gore put the gavel down to certify the election results that showed he lost to fmr Pres GW Bush.


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-06 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

------- MAGAT -------.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-06 09:21 PM | Reply

They had 26 confidential informants on the ground at the time, some of whom breached security barriers and were never charged with a crime.

Evidence exists that the FBI may have planned and instigated the Governor Whitmer kidnapping that they then foiled.

As for J6, whether or not the FBI was involved in initiating a riot, that's no excuse for the violence and rioting that occurred.

Nevertheless, we need transparency on this. Period.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-07 12:21 AM | Reply

#4 #5 He wasn't even there.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-07 12:24 AM | Reply

@#9 ... They had 26 confidential informants on the ground at the time, ...

Got a link?

... Evidence exists ...

Got a link?


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-07 12:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#10 ... #4 #5 He wasn't even there. ...

... and your point is?

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-07 12:38 AM | Reply

This is all recent news and is well known. Use Google if you don't believe me.

If it was something obscure or dated, I'd provide a link. Quit acting like it doesn't exist. it does.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-07 12:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

This is all recent news and is well known.
#13 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

Yea, it's all over the QAnon boards.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-07 12:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kash Patel Believes the FBI Planned Jan. 6th

"If he believes it, it must be true!"
-Deplorable Trumping MAGAts

The misinformation campaign launched by the Republican Party in response to 1/6 has been nothing short of brilliant.

Literal footage of mob violence and rioting completely ignored because the cult of Trump is very effective at controlling the narrative.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-07 12:49 AM | Reply

#12 My comment was for #4 and #5. Be a dear and ef off.

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-07 12:50 AM | Reply

Evidence exists that the FBI may have planned and instigated the Governor Whitmer kidnapping that they then foiled.

That's quite an interesting take on FBI infiltrating militia groups and foiling their plans.

"The FBI planned it and foiled it and blamed it on innocent Deplorable Trumping MAGAts!"
- Deplorable Trumping MAGAts

Fkkking morons.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-07 12:53 AM | Reply

@#16 ... My comment was for #4 and #5. Be a dear and ef off. ...

So, the apparent response from your current alias when someone dares to ask a question of it, is to f-off?

Good to know.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-07 01:16 AM | Reply

He's a troll and you knock him off his bridge too often.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-07 01:21 AM | Reply

@#19 ... He's a troll ...

Well, imo, yeah.

I have tried to have a conversation with that alias, but it seems to be more of what I call a ~post and run~ alias, i.e., an alias that seems to be too frightened to provide any manner of substantiation for what it posts. And, when asked for substantiation, it seems to just go away.

My current view of that alias is that it seems to try to do little more than disrupt the conversation, and rarely contributes to the conversation.

Quite similar, in my opinion, to how other current aliases act.



#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-07 01:39 AM | Reply

You know, when you were asked to leave GE we had a party. After you left. You were not missed.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-07 02:34 AM | Reply

@#21 ... You know, when you were asked to leave GE ...

Huh?

Do try to be coherent.


#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-07 02:51 AM | Reply

Do try to be coherent.

That would be a big lift.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-07 03:03 AM | Reply

Shriekback - Nemesis (1985)
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Lyrics excerpt ...

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...
In a jungle of the senses
Tinkerbell and Jack the Ripper
Love has no meaning, not where they come from
But we know pleasure is not that simple
Very little fruit is forbidden

Sometimes we wobble, sometimes we're strong

But you know evil is an exact science
...


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-07 03:24 AM | Reply

The next 4 yrs in America will be an absolute disaster/travesty.

#25 | Posted by earthmuse at 2025-01-07 08:28 AM | Reply

America survived Bush and Nixon and Reagan. But it wasn't always a very pretty sight.

We will survive Trump. But it won't be pretty either.

"You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing after they have tried everything else."

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-07 09:42 AM | Reply

Literal footage...
#15 | Posted by ClownShack

Who are you going to believe? The Pubs or your lying eyes?

#27 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-01-07 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They had 26 confidential informants on the ground at the time, some of whom breached security barriers and were never charged with a crime."

It would have been totally irresponsible not to have had such undercover agents watching the crazies, that building houses our Congress. You think it should have just been left up to the crazies to decide how to protect Speaer Pelosi and other members. It seems that you think the fact that some agencies like the FBI did'nt just wal away and leave Congress with no protection somehow excuses the barbarians who were sacking the Capital for the crimes they committed. The real question is why was the President watching it happen on TV but not doing his job which would have beem to deploy the forces necessary to stop yhe insurrection.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2025-01-07 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

why was the President watching it happen on TV but not doing his job which would have beem to deploy the forces necessary to stop yhe insurrection.

#28 | POSTED BY DANNI

Yup.

And so welcome to four more years of abuse of power AND dereliction of duty.

I hope you all are standing by to stand back and stand by.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-07 10:21 AM | Reply

They had 26 confidential informants on the ground at the time, some of whom breached security barriers and were never charged with a crime.

They were all very "special" people and Trumpy loved them. Well except for 26 of them. Apparently.

Good luck trying to rewrite history. You are going to need a much more powerful (bad guy) AI than you currently have.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-07 10:26 AM | Reply

Evidence exists that the FBI may have planned and instigated the Governor Whitmer kidnapping that they then foiled.

This from the same person who thinks the parents were just "speaking out" at school board meetings...

In other words, your integrity, judgement and credibility are lower than whale s*&^.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-07 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

The FBI had 26 agents working the crowd on J6. That's what the FBI admitted. If you disagree, take it up with the FBI.

#32 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-07 11:35 AM | Reply

Wait, you mean the FBI would have informants in extremist groups and would be present at an event advertised for months to those extremist groups? And a whole 26 out of how many thousands? Wowowowowowowow.

Idiot. GFY.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-07 11:41 AM | Reply

The FBI had 26 agents working the crowd on J6. That's what the FBI admitted. If you disagree, take it up with the FBI.

#32 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Since you are the liar I will take it up with you.

From the office of the Inspector General:

No Undercover FBI Employees at Protests or at the Capitol on January 6. We found no evidence in the materials we reviewed or the testimony we received showing or suggesting that the FBI had undercover employees in the various protest crowds, or at the Capitol, on January 6.

What you are referring to are called Confidential Human Sources or CHS. CHS's are NOT agents.

From the same IG report:

Twenty-six FBI CHSs were in Washington, D.C. on January 6 in connection with the events of January 6.

...

Our review determined that none of these FBI CHSs was authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or a restricted area or to otherwise break the law on January 6, nor was any CHS directed by the FBI to encourage others to commit illegal acts on January 6.
oig.justice.gov

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-07 11:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I don't believe Kash is that stupid. He's just fawning to the Magadiots. It wasn't Trump, himself and other - nooooo Blame it on the GOP leaning FBI and repeat over and over until they believe - so once these days.

#35 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-01-07 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" In other words, your integrity, judgement and credibility are lower than whale s*&^.

#31 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-01-07 11:19 AM | FLAG: "

Go find a new----------, loser.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-07 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Go find a new----------, loser.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-07 11:55 AM | Reply

He's not the one who supports a traitor to the United States of America. That would be you Jeff.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-07 12:03 PM | Reply

#13 | Posted by BellRinger

You made the claims. You provide the proof. Liar!

Damn! I sure wish we had a "Liar!" flag on this site!

#38 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-01-07 12:07 PM | Reply

Go find a new----------, loser.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger

Interesting you don't even attempt to deny it.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-07 12:10 PM | Reply

" 38 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2025-01-07 12:07 PM | FLAG:
It's recent and well known news.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-07 12:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#39. I responded appropriately to your comment.

#41 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-07 12:13 PM | Reply

It's recent and well known news.
#40 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

This catch phrase of yours doesn't actually convince anyone you know wtf you're talking about.

When you makes an assertion, it's up to you to prove it, regardless how well know it is amongst QANon-Morons, like yourself.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-07 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I responded appropriately to your comment.

#41 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hurling yer feces about like a monkey IS appropriate ... for a monkey.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-07 12:18 PM | Reply

Jeffy has become quite the masochistic poser, erm, poster; he must really enjoy all the abuse.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-07 12:22 PM | Reply

#42

He doesn't provide his source because he knows the source will be a joke.

#45 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-01-07 12:25 PM | Reply

So the 26 were 1099 independent contractors and not W2. That distinction makes no difference. Those agents of the FBI committed crimes on behalf of the FBI.

#46 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-07 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He doesn't provide his source because he knows the source will be a joke.

Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-01-07 12:25 PM | Reply

Yeppers so very true.

#47 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-07 12:27 PM | Reply

So the 26 were 1099 independent contractors and not W2. That distinction makes no difference. Those agents of the FBI committed crimes on behalf of the FBI.

#46 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Makes a huge difference. First it proves that you lied. (Again)

And second that you are lying to say they committed crimes "on behalf of the fbi".

If you have evidence to the contrary I suggest you contact the Office of the Inspector General at oig.justice.gov because his official report to Congress says the exact opposite.

Our review determined that none of these FBI CHSs was authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or a restricted area or to otherwise break the law on January 6, nor was any CHS directed by the FBI to encourage others to commit illegal acts on January 6.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-07 12:42 PM | Reply

Trump and his supporters WANTED an insurrection, WANTED to stop Congress from counting the votes, WANTED to impose martial law, but it didn't work out so now it was all planned by the FBI. Sure.

#49 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2025-01-07 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"The question that has to be answered is, when did the FBI put those guys in, and where? And did those confidential human sources engage people who are not going to conduct criminal activity and convince them to do so?" Patel claimed that "is the definition of entrapment, which is illegal, and you can't charge someone who's been entrapped." And he wondered who "was running this confidential human source network" and reporting it to FBI Director Chris Wray.

Far from what the headline says.

#50 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-01-07 01:58 PM | Reply

If you have evidence to the contrary I suggest you contact the Office of the Inspector General at oig.justice.gov because his official report to Congress says the exact opposite.

Our review determined that none of these FBI CHSs was authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or a restricted area or to otherwise break the law on January 6, nor was any CHS directed by the FBI to encourage others to commit illegal acts on January 6.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-07 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:
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So answer this, why didn't any of them get arrested for doing the exact same thing that non FBI personal did who did get arrested?

#51 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-01-07 02:01 PM | Reply

They have to ride this lie to the grave because the alternative is admitting they worship a treasonous con man who attempted a coup.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-01-07 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#39. I responded appropriately to your comment.

#41 | Posted by BellRinger

By proving it right?

C'mon, jeff, tell us again how they were just poor momma bears standing up for their kids and doing nothing wrong when they were targeted by the mean, corrupt eff bee eye!

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-07 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Those agents of the FBI committed crimes on behalf of the FBI.

#46 | Posted by visitor_

Wait until this idiot finds out undercover cops buy drugs...

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-07 02:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

They were too busy investigating parents who got testy at school board meetings, abortion protesters, Catholics and J6 violators who were waived in by Capitol police, walked around for 15 minutes and then left.

That's way more important than keeping tabs on probable terrorists.

#2 | Posted by BellRinger

This is you, correct?

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-07 02:30 PM | Reply

The next 4 yrs in America will be an absolute disaster/travesty.

#25 | Posted by earthmuse

Some of you have decided it's already going to go that way.

I'm rarely optimistic about anything politically. It's what makes me a constant fence-sitter.

I simply have little faith in positive change as a result of elections.

However, I believe in positive change from other perspectives and sources.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-07 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#55. Yep and I stand by what I wrote

#57 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-07 03:19 PM | Reply

It would have been totally irresponsible not to have had such undercover agents watching the crazies, that building houses our Congress. You think it should have just been left up to the crazies to decide how to protect Speaer Pelosi and other members. It seems that you think the fact that some agencies like the FBI did'nt just wal away and leave Congress with no protection somehow excuses the barbarians who were sacking the Capital for the crimes they committed. The real question is why was the President watching it happen on TV but not doing his job which would have beem to deploy the forces necessary to stop yhe insurrection.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2025-01-07 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well then, since according to the left J6 was worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11 combined they did a pretty crappy job didn't they? Based on that alone the FBI should be overhauled.

#58 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-01-07 03:26 PM | Reply

Well then, since according to the left J6 was worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11 combined they did a pretty crappy job didn't they? Based on that alone the FBI should be overhauled.

Posted by fishpaw at 2025-01-07 03:26 PM | Reply

It is worse. When a sitting president attempts to overthrow the Constitution and the rule of law yes it is worse.

#59 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-07 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#59 So that would be an insurrection right? Was he charged with it? No, there wasn't a case. Go in a corner with Kinzinger and ball your eyes out. The American people decided that trying to bankrupt, jail and then assassinate it's political opponent was far worse than some protesters breaking into the capital and then leaving after 3 hours. Don't take my word for it, look at the election results. And btw, J-6 was all your party had to run on, people were tired of it and your failed policies. Try again next time.

#60 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-01-07 03:39 PM | Reply

#59 So that would be an insurrection right? Was he charged with it? No, there wasn't a case. Go in a corner with Kinzinger and ball your eyes out. The American people decided that trying to bankrupt, jail and then assassinate it's political opponent was far worse than some protesters breaking into the capital and then leaving after 3 hours. Don't take my word for it, look at the election results. And btw, J-6 was all your party had to run on, people were tired of it and your failed policies. Try again next time.

#60 | Posted by fishpaw

Biden reached out to you morons by appointing a coward as AG who wouldnt prosecute your cult leader for his mountain of crimes, and your response is to gloat and declare him innocent.

Hopefully dems learn their lesson about giving you monsters a break.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-01-07 04:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

61

Merrick Garland was an olive branch offering to the right?

What evidence is there of that?

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-07 04:47 PM | Reply

#55. Yep and I stand by what I wrote

#57 | Posted by BellRinger

Then you can't take issue with my assessment in #31.

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-07 05:03 PM | Reply

The FBI hasn't been the same since J Edgar was laughed out of Dior.

#64 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-07 05:38 PM | Reply

Ephran Zimbalist Jr. was never an actual G Man. Fact!

#65 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-07 05:39 PM | Reply

Clear the decks!

#66 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-07 05:39 PM | Reply

Fire in the hole!

#67 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-07 05:40 PM | Reply

Oh Doctor!

#68 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-07 05:40 PM | Reply

69!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#69 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-07 05:40 PM | Reply

Merrick Garland was an olive branch offering to the right?

What evidence is there of that?

#62 | Posted by eberly

Obama got him from the federalist society. He was a judge. Not a prosecutor.

Biden probably thought it would be improper to even ASK him about how aggressively he'd go after trump. Following rules that the other party doesn't play by.

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-01-07 06:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#60 | Posted by fishpaw

Your willful ignorance is noted! Look up seditious conspiracy and weep.

Then swallow it

#71 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-07 08:38 PM | Reply

" Then you can't take issue with my assessment in #31.

#63 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-01-07 05:03 PM | FLAG: "

Sure I can. What I said was accurate.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-07 11:04 PM | Reply

Very likely you are all at least partly right. A CHS is not an employee or a 1099 contractor. A CHS is basically a registered snitch, part of the general population who associates with criminals. Sometimes they are given nominal cash payments, but most of them seem to thrive on the attention and information they get from law enforcement. Per policy, they are NEVER authorized to break the law or encourage others to do so, but if they do, they are likely to receive leniency in recognition of whatever assistance they have provided. Their presence in the crowd should not be surprising or controversial.

I don't believe FBI Agents infiltrated these groups and directed the incursion, or that agents committed cries. I also don't believe the FBI didn't at least have a plainclothes presence in the crowd that day. If they didn't they failed us. In my DC days the FBI (and other Feds) popped up all over the place in protest activities. Sometimes we took them to jail to protect their cover. In all cases we were not permitted to include any information about their presence in our reports, something we took umbrage with.

The FBI is secretive to a fault, and the careful phrasing of the Inspector General reflects that. "We found no evidence in the materials we reviewed or the testimony we received showing or suggesting that the FBI had undercover employees in the various protest crowds, or at the Capitol, on January 6". Note they limited their analysis to materials and testimony they "reviewed". The FBI could have withheld or redacted materials and restricted certain personnel from testifying for a myriad of reasons the IG would have found acceptable. Transparency is not one of the FBI's core values. Secondly, FBI personnel would only be considered "undercover" if they had established fictitious identities and developed relationships with conspirators. Anonymous personnel mixing with the crow would be considered "plainclothes" not "undercover".

#73 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-01-08 12:36 AM | Reply

Following rules that the other party doesn't play by.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Pretty much sums up the current problem with the Democratic Party and why they lost this election so badly. Here's hoping they learn from it.

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 08:38 AM | Reply

So answer this, why didn't any of them get arrested for doing the exact same thing that non FBI personal did who did get arrested?

#51 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

I don't know. Do you?

So you answer this. Are those goalposts heavy? They don't seem very heavy. You move them so easily.

#75 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:00 AM | Reply

Sure I can. What I said was accurate.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger

Then you're an idiot who should just stop opining on things because you're too dense to discern when you're being lied to and when you're not.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 09:14 AM | Reply

What I said was accurate.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger

There is a first for everything.

But this isn't it.

The wait continues.

#77 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-01-08 10:31 AM | Reply

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