Like it or not, this is starting to look less like a protest and more like a war zone.

When people aren't just chanting, but actively interfering with arrests, blowing whistles to warn targets, swarming agents, and escalating every encounter, it stops being "free speech" and becomes street conflict.

And once that dynamic takes over, it's only a matter of time before someone gets killed. Not that it's "inevitable," but because chaos plus adrenaline plus weapons always ends the same way.

Instigators don't get to pretend they're innocent when they're deliberately turning every enforcement action into a confrontation.

I don't accept the idea that agents are "out of control" when shots are fired. These are trained professionals operating in a high stakes environment, and when they use force, it's because their training tells them they're dealing with a lethal situation. We may not like the outcome, but this isn't random panic. It's what happens when you mix a volatile crowd, armed resistance and nobody backs down. These agents are trained to kill. It's part of their job description if and when it's needed. I'm not endorsing violence, but like I said, this is becoming a war zone.

The way it went down, it looks like they weren't trying to send him to the hospital. Whatever their intent, they wanted him dead, not wounded

This is exactly how a city spirals. Crowds get bolder, law enforcement gets jumpier, and the gap between "order" and "violence" disappears.

If people really want to prevent more deaths, the answer isn't more hysteria. It's de-escalation and discipline and consequences for anyone who crosses the line into obstruction or violence.

Corky,

I'll answer you only once.

This is about deportation and agents arresting targeted, probably violent, individuals.

And the protestors are placing themselves in the middle.

People who voted for Trump, want to see him address the border and the undocumented immigrant problem.

There's no pretty way to get this goal accomplishmented.

Like it or not, protestors are putting themselves at risk and the results are in the news.

I don't buy your "inexperienced undertrained thugs" description.

This is likely the sort of scenario they have trained for, and for many this is the first time they had to use that training.

Again...the protestors are putting themselves at risk and no one is seeking them out just to shoot them.

Rein,

All red wouldn't have the same look as Pollock's other work.

Have you seen the movie "Pollock"? Interesting.

Another internally conflicted suffering artist story.

Alex,

"Probe finds ICE wrongly detained staggering 2,300 people in just 6 months"

I question the authenticity and accuracy of whatever you read that produced those numbers..

Regardless, what do you propose be done instead?

Just give up on the goal of rounding up targeted violent and simply undocumented individuals?

Really...what do you propose be done instead?

Serious? Answer the question.

It is unfortunate mistakes would happen...but again...what do you propose be done about the undocumented problem in America?

I'd love to hear your ideas.

Alex,

I totally support the idea of a fast track to citizenship for well vetted individuals.

Other than that, what else do you know?

More ignoring it is not the answer.

Lft,

Same question.

Suppose ICE was no more.

What do you suggest be done instead, to achieve the goals ICE is going after.

Or is your suggestion ignore the problem like has been done for years?

Go for it...I want to hear some ideas.

Lamp,

Yea...I agree...I was pretty shocked when the agent fired more rounds.

It's pretty simple. They wanted him absolutely dead.

What a bad situation going on there.

I wouldn't go near it.

It's pretty shocking to me still.

But...we're not talking about the reason ICE is there.

Jpw,

Like I've said before, we have plenty of problem pointer-outers.

Lots of those.

But a shortage of problem solvers.

Granted...the deaths are bad. I agree.

So...what is your solution to the objectives ICE is dealing with?

Boaz,

"You arent going to get the correct answer Bill."

I don't have a "correct" answer in mind. This is not rhetorical.

I want to know if anyone has any other ideas.

All these educated liberals, surely someone has a suggestion of some sort.