Do you think you're exceptional?
If we arent exceptional, why are they here?
If Ecuador is exceptional too, why arent they going home? Sorry you are in my country illegally, but maybe it's time for you to go home.
#16 | Posted by boaz

I wonder if we can test your commitment to the founding principles of our country, something you allude to in your #19 post

Is each of the people allegedly here illegally entitled to an impartial hearing?

Are you aware that many, if not most, of the people being rounded up by ICE are actually here legally going through the process to gain legal status?

Are you aware that there IS a process for a person who allegedly enters illegally to gain legal status?

Are you aware that many, if not most, of the undocumented people who are described as being here illegally, are actually asylum seekers?

Do you believe that there should be a formal, impartial process to determine who is here legally including identifying those people whose asylum claims are legitimate?

I am curious as to your commitment to one of the basic things that makes America exceptional-due process before the law

"We argue over reality itself."

Interesting comment.

I assume you think conservatives are the ones dealing with "reality"

I have a few questions for you

Who won the 2020 presidential election?

Were Haitians eating cats and dogs in Ohio?

Do Republicans have a health care plan?

Do you believe women are getting post birth abortions?

Do you believe a staffer posted on Trump's social media account a picture of the Obamas as apes?

Anyone going through the legal status, are they still citizens of their prior countries? Why is it a requirement that they stay here in the U.S. when asking to become a citizen?

#34 | Posted by boaz

I find it interesting that you are committed to attacking undocumented people but don't understand the basic principle of asylum or temporary protected status.

These people are fleeing oppression and violence. That is why they are permitted to stay in America until their claim is heard.

Or they are here because their government collapsed and they were subject to violence (i.e. Haitians)

These people are here legally; they are going through a process and MANY of them are being swept up and deported or threatened with confinement in detention camps until their cases can be heard. That is a goal and policy of this administration, that EVERYONE who is here undocumented, seeking asylum or TPS are kept in detention camps (with all of the attendant suffering) until their cases are heard. Detained contrary to court orders btw.

The due process is the process laid out lawfully that doesnt include coming as a vacationer and just staying, then claiming asylum.

#31 | Posted by boaz

You're confusing an alleged crime or action with how a government interacts with the individual.

That is a foundational principle of western democracy for like 800 years.

How does one ESTABLISH that a person came as a vacationer and just staying? How do you ESTABLISH the validity of their asylum claim?

I honestly don't think you understand how law works (or is supposed to work)

And times are no longer like what she was in back then. Now, there's more scrutiny on immigrants than in the past.
Immigrants just cannot do it the way your mother did. Those times are over.

#37 | Posted by boaz

Can you recognize the positive that vastly outweighs the negative of immigrants?

Immigrants are hard working. Immigrants work for lower wages, commit fewer crimes, put more $ into the system then they get out, are a critical component of the labor force when a native population isn't expanding? Can you not comprehend the incredible benefits of a diverse society? A rich tapestry of experiences, and perspectives, and innovation and art and commerce? Brilliant immigrants fill our schools of higher learning bringing innovation that fuels business. Children of immigrants start new businesses. Yes, there are difficulties in the transition due to language and some cultural barriers but those pale beside the benefits they bring.

You come on an vacation visa and you never leave, what the fuck is there to establish?
#48 | Posted by boaz

Ummm that you are who the state says you are, for one.

That you actually are the person that overstayed their visa.

You know, important legal things.

YOU also mentioned seeking asylum, where eligibility needs to be established.

You are aware of the scores of people rounded up and flown to that El Salvadoran prison were not who and what the government said they were? that sort of "establishing" The kind of action that a government based on due process prioritizes

"The quality of the immigrant changed."

Are you saying that people from central and south America and Africa and the far east are inherently lower quality?