Thursday, October 09, 2025

'ICE Goes Masked for a Single Reason'

David Wallace-Wells: "ICE goes masked for a single reason " to terrorize Americans into quiescence," a federal judge, William Young, wrote in a blistering 161-page First Amendment ruling handed down last week. "In all our history we have never tolerated an armed masked secret police," he continued. The judge, a Reagan appointee, compared immigration agents to "cowardly desperados and the despised Ku Klux Klan" and declared that federal efforts to deport outspoken protesters amounted to a "full-throated assault" on freedom of speech."

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"ICE brings indelible obloquy to this administration and everyone who works in it."

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

A true statement, but oo fancy for MAGA.

In simpler terms:

ICE are pigs, and everyone who supports it are pigs.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 08:33 AM

"A true statement, but too fancy for MAGA"

ICE needs to be doxxed.

It's a question of community protection.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 08:34 AM

My memories of the 1967 March on the Pentagon have faded over the years, but some remain pretty vivid. After being in the crowd I moved to a more elevated spot and observed as the scene unfolded, leaving when a few bozos attempted to charge the building. Through it all you were talking in excess of 50,000 anti war demonstrators, troops and other federal officers. Rifles were out, flowers shoved down some barrels. It was an apprehensive sort of situation. And yet, throughout, I never once saw a soldier or marshal disguising their identity behind a mask. I did some searching this morning on the google machine and, nope, no masks (other than visors on helmets or gas masks for tear gas).

There is only one valid reason for ICE goons to wear masks: they do not want to be held responsible for their behavior.

#3 | Posted by Doc_sarvis at 2025-10-09 08:44 AM

No paywall here archive.ph

Doc, if you pay for a subscription you should be able to use gift links when you post Times articles. Look for a link at the bottom of the page.

#4 | Posted by qcp at 2025-10-09 08:48 AM

"ICE needs to be doxxed [sic]."

You can't have it both ways. If you don't want law enforcement to wear masks, you shouldn't give them a reason to.

"And yet, throughout, I never once saw a soldier or marshal disguising their identity behind a mask. I did some searching this morning on the google machine and, nope, no masks (other than visors on helmets or gas masks for tear gas)."

A counterargument is that doxing (the correct spelling) was not as prevalent nor as easy as it is today.

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 09:05 AM

You can't have it both ways.

#5 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I'm not.

ICE in masks are terrorists.

I was recently in Belfast. It was shocking to see huge murals of MASKED MEN pointing guns at me.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:22 AM

If you don't want law enforcement to wear masks, you shouldn't give them a reason to.

#5 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Give me a break.

WEARING THE MASKS is what endangers ICE.

It marks them as consciously adopting the role of enemy.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:24 AM

ICE are goons.

SAYING that is much more than what has already gotten private citizens visits at home by the goons.

This next year represents our last chance to rein this in a calm way.

Otherwise I'm going to be visited and, know what? I think that you will be too.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:28 AM

RE: #5
"... A counterargument is that doxing (the correct spelling)..."

au contraire:

ttps://english.stackexchange.com/questions/496123/should-it-be-doxxed-doxxing-or-doxed-doxing

#9 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2025-10-09 09:31 AM

The intent of the masks is obvious, but apparently not to everyone(!).

ICE could easily have secured identifying markings (with or without masks).
Are numbered badges/ID's no longer available?
Again, the reasons ICE does not is obvious.

#10 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2025-10-09 09:36 AM

"I'm not."

You are. By advocating doxing (the correct spelling), you are contributing to the very problem that you are bitching about.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 09:38 AM

By advocating doxing

#11 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I'm resisting.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:41 AM

"ICE are goons."

ICE is being misused by the current admin. Your response? "Abolish ICE! Defund the police!" The same crap that got this administration elected.

"Give me a break."

You don't deserve one.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 09:41 AM

POSTED BY SENTINEL

ICE isn't law enforcement.

ICE are political troops.

THE SS were political troops.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:43 AM

The government is attacking citizens. Time for the 2nd amendment people to stand up. This is what it's for,

#15 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-10-09 09:45 AM

Time for the 2nd amendment people to stand up. This is what it's for,

#15 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Well, that's what they said.

Over and over again.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:46 AM

"ICE goes masked for a single reason " to terrorize Americans into quiescence,"

Where we started this discussion,

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:49 AM

"I'm resisting."

Make sure you shout that loud and clear when they tase you.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 09:50 AM

Make sure you shout that loud and clear when they tase you.

#18 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

LOL.

Donald Trump is going to KILL someone in the streets, not only taze them.

He's going to make sure of that.

Because he can't allow next year's elections to go forward.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:52 AM

"It's a question of community protection."

Protecting whom?

Whom is at risk from ICE.

When I go back to the US, ICE is the least of my worries.

They are federal agents doing the work of the federal government. They are enforcing federal policy. If you don't like the policy, don't blame ICE, blame the people who creates the policy.

The anti-ICE stance is just baffling to me. Would it better if the agency was simply ignoring US policy?

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 09:52 AM

So they can shoot pastors in the head with pepper balls?

#21 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-10-09 09:55 AM

Trump can't allow next year's elections to go forward because if the did in any sort of free and fair way then there WILL be another impeachment, and this one WILL throw him out of office, and then he WILL be prosecuted for war crimes and crimes against his own people.

The above statement is simply how the cow ate the cabbage. I wish dearly that it was not true.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:55 AM

If you don't like the policy, don't blame ICE, blame the people who creates the policy.

#20 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Hitler was rightfully blamed for the SS, and the SS was rightly blamed for its behavior.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:56 AM

By advocating doxing (the correct spelling), you are contributing to the very problem that you are bitching about.
#11 | Posted by sentinel

Make all the excuses you want.
Fact is, only fascists support Secret Police.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 09:57 AM

The anti-ICE stance is just baffling to me.

#20 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It shouldn't be.

The argument has been laid out clearly above.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:57 AM

The anti-ICE stance is just baffling to me.
#20 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You're confused why other police show their faces and badges?

We believe you.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 09:58 AM

"WEARING THE MASKS is what endangers ICE.
It marks them as consciously adopting the role of enemy."
#7 | Posted by Zed

You're as nutty as the anti-maskskers.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 09:59 AM

"Whom is at risk from ICE."

Everyone.
They raid citizens homes without a warrant.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 09:59 AM

I like "doxxing" better.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 10:04 AM

What's the Republican reason ICE goes masked, it's Officer Safety right?

So why aren't other police masked?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:06 AM

"Protecting whom?"
"Whom is at risk from ICE."

The first sentence is a correct use of "whom", because it's the object. The second is not.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 10:06 AM

"So they can shoot pastors in the head with pepper balls?"

Pastors, truck drivers, NFL players, mobsters, or anyone else who interferes with their assigned missions.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:07 AM

"The argument has been laid out clearly above."

Have you always been anti-ICE, or is this a new thing?

A better question is have you always been against the US having an immigration policy?

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:08 AM

'I like "doxxing" better.'

Do you pronounce it 'doksksing'?

Just because something is common, doesn't mean it's correct.

Like misusing the word 'literally'. The English langage is literally raped every time someone does that.

#34 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 10:09 AM

"They raid citizens homes without a warrant."

Really?

They just randomly bust into the houses of US citizens?

How many US citizens have been deported?

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:09 AM

"So why aren't other police masked?"

I guess you've never seen pictures of Portland Police during the 2020 riots, have you?

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:12 AM

How many US citizens have been deported?

Who would know?

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-09 10:13 AM

They (ICE) just randomly bust into the houses of US citizens?

#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Yes.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 10:19 AM

They (ICE) just randomly bust into the houses of US citizens?
#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Are you really this clueless?
I suppose you are.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:20 AM

I guess you've never seen pictures of Portland Police during the 2020 riots, have you?

#36 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You have no problems with police being anonymous.

Which means you have no problems with a secret police.

Argument?

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 10:20 AM

"They just randomly bust into the houses of US citizens?"

No, they plan assaults on US citizens homes.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:20 AM

"I guess you've never seen pictures of Portland Police during the 2020 riots, have you?"

Which pictures do you have in mind?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:21 AM

"How many US citizens have been deported?"

What's the number where you say "that's too many?"
Spoiler alert: there is no number where you say that's too many.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:22 AM

Pastors, truck drivers, NFL players, mobsters, or anyone else who interferes with their assigned missions.

#32 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That pastor's assault by ICE was videotaped.

Time for you to get off your ass and see it.

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 10:22 AM

There's the one where ICE rammed the lady's car in front of them, then shot her.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:25 AM

Would it better if the agency was simply ignoring US policy?

No, only ignore the conservative policies. All progressives ones should be informed, right liberals?

#46 | Posted by boaz at 2025-10-09 10:26 AM

"anyone else who interferes with their assigned missions."

What's the mission?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:26 AM

Is merely existing in public near ICE the same as interfering with their assigned mission?

Your answer has to be "yes" if you want what you're saying to match what's happening.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:27 AM

They are enforcing federal policy.

ICE is usurping federal policy from coast to coast. Americans have the right to defend themselves and their property. They should stand their ground and defend themselves and their neighbors. As soon as ICE enters their places of business, veihicles and domiciles, the agents of the federal government should be met with lethal resistance. Liberty over safety.

#49 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-10-09 10:28 AM

"They are enforcing federal policy."

Which Federal policy gives the government the right to enter homes without a warrant?
Be specific.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:29 AM

By advocating doxing (the correct spelling), you are contributing to the very problem that you are bitching about.

#11 | Posted by sentinel

It's not a problem.

They should be doxed.

Judges, Prosecutors, and Law Enforcement are all known. They don't get to hide who they are. Hell, they get posted with names on the government websites and big smiling pictures so you know what they look like.

When Law Enforcement makes an arrest, they have to write up a little report about what happened, who was there, etc. It's all out in the open as much as possible. Body cam footage becomes available even.

ICE shouldn't be treated differently.

#51 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-10-09 10:31 AM

It's time for statesmanship. Fortunately for the militarized plutocratic government the electorate has been doped into submission. We're no longer a democratic constitutional republic. We've sadly devolved into a militarized plutocracy.

#52 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-10-09 10:34 AM

"Who would know?"

12. Or was 12.

Infants and young children born to mothers who were in the country illegally.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:34 AM

"Yes."

Link?

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:37 AM

"You have no problems with police being anonymous."

I don't really care. The way I see it, it's no different than when US aviators at overseas bases used to cover their faces and remove any sort of identifying features. Let you wind up on an ISIS or Al-qaeda hit list, which many of my friends and co-workers did.

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:38 AM

"Infants and young children born to mothers who were in the country illegally."

As adjudicated by a court, or merely alleged?

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-10-09 10:39 AM

Much better than supporting protesters being anonymous. Especially when some are rioting.

You do remember that, prior to the COVID catastrophe, many areas prohibited the wearing of masks in public.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:40 AM

Like all MAGA, ICE are nothing but fascist cowards.

#58 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-10-09 10:40 AM

"Which pictures do you have in mind?"

Google "Portland Riot 2020."

It's all right there at your fingertips.

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:42 AM

#57

So you support a senile maniac making war on the American people because his wittle feelings are hurt. Got it.

#60 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-10-09 10:43 AM

"Like all MAGA, ICE are nothing but fascist cowards."

Has that always been the case? Even when Obama was the president?

Remember, between 2009 and 2017, they were enforcing his immigration and customs policies.

#61 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:44 AM

"It's not a problem.
They should be doxed."

If you truly believe that, then you shouldn't feign outrage when the other side uses doxing to intimidate and physically endanger their opponents.

"Judges, Prosecutors, and Law Enforcement are all known. They don't get to hide who they are."

They will if people keep targeting them with violence.

#62 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 10:44 AM

#59

Which pictures? The fake AI shit you losers believe is real? Bwahaha. Fucking cunt.

#63 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-10-09 10:44 AM

Google "Portland Riot 2020."

I saw police in gas masks, after they fired tear gas.
You're saying everywhere ICE goes is a riot?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:44 AM

"So you support a senile maniac making war on the American people because his wittle feelings are hurt. Got it."

I'm not sure what you're referencing. ICE is simply enforcing policy. If there is a war, it's a war defending US policy against those who would defy it. No different than any other Federal Law Enforcement agency.

#65 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:45 AM

"They will if people keep targeting them with violence."

Some judge from Edisto Beach SC on line #1 for you. She s got a "hot take" on your position.

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-10-09 10:46 AM

"If you truly believe that, then you shouldn't feign outrage when the other side uses doxing to intimidate and physically endanger their opponents."

Like Trump deporting protesters against ethnic cleansing in Palestine?

We shouldn't be outraged by that, because we think we have the right to know who is receiving government paychecks.

Where's the connection?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:46 AM

"You're saying everywhere ICE goes is a riot?"

ICE Officers have become targets. You never know when some whack-job protester is going to cross the line and attempt to use violence.

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:47 AM

"ICE is simply enforcing policy."

Again, what policy is ICE enforcing when they zip-tie naked children?
???

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:47 AM

"ICE Officers have become targets."

Targets of what?

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:48 AM

"Some judge from Edisto Beach SC on line #1 for you. She s got a "hot take" on your position."

That supports my point, actually.

#71 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 10:48 AM

"ICE Officers have become targets."

Innocent civilians have become targets of ICE.

Which Federal policy makes innocent civilians targets of ICE, exactly?

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:49 AM

"That supports my point, actually."

Not when you use "will be" instead of "has".

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-10-09 10:50 AM

"Like Trump deporting protesters against ethnic cleansing in Palestine?"

Like when Trump deported protesters advocating for ethnic cleansing of the Jews who currently reside in the region sometimes referred to as Palestine?

I tell ya, this is the golden years of Islamism. If ISIS is smart, they're taking notes.

Never before has the west looked so favorably on Islamism, or been so tolerant of ethnic cleansing in the name of the religion.

#74 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:50 AM

"Targets of what?"

People like you.

Zed has stated several times that ICE Officers are fair game.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:51 AM

"Innocent civilians have become targets of ICE."

OK, I'll bite.

Link?

#76 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 10:51 AM

"Never before has the west looked so favorably on Islamism"

You're reaching for something that isn't there.

Opposing ethnic cleansing in Gaza has nothing to do with Islam.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:52 AM

"Targets of what?"
People like you.
Zed has stated several times that ICE Officers are fair game.
#75 | Posted by madbomber

You're not saying anything.
Name the threat, or admit you're making it up.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 10:53 AM

I'm not.
ICE in masks are terrorists.
I was recently in Belfast. It was shocking to see huge murals of MASKED MEN pointing guns at me.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 09:22 AM | Reply

Yet wimps like you protest daily in masks.

Ice agents are just following Dem's covid protocol, they don't want to chance spreading viruses.

#79 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-10-09 11:04 AM

I think most of the people here oppose the use of masks because they perceive that it does complicate the targeting of ICE officers.

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-09 11:15 AM

"I think most of the people here oppose the use of masks because they perceive that it does complicate the targeting of ICE officers."

Then why do police, prosecutors, and judges show their faces?

Explain it to me like I'm seven(ty).

#81 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-10-09 11:19 AM

"Ice agents are just following Dem's covid protocol,"

The apostrophe should go after the "s" when using possessive plurals. Otherwise, it looks like you're talking about an individual whose proper name is "Dem".

If anyone's interested, I'm offering proper English lessons via Zoom. All political affiliations accepted.

#82 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-09 11:20 AM

ICE needs to be doxxed.
It's a question of community protection.
#2 | Posted by Zed

It shouldn't even be a matter of doxing. ICE agents are public servants. Unless they are working undercover investigators then the public should have access to their identities so we know who to file complaints about when they are suspected of civil rights violations and so we can audit the government's hiring practices. How do we know ICE isn't hiring a bunch of pedophiles that Trump is so friendly with?

#83 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-10-09 11:21 AM

I don't always pronounce XX. It when I do, it's usually on my beer bottle.

This concludes today's PSA.

#84 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-09 11:22 AM

Zed has stated several times that ICE Officers are fair game.

#75 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You've already been called a liar several times.

And----You don't know the history of the Air Force.

#85 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 11:30 AM

They're probably issued a little bottle of bleach with their ice condoms too.

#86 | Posted by 2020Rocks at 2025-10-09 11:34 AM

No surprise, the deaths of migrants in ICE custody have reached its highest level in 20 years. There will be more fatalities, as being a vulnerable migrant in the US is tantamount to either capital punishment or exile to Somaliland or an El Salvadoran jungle gulag: english.elpais.com

#87 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-09 11:50 AM

authortomharper.com

#88 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-09 11:52 AM

This is why ICE is masked up.

18 U.S. Code 241 - Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
more than ten years... or if such acts include
kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap ...

#89 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-10-09 12:03 PM

Would it better if the agency was simply ignoring US policy?
POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It would "better" if they were following the law and also treating humans with dignity and showing a little humanity.

#90 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-09 12:08 PM

MadBomber has ---- enough of this thread and moved on to greener pastures.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 12:11 PM

"I think most of the people here oppose the use of masks because they perceive that it does complicate the targeting accountability of ICE officers."

FTFY

#92 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-09 12:11 PM

Ice agents are just following Dem's covid protocol, they don't want to chance spreading viruses hoaxes.

POSTED BY FISHPUS

#93 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-09 12:16 PM

"anyone else who interferes with their assigned missions."

If they have no warrants then they have no "mission" in our cities and should be at the borders or within 100 miles of one.

#94 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-09 12:33 PM

You never know when some whack-job ICE is going to cross the line and attempt to use violence.

#68 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

FTFY.

#95 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 12:39 PM

Trump supporters 2025: ICE agents need to wear masks for their protection

Trump supporters 2020: masks can't protect you, they suffocate, cause carbon dioxide poisoning...

#96 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2025-10-09 12:40 PM

The way I see it, it's no different than when US aviators at overseas bases used to cover their faces and remove any sort of identifying features. Let you wind up on an ISIS or Al-qaeda hit list, which many of my friends and co-workers did.

#55 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

There's no war in this country.

American citizens should not be treated as the enemy by their government.

#97 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-09 12:41 PM

"The way I see it, it's no different than when US aviators at overseas bases used to cover their faces and remove any sort of identifying features."

Were US aviators engaging in police activity against other US base personnel?
Did they cover their faces to prevent other US personnel from knowing their identities?

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-09 12:43 PM

To those who support ICE covering their faces and refusing to identify, I ask you this. How would you feel if your local police were allowed to do that? Would you be pleased with the thought that you would have no way of knowing if the cops you are funding are on the Brady List?

#99 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-10-09 12:58 PM

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