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This is what dirtbag Alito sanctions.

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#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-22 05:52 PM | Reply

I was just about to and did a quick refresh and saw you did it. Thanks!

Pretty much removes all doubt.

Alito desperately wants a theocracy, not a democracy.
(and let me issue a pre-fkkk-you to the idiots about my use of little "d" "democracy")

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2024-05-22 05:59 PM | Reply

"Also known as the Pine Tree flag..."

He was just hanging an outdoor deodorizer! - JBelle

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-22 06:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Political Cartoon - to put all our minds at ease:
www.baltimoresun.com

#4 | Posted by YAV at 2024-05-22 06:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

Let the rationalizations, justificatons and partisan excuses begin, and let the rest of us be clear-eyed about what is happening and why:

What These Stories About Samuel Alito's "Provocative" Flags Are Really About

No, John Roberts is not going to do anything about this one either.

It's easy to be furious at Samuel Alito, who has recently racked up yet another petty personal grievance display over, of all things, flags. Last week saw the earthquake report that his wife flew a flag upside down"signaling either that the country is in danger or that the election was stolen"in the days after the Jan 6 attack on the capitol. This week, the New York Times further reports that Alito was flying an "Appeal to Heaven" flag at his New Jersey beach house this past summer. That flag is not merely another January 6 signifier but also rooted in John Locke's "appeal to heaven," meaning "a responsibility to rebel, even use violence, to overthrow unjust rule."

slate.com

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-22 08:04 PM | Reply

Nobody Is Buying SCOTUS Justice Samuel Alito's Excuses

Alito has been given every opportunity to deny his belief in Trump's Big Lie. But he didn't"and that's incredibly concerning for the future of American democracy.

Alito has since blamed both his wife and a neighborly dispute for the brewing scandal in a pair of interviews"but he hasn't once disavowed the symbolism behind the flag or even suggested that he didn't know what it meant.

It's a concerning response given the fact that election-related cases are still being heard before the High Court, according to The Atlantic writer and author Adam Serwer, who joins The New Abnormal this week to discuss the latest in a string of recent Supreme Court scandals.

"It's relevant that Alito might be sympathetic to the people who violently tried to overthrow the government in an attempt to keep Donald Trump in power illegally after he lost the 2020 election," he added. "Someone like that should absolutely be nowhere near the federal bench, let alone the Supreme Court."

www.thedailybeast.com

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-22 08:20 PM | Reply

Is he blaming his wife again?

#7 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-22 08:31 PM | Reply

Alito must hate the country as it is but love the Christian nationalist country he imagines it should be:

Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
Kind of amazing for a Supreme Court Justice to fly an "Appeal to Heaven" flag, whose spirit is hostile to the constitutional order and the rule of law that the Supreme Court is to uphold.

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-22 08:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Touche!:

Norman Ornstein
@NormOrnstein

Really, there is a good explanation for the flag at the Alito beach house. It was a housewarming gift from Ginni Thomas

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-22 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

You guys and gals are being trolled....

Get the hook out of your mouth.

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-05-22 09:44 PM | Reply

Next we'll find out there's a third Alito home flying a Confederate flag because Martha-Ann didn't like the way that colored lady spoke to her at the Wegman's.

~ George Takei ~

#11 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-22 09:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Let your freak flag fly, Samuel!

I hope Americans are waking up to the ironclad fact that SCOTUS is an overtly political body.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-23 07:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What a cuck! Get that woman in line, Sam! Many MAGAt incels are looking to you for alpha male guidance.

#13 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-23 08:25 AM | Reply

I don't really see this as any different than Libs having those dumb yard signs of "In this how we believe ... " during the Trump years. You guys will get over it in time.

#14 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-23 09:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

House*

#15 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-23 09:12 AM | Reply

I don't really see this as

Because your head is so far up dotards ass.

Do let him know if you find any polyps.

#16 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-23 09:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Alito iI don't really see this as any different...
#14 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

If you found out that a justice had a BLM sign in their yard would you expect them to recuse themselves from any case involving protests in 2020 or any cases involving use of force by law enforcement?

#17 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-05-23 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#10 | Posted by oneironaut

The saddest comment I have seen in a while. IF you really believe that, well Ron White says you can't be fixed and Bill Engvall has a sign for you.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-05-23 09:32 AM | Reply

#14 | Posted by Bluewaffles

Ok, I was wrong about #10. This one takes the cake between the false equivalency and comparing supporting equal rights to a violent overthrow of our democracy.

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-05-23 09:36 AM | Reply

Johnny, if they didn't have that sign in their yard I would be more shocked honestly.

#20 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-23 09:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Also if this is the story that's supposed to provide cover for the DOJ mishandling of the FBI bringing guns into a Secret Service protected compound this website along with Matt Drudge are failing miserably. But I get it, with Biden's poll numbers where they are throwing spaghetti it the wall is all the Dems have left at this juncture. Good luck with that!

#21 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-23 09:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#20 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Way to avoid answering.

#22 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-05-23 09:50 AM | Reply

I don't really see this as any different than Libs having those dumb yard signs of "In this how we believe ... " during the Trump years. You guys will get over it in time.

#14 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES AT 2024-05-23 09:05 AM | REPLY

How many of those "Libs" were sitting on the United States Supreme Court at the time?

#23 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-23 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Alito must hate the country as it is but love the Christian nationalist country he imagines it should be:
Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
Kind of amazing for a Supreme Court Justice to fly an "Appeal to Heaven" flag, whose spirit is hostile to the constitutional order and the rule of law that the Supreme Court is to uphold.

#8 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2024-05-22 08:38 PM | FLAG:

Is it really that "amazing?" Some of these same people want monuments to pro-slavery Confederate traitors on courthouse lawns. If you want to put your second-place participation trophies on your lawn, I don't care. In fact, it helps me know what homes to avoid. Keep your racist knick-knacks away from the courthouse.

#24 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-23 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Johnny, I did answer by implying if a Justice has a BLM or any other Lib sign in their yard I don't care if they rule on something or not. Why would I? Republicans Control a 6-3 court so they can have all the signs they want out there lolololol.

#25 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-23 10:08 AM | Reply

What's next? "Alito Cuts In Line At Safeway!"

We've suffered fools on SCOTUS before. Some had views much worse than wishing this country was ruled by the Vatican before Vatican II.

#26 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-05-23 10:14 AM | Reply

"You guys and gals are being trolled...."

Every time you post.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-23 10:15 AM | Reply

I fully understand this story serves multiple purposes one which I've already mentioned and the other to try and force Alito out on the Presidential immunity case. The Alvin Bragg show will most likely not turn out the way your masters had hoped so now it's on to this. You guys knocked on Justice Thomas's door previously and he told you guys to get wrecked. Now you're trying for Alito who probably has even bigger stones than Clarence has in terms of giving the finger to the left. Personally you probably should've tried Kavanaugh but you guys already pulled the fake rape card on him so he's off the table. Again ... Spaghetti on the wall but it won't stick.

#28 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-23 10:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Republicans Control a 6-3 court so they can have all the signs they want out there lolololol.

#25 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Finally. Some honesty.

"Republicans CONTROL a 6-3 (Supreme) Court"

Just like the founding fathers intended, eh?

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-23 10:18 AM | Reply

Donnerboy, to quote President Obama ... Elections have consequences. Sucks doesn't it?

#30 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-23 10:23 AM | Reply

Johnny, I did answer by implying if a Justice has a BLM or any other Lib sign in their yard I don't care if they rule on something or not. Why would I? Republicans Control a 6-3 court so they can have all the signs they want out there lolololol.

#25 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

That answers how BLUEWAFFLES sees the country and law.

A true Trumper: Laws are for other people.

#31 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-05-23 10:30 AM | Reply

Now you're trying for Alito who probably has even bigger stones than Clarence has in terms of giving the finger to the left.

Pointing out the partisan nature of the Supreme Court (who are supposed to be non partisan
arbitrators for justice) is "trying for" keeping them honest ... its just pointing out a fact. and that fact Alito is also biased and dishonest just like Justice Thomas. We can all decide for ourselves what it means.

And from what I can see you personally think it's funny.

Personally I think it's unethical and he should recuse himself from any maga related cases. Just like justice Thomas should recuse himself from cases his wife (Crazy Ginni) was involved in.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-23 10:30 AM | Reply

I don't really see this as any different than Libs having those dumb yard signs of "In this how we believe ... "

Sam Alito isn't some random rightwing neighbor. He's one of 9 members on a partisan, unaccountable superlegislature.

If Ketanji Brown Jackson had a "in this house we believe no human is illegal" sign in her yard, i'm sure you'd be cool with her sitting on an immigration case right? How about an "in this house we believe abortion rights are human rights" sign, you're cool with her sitting on an attempt to overrule Dobbs?

Nobody believes the BS you're spewing, not even you.

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-23 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I thought the SCOTUS was supposed to be non partisan and not make but only interpret law.

I Remember the good old days when the conservatives whined about the "activist" Courts. They said the courts were straying far from Their proper role in government.

Now the truth comes out. The conservatives want activist judges.

As long as they rule the right way.

#34 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-05-23 10:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"you can't say that marriage is a union between one man and one woman." He said this was just the kind of unfairness he warned about in his dissent in Obergefell; while until "very recently" "the vast majority of Americans" agreed with this take on marriage, "now, it's considered bigotry."

#35 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-05-23 10:41 AM | Reply

Pretty obvious Alito is laughing at believers in democracy rxactly the same way King Geotge did before the Revolutionary war; he, just like Alito held a lifetimr position of grat power and knows we are powerless to do anything about his decisions to reduce or eliminate women's rights and believes that's good because his religion tells him the appropriate role for womenin America and believes he is infallibly correct and that it does not matter what "we the people" think about it. So, he is doing things like flying flags upside down, etc. to show his disapproval of the 2020 election results without regard for his abandonment of any pretense of impartiality in his decisions ,as part of the Supreme Court.Like King George he is letting us know his tenure on the court will ,be influenced by his personal religious beliefs and laughing at us for being outraged by such an idea. He's letting us know our disapproval of him bothers him very little if at all, and is sort of challenging the peasants he rules over to somehow remove him from power. I suggest a Constitutional amendment that would provide us peasants an easier way to remove any Federal Judge, including Supreme Court Justices from office, and thereby put them all on notice that the peasants are no longer powerless and thus wipe the ugly smirks off the faces of Alito, Thomas and the rest of them and let them know that we're watching as they sell their souls to billionaires and we aren't powerless any nore!

#36 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-23 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Don't have qualified right wing Justices on the SCOTUS...
Have at least 2 confirmed right wing Activists.

Thomas, Alito...

anyone else care to join?

Kavanaugh perhaps?
Perhaps Gorsuch?

#37 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-05-23 11:03 AM | Reply

I don't really see this as any different than Libs having those dumb yard signs of "In this how we believe ... " during the Trump years. You guys will get over it in time.

#14 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Of course, you don't.

You're an idiot.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-23 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

We should have a very punlic canpaign in fsvor of "the precedent status of "settled lawwhich virtually all of the sitting Justices swore they would respect under oath during Senate Confirmation hearings. That is perhury and the all shold br charged and tried fo that crime.

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#39 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-23 11:28 AM | Reply

You guys will get over it in time.

#14 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Do you think that will be before or after "Dictator Day" (aka The Purge)?

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-23 11:34 AM | Reply

How long ago was all this? Why is it all of a sudden a big outrage? This stuff comes up every 4 years, just like Danni crowing about abortion even though her uterus fell out 20 years ago.

#41 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-05-23 11:37 AM | Reply

Plain and simple Danni. There need to be SCOTUS term limits.
Say an 8 year term, with a maximum of 2 allowed. And or a forced
retirement beyond a certain retirement-like age, say 62 to
65.

Wouldn't solve all the problems with the SCOTUS, but would
ensure SOME turnover, and a degree of control by the U.S. public.

#42 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-05-23 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You guys will get over it in time.
#14 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES
Do you think that will be before or after "Dictator Day" (aka The Purge)?
#40 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-05-23 11:34 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

They will never get over it. They are still wearing their ----- hats and having nightly meltdowns after Hillary lost. Nothing makes them happy, they are in perpetual misery.

#43 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-05-23 11:39 AM | Reply

How long ago was all this?

It's in the article, you should try reading it instead of attempting to manufacture doubt.

#44 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-23 11:40 AM | Reply

I just signed a proposal circulating on the Internet to that
effect the other day...

#45 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-05-23 11:40 AM | Reply

I hate to break this to you Earthmuse, but 2007 called and they want their petition back. Long gone are the days of Republicans cowering to online petitions.

#46 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-23 12:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Long gone are the days of Republicans cowering to online petitions.

The smelly------------- cowered in the White House bunker.

#47 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-05-23 12:02 PM | Reply

The Supremely Unethical Court (cartoon)

www.washingtonpost.com

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-23 12:20 PM | Reply

"It's in the article, you should try reading it instead of attempting to manufacture doubt."

"Reedng is fer loosers!" - Fishpaw

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2024-05-23 12:22 PM | Reply

They will never get over it. They are still wearing their ----- hats and having nightly meltdowns after Hillary lost. Nothing makes them happy, they are in perpetual misery.

#43 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2024-05-23 11:39 AM | REPLY

You're seriously going to accuse Hillary voters of being the ones who wear "hats" as a show of undying loyalty?

#50 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-23 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As is obvious from this thread, the smidgen of a concience rwingers might have once had about Justice and Fairness and the American Way has been completely replaced by the Trump Cult with "winning at any cost", or as on wingnut said:

"In 2018, Bongino said, "My entire life right now is about owning the libs. That's it."

en.wikipedia.org

Their problem is that even that only happens in their own heads, nowhere else.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-23 12:32 PM | Reply

Elections have consequences. Sucks doesn't it?
#30 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Is that why you MAGA cucks been crying about Trump losing the election for the last 4 years.

Recount after recount.

An attempted riot.

Desperate cries for civil war.

You people are pathetic.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-23 01:03 PM | Reply

You guys will get over it in time.
#14 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Do you think that will be before or after "Dictator Day" (aka The Purge)?
#40 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

These morons don't get it.

The Iranians cheered when the ayatollah (their version of Trump) promised to Make Iran Great Again by fighting progressivism and liberalism and turning Iran into a conservative theocracy.

That country is a fkkking shht hole now.

It Trump wins, the future of America will go much in the same direction.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-23 01:08 PM | Reply

Are all symbols of American patriotism considered right-wing now?

I'm going to fly my 48 star flag this weekend. I just wanna make sure some purple haired, multi-pierced weirdo doesn't wipe their boogers on it.

#54 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-05-23 01:16 PM | Reply

#54

Is the fact that these aren't generally accepted "symbols of American patriotism" lost on you?

You realize this wasn't an Uncle Sam poster, right?

This is political, sectarian crap.

#55 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-23 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... The justice's beach house displayed an "Appeal to Heaven" flag, a symbol carried on Jan. 6 and associated with a push for a more Christian-minded government. ...

Did he blame his wife for this one also?

#56 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-23 02:01 PM | Reply

Provocative?

You must mean annoying.

I was hoping for sexy.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-23 02:03 PM | Reply

#46 funny Waffles.
I have seen several online petitions to do just as I have described above
in my post #42. I've signed every one of them that I encounter...

But leave it to you to be on the wrong side of Freedom,
and on the wrong side of history...

#58 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-05-23 02:25 PM | Reply

Nixon's Southern Strategy one more time. In Florida they are taking any referebce to slavery out of the "History books but how can it be history in the South if you don't mention slavery?

"You guys will get over it in time.""OMG! They're letting black folks walk right in and sit down and eat their food ay the same lunccounter as mr! OMG!!!"

#59 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-23 03:51 PM | Reply

So apparently the flag Alito flew outside his beach house is the same flag that Mike Johnson has hanging outside his office, and it's basically symbolic of Christian nationalist who want to remake America into a Christian nation, no separation between church and state. Many of these flags were flown at the 1/6 insurrections and there is a good reason why:

The Key to Mike Johnson's Christian Extremism Hangs Outside His Office
NOVEMBER 10, 2023

The newly elected House speaker has ties to the far-right New Apostolic Reformation--which is hell-bent on turning America into a religious state

The flag--which Rolling Stone has confirmed hangs outside his district office in the Cannon House Office Building--is white with a simple evergreen tree in the center and the phrase "An Appeal to Heaven" at the top. Historically, this flag was a Revolutionary War banner, commissioned by George Washington as a naval flag for the colony turned state of Massachusetts. The quote "An Appeal to Heaven" was a slogan from that war, taken from a treatise by the philosopher John Locke. But in the past decade it has come to symbolize a die-hard vision of a hegemonically Christian America. . . .

This is why, if you look closely at the panopticon of videos and pictures of the Capitol insurrection, Appeal to Heaven flags are everywhere. There are dozens, perhaps hundreds, of them punctuating the crowd, including even on the front lines of clashes between rioters and Capitol police officers . . . .

Hundreds of Christian figures supported Trump's effort to overthrow the 2020 election, but, having spent years researching and tracking the direct influences on Christians who actually showed up on Jan. 6, we contend that no single Christian leader contributed more to this effort to mobilize Christians against the very structures of American democracy than [Dutch] Sheets. One case in point: Sheets and his team were reportedly at the White House a week before the insurrection, strategizing with administration officials, as we reported on Jan. 6, 2023:

On December 29, 2020--eight days before the insurrection-- Sheets and his team of prophets were in Washington, D.C., staying at the Willard Hotel, the site of the various war rooms overseen by Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon. On that day, Sheets, along with 14 other apostles and prophets, had a multi-hour meeting inside the White House with Trump administration officials. Who exactly among White House Staff attended this meeting is unclear (and the Trump administration has made the White House Visitor Logs secret and invulnerable to FOIA requests until 2026). But members of Sheets' team posted photos of themselves (with White House visitor passes) both outside and inside the building.

The Appeal to Heaven flag was the banner of this mobilization, which brings us back to Mike Johnson and the flag outside his office. What does it signal that the speaker of the House of Representatives is purposely flying this symbol of Christian warfare?

It is simply untenable to think that Johnson is unaware of what the Appeal to Heaven flag signals today. It represents an aggressive, spiritual-warfare style of Christian nationalism, and Johnson is a legal insurrectionist who has deeply tied himself into networks of Christian extremists whose rhetoric, leadership, and warfare theology fueled a literal insurrection.

www.rollingstone.com

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-23 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#60 There is no way the Altios and the Thomases aren't up to there eyeballs in supporting the insurrection, which bodes very badly for the future of this country. Trump is not Christian but these radical Christians are using him to consolidate their power. Most voters don't realize what is going on behind the scenes and, hence, could end up having democracy stolen out from under their ignorant and naive feet.

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-23 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are all symbols of American patriotism considered right-wing now?
#54 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Wow, Lee, I didn't expect you to be one of the ignorant, naive and uninformed. That you are is deeply depressing.

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-23 04:16 PM | Reply

These true believers are dangerous and well organized. They think they are in some kind of religious war and see themselves as holy warriors. Remember Ginni's texts messages to Meadows:

The text messages, reviewed by CNN, show Thomas pleading with Meadows to continue the fight to overturn the election results.

"Help This Great President stand firm, Mark!!! ... You are the leader, with him, who is standing for America's constitutional governance at the precipice. The majority knows Biden and the Left is attempting the greatest Heist of our History," Thomas wrote on Nov. 10, 2020.

Thomas regularly checked in with Meadows to encourage him to push claims of voter fraud and work to prevent the election from being certified. Meadows often responded. On that same day as the previous text, he wrote: "I will stand firm. We will fight until there is no fight left. Our country is too precious to give up on. Thanks for all you do."

On Nov. 24, 2020, Meadows promised he wasn't done battling on Trump's behalf and evoked his faith as a source of strength.

"This is a fight of good versus evil. Evil always looks like the victor until the King of Kings triumphs. Do not grow weary in well doing. The fight continues. I have staked my career on it. Well at least my time in DC on it."

www.kcra.com Trump doesn't give a crap about any of this, but he cares about remaining in power and having total presidential immunity. He gives them what they want in terms of the courts, and they give him what he wants in terms of an imperial presidency. That's the quid pro quo that is going on.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-23 04:34 PM | Reply

I don't see any difference between Johnson (2nd in line for the presidency) and most of the conservatives on the SC, do you?:

Johnson slots firmly within the more hardline evangelical wing of the Republican coalition. He holds stringent positions on abortion, thinks homosexuality is a lifestyle choice that should not be recognized under legal protections against discrimination, defends young Earth creationism, blames school shootings on the sexual revolution of the 1960s, and questions the framework of the separation of church and state. "The founders wanted to protect the church from an encroaching state, not the other way around," he has said.

While many Americans will vote on the basis of inflation and the economy, these Republicans* who have ascended to the highest levels of power in our country are playing for much higher stakes. I truly believe there are more of "us" than "them" but only if we recognize the risk and vote accordingly.

*Trump isn't a true Republican. He's an opportunist who realized he could hoodwink most Republicans a little more easily than he could hoodwink most Democrats.

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-23 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#55 | Posted by anton

Honestly, might be on to something. I mean the way the far right wingers wear and uses the flag and other symbols kind of makes all of them revolting on some level. I refuse to surrender them to the (censored) but I have seen how I am treated when I wear something patriotic these days - like a member of the "club".

#65 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-05-23 05:03 PM | Reply

Galaxiepete,

MAGA superchristian/superpatriots violate the US Flag code all the time - because they "love" the flag so much. They stick it on everything, change the colors to virtue-signal phoney appreciation for law enforcement, etc.
It debases the symbol and the ideals Americans actually care about.

#66 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-23 05:15 PM | Reply

"Are all symbols of American patriotism considered right-wing now?"

Now?

Always has been.

Leftists don't go around waving their defaced flags thinking it's patriotic to turn the American flag into a Cop gang colors flag.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-23 05:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#66 ... MAGA superchristian/superpatriots violate the US Flag code all the time - because they "love" the flag so much. ...

One aspect of this that I had seen far too often, and I mentioned it here in my comments a few years back ...

At gatherings of "patriots" I saw many who had sewn an American flag patch onto the back pocket of their jeans. Many of those who had done so then proceeded to sit down on the ground, effectively grinding the American flag into the dirt.

When I saw that, my first thought was, that is how they must really feel about what te American flag represents.

#68 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-23 06:12 PM | Reply

Long gone are the days of Republicans cowering to online petitions.

#46 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Long gone are they days of Supreme Court Justices remaining above the political fray and giving a rats ass what half the county thinks of them.

#69 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-23 08:22 PM | Reply

What I have learned and been amazed by in this thread is that the lrvwl of ignorance brought here by some posters is incredible! It's as if they've never considered the basic principles our country was founded on. Their concept of Freedom of Religion is so twisted that it doesn't mean freedom of religion. Alito is setting up his religious beliefs as the standard that should determine Supreme Court decisions which is an absolute perversion of the intended meaning of the 1st Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."I think some here should read it and try to understand how it is relevant today especially in regards to decisiions made that affect women's rights. Because you can't convince ne that he didn't anricipate hearing the challenge to Roe v Wade when he testified in the Senate that it was "settled law" which means he flat out lied; he knew then exactly how he would rule but lied because if he stated thr truth he would bot have been confirmed nut I guess that's ok because he was lying for Jesus! But then, so did most of the other right wing hacks.

#70 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-23 09:20 PM | Reply

What I have learned and been amazed by in this thread is that the lrvwl of ignorance brought here by some posters is incredible! It's as if they've never considered the basic principles our country was founded on. Their concept of Freedom of Religion is so twisted that it doesn't mean freedom of religion. Alito is setting up his religious beliefs as the standard that should determine Supreme Court decisions which is an absolute perversion of the intended meaning of the 1st Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."I think some here should read it and try to understand how it is relevant today especially in regards to decisiions made that affect women's rights. Because you can't convince ne that he didn't anricipate hearing the challenge to Roe v Wade when he testified in the Senate that it was "settled law" which means he flat out lied; he knew then exactly how he would rule but lied because if he stated thr truth he would bot have been confirmed nut I guess that's ok because he was lying for Jesus!

#71 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-23 09:28 PM | Reply

You people are so pathetically desperate.

When was the flag created and what is the history behind it's creation?

I'll give you a hint: it was a wee bit' before "stop the steal."

#72 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-23 10:08 PM | Reply

Leonard Leo flies the Appeal to Heaven flag as well:

Andy Kroll
@AndyKroll
It's not just Justice Alito.

Here's the "Appeal to Heaven" flag flying outside of conservative powerbroker Leonard Leo's home in Maine.

Photo taken by a nearby resident who shared it with @ProPublica and gave us permission to publish it. 1/x

As @ProPublica reported, Leo played a key role in Alito's confirmation to the Supreme Court, just as he did for the court's five other conservative justices.

Leo and Alito are said to be close. They've dined and traveled together. propublica.org 2/x

Last year, @ProPublica revealed that Leo had helped organize an Alaska fishing vacation that included Justice Alito and billionaire Paul Singer.

Singer later had a major case come before SCOTUS, which ruled 7-1 in his favor, w/ Alito in the majority 3/x

x.com

#73 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-23 11:31 PM | Reply

That flag is 243 years old. FFS this is absurd.

#74 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-23 11:33 PM | Reply

You people are so pathetically desperate.
When was the flag created and what is the history behind it's creation?
I'll give you a hint: it was a wee bit' before "stop the steal."
#72 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yes, of course, the flag has a history that pre-dates the insurrection, but it has become a symbol of the rightwing Christian nationalist movement in this country. It is not a coincidence that Johnson, Alito and Leo fly this flag. It is not a coincidence that so many insurrectiontists carried it on January 6th or that one of the main leaders of this movement, Dutch Sheets (see post #60), visited Trump's WH in the days before the insurrection and also happened to write a book entitled An Appeal To Heaven: What Would Happen If We Did It Again:

In recent days, you may have seen someone with a white flag displaying an evergreen tree beneath the phrase, "An Appeal to Heaven." This banner has made its way into countless homes, prayer rooms, and even government buildings. The Appeal to Heaven flag holds great significance as it relates to America's founding, God's eternal covenants, and our present hope for this nation. In An Appeal To Heaven, Dutch Sheets takes you on a journey of discovering the role you were designed to play in America's history. This short book is packed with powerful insights that will help you pray for America and leave you equipped to be part of her restoration. You have a role to play in this story. Are you ready to take your place?

www.amazon.com

That flag is the way these Christian nationalist like Johnson, Alito and Leo signal to like minded others their commitment to reawakening and remaking America in God's image.

#75 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-23 11:48 PM | Reply

#74 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

If you flew the flag on your property, nobody would give a fnkc.

Justices of the SCOTUS are held to an expectation of impartiality, unlike cowards like yourself. (Coward label related to your ghosting multiple threads when you've been proven wrong. Just own up to it, sporto.)

#76 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-05-23 11:48 PM | Reply

#75 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I wonder if JEFFY is legitimately willfully ignorantly or he's just trolling. Makes me think that's why he's the most responded to poster here on the DR, per EBERLY's research.

#77 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-05-23 11:52 PM | Reply

That flag is 243 years old. FFS this is absurd.
#74 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Again, yes, of course, but as the excerpt of Sheets' book An Appeal To Heaven: What Would Happen If We Did It Again, which you can read at the above link, explains they are using that flag precisely because of its historical meaning. The whole point of this Christian nationalist movement is to wrest America from the hands of secular progressives and restore America to God's graces--and through God's grace--to a Third Great Awakening, by tearing down the wall separating church and state.

#78 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-24 12:00 AM | Reply

#76. Ghosting threads where I've "been proven wrong"? Um, no.

As for this flag, it was commissioned by George Washington.

#79 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-24 12:16 AM | Reply

" to a Third Great Awakening, by tearing down the wall separating church and state.

#78 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2024-05-24 12:00 AM | FLAG: "

That flag predates the Constitution. It' s somehow a symbol to tear down something that didn't even exist when it was created?

#80 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-24 12:18 AM | Reply

That flag predates the Constitution.

The swastika predates Nazi Germany by 4000 years.

#81 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-24 12:30 AM | Reply

That flag predates the Constitution. It' s somehow a symbol to tear down something that didn't even exist when it was created?
#80 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

"When General Georg Washington commissioned the Appeal to Heaven flag to fly over our naval ships during the Revolutionary War--don't look for that in our modern American history books--little did he know that 240 years later God would ordain that it would fly again. This time around, however, it won't fly over a fledgling nation being born but over the most powerful nation on earth being reborn. This rebirth isn't literal, of course, but is a spiritual and moral renewal that will resurect America's God-given calling, purpose and greatness."

#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-24 12:31 AM | Reply

" The swastika predates Nazi Germany by 4000 years.

#81 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-05-24 12:30 AM | FLAG: "

Apples and pumpkins. Did Snoofy hack your account?

#83 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-24 12:50 AM | Reply

Also from the introduction of Sheets' book:

"Let it be said of our generation that when a nation teetered on the edge of destruction, having lost the ancient path of truth, we answered the divine call to war for its restoration. Let it be said of us as it was of our forefathers, that in the face of overwhelming odds, we took our stand in the celestial courtroom, appealing to the judge of all the earth for Hi, saving grace, mercy and sustaining power.

Join the movement--appeal to heaven!"

Obviously the Christian nationalist movement in this country pre-dates and is bigger than the stop the steal movement, and not everyone in the stop the steal movement was a Christian nationalist. But if we were to make a venn diagram of the two groups there would be an overlap.

#84 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-24 12:52 AM | Reply

*His saving grace,

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-24 12:54 AM | Reply

Fringe weirdos trying to co-opt a symbol (flag) for their own purposes doesn't change the original meaning of the symbol and it's foolish to argue that the flag NOW means something else.

#86 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-24 12:58 AM | Reply

Apples and pumpkins.

How so? Are you saying the swastika didn't represent Nazi Germany? Most people do. Did it originally? No, it did not. They co-opted it.

In the same way this flag was co-opted by the Nuts of God.

#87 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-24 01:06 AM | Reply

Sheets is not a fringe weirdo though. Would that he were. He has direct ties to Johnston and Trump (see post #60).

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-24 01:06 AM | Reply

Fringe weirdos trying to co-opt a symbol (flag) for their own purposes doesn't change the original meaning of the symbol and it's foolish to argue that the flag NOW means something else.
#86 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

BTW, no one is saying the original meaning of the flag has changed, including Sheets himself. It represents an appeal to heaven on American's behalf, then and now.

#89 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-24 01:09 AM | Reply

Gal Tuesday,

To be clear - I wasn't saying Sheets is a fringe weirdo.

#90 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-24 01:14 AM | Reply

" In the same way this flag was co-opted by the Nuts of God.

#87 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-05-24 01:06 AM | FLAG: "

I've never even heard of whoever it is trying to co opt this flag. Compare that with the pure evil of the Nazi's. It's bad equivalence.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-24 01:16 AM | Reply

Why Is Mike Johnson Flying a Christian Nationalist Flag Outside His Office?

A new report confirmed that the House speaker is displaying an "Appeal to Heaven" flag outside his door.

House Speaker Mike Johnson has three flags hanging outside his office: the American flag, the Louisiana state flag, and a flag representing a movement that wants to turn the United States into a religious Christian nation. . . .

The flag was originally used as a banner during the Revolutionary War, but over the past decade, it has been embraced by a sect of Christianity called the New Apostolic Reformation, or NAR. A central tenet of NAR's belief system is that it is God's will for Christians to take control of all aspects of U.S. society--including education, arts and entertainment, the media, and businesses--to create a religious nation.

The flag has appeared in photos of far-right politicians and election deniers such as Doug Mastriano, the Trump-endorsed candidate for Pennsylvania governor. Mastriano lost to Democrat Josh Shapiro.


newrepublic.com

#92 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-24 01:17 AM | Reply

Emphasis mine:

Meet the New Apostolic Reformation, cutting edge of the Christian right

Christian nationalism has new momentum--and a new movement that openly longs for "dominion" over secular America

. . .

Dutch Sheets engaged in a swing-state "prayer and prophecy tour" after Joe Biden's election in November 2020, playing a leading role in building religious support for the Jan. 6 insurrection, in coordination with Trump's White House.

www.salon.com

#93 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-24 01:28 AM | Reply

Again emphasis mine:

EVIDENCE STRONGLY SUGGESTS TRUMP WAS COLLABORATING WITH CHRISTIAN NATIONALIST LEADERS BEFORE JANUARY 6TH

Just a couple weeks before the 2020 election, Trump was presented with an ATH [Appeal To Heaven] flag by one of Wagner's apostles, Paul Marc Goulet, while visiting a church in Las Vegas. This Appeal to Heaven vigor about Trump and revival dovetailed with hundreds of prophecies from the NAR and other networks of charismatic prophets echoing that God had destined Trump to win the 2020 election. In the helter-skelter season between the 2020 election and the January 6 attempt to forcibly interfere with the result, the Appeal to Heaven flag had become a ubiquitous symbol adopted by charismatic Christians to exhibit their faith in these Trump prophecies.

For his part, Dutch Sheets became a one-man Trump propaganda machine after the election was called for Biden. He undertook an ambitious swing-state prayer and prophecy tour with a band of prophets and prayer warriors to try to push the spiritual dial toward Trump, leading huge rallies with hundreds of thousands following on YouTube. Sheets also, through his popular daily YouTube broadcasts (receiving 200,000+ views each day in December 2020) and myriad charismatic media appearances in the leadup to the Insurrection, was one of the foremost Christian Big Lie enthusiasts with masses of charismatic Christians tracking his commentary.

religiondispatches.org

But, sure, it's just a coincidence that Johnson, Altio and Leo all proudly fly the ATH flag.

#94 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-05-24 01:39 AM | Reply

It's bad equivalence.

It's still the same thing. Repurposing an old symbol.

#95 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-24 01:42 AM | Reply

Fringe weirdos trying to co-opt a symbol (flag) for their own purposes doesn't change the original meaning of the symbol and it's foolish to argue that the flag NOW means something else.
#86 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-24 12:58 AM

"Symbols of the sun Symbols of the snow For those who go beyond For those who go below" - DIJ

"Gongs and drums, banners and flags, are means whereby the ears and eyes of the host may be focused on one particular point." - Sun Tzu

Chang Yu says: "If sight and hearing converge simultaneously on the same object, the evolutions of as many as a million soldiers will be like those of a single man."

#96 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-05-24 02:11 AM | Reply

"But, sure, it's just a coincidence that Johnson, Altio and Leo all proudly fly the ATH flag."

It is writteb, maetyrs for Trump will be met in Heaven by 50 virgins!

#97 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-24 10:10 AM | Reply

Fringe weirdos trying to co-opt a symbol (flag) for their own purposes doesn't change the original meaning of the symbol and it's foolish to argue that the flag NOW means something else.

#86 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'm sure Alito flew it for its original meaning...right?

The mental gymnastics you do are amazing...and pathetic.

#98 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-05-24 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I Know Nothing."
--JeffJ

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-24 12:07 PM | Reply

"Fringe weirdos trying to co-opt a symbol (flag) for their own purposes doesn't change the original meaning of the symbol and it's foolish to argue that the flag NOW means something else."

First ... Alito is a fringe weirdo?

Second, just like the Nazi symbol right?

Third.. then why did he blame it on his wife? Why didn't he just say "oh dear, I thought it meant something else"?

Those fringe weirdos Nazis didn't change the original meaning?

Fact is you can no longer get away with using that symbol for its original meaning. Can you?

Especially not at ground zero in Germany.

Desperate people say desperate (and stupid) things.

#100 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-24 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" I'm sure Alito flew it for its original meaning...right?

The mental gymnastics you do are amazing...and pathetic.

#98 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-05-24 12:01 PM | FLAG: "

The man is a well known history enthusiast. You people are pathetic.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-24 12:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"The man is a well known history enthusiast."

So what does the flag mean?

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-24 12:25 PM | Reply

" Fringe weirdos trying to co-opt a symbol (flag) for their own purposes doesn't change the original meaning of the symbol "

SSentinel on line #1 for you. He agrees TOTALLY.

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-24 12:26 PM | Reply

#101 - LMAO!
You are desperate!
That was hilarious.

#104 | Posted by YAV at 2024-05-24 12:26 PM | Reply

Being a "well known history enthusiast" immunizes one from being a J6 choirboy, despite any appearances to the contrary.

#105 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-24 05:17 PM | Reply

I've never even heard of whoever it is trying to co opt this flag. Compare that with the pure evil of the Nazi's. It's bad equivalence.

#91 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-05-24 01:16 AM | FLAG:

The Nazis repurposed a symbol previously used by Hindus and Buddhists. When you see someone holding a swastika flag these days I'm sure you assume they are using it the old fashioned way.

#106 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-24 05:21 PM | Reply

" SSentinel on line #1 for you. He agrees TOTALLY.

#103 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-05-24 12:26 PM | FLAG: "

Apparently, so does Redial.

#107 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-24 05:43 PM | Reply

In the same way this flag was co-opted by the Nuts of God.

Yeah, no. That's not what the gist (or the continuity of thought) even suggests.

#108 | Posted by YAV at 2024-05-24 06:22 PM | Reply

The democrats would make something of this but it would make the republicans mad at them. In addition to being angry, some republicans might even be sad about it.

That's the last thing the democrats want.

All they really want is for their weak cuckold president to win, that way the big bad strong man dictator type, who didn't and wouldn't have any additional powers that their weak little ----- president has, doesn't win and lord over everything and everyone with an iron fist.

#109 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-05-24 09:43 PM | Reply

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