-Because you've been told those mean, dirty, disease carrying immigrants are bad they MUST be bad

But the crime is that they got a job. That's what I see whined about here constantly.

Let me ask you....do you think the crime is that they have a job?

-BR is the one that harped on how evil they are, and how they bring crime?

I'm sorry I missed that...can you cite that for me?

-Why are you denying that and reframing "crime" as getting a job?

Perhaps you've been unable to see it but it's been posted over and over and over again here the real problem is the conspiracy between an elected sheriff and local employers who hire illegals.

Over and over this gets vomited as the real problem.

As though local law enforcement is expected to enforce federal immigration law.

As someone who intends on voting for Biden, especially if the other option is Trump....I am not concerned about this poll.

Immigration has never determined a presidential election. It's never been the issue that some wishes it would be.

On election day.....this won't matter.

People scream about it.....but they don't really give a crap.

-I'm done with this level of dishonesty.

then stop being dishonest.

That's all I had to do?? Simply ask you to cite what in the hell you're talking about and you immediately stomp off like the hysterical old cooze you are??

"BR is the one that harped on how evil they are, and how they bring crime?"

Was it another thread?

Or this one?

-Because it's an incredibly efficient use of defense dollars.

When did the USA start spending defense dollars "efficiently"?

"It's pathetic your positions are that weak"

What's my position?

On immigration....what's my position?

spoonfed? you're too weak to pick up a spoon?

I love you Yav.....I really do. I was about to click off and get to some stuff I'm ignoring....and then you come at me with your purse.

I know I should just let it go.....but you are begging for it.

-Are lefties in any way affected by what is going on in Ukraine?

The panties are sure soaked in blood over that question.

I imagine you're asking that over the hypocrisy of people screaming about immigration which doesn't affect them but under the delusion that Ukraine does?

I don't want to tell people what is important to them and what to care about.

Instead, I point out their obvious -------- in that they aren't really worried about an issue....which usually pisses them off.

But people do this. They pretend to be concerned about an issue but the only real issue they worry about are the results of the next election.

This issue scares the ---- out of many democrats. They worry it's going to sink Biden.

It won't.

-On the right, Republicans are putting the squeeze on Biden. They have campaigned relentlessly on the "chaos at the border" " only to walk away from a bipartisan border deal in Congress that included concessions from Democrats.
The Republicans' narrative has found its mark: 70% of Americans disapprove of Biden's handling of immigration.

That has to be frustrating.

For people who care about these polls, I mean.

-And Eberly, if you have a better theory, I'm all ears

Yav is so relieved you showed up.

The real root of the problem is the strife occurring in these countries where families are risking life and limb for themselves and their children....to come here.

An employer located in the USA that has a growing and prospering business that needs workers. We have a lot of those, correct?

Should we just tank our economy so we don't need the workers? make everyone so poor that we have no jobs for them?

The fact that so many people want to come here is a sign of our progress...not our decline.

And we've been ushering in folks for the better part of the last 50 years. Wait....no.....the better part of the last 150 years.

It's progress. Not a decline.

You said it best. window dressing for political theatre.

-I was only responding to JPW mocking anyone who cares about illegal immigratin who isn't personally affected.

because JPW is only worried about Biden.

"My theory is the sheriffs don't arrest the owners, because the owners are sizable donors to their reelection campaigns."

I know.

It's a great conspiracy theory.

Is that the action you prescribe for a local sheriff to take? Arrest the owner?

Fair warning...I have a meeting at 10 so I'll have to jump off soon

"you know where the illegals work, and if you know, certainly the sheriff knows."

the largest employers of illegals in my state are companies like Tyson, Cargill, and some other organizations to remain nameless.

You expect the sheriff to arrest the "owner" of those companies?

shall we parse the lack of logic in such a suggestion?

-If that were the case, they'd all be here.

So because they aren't all here...there is no strife going on in those countries? And that strife is irrelevant?

You're dismissing this obvious root cause because not everyone has come here?

Instead...it's the local business "owner" (LOL) and the sheriff who are making it all happen.

The local sheriff is the cause of this.........and his refusal to arrest the owner of.......wait for it.....Cargill.

-Just admit the sheriff is aware and looks the other way.

I've always agreed the local law enforcement looks the other way.

What we disagree on is WHY they look the other way.

You believe it's an agreement. a quid pro quo arrangement between local law enforcement and employers. dirty campaign deals.

It's not. It's got nothing to do with campaign contributions.

You have no proof it is. You're just asserting it demanding it be proved false.

You WANT to believe it.

And if it were true in the first place....then why aren't voters pissed at the local law enforcement conspiring with the owner of a packing plant for hiring them?

Why just be pissed at Biden?

Answer? They aren't pissed in the first place.

and neither are you.

-Are you suggesting that only Republicans hire illegal immigrants?

That appears to be the case.

Because 100% of the time he brings this up, it's always the "republican chamber of commerce".

-There's got to be SOME reason the owners aren't frog-marched, right

It doesn't occur to you the owner lives 1,400 miles away from where this "crime" is being committed?

and answer this....when the local sheriff is arresting the "owner" of Cargill.....what are the charges?

Got to charge him. With what, exactly?

Then put him in his squad car that he drove from Dodge City, KS to the Hamptons on Long Island, NY.......and drive back to Dodge?

Is this what you are wanting done?

Or you want the local law enforcement in NY to arrest them?

This is fun......let's keep arguing the virtue of local law enforcement being the obstacle to our FEDERAL immigration challenges.

-Are you suggesting owners and hirers aren't predominantly Republican?

-Did they steal an identity to get the job? Or are they just paid under the table as "contractors"?

what do you mean by "steal"?

they probably bought the documents. Is that stealing?

or do you mean someone had their identity stolen by an illegal?

-I'ts the massive hypocrisy of Republicans

well...yeah, it's all hypocrisy.

But that's not what Danforth is arguing.

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well, that's a crime. period.

-It's cute you think most illegal immigrants have to use fake docs to get a job.

It's cute you think you know ANYTHING about this problem.

..-that supported Republicans until 2024.

that supported BOTH parties (more given to republicans)...but pretend you didn't see that.

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You don't know jack ---- about what a chamber of commerce even is.

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so do you think your politically mixed chamber of commerce is conspiring with employers to buy off the local law enforcement to ignore illegals working in your community?

-But are you telling me that all illegal migrants use stolen identities that they stole

No, I'm saying they bought it from someone on the dark web. I don't know if what they bought was someone else's identity.

And states are issuing IDs to people they KNOW are here illegally.

-And your stance is they AREN'T predominantly Republican-run?!?

Our chamber president came from a university. Specialized in economic development.

Her staff is filled with younger folks who worked in non-profits or politics.

The board is made up of mostly representatives from the largest employers.

Which are a hospital (non-profit), a community college, and a prison. Yea, there are some businesses represented with a conservative slant.

You're desperately trying to find a republican generated conspiracy.

Look for it somewhere else. It simply doesn't exist where you're looking.

There is ZERO connection to the chamber of commerce and the law enforcement not enforcing FEDERAL immigration laws.

-NATO won't commit advanced weapon systems to the warzone. It matters that little.

why not? This isn't important enough or is it all due to Ukraine not being a member?

-Three hirers who are all in the market for cheap, quiet labor.

surely you aren't trying to insist those employers are looking for illegal immigrants to hire????

-It's not like if the largest hirer isn't a member of the chamber of commerce, the theory dies.

correct. it never was alive. it was laughed out of the room at the start.

-I noticed no mention of liberal slants.

I'm not trying to sell you on that notion. You're the one looking for the political fence to build.

-why the plant that knowingly hires the illegals isn't raided on a daily basis. As we both agreed, if you are aware of them, so is the sheriff.

by whom? Who is equipped to raid a packing plant? the local sheriff? and then do what? arrest an employer? are you serious with this crap?

knowing they are there doesn't prove the existence of a conspiracy.

And you're NOT following the money. If you were, you'd see it leads you elsewhere.

You're NOT following the money. You're sniffing for a GOP driven conspiracy between an employer and a local sheriff.

There is a conspiracy. It just doesn't exist there.

The federal government wants you to be able to afford to eat and live in affordable housing.

immigrant labor is necessary to provide both.....at least that's what the government believes.

THAT is the where the money leads you.

Not to the coffers of a local sheriff making $80K a year who has to raise $10K every 4 years to run for a job nobody else wants anyway.

Good grief.

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thanks for the responses.

It seems as though the relationship between Putin and Trump overshadows the ugly realities of the Ukranian government and why our support of Ukraine is so complex.

Is that a fair statement?

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Very fair point. Understand I recognize the hypocrisy from the right on this.

It's also why I don't think this issue is as damaging for Biden as you're probably worried about.

But I'm an ostrich....

-I'm saying sheriffs don't look the other way for free.

They do it for free.

FFS people...nobody really cares.

get over it.

Presidents always take ---- from the opposition party over immigration how badly they are handling it.

Congress does nothing because they know we need immigration so all of this fake arguing is a ruse. Agriculture, construction, domestic duties, etc....all need these people.

It's virtually a national security issue. Nobody is going to ---- with that.

Pretend to be outraged while doing nothing? It's all the GOP is doing. And why? because they aren't concerned..

probably not a single member of the GOP in congress is worried about their next election over this issue.