Next up: Getting Gays out of the military.

But what's the difference?

What's the benefit of getting trans people out of the military?

Since most transgender individuals require ongoing hormone therapy, wouldn't that also raise medical eligibility issues for military service out in the field?
#17 | Posted by BillJohnson

Since most women require ongoing hormone therapy called The Pill, wouldn't that also raise medical eligibility issues for military service out in the field?

If you understood the rationale behind banning tran individuals from the military such as medical complications, combat readiness, or unit cohesion, then it should be clear why gays aren't a comparable concern.
#10 | Posted by BillJohnson

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"Unit cohesion" is why gays were kept out of the military too. And why blacks couldn't serve alongside whites.
So, you need to understand that you saying It's okay to kick out the gays and blacks because of unit cohesion.

I want you to recognize that's what you are saying. But I don't think you can.

"The military culture is totally different than civilian culture.
It demands conformity."

BillJohnson, Didn't you Join the Navy knowing gays aren't allowed, lie that you were not gay, and then got kicked out for being gay?

"The fact that transgender service has become such a divisive topic is, ironically, hurting their chances of staying in the military."

Ironic?

It's supposed to hurt their chances of staying in the military.

The only division is Republican Hate Mongers vs Normal People.

Nobody but Republicans cares about transgenders in the military.

It's a complete non-issue to anyone.

The only people who care are losers like you are okay with Republicans using it to deliberately end people's careers and deliberately weaken the United States Armed Forces.

"Who said anything about dishonorable?
When I was discharged I was given General under Honorable conditions. I could probably get mine upgraded now but there's no point."

You should be downgraded for knowingly lying when you signed up.

You wasted millions of taxpayer dollars because you are a liar both to yourself and to your country.

'I've never lied about who I am."

You didn't know gays aren't allowed in the Navy?

You're lying about who you are right now, my dude.

"They're not being fair"

That's undeniably what he voted for.

Can somebody ask the Mayor if he thinks Kilmar should be returned to the United States and prove my point?

"You must be really stupid to not realize that gays in those days all lied and covered up their identity."

Oh no you didn't.

You don't get to blame other gays for your lack of moral standing.

When I was getting recruited by the military, I straight up told them I was not okay with their policy on homosexuals.

You didn't do that. You chose to lie instead.

Your comment was just like the hateful homophobic comments I heard daily.
And the moderators here allow it.
#59 | Posted by BillJohnson

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You're okay with those hateful comments being directed at trans people by our government.

"When the focus shifted from consenting adults to children and schools began implementing policies that kept parents in the dark and defied parental involvement, it crossed a cultural red line."

What does this have to do with the military?

"You don't screw around with people's kids."

Telling trans kids they're mentally ill is the very definition of screwing around with people's kids.

"That moment may have marked the beginning of the end for mainstream support of the transgender agenda."

What is the "transgender agenda?"
How is it different from the gay agenda or the black agenda before gays and blacks were considered equals?

"Well ... cutting your dick or ---- off falls into the realm of mentally ill Snoofy."

Lots of women cut their ---- off to save their own lives.

Bu---- not like you actually care about women.

"Do you know of any other group of people where 2 in 5 have attempted suicide and 4 in 5 have thought about it?"

Is it surprising to you that a group of people millions of people want to die off and resuse to accept in society has a high suicide rate?

Can't you be happy about the high suicide rate since it's how you what the problem to solve itself?

Or is it not effective enough, and we need public executions, to protect the children.

"These people aren't suffering from Cancer"

What are they suffering from?

Is it mentally ill to take Viagra if you can't sustain an --------?

How about fake ----?

Just wondering when you draw the line between mental illness that should be treated with gender affirming care, like wanting bigger ---- or a hard ----, and mental illness that should not be treated with gender affirming care, like wanting bigger ---- and a hard ----.

You are just a prude looking for a dog to kick, and you've decided transgender is your target.

There's a reason transgender resonates with you, but you'll never talk about that part. Instead, you overcompensate with this part of you.

It's called Reaction Formation and it explains why so much of the irrational hatred in the world makes sense to you and appeals to you.

Because it's what you learned to do to cope.

"They're suffering from Mental Illness"

No, that's not an answer.

You said "These people aren't suffering from Cancer"

I asked "What are they suffering from?"

You have to name the mental illness, just like you named the other illness called cancer.

You can't just say "Oh, they have mental illness."

Mental illness isn't a diagnosis anymore than physical illness is a diagnosis.

The problem you're encountering right now is you're smart enough to know there are facts you can't talk about in this discussion because you know the facts aren't on your side.

Name the illness when a girl with small ---- wants bigger ----.

Name the illness when a man cannot sustain an -------- but he thinks he should be able to take a pill which causes an --------.

"Problem with "gender affirming" care is that many trans people suffer one or more mental illnesses"

That's not limited to trans!

You never said what's the mental illness of a man who can't get an -------- but thinks he's entitled to one. What's it called?

You never said what's the mental illness of a woman who mistakenly believes her breasts are too small and her hair is the wrong color. What's that diagnosis?

"The specific illness and clinical term is Gender Dysphoria Snoofy."

A man who can't get an -------- has a mental illness called gender dysphoria.

And you said "They're suffering from Mental Illness and instead of placating to it, perhaps and just hear me out on this ... You address the dysphoria directly through therapy and medication."

What therapy, what medications, for the man who is so confused he believes he is entitled to an --------, without placating his delusions?

"Harvey Weinstein."

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You are forced to retreat to deflections, because you know this is a lost argument for you.
Here, allow me to make your argument for you, it's so easy!

Elon Musk has Gender Dysphoria because he is not happy with his small penis.
You say he's mentally ill and needs counseling.
Unfortunately he didn't listen to you and he went ahead with a botched penile enlargement surgery.

Now what? Should the doctors be thrown in jail? Should Elon be thrown in a mental ward?

You sound like you're in the market for penile enhancement surgery.

It's a common mental illness among men.

"Can ---- still serv?"

It's good you're thinking of alternate career paths!

"Snoofy, mental illness is cutting your dick off."

We already talked about Elon.

"I don't know about you, but my dick is my best friend."

Fifty years ago your penchant for chronic ------------ would have been called a mental illness!

These days, when your friend doesn't want to play with you any more, you to succumb to your mental illness and take the Little Blue Pill.

"What specifically about her person or her career is -------- to you?"

She's got bigger balls than him and it makes him sad.

"Gay marriage exists only because of a court order, the majority of Americans including those out in nutjob California rejected it."

And Black equal rights exists only because of a war and after a court order ended Jim Crow, the majority of Americans including those in the North rejected it.

Am I smelling what you're stepping in, Child Of The 80s?

I was there when Prop 8 happened. A lot of money from Utah was spent on that.

Their best results were in 2004, when Red states strategically put Gay Marriage on the ballot, knowing they could count on the haters who supported the pointless "Mission Accomplished" war in Iraq to vote against equal rights for gays.

Gay people are simply accepted in society now. But that could change. And they'll try to change it.

Men worship women. They worship the -----. Transgender gay men want that as well.
#130 | Posted by boaz

Not to -----foot around the topic, but why not let the transgender gay men have that, if there are people willing to give it to them?

"But other than feelings, why do men who believe they are women need to use women's bathrooms or compete against women in sports?"

What do you mean, other than feelings?
Let's say you're in the bathroom and a beautiful woman comes into the bathroom.
What happens next?

Isn't your entire premise that women's bathrooms aren't safe places for women because of trans men.
Trans women might be predators.

You've never once said men's bathrooms are safe spaces for trans women.
Why haven't you said that?
Because trans women are sneaky predators,
They're not welcome in any bathroom.

So What bathroom should trans women use, BillJohnson?
What you want is a world where trans people don't exist, and you can't ever have that, because trans people are a fact of life.

You can send them all to trans camps but they'll keep being born.
It's just the way people are.
You as a gay man should understand this
with every fiber of your being.

I'm not asking society to accommodate trans people any more than they accommodate any other person.

"I personally consider them to be pansexual."

Like when the Dish ran away with the Spoon!

Men worship women.
#130 | POSTED BY BOAZ

What Boaz is trying to say in Biblical terms is:
Men covet women.

They are Prized Possesions.

Marriage is still only between a man and a woman and always will be no matter what the courts say about it
#131 | POSTED BY THEBULL

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He comes here to suck his thumb at us.

"The God I believe in doesn't ordain same sex marriages."

Why should anybody care?

Point is, other people have different beliefs.
And their marriage is none of your business anyway.
So stop trying to make it your business.

What am I missing, am I being unfair to you in any way?

"From a biblical point of view, it's a sin."

From a Biblical point of view, sin is forgiven.

Still, you have chosen to be a victim.

"It's not just gay couples some churches may choose not to affirm."

Some churches?

Bigoted churches.

Separation of Church and State works both ways.
Churches may not make laws and the state may not dictate church doctrine.
That is, if you believe the Constitution is the gold standard for America.
#177 | Posted by BillJohnson

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Separation of Church and State is why gay marriage has to be legal.

You can keep your religious superstitions to your sinning self.

Your hatred of gay marriage is your problem for you to reconcile.

Not something you need to share with anyone but your therapist.

"I don't think the government should be on the hook for a lifetime of transgender related medical treatments and complications"

Okay, but unless you're in favor of applying that same standards to all gender related medical treatments and complications, you're just picking winners and losers.

Treating trans people differently than other people is a bigot play.

"such as hormones, which are used solely for cosmetic purposes."

Lots of people who are not trans are on hormones.

Every woman on The Pill. Many women in menopause. Men with low testosterone.

"I don't believe anyone here is questioning the legality of Gay Marriage."

Well, you're wrong.
Clarence Thomas has already said he wants to repeal it, using the same arguments they repealed Roe with.

Do you think Separation of Church and State means churches must adhere to what is the law?
That churches should be required to perform gay marriage ceremonies?
#184 | Posted by BillJohnson

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Churches aren't even required to perform straight marriages, so your question is nonsense.

Snoofy,
"anyone here"
as in people posting on this thread.

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Nobody cares.
People on this thread are not capable of repealing gay marriage.
We are not on the Supreme Court.

"I think you've been smoking too much weed and you're wierder than usual."

You're a ------ if you think the State can compel a Church to perform a marriage.

That's never happened. You're a ------- -------- for even imagining being victimized by it.

"Now I find myself wondering. "

We get it.
You're always dreaming up new ways that you can become an even bigger Victim.
It's what you do.
It's probably why you joined the Navy.
So you could get kicked out, and be a Victim.

"If a court decided that was discriminatory, could it force the church to either allow same sex ceremonies or stop allowing anyone to use the space?"

So what if they did?
Are you saying the Church will be harmed if gay marriage happens inside it?

"It's dismantling the Christian church and they are willing to push legal, cultural, and political boundaries to do it."

How?
How does it dismantle the Christian church when some other people use the building for some other purpose?

"Eventually some radical activist couple will try to use a church they know will say no, just to provoke a legal challenge and chip away at religious protections."

Well, if the Church was really stupid, and said no, we aren't going to marry you because you're queers, that might be actionable.

But if the Church simply said, we only perform marriage ceremonies for people in our congregation and at the Priest's discretion, which is what anybody with half a brain would say to any marriage request, then they don't have a case. Because they weren't being discriminated on the basis of a protected class.

That being said, churches are free to discriminate.

Your question sort of belies the problem with School Vouchers. The religious school you want to send your kids to, doesn't have to accept anyone. Unlike public schools, who do have to accept anyone. So, it is the same way for marriage, and marriage isn't even paid for with State money, like a voucher is. So there's really no way to claim you're being discriminated against, since anti-discrimination laws only come into play in very narrow circumstances like employment or public accommodation. A church is not a public accommodation.

"This is Populism; they find targets that the less educated can focus their hate on"

Correct.
BillJohnson hates trans people almost as much as he hates gay people.

"Once a church is pressured to perform or affirm something it fundamentally rejects, it's not just that church that suffers. It's the principle of religious freedom itself."

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Are you really this blissfully unaware of the Hobby Lobby decision?

Scalia (or was it Alito) wrote the Supreme Court opinion stating the Religious Freedom Restoration Act gives businesses an exemption from any Law that goes against a deeply held religious belief.

Start feeding your brain with knowledge instead of fear, BillJohnson.

"It was about whether a private business could be forced to violate its religious beliefs under federal law."

That's the same concern with churches being forced to have a gay marriage in their building!

"It pits claims of discrimination"

Actual discrimination.
Not mere "claims."
Your position is you must be able to discriminate against gays or it harms the Church.

It's not a independent agency if it's funded by the public.
#212 | Posted by chiligordo

So the Judiciary isn't independent after all.
And Congress isn't independent either, I take it...