"How was Trump supposed to know how much he was lying?"

Let's say. for argument's sake, America was doing some (still Top Secret) GoF?

What do you, new American, want Fauci to answer?

"Because he was lied to and didn't know it"

What a moron.

He was explained the science, and recounted to the country they should consider UV lights up their arsenal.

My guess, for history:

Rand Paul has access to classified information Fauci has been associated with GoF experiments in the past. Frankly, America's leaders would be bereft if we didn't.

Paul asks Fauci a question he knows Fauci can't legally answer truthfully, without violating his (Higher) loyalty to Top Secrets.

Conclusion: Rand Paul's an -------, whose ego is larger than his concern for the safety of America or Americans.

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~Alexandrite

"I wouldn't take either. He might crash the plane into the bus."
~LauraMohr

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Thank God I wasn't drinking coffee!

"But blaming Trump for every alleged vaccine problem or for the mandates and coercive policies imposed later under Biden makes little sense."

Was your head up your ass???

By the time Biden took over, Trump had politicized masking, distancing, and closures. It became a political act to refuse guidelines ... just ask Herman Caine.

"But now you're saying Trump had already shaped the masking, distancing, and closure debate before Biden even took office."

I lived through it. Where TF were you?

"Heard nothing praising Trump."

That's because Trump was endorsing behavior that put others at fatal risk. All while secretly getting vaccinated, and getting MONOCLONAL ANTIBODIES when NO ONE was getting that protocol.

"But Biden this and Biden that."

That's because sense is better than nonsense.

Just ask Trump-appointed Dr. Birx, who basically claimed all but the first 100,000 deaths should be laid at Trump's feet. No doubt part of it was politicizing actions like masks or distancing...suddenly, folks didn't want a vaccine, so they could own "teh libz"...all the way to the morgue.

"Based on your wording before, I don't think I care to see another of your posts on this thread."

You're such a whiner.

What is this, five? Or is it six times you've responded to me since you said you'd never respond again? I've lost count.

If you're so afraid of facing the truth, be sure to SIGN IN, so you don't have to get your fee-fees ruffled.

"So why wasn't Trump given more credit at the time?"

Because he was undermining the actual science. Also, not really LISTENING, to the point where he suggested UV lights up the wazoo.

Where were you when the rest of us were living through Trump's inadequacy?

" I've read all that before. Not my problem."

Translation: Bilge isn't about to face any truth. He'll run away, or refuse to read ANYTHING that doesn't compart with his fee-fees.

Those facts you listed? He'll pretend they don't exist.

" Bill Johnson is either not alert enough, not smart enough or not sincere enough to be taken seriously."

Bilge was told by the Navy recruiter he was smart.

The irony of the matter: He's too dumb to realize that's what they tell EVERY recruit.

George Carlin had a great line: Ya know how dumb the average American is? Well, half the people are dumber than him!

Bilge reminds us there has to be a dumbest 10% as well.

"He speaks calmly"

Easy to do when you ignore facts that prove you wrong.

" If I responded I would have to respond to each one. I would have to do a little research to find out what is factual and what is fabricated. About half of the stuff I see from liberals complaining and blaming Trump is exaggerations"

So ... you'd have to do research because you (admittedly) don't know what's true or not ...

... but you're sure half isn't true.

Do you realize how incredibly STUPID that is???

" Are you high? Dont type anhigh. If youre high"

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort!

"I would have to do a little research to find out what is factual and what is fabricated."

Spoiler Alert: ALL of them are true.

"Dan, it has become apparant that I seem to really rattle old BJ Boi's chains,"

The truth does that to him.

Watch: ask why, after almost six years, he still doesn't have ANY proof for his theory housemates were purloining mailed ballots to vote Biden in 2020.

"The list is actually kind of silly."

People died, asshole.

"I already have some opinions about a few of them."

Without knowing if they're true or not, as you've admitted up front.

Sounds like someone prioritizes feelings over facts.

"You're not rattling my chain."

...he pretends for the SEVENTH time....

"Millions of uncounted ballots are transported by truck and by air before they're processed."

Wow. That must happen with EVERY election. You'd think, with roughly 250 years of experience, you'd have examples of bulk votes being lost or missing.

Got any links? Or is this another fevered fantasy with ZERO proof?

"From a logistics standpoint, there are many ways large volumes of ballots could be lost, damaged, or otherwise fail to reach their destination. "

Luckily, they're serialized and watermarked. And a few other things they're not telling.

Bottom line: Every legal voter should have the right to participate in their own chosen legal way.

But it's telling, isn't it: Here's yet ANOTHER Big Lie about the efficacy of ballots, and despite decades and decades of possibilities...YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE.

Sounds familiar!

"Where did you get that from?"

That legal voters s should be able to cast legal votes??? My sense of right and wrong.

I've asked you directly before: Should it be made EASIER, or HARDER for the legal voter to cast their legal vote?

Feel free to give your current answer.

My own personal view is every legal voter should be able to choose the way they cast their legal vote: in-person, or by mail; early, or day-of. Frankly, no one should be able to tell another they CAN'T vote the way they choose.

What a riot.

BillJ has plonked me. So he's signing out to read what I've posted, and then signing back in to respond.

It's like the comedy writes itself!

"Show me where it says people tell the state how they want voting conducted."

I just did TODAY, when I went to vote early. In-person.

If my choice would've been absentee, I could've applied, and voted by mail.

THAT's ME telling the state how I want to vote.

"they don't have the right to decide how voting will be conducted."

Conducted?!? I'm talking about the legal voter casting a legal vote.

Clearly, you believe folks like you should be able to tell folks like me how and when I can vote. I disagree with your premise, and don't believe I can tell YOU how and when you're allowed to vote.

Not everyone has your or my situation. They should be able to engage with the voting system whichever way is most convenient for THEM, the taxpayer.

"On what grounds should you be sent an absentee ballot?"

Depends on what the voters in that state want. If they want request-only, fine. If they choose universal mailed ballots, fine.

My (red) state does it right: All I have to do is request.

And when my late MIL was near-blind and disabled, she was automatically sent a postcard to REQUEST a mail-in ballot for every election.

"They are special exceptions."

I don't believe that's your decision or mine. We don't pay THEIR taxes.

"Just because I want one isnt how it works."

Well, that's stupid. No one makes you give a reason for your taxation; why would anyone need a reason for their representation?

And frankly, that IS how it works, in a lot of smarter states.

"Quite a few states allow no excuse absentee ballots."

Including your home state.
Virginia allows no-excuse absentee voting, enabling residents to vote in person up to 45 days before an election without needing to provide a reason.

"If they are uncounted being shipped, that is a risk I believe we should work to reduce."

We already do.

You know every state has a system where voters can track absentee ballots, right?

You know if ANY bulk amount was lost or missing, the Elections Board would've had dozens if not hundreds of calls, right?

You know if you have NO proof of ANY incidences like this, no matter how far you go back...that means it didn't happen, RIGHT?

Do you have ANY links to ANY of this EVER happening???

For someone who uses the word "logistics", you have no sense of logic.

"If they are uncounted being shipped..."

The folks transporting those know exactly whose votes are in there. Not directly, of course, but it's part of the tracing system.

"...that is a risk I believe we should work to reduce."

Look at you, pretending we don't.

Please link to examples of us not addressing this risk.

"I'm talking about the future, not the past."

IOW, it's your goal to narrow "certain" people's legal voting abilities, because you're scared something MIGHT happen.

"Can you guarantee there will never be a major loss of ballots."

Without knowing about it??? YES. What part about ballots being tracked, watermarked, and serialized don't you understand?

"Figuring out what was lost will not be as easy as you believe"

Just admit: you want to make it harder on people you wish wouldn't vote, to vote. If that means concocting wild schemes with no proof, you seem to be fine with it.

"I think you have a rather lax attitude about our elections."

And I think you're a racist vote suppressionist, trying to hide behind conveniently manufactured fantasies.

"The fact you keep bringing up this arguement, that means you've never understood my point."

The fact there would be examples if your theory were correct means you've never understood MY point.

"On what grounds should you be sent an absentee ballot?"

On the grounds you'd like representation with your taxation.

" It's the simple logistics of the risk associated with shipping uncounted ballots."

Which has been going on for over a century, without any incident at scale.

No reason on Earth to make it HARDER for the legal voter to cast her or his legal vote.

I noticed you also didn't comment on the fact if they lose 1000 ballots, they know exactly who those 1000 people are. Serialized, watermarked, and tracked.

" Dan still has not understood I am not going on about fraud."

Nonsense. I'm very aware you, and no member of team Trump, has ever claimed fraud to a judge.

To do that inside of a courtroom, you need proof.

You have zero. And have had zero since ... Forever.

And here you are, unaware that your own home state has no-excuse absentee ballots.

" with all our technology, why should we be shipping uncounted ballots other than those necessary?"

But you aren't proposing a fix with technology. Your answer is to suppress particular voters and particular votes.

And, surprise surprise: it's exactly the same folks who usually vote against Republicans.

" how many deaths would have occurred if Hillary had won?"

Let's ask Dr. Debra Birx, one of Trump's spokes-doctors.

In a Congressional hearing, she testified-

"I look at it this way: The first time, we have an excuse," Birx said about the initial surge of deaths. "All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."

So how many deaths under HRC? Substantially less.

" why?"

She would've respected the science. And the math.

Trump politicized all things, from masking to distancing to vaccines. Folks literally died for political reasons.

Meanwhile, HRC would've at least had the guts to get the vaccines in public.

" coupled with the onslaught of misinformation"

One of the problems was that Trump was saying things the public could see were untrue almost immediately. I doubt there would've been as much misinformation with HRC at the helm.

She also never would have suggested UV lights up the wazoo.

" Now we're supposed to believe those voters would become victims of voter suppression merely because they returned to the same voting method they had always used before?"

You're arguing angels dancing on the head of a pin.

I believe it should be made EASIER for the legal voter to cast their legal vote.

You don't mind if it's harder ... for certain people.

Of course, your state has no-excuse absentee ballots. Why shouldn't voters in other states have the same options you do?

" Of those, 39% said it was their first time voting by mail."

And what percent complained of housemates stealing their ballot?

I mean ... Is it actually zero, or does the percentage just round to zero?

" Now we're supposed to believe those voters would become victims of voter suppression merely because they returned to the same voting method they had always used before?"

Hmmm.

So ... When it was made easier, more legal voters participated.

Thanks for proving my points!

" How hard would it have been to convince folks COVID was fake, Hillary, Fauci, etc.....all full of shit."

You missed the central point: the administration was the group giving bogus information, undermining its own goals. And the one segment that should've been cheering on the vax, turned against it ... because Trump.

" Congress subpoenaed Fauci"

On their own volition, or because Trump?

" And the absence of that administration "giving bogus information", you think those people would have listened to and followed Hillary?"

I believe the President's behavior affects the macro dial, yes.

All of them? Of course not. But would the deaths be lower? Absolutely.

The perfect example is Trump refusing to get a vaccine in public. How many lives do you think that would've saved?

My guess: more than none.

" So, you're unaware these senators have their own political careers?"

So, you're unaware these senators ask "How high?" when Trump says "jump" ... ?

Look at the only two types of Republicans who stand up to Trump: The soon-to-be-primaried, and the already-on-their-way-out.

" Danforth takes Dr. Birx's comments which clearly states we could have done better to mean Hillary would have done better but Dr. Birx didn't say that."

It takes an idiot not to believe it.

You've been given a half dozen reasons, and have pretended none of them actually exist.

FFS, even YOU believe HRC would've done better.

" But the morons you think could manage to behave better?"

I believe the president moves the macro dial, yes.

Gee, it sounds like we've been here before. Too much sand in your ears???

"But achieve better results? I want to believe that as well."

She wouldn't have undermined the science. That's gotta be worth six figures of lives, right there.

And you really need more?!?

" But you can put your faith into better choices by trailer trash redneck magats"

And you're free to believe presidents don't move the needle.

I respectfully disagree.

She wouldn't have undermined the science. That's gotta be worth six figures of lives, right there."

"also...very cute."

Did you flunk actuarial science in insurance school?

Birx basically blamed Trump for everything over 100,000 deaths.

I was cutting that excess number by 90%.

But Eb knows better.

" I don't need any more to come the conclusion that you have a pathological desire to be agreed with."

What a riot. I'm telling the truth, and to Eb, that's PATHOLOGICAL.

Let that sink in.

" If you really believed the president moves the macro dial then you'd accept that Hillay would have been so hated, so despised, that Americans would have spit on each other in a closet to ensure they give each other the COVID just to spite her."

Dude, chill.

Your argument has been reduced to MAGA would be greater dividers than President HRC a uniter. That MAGA is so virulent, so spiteful, they'd sacrifice their own kids to the altar of Trump.

So ... I'll give you that one.

" Using Brix as evidence isn't actuary science"

True. That's just straight math, from an expert Donald Trump hired.

Discounting Brix's opinion is ludicrous.

" to what Democrats thought were dangerous administrative policies."

Silly Dems.

Everyone knew the answer was UV lights up the wazoo.

" only spoke out after she left the administration, when it was no longer personally or professionally risky, and needed to deflect from any criticism she might face."

So, like a John Cornyn, or Jeff Flake.