Eff,

"he hurts people you hate"

I don't feel hatred towards anyone being deported.

When problems go on long enough, fixing it is no easy task.

Donner,

The assumption is Americans.

Donner,

"humans are but helpless pawns."

Not at all.

People have a free will.

We choose what to do and what to believe (mostly).

Chuffed,

"Everything these clowns have done will be undone."

That is a great opening.

Exactly what do you see getting undone?

Zed,

"believing as you do in the Devil"

You are absolutely correct that I believe in the Devil.

I believe the Devil is very real.

Snoofy,

"Are you one of those people?"

Does it really matter what I think now?

At this point it's a moot question.

He's doing what I wanted to see done and what I believe America needs.

And no...I don't believe Democrats are doing what is best for America at this time.

Zed,

"And I can still remember when you said that he was a good manager."

Apparently he's a GREAT manager considering what he managed to pull off.

A "good manager" refers to someone's ability to coordinate people, systems, strategy, and accomplish objectives.

It doesn't automatically mean everything they accomplish is morally good.

Zed,

"It's a right versus wrong sort of thing, BILL Not a conservatives versus liberals sort of thing."

That's unfortunate for you, if you actually see politics that simplistically.

Once people convince themselves one side represents "good" and the other represents "evil," meaningful discussion usually ends right there.

John,

"Show me another American citizen who has ever been convicted of 34 felonies and never saw the inside of a jail cell, not even for a single night."

The problem is Trump is also taking on American problems like the border, immigration, trade, crime and government bureaucracy that many voters feel have been ignored and mismanaged for years.

So even people who dislike his personality, rhetoric, methods or even ethics may still support him because they believe he is at least confronting issues other politicians have either downplayed or endlessly talked about doing nothing.

As far as presidential power, protection, and political shielding go, I honestly can't think of anything in modern American politics that reaches further than this.

What,

Trump essentially got a "Get out of jail free" card.

Well no...he actually got a whole stack of them he can hand out to other people, corporations, and political allies, too.

Amazing.

Tops anything I've ever heard of.

No...I don't like this.

TV Show Facts of Life theme song goes,

You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The facts of life

Tfd,

#54
You kinda took what I said out of context, but that's ok.

Not worth the effort discussing it.

Johnny,

I agree that Trump's action was amazingly far reaching.

I think I was first to post that on here (didn't start a new thread) because I was flabbergasted.

It is rather shocking how he managed this.

Johnny,

I reread about Biden's pardons and it wasn't as far reaching as I thought.

Zed,

"I interact with you, BILL, because you've helped me a conceive a whole new slant on the nature of evil."

It is quite interesting the way liberal leaning and conservative leaning people are able to look at the world so differently.

Perhaps the difference between me and you is that I see good and bad virtues in both.

You, apparently, can only see anything positive with liberals, while conservatives are automatically cast as villains.

2020,

"MAGATs wouldn't say a peep if Orange Bastid kicked in their door, kicked their dog, slapped their children, ------ their wife, and fled the scene in their car."

If he would leave me some of the 1.7 billion, how can you object?

I can buy another car.

Chan,

"Oh goodie, another thread for BJ to practice his self flagellation."

That's actually funny.

But why self-flagellate when there's a line of eager participants willing to do it for you?

Saves effort on my part, and we both get something out of it.

Dan,

"Is that what YOU believe, Bill?"

To some degree.

It's certainly possible Obama was used as a baseline or for comparison, behind the scenes.

Or even that people point-blank asked for his opinion.

This really isn't anything new in politics.

Dan,

"The definition of lawfare is prosecuting someone for an action ANYONE ELSE COULD DO WITHOUT FEAR OF LEGAL REPERCUSSIONS."

Using your definition, you're essentially saying Biden and his family were subjected to lawfare, but Trump wasn't?

I don't agree with your definition, and neither do several that I found.
At its core, lawfare is the use of the legal system as a weapon to intimidate, damage, or politically target opponents.

Honestly, I thought you were going to come back from a different angle.

I figured you'd argue it's only lawfare against Biden because "Biden and his family aren't guilty of anything...it's all trumped up while Trump actually is a criminal" or something along those lines.

(I loved how trumped up worked in so well.)