Wow, nobody can read nor do even basic math here.

well, no wonder you're all pissed about being broke.

If I were illiterate and unable to calculate anything, I'd be pissed as well.

I'm not trolling.

I'm not missing a barn.

You're not even able to discuss anything. Just complain and whine about the circumstances.

I know how much minimum wage is. I know how much rent is. Stop revealing your ignorance, for Christs sakes.

I can try to make point.....for the 5th time.

Again.......try and understand this...

"I agree that today's economy presents unique challenges to youngsters.
But the steps to avoid the pitfalls of debt are the same steps you took (live within my means...say no to a few trips..)
It's a huge challenge but the choices (good and bad) are still the same."

The above post was a response to QCP's comment about his youth and the steps he took to get out of his debt. Saying no to things.

I can say the same thing to a youngster TODAY that finds him or herself in the same situation.

I didn't say ---- about trying to raise a family on minimum wage, which is so ------- ludicrous, you should all be embarrassed you went that direction.

Jesus...are you all minimum skilled losers making minimum wage? Is this just your way to admit it? Or, you reared children like just described? Minimum skilled workers who can't make it today?

I'm not chastising a young person for busting their ass trying to get by today. I can see it firsthand with my own kids. Except the minimum skilled part, of course.

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Is English a language you speak? I don't know what the ---- you're even saying.

-Apathy is also whats killing America.

True but your absolute ignorance of how our economy works isn't part of any solution.

-The fact that you consider what I'm saying to be "whining"

What do you call it? You're literally complaining about how a man with skills so low that they are able to earn only minimum wage and that wage can't support a family with it.

I call it whining.

You call it whatever you want. But everyone is going to ignore you except to belittle you like I am right now.

"the reason why politicians feel like it's totally fine screwing over minimum wage workers."

Can a man in California support a family on minimum wage?

I guessing no......and that's largely in part because not even Democrats in California care all that much for minimum wage workers.

-There's no "living within your means" when you're not being paid a living wage.

Again, do you know anyone who fits this description?

Other than yourself, perhaps?

"Quite the opposite.
Minimum wage needs to be a living wage again."

Geez....you're really screwed up.

Kids do indeed need to learn to live within their means.

Because there is no making the minimum wage a living wage again.

There is no way that's going to happen.

So, since that's the way it is....why don't you try and be part of the solution instead of bitching like a little wimp you're not getting your way.

I assume you have no children so we're all grateful you're not out there screwing up another generation of clownshacks.

-In the 1950s, a man could care for their family of 4 with a single income earning minimum wage.

I know. Then we went off the rails and started crazy things that screwed over that minimum skilled man.

like civil rights, the ERA, etc....you know.....things that leveled the playing field. Then we asked that minimum skilled man to compete with men from other countries for the same job.

And now that same minimum skilled man can't care for his family on minimum wage.

Can we dispense with the whining about that and move on to what's realistic?

-So I'm not sure why you have advice for poor people

I stated it clearly I don't have advice for poor people. I have advice for youngsters who are trying to navigate the real world they are living in.

-"kids need to learn how to live within their means like I did!

Obviously, you're attempting hyperbole and sarcasm with that but you accidentally got it right.

Kids need to learn to live within their means, even if the world isn't delivering them the economic justice they feel entitled to.

I completely understand the flaw of the cost of higher education that results in a job that makes it very difficult to service that student loan debt and be able to afford rent, transportation, etc.

But despite that.....they still have to take the same steps I took back when I had student loans and had to afford rent, a car, and my starbucks and avocado toast. LOL

-Poor people are poor by design.

Based on how we define "poor" then yes, it's by design.

We distribute income on a bell curve and the bottom 20% are poor. or whatever % we choose to define it.

There is no mathematical way to escape it.

I know 18 year old idiots who are training for tech jobs that will pay $30/hour when they are out.

My 18 year old is making $22/hr working construction this summer. In Kansas, BTW.

Here is a rough guideline to avoid earning anything near the federal minimum wage

1. Be sober
2. show up on time
3. have a drivers license

Those 3 will assure you of making triple the minimum wage even if you possess no other real skills. I'm guessing you're going to fall short on some of those?

Clownshack...seriously...do you know a single person making the minimum wage....let's assume it's the California minimum wage?

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I can add, moron.

You haven't posted anything worth responding to, really.

IF your kids are making minimum wage and spending it on starbucks and avocado toast, then...well....your kids are ------. Truly ------.

Primarily for having nothing more than minimum skills. Honestly, I can't think of anybody who can only make federal minimum wage.

Next, if after only having barely enough skills to earn only the minimum wage.....they aren't entitled to starbucks or avocado toast.

-You think people in this economy who are struggling or doing so because they're taking too many vacations??

no. That's not what I said.

-How does one "live within their means" when they're not being paid a living wage?

I don't have an answer on how to get poor people to stop being poor.

I simply said the steps to avoid unnecessary debt are the same as they were.

The challenges are real, no doubt and are increasing all the time.

I have 25 and 23 year old daughters living in 2 of the biggest cities in the US. They're managing professional jobs and paying rent and all their expenses.

You want to ask them your stupid questions?

-Having said that I'm not sure I could have done that if I was starting out in today's economy.

I agree that today's economy presents unique challenges to youngsters.

But the steps to avoid the pitfalls of debt are the same steps you took (live within my means...say no to a few trips..)

It's a huge challenge but the choices (good and bad) are still the same.