-you think me listing facts from a study is "ranting".

In the context of this discussion? Yes....100% ranting. It's not even worth responding to .....none of it.

Not because it's not true......but because it's not the context of this discussion.

The beginning of this was me asking Zed how many fewer deaths and he didn't answer. You took it as though I was attacking Hillary and/or defending Trump.

Because you're a moron.

I actually think there would have been fewer deaths.......but Danforth takes Dr. Birx's comments which clearly states we could have done better to mean Hillary would have done better but Dr. Birx didn't say that.

Hillary would have behaved better, been a better example, etc.

but here is the ironic part......just to argue with me you guys are taking the position that redneck magats are better people, more socially responsible people than I think they are.

Do you realize that?

-The perfect example is Trump refusing to get a vaccine in public. How many lives do you think that would've saved?
My guess: more than none.

If the burden has been lowered to 1 less death, then I guess you win.

congrats.

Let's play golf....but I guess I'll have to spot you 4 strokes a hole though.

-I believe the President's behavior affects the macro dial, yes.

I believe rednecks hate Hillary and her good behavior is meaningless.

Rednecks believe Biden stole the election. So his behavior is irrelevant.

At least with regards to getting people to take their health more seriously.

-And I know. You're not bothered by any of this

I know.....you carry that burden for me, Clown.

Thanks for that, BTW.

Why should I worry about it when you worry about it enough for 5 other people?

LOL

-On their own volition, or because Trump?

So, you're unaware these senators have their own political careers?

Senate committees didn't haul people in for such absurd theatre until Trump came along?

Joe McCarthy was really just working for Truman?

I got a speeding ticket recently......should I explain that with "because Trump"?

-You missed the central point: the administration was the group giving bogus information

And the absence of that administration "giving bogus information", you think those people would have listened to and followed Hillary?

When the internet (the real tool used to misinform people) was going to tell people the same shit and tell them not to trust Hillary?

same people......same behavior.

I think Boazboy still thinks I'm criticizing democrats. I'm not. I'm praising democrats for their efforts and trashing republicans who would have predictably wrecked things no matter what.

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sorry....I meant to say "without" Trump in the WH.

-Trump is distracting people with Fauci.

No, we're doing it to ourselves. Congress subpoenaed Fauci and others have gone on the record all without Trump doing much.

-Still waiting for you to refute the numerous findings found in this and many other studies.

Why don't YOU post something and ask me to refute it. Because you're lying....you're not waiting on me to do anything of the sort.

Red state morons are red state morons even when a democrat wins the White House, little fella. If anything....in order to own the libs(especially one living in the White House), red state morons work HARDER at being red state morons.

Here....let me help you out......Donald Trump is president....when he won the election and well...every day since....how angry are you? How pissed are you at everyone who voted for him or even sat at home that day when they could have voted against him?

Now...take that anger and give it to everyone who voted FOR Trump and imagine how fucking pissed they all would be if Hillary had won that election.

that is a lot of people who would have set themselves on fire if told to.

Only 4 short years later, a coup was staged at the US Capitol over the baseless allegation the election was stolen.....and then we go ahead and vote that guy back into office AFTER it's revealed it was all bullshit.

You can sell ANYTHING to these people because they want it to be true. How hard would it have been to convince folks COVID was fake, Hillary, Fauci, etc.....all full of shit.

Indivduals and States had to make changes to successfully combat COVID and reduce the impact.

Lockdowns, masks, ivermectin, etc.....all of that would have been the same challenges to implement everywhere it didn't happen with Trump in the WH.

Okay...well, if Bill Johnson can manage to distract anybody with more talk about mail-in ballots on a thread about Fauci and COVID......then I'll move on.

Enjoy Bill and his insanity.

Trump didn't have to work hard at a sales pitch to morons who were begging to be told what they wanted to hear....which was that social distancing, masks, etc...was all hooey.

It was an easy sell. Especially when all someone had to do was contradict Hillary Clinton......extremely easy sell.

-So how many deaths under HRC? Substantially less.

I disagree, but not for the reason you might think.

It's not because Hillary wouldn't have taken different steps because I'm confident she would have managed communication better, and managed many things better.

What I'm saying is that I give power to the rednecks who refused to listen to Fauci and anybody else who was trying to help.

People who voted for Trump actually distrust Hillary and democrats more than they actually like or trust Trump.

the wave of ignorance from red state leadership coupled with the onslaught of misinformation that would have been every bit as prevalent with Hillary at the helm as with Trump and the lack of trust in the White House would have been staggering if Hillary had won.

So my point is that Hillary would have done things way better but it wouldn't have mattered. The politicization of COVID was going to happen either way.

I can outplay that guy and I don't own a golf course.......well, actually I do.......sort of.

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You're misunderstanding me entirely, Donner.

Shall I let you continue with your ignorant rant or would you like me to stop you?

BTW, I'm not criticizing Fauci. I've never hammered him for anything.

And I'm not saying Birx is wrong......but perhaps you're simply drawing a conclusion that makes you feel better.

-So how many deaths under HRC? Substantially less.

why?

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so? Of course a Doctor can retrace steps and re-draw a path that they believe would have resulted in fewer deaths....and we can agree on that.

That does not answer my question.

-Would 1.15 million American COVID deaths exist without Trump?

This should be good......so how many deaths would have occurred if Hillary had won?