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Wednesday, September 11, 2024

Josh Marshall: I feel obligated to note at the top that you can win a debate and lose the election. Donald Trump isn't a momentary candidate. Nothing happened tonight that is going to shake the confidence of his supporters. But with that said, this debate was an absolute rout. But from the very first exchange she maintained the initiative, kept Trump on the defensive the entire time and simply dominated him.

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I don't see any way to contest that basic verdict. She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.

Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.

The debate basically ended after the extended exchange on abortion rights. Trump's answers were meandering, defensive and absurd, topped off by a completely needless decision to throw JD Vance under the bus. Harris I think hit every point her campaign or probably any abortion rights advocate could have wished for. She didn't stop with definitive promises to defend abortion rights. She went into an extended discussion of the human impact of what she branded "Trump abortion bans." Again and again, through the debate she found ways to hit points her campaign would have prepped her to be ready for. It's like what are all the possible policy or attack points we might conceivably want to make? Kamala was practically emptying the cupboard. I'm going to hit every damn one! It was amazing. Trump actually managed to lose the exchange over the withdrawal from Afghanistan. How was that even possible?

What we saw tonight was something neither Hillary nor Biden could do. Kamala dominated Trump from the second she walked across the stage to shake his hand, while distinctly and clearly pronouncing her name. The faux-alpha was turned into a quasi beta **** and he knows it. A black/Indian woman of accomplishment said words to his face tonight that no other woman alive ever had in tones of dismissiveness, scorn and superiority.

I can't wait to read the insider stories coming from tonight that will obviously be leaked by some of those currently experiencing his likely worst eruption ever. My advice? Hide the Heinz bottles, stat.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 01:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Harris won the debate. I wouldn't call it a "domination" by any stretch. Like the person who posted this thread, she excels at talking a lot and saying very little, to nothing. Lucky for her, the lack of substance was STILL enough to best Trump.

Tony Roma,

You are not remotely objective. If my recollection is wrong, please correct me and I'll gladly retract if this is the case - I recall you claiming Biden smoked Trump during the first debate and Biden's cognitive impairment was so fully exposed that power-brokers in his own party dumped him in unprecedented fashion.

#2 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-11 01:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Correction:

I recall you claiming Biden smoked Trump during the first debate YET Biden's cognitive impairment was so fully exposed that power-brokers in his own party dumped him in unprecedented fashion.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-11 01:45 AM | Reply

I recall you claiming Biden smoked Trump during the first debate YET Biden's cognitive impairment was so fully exposed that power-brokers in his own party dumped him in unprecedented fashion.

You are very wrong. I didn't watch the first debate on purpose, so I made no defense of Biden's performance from firsthand observation.

I did argue that Democrats should simply stop dividing each other over it, and that we were stuck with Biden as the only possible way of defeating Trump.

And if you follow my writing, the afternoon that Biden withdrew, I was ready to check out. And then I watched everyone independently coalesce around Harris in ways that were impossible for Biden. And by the end of the afternoon, the shift in energy was palpable and hope sprung up from despair. We all know that this shift has been unprecedented in our history and certainly one for the record books.

BTW, in almost every single article I post, there are copious arguments made with facts or directed opinion to back them up. It's very lazy to dismiss direct criticisms without offering anything other than the weak-tea of partisan labels. When you post threads, we bring facts and evidence to counter your usual wackiness. At least try to find a fact-based counter without falling to the eternal trope that such criticisms are only based on partisanship when they're actually full of distinct points which deserve addressing.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 02:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I didn't watch the first debate on purpose, so I made no defense of Biden's performance from firsthand observation."

Okay. I stopped reading right there. I take you at your word on this one.

#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-11 02:11 AM | Reply

And in response to something you said earlier, you obviously haven't seen the 10-15 second cuts from tonight where Harris absolutely eviscerates Trump in the manner I described. Never in the history of US Presidential debates has a sitting Vice President told a former President that world leaders laugh at him and think that he's a joke. And her tone when she did it was as sharp as her words. That's dominance.

And the abortion split screen and her passionate soliloquy on women's bodily autonomy was master class. I don't care who're you're for, when you see these clips removed from the rest of the slogging debate, their impact is devastating. That is why your handwringing about the moderators is so meaningless. The fact checking clips won't be the story, his own scowl when confronted by a women emasculating him to his face will be.

You won't have to take my word for it because they'll be coming to political ads near you likely by tomorrow.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 02:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"you obviously haven't seen the 10-15 second cuts from tonight where Harris absolutely eviscerates Trump in the manner I described."

I watched all but the last few minutes of the debate.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-11 02:28 AM | Reply

I clearly separated watching the entire debate from beginning to end from the video cuts of 10 to 30 seconds of Trump in splitscreen; never looking Harris in the eye ONE TIME all evening as she called him a liar to his face; called him an international laughing stock to his face; and schooled him on how millions of women intimately feel in the aftermath of the overturning of Roe v. Wade, something he brags about with selfish, ignorant glee, while intentionally misstating how unpopular that court decision was universally with it overturning a personal right of autonomy held by women for 50 years.

Trump was dominated and triggered in a way no other politician since 2015 has ever manipulated Trump into being the absolute worst version of himself.

And to top it all off, Truth Social dropped 15% in overnight trading after spiking before the debate. Money don't lie even when Trump and his allies always do.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 07:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Marshall finished with this:

What Harris had to do in this debate was show she could handle Donald Trump, even dominate him if possible and do so in a way that was steady and forceful. She did that. And that puts her on a path toward sealing the deal with that small fraction of voters who will determine the outcome of the election. Not a done deal but she took the critical first step. She also managed a bonus, which wasn't absolutely necessary, which was to set Trump off, rambling, incoherent and angry. He was practically yelling by the end of the debate. She baited him into acting out the role of her foil. As I've often said in other contexts, more important than any of the details is likely the imagery of dominance.

She came, she saw, she conquered. But tomorrow is another day. And there's still two hard fought months to go.

Harris emasculated Trump last night and all he could do about it was sprew nonsense like an open fire hydrant and forecast a dystopian future for this nation if he's not reelected. Which, if voters recall, was precisely the same thing he said in 2016 about Hillary, in 2020 about Biden, and now in 2024 about Harris. America and Americans are still here, yet he cannot articulate a single solitary policy detail on something he believes will improve lives on Main Street. Instead he acts like an orange-tinged George Costanza, perpetually turning his personal Festivus-like airing of his many grievances into a 24/7/365 non-stop flood of personal derogations and fabulist lies.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 08:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Haris did so well against Trump last night I'm going out to eat a dog.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-11 08:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

After last night, any THINKING human being knows that Trump will surrender Ukraine to Putin and will support a national abortion ban.

If you want these outcomes, then that misogynistic cheese-eating surrender monkey Trump is your man.

If you long for a better life, choose Harris.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-11 08:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Haris did so well against Trump last night I'm going out to eat a dog.

Save a leg for me, okay Zed. Sounds delish.... and we can wash it down with cup after cup of Strawbringer's tears, vintage 9/10/24.

That was a good evening .... (burp)

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 08:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#10

While it is newsworthy because it's true, the comment's intentional morbidness is actually pretty funny considering how insane the topic is.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 09:16 AM | Reply

Another viewpoint:

In theory, Trump and his team should've seen all of this and prepared accordingly. After all, Democrats spent weeks effectively broadcasting their playbook, telling the whole world exactly what Harris intended to do. It was like watching the runup to a Super Bowl, in which one team's coaches spoke publicly about which plays they were eager to call.

But in practice, the GOP nominee simply couldn't help himself.

Harris went out of her way to bring up points that were obviously designed to trigger the former president. There were references to John McCain. And Trump's bankruptcies. And his inheritance. And the fact that he was "fired" by 81 million people. And Project 2025. And his disparagement of U.S. troops. And the fact that his own alma mater, the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, slammed his economic plan.

Just as importantly, the vice president routinely laughed at her Republican rival - knowing that for Trump, there is no greater insult.

She was obviously baiting him. Trump took the bait anyway, and in the process, proved the Democrat's point.

I've seen every televised debate in American history, and I can honestly say that there's never been a more lopsided affair. Trump was unprepared; he lied uncontrollably; he fell into every trap; he came across as rattled and angry; and by all appearances, the GOP candidate didn't have any kind of strategy whatsoever.

Trump failed in every way a candidate can fail, as Harris succeeded in every way a candidate can succeed.

Steve Benen

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 09:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why does Jeffy spend so much effort shilling for a criminal traitor?

Apparently he's been traumatized on these pages!

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-11 09:44 AM | Reply

The last time he got spanked this hard by a woman he had to pay her $130,000.

#16 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-11 10:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 1

If you refuse to answer the first question in the debate, which was a simple yes/no, you didn't dominate anything. Pyrrhus in action. Like she was trying to lose before it started. At least she rallied during the Abortion segment.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-11 10:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

If you refuse to answer the first question in the debate,

Can you inform me of a single question directed to Trump that he answered with depth and detail regarding anything but himself and his precious feelings spread across every single topic?

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#2 | Posted by BellRinger

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a ---- what you think.

#19 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-11 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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Look, little fella. I know you want some attention here and you're willing to suck ----- to get it but you're wrong.

EVERYONE cares what Bell thinks here. They massively disagree with him but they do care...even if it's purely to argue against him.

That's why everyone responds to him and NOBODY responds to you.

You could try to make an on-topic comment specific to the issue rather than personal insults.

But my guess you're contributing what you can.....and the personal insults is all you have.

Maybe it's time for another handle.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-11 11:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Best lines about last night's debate:

In Kamala Harris's big general-election debate four years ago, she faced off against an opponent with a fly on his head.

In her immeasurably bigger debate on Tuesday night, she confronted an opponent with bats inside his.

www.nytimes.com

Simply gold.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The more I think about it, the more I realize what a remarkable job Harris did last night:


Trump is a challenge for anyone, because he is a weird mix of super dangerous and a joke. . . . [T]hink of how much harder this challenge grows for a woman running against him. Play up his danger, and you risk being seen as shrill, or weak, or scared, or hysterical. Belittle him, and you risk coming off as a bitch, a ballbreaker, a nag, a witch. It was remarkable, then, to see Harris's comfort last night in treating Trump as both of these things at once, a danger and a clown.

She loves her a Venn diagram, and in the debate she seemed to find the lens-shaped intersection of what supremely dangerous wannabe autocrats and semi-retired, narcissistic, imploding clowns have in common: They are not thinking about you.

the.ink

Here's an interesting observation about a technique Harris employed:

The most important new thing I saw her do was prebunking. Pre-, not de-. Debunking is waiting for someone to lie and then hitting back with the truth. It doesn't work in politics as much you would hope it would in an age saturated by lies. But prebunking works better. Prebunking is explaining to people how they are being (or, better yet, will be) manipulated, what the motive is, how the con works, how the lie will be crafted and how it will function, and, for extra credit, who benefits from it and how. In the age of Trump, too many of his opponents have been all debunk, no prebunk.

But in last night's debate, again and again, Harris rose to the meta level and explained Trump's ways in advance so as to inoculate against their infectiousness. "I'm going to tell you all, in this debate tonight, you're going to hear from the same old, tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances and name-calling," she said in the first minutes. In another moment, she prebunked any professions Trump might make to be admired by foreign autocrats for his strength: "It is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear, they can manipulate you with flattery and favors."


What better way to show that Trump is playing from "the same old, tired playbook" than to predict his same old moves beforehand?

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-11 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

It wasn't that hard of a thing to do. Hell, most of the time he seemed to think he was still running against Biden.

He's so brain dead he said he has "a concept of a plan."

All of the faux concern over Biden being subjected to elder abuse was shown to be complete BS by the MAGA morons pushing that brainless sack of s%#^ onto the stage.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2024-09-11 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Oh boy, here we go again

Eberly is equating taunts and humiliation of a users convenient, capricious and asinine comments here on the DR as a validation of something.

It's as if standing the middle of the store yelling at the sky and pounding sand isn't going to attract attention

Anybody can do it

#24 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-09-11 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He's so brain dead he said he has "a concept of a plan."

Nothing has changed.

Trumps "plan" 7 years ago:

"It's very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven't put it in quite yet but we're going to be doing it soon," Trump insisted during an interview over the weekend with The Washington Post's Robert Costa. "We're going to have insurance for everybody," he continued. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us." People covered under Trumpcare "can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better."

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-11 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

... 'No One Has Ever So Thoroughly Dominated Donald Trump' ...

Well, I'd say that no one has ever done so so publicly before.

I can imagine, based upon the photos afterwards, that Pres Putin dominated fmr Pres Trump in Helsinki a few years back.

I can just imagine Pres Putin, at an important point of that meeting, starting to tease fmr Pres Trump abut crowd size ...


#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-11 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I would say trump looked like he was getting beaten by Mike Tyson...

But Trump's ear was intact.

#27 | Posted by RevDarko at 2024-09-11 01:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Can you inform me of a single question directed to Trump that he answered with depth and detail regarding anything but himself and his precious feelings spread across every single topic?

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'll answer that the day Kamala answers a yes/no question.

TLDR: I expect more out of Democrats than a wrestling villain running as President. You should too.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-11 02:01 PM | Reply

Her initial strategy was weird. She did much better as the debate went on and Trump would spit out some complete falsehoods and then go "In my opinion".
She tried to have it both ways on tariffs. It's a Trump Tax, except they kept them in place. She went out of her way to refuse to answer the simple "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?"

She destroyed him on character references, abortion, & obamacare repeal. He had less than nothing.

You want a single question directed to Trump that he answered, it's the one you didn't expect but is the most revealing.

"JD Vance says you will do XYZ." "I don't talk to JD Vance."

Do you need more explanation than that? The Republican ticket doesn't communicate and has no idea what their own platform is. There's no detail to go into because there's nothing there. It was one of the very, very few true things Trump said during the debate.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-11 02:09 PM | Reply

Browsin* through the embedded analysis for this thread, it doesn't read any different than if Harris's PR team wrote it. Our media are absolutely awful.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-11 02:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

TLDR: I expect more out of Democrats than a wrestling villain running as President. You should too.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Your request has been granted.

Still having trouble making up your "mind?"

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-11 02:15 PM | Reply

Our media are absolutely awful.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger

Tell me about it. Our most popular news network intentionally lied about imaginary election fraud in 2020 because they wanted to please the cult of a con man. Can you believe it?

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-11 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

Sad to see Jeffy crying and whining over a criminal traitor.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-11 02:16 PM | Reply

"She tried to have it both ways on tariffs. It's a Trump Tax, except they kept them in place."

Because not all tariffs are bad. Some narrowly focused on a few strategic industries are effective and not a net negative. But Trump wants tariffs across the board. If trumps tariff plan was enacted, economists believe Trump's tariff plan could cost middle-class households at least $1700 per year.

Inflation is up but as long as wages are up more than inflation it is a net positive for consumers.

July 2024: Inflation was 2.9% while wages grew by 4.7%.

June 2023"June 2024: Wages grew 3.9%, which was faster than inflation.

April 2023"April 2024: Wages rose 3.9% while inflation increased 3.4%.

Since February 2020: Average hourly earnings rose 22.3% while the Consumer Price Index climbed 20.8%

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-11 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She did much better as the debate went on

She was nervous as the debate started. You could hear it in her shortness of breath and slight strain to talk.

But that faded away fast and she started throwing some major punches.

I'm not sure if America is ready to elect a southeast Asian / Jamaican woman for the presidency.

But she definitely won last night's debate.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-11 02:24 PM | Reply

25 seconds you missed during the Debate!

www.youtube.com

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-11 02:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

One line is all you need to hear from last night-

"I have concepts of a plan ... I'm not president right now."

After 9 years and two months before his third election, this is the best he has.

You have to be fracking stupid to vote for that idiot.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2024-09-11 03:15 PM | Reply

Stephan Colbert summed it up best-one of his funniest ever!

www.youtube.com

#38 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-09-11 03:18 PM | Reply

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-11 02:15 PM | Reply

Just because I'd already made up my mind, doesn't mean I'm happy with non-answers and dodging responsibility for everything bad that happened instead of taking ownership. It makes third party votes sound tenable.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-11 03:27 PM | Reply

@#27 ... I would say trump looked like he was getting beaten by Mike Tyson... ...

Debate Desperation Time For Democrats
drudge.com

...
I watched the Harris and Daddy Walz interview. She is ------- toast for the debate. The Democrats would probably have been better served just keeping Biden in the race. If the interview is any indication, Trump will most likely destroy her in the Debate. ...
#14 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-09-02 03:37 PM

...


#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-11 03:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#38

That was a tour de force by Colbert... especially given how quickly it was put together as writing and with the clips.

#39

Yeah, had she taken 'ownership', it wouldn't be so difficult to decide between her and a criminal traitor?

What are you smokin', Sitzbath?

I want some!

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-11 03:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

'No One Has Ever So Thoroughly Dominated Donald Trump'

I'm not so sure about that. From the look Melania wears around, I am pretty sure she has thoroughly dominated him...

#42 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-11 03:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Gollum J. Trump (Parroty)
@realGollumTrump

WE WONS RIDDLEBATES PRECIOUS!!! WONS IT BY BIGLY MUDSLIDES!!! SO NICE!! SO FREEEEEEEE!! DIDNT EVEN SEEMS GRUMPY AND MADS WHOLE ENTIRE TIMES!! DIDNT EVEN!!! But weren't we grumpsy Precious eh? With scowls and frowns? EH?! Always on the fensive! Always losing topicses! NO!! QUIET!!

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-11 03:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Normally if you want to see an old fool get that thoroughly dominated by a woman a cover charge is involved.

#44 | Posted by Tor at 2024-09-11 04:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

- @realGollumTrump

That's Hilarious, Gal!

"Andy Serkis as Gollum or Smagol reading Trumps tweet's"

www.youtube.com

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-11 04:02 PM | Reply

Man, it's been years since I've heard Gollum's voice-thanks for posting Corky & Gal.

#46 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-09-11 04:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just because I'd already made up my mind, doesn't mean I'm happy with non-answers and dodging responsibility for everything bad that happened instead of taking ownership. It makes third party votes sound tenable.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg

The fact that you reference "everything that happened" as if this has been a disastrous presidency, PLUS imply that the VP has any power to control policy, shows that you're accepting the framing of the putin puppet party.

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-11 04:49 PM | Reply

Interesting reaction to the debate by fmr Pres Trump's social media stock, DJT.

Down 10% today.

#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-11 04:49 PM | Reply

DJT Down 10% today.

#48 | Posted by LampLighter

And DOW up 124 points.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-11 05:09 PM | Reply

Just because I'd already made up my mind, doesn't mean I'm happy with non-answers and dodging responsibility for everything bad that happened instead of taking ownership.

Instead of answering a yes/no question directly and then spend the rest of her time explaining, Harris instead used that time to let voters know a little more about her - as the media and rightwingers have been demanding.

I don't know why intelligent people are so hopped up about stupid questions that answer themselves if one takes 30 seconds to analyze. Politicians change their positions on issues due to multiple reasons, but one chief reason for changing is to place themselves where their constituents are on the issues. Politicians (outside of Trump) shouldn't be running to only project their own pre-formed determinations on issues, they should always transition to where their constituency and voters are on an issue if that position doesn't conflict with the candidate's established values.

To me, it would take even Kamala Harris more time than she's allotted in this debate to explain the nuances involved in changing positions and how she justifies that change with detailed reasoning for said change. A time limited debate isn't the place for this to happen, and quite frankly, it's almost 100% certain that she will give answers to those questions multiple times during upcoming interviews and town halls where time is not at such a premium.

The ultra-short answer to 'why the change(?)' is simply this: I changed my positions because where I am now is where the voters in my coalition need me to be in order to best serve the nation's immediate needs. She changed on fracking because clean energy production - at present - is not enough in and of itself to completely abandon the domestic extraction of fossil fuels, and our reality is this: The OPEC oil cartel is an ongoing threat to the prosperity of the United States. And with America producing record amounts of oil - mainly due to fracking - trying to shut the industry down right now would not only give more power and leverage to Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Venezuela among other oil exporting nations, it would be antithetical to shutter thousands of good paying jobs in America and weaken our defensive postures with allied countries as well as driving inflation higher during a time we're focused on lowering it.

As with most rational Democrats understanding the threat of climate change, the future has to be one where fossil fuel use is obsoleted. But today is not the time to fight that battle because doing so would do immediate harm to American families, something no president wanna-be should support.

#50 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 05:15 PM | Reply

Post #32

The best post and most accurate post on this thread

#51 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-09-11 05:35 PM | Reply

'Disaster': Lindsey Graham Leads Right-Wing Freak-Out Over Trump's Debate
www.thedailybeast.com

... For Lindsey Graham, there was only one word for Donald Trump's Tuesday night debate performance against Kamala Harris: "Disaster."

Trump was unprepared, and his debate team should be fired, Graham told Tim Miller, host of The Bulwark Podcast. ...


#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-11 05:40 PM | Reply

#52

Wow... Et tu, Lindsey?

Looks like the Trump Bus is losing passengers right and... further right.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-11 05:44 PM | Reply

Interesting reaction to the debate by fmr Pres Trump's social media stock, DJT.
Down 10% today.
#48 | Posted by LampLighter

That must be the price Taylor Swift is paying in the markets. lol

#54 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-09-11 05:54 PM | Reply

Liberal Redneck - Honest Debate Reaction (From Trae and Two of the Most Honest Sources Anywhere)

www.youtube.com

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-11 05:58 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by eberly

What, no perverse ad hominem? You're losing your edge.

#56 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-09-11 06:36 PM | Reply

Sitz, she answered the "are you better off than you were four years ago" question by talking about Dotard's crashed economy, the woefully mismanaged pandemic, and the historic job loss, and how the Biden/Harris government fixed them. Nobody in a debate answers a yes/no question with one word, its a freaking debate!

Four years ago over 3000 Americans per day were dying, everyone was locked down or working from home, and we were using coffee filters as toilet paper, the answer is pretty simple EVERYBODY IS BETTER OFF THAN THEY WERE FOUR YEARS AGO!

Dotard claims he built the greatest economy in historh. Actually Barak Obama did that, he handed Orange Adolf an expanding economy that took longer to rescue from the Great Bush Recession than it should have thanks to the intransigence of the GQP who were more interested in making Obama a one-term-POTUS than in helping the country heal from trickle-on economics. Dotard's only two accomplishments while in the WH were shutting down the border thanks to COVID and the massive tax cut for the rich and corporations that actually caused my taxes to increase, and started another recession just as COVID hit.

#57 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-09-11 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I hope Harris prosecutes him tonight like nobody's ever seen.

Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-10 04:58 PM

This one aged so elegantly in less than 24 hours, it's the internet equivalent to a glass of Louis XXIII cognac.

#58 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 07:15 PM | Reply

Trump Learns About Taylor Swift's Endorsement

www.youtube.com

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-11 07:54 PM | Reply

"Just because I'd already made up my mind, doesn't mean I'm happy with non-answers and dodging responsibility for everything bad that happened instead of taking ownership."

You I wanna know why I am better off than I was four years ago?

Because Biden had an actual plan to recover from a global pandemic. And I had an actual plan for the financial future of my family.

Not a "concept of a plan".

#60 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-11 07:54 PM | Reply

"No one has ever so thoroughly dominated Donald Trump."

Oh yeah? Wait till Jack Smith gets hold of him.

#61 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-09-11 08:39 PM | Reply

He will really be upset when he loses the election, his second coup attempt fails and he gets sentenced for the 34 felonies (clearly some sort of confinement is on the table) just in time to stand trial for 3 other indictments (assuming Cannon gets overruled).

Will be wild!

#62 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-09-11 10:09 PM | Reply

Trump's already passing the tin cup around for loose change from his supporter. He might have to resort to free tarmacs and empty airport hangers for his rallies.

#63 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-09-11 11:50 PM | Reply

When even the Murdoch-owned New York Post runs a headline "KAMBUSHED," there is absolutely no doubt she cleaned his clock.

#64 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-12 03:16 AM | Reply

AU

"there is absolutely no doubt she cleaned his clock."

There is also no doubt Harris put the entire GOP into a tailspin.

Even some Republicans in Congress are starting to grow a pair.


#65 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-09-12 06:23 AM | Reply

his second coup attempt fails and he gets sentenced for the 34 felonies

#62 | Posted by chuffy

If there is a second coup, Trump needs to be hanged or shot---whatever is most appropriate for a former president.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-12 07:39 AM | Reply

If there is a second coup, Trump needs to be hanged or shot---whatever is most appropriate for a former president.

Frankly, I'd appreciate something along the lines of what happened at the hands of one of Trump's oft-mentioned heroes, Hannibal Lecter when he dispatched an equally despicable adversary in the movie Hannibal.

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 09:06 AM | Reply

As Trump's wingman, J.D. Vance is doing his best to distract viewers from Trump's disastrous debate performance. And again, he's falling flat on his face, spouting things that we know are lies.

Speaking of whom, I wonder if it has dawned on Vance yet that dictators have no use for a second banana.

#68 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-09-12 10:05 AM | Reply

Since February 2020: Average hourly earnings rose 22.3% while the Consumer Price Index climbed 20.8%

Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-11 02:23 PM | Reply

Well average hourly earnings is a useless metric.

10 people 9 earn $10,000 one earns $910,000. The average wage is $100,000.

Just like the minimum wage workers in Oklahoma....their wages have increase $0 since Obama. That is not a Biden fault. That is a republic*nt fault as they refuse to raise minimum wage because their policy is --- the poor.

Since 1979 the top 1% has enjoyed a wage growth of 138% while the bottom 90% grew 15%. It gets worse, middle class wages are only up 6% since 1979 and the bottom had wage drop of 5%.

#69 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-12 10:31 AM | Reply

Well average hourly earnings is a useless metric.

Not necessarily, if you use a large enough sample size, unlike your example based on only 10. If these numbers do represent the average of over 157 million American workers, then it's statistically certain that the average will be close to the mean because the vast majority of the sample's lower earning quintiles drag the earnings gap with the less numerous upper quintiles closer to an actually representative average.

On all the other stats, I fully agree.

#70 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 10:51 AM | Reply

MOSCOW: Vladimir Putin was "totally despondent" after witnessing someone other than himself control Donald J. Trump for ninety minutes, a Kremlin source said on Thursday.

"For years, President Putin has taken great pride in his ability to manipulate Trump like a silly, dancing marionette," the source said. "To see someone else do it, and so effortlessly, well, it was a bitter pill for him to swallow."

The morning after the extraordinary spectacle, Putin was "still baffled" as to how this person was able to dictate Trump's behavior with the simplest and most obvious of prompts, the source said.

"It was hard to watch," Putin reportedly said. "But she was right about me eating him for lunch. That was a good one."

#71 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-09-12 11:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

I don't know why intelligent people are so hopped up about

#50 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's your political point of view about it. I understand why she never takes responsibility for anything bad. Politicians have to politic and it is a strategy. Outside of politics, that behavior is a massive leadership failure.

It's almost like everybody running for office needs to go through a USMC boot camp to learn what taking responsibility for failures means.

#72 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-12 11:55 AM | Reply

Instead we got a bit about tax cuts. Why do we need these tax cuts? Isn't it great right now?

Avoiding the question and going straight to what you're doing to make things better is already an admission that it's not in fact better.

#73 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-12 11:57 AM | Reply

She trounced him on everything else. Only the environmentalists really can walk away feeling offended about her proud fracking record. They'll suck it up and vote for her anyways.

#74 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-12 11:57 AM | Reply

I understand why she never takes responsibility for anything bad. Politicians have to politic and it is a strategy. Outside of politics, that behavior is a massive leadership failure.

But you're not taking in the situation this criticism is based on. Harris' job in the debate was first to let the 67 million learn about who she is and what she stands for - as polling showed almost a 1/3rd of the electorate wanted. Tuesday was not a "usual" debate in any sense of the word. Harris has been in elected government for 21 years. Anyone wanting to know how she deals with leadership responsibilities will learn that she's very hard on herself and equally so to those she leans on to support her. But shirking responsibility for mistakes has not been her trademark.

And the larger point really is that this is not a policy election, it's a personality election as Tuesday clearly showed. Trump openly refuses to take responsibility for any and everything that happens if it's negative. He blames those under him for coming up with flawed plans, he doesn't blame himself for putting those plans into action. So your lack of demand towards Trump - who already has a list of failures while he was POTUS - doesn't ring as important to the masses as it is to you.

Tuesday night, Americans saw one candidate in full command of her thought processes and another candidate unable to finish a cogent thought, much less give a single detail of any policies other than utterances of superlatives if he was musing about his own imaginary accomplishments and complete derision or intentional misrepresentation of his opponents.

This election is about the two candidates and their fitness and ability to at least look and perform presidential duties as Americans have always expected. Harris is passing her first tests, and if Trump manages to gather some coherence, then Harris can and should shift to explaining her evolution on particular issues. Hint, a lot of it has to do with matching where the voters are that she needs to win. And another factor is how much the world and global dynamics have changed in the aftermath of the global pandemic. How much today is totally different from 2019? Why should anyone be eternally married to positions that no longer represent what the nation wants or needs in our immediate present?

#75 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can you inform me of a single question directed to Trump that he answered with depth and detail regarding anything but himself and his precious feelings spread across every single topic?

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-11 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:
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How about the big one? "People say they are better off 4 years ago then they are today." Trump: "That's correct." Harris: "When I was a little poor girl growing up, blah, blah, blah, what was the question?"

#76 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-09-12 02:02 PM | Reply

"People say they are better off 4 years ago then they are today." Trump: "That's correct."

Lewzer admitted people are better off now than when he was president? That doesn't sound like him. Being honest, and all.

#77 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-12 02:06 PM | Reply

#77

It's the opposite. Reread what you posted. I don't remember the sequence from the debate, but what you wrote is Trump confirming that he thinks people say they were better off 4 years ago than they are today.

Maybe you meant to juxtapose the prefacing quote.

#78 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 02:12 PM | Reply

#76

You too need to reread my question. Trump answering 'yes' to that question is not 'answer(ing) with depth and detail'.

#79 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 02:16 PM | Reply

Maybe you meant to juxtapose the prefacing quote.

No, I was confused by "People say they are better off 4 years ago" rather than "People say they were better off 4 years ago".

My bad.

#80 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-12 02:23 PM | Reply

I don't remember the sequence from the debate

I just went through the transcript. The question was: "When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?".

Neither one of them came close to saying yes or no. Many, many words, but not yes or no.

#81 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-12 02:31 PM | Reply

#81

That isn't what Fish wrote in #76 nor what you copied. It wasn't a question, it's a statement that he answered with an affirmative.

"People say they are better off 4 years ago then they are today." Trump: "That's correct."

That's why I questioned you. If you printed the accurate "question" in 81, then 76 and 77 are juxtaposed.

They are not the same as 81, they're opposite.

#82 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 02:39 PM | Reply

82

Sorry, I didn't see 80.

#83 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 02:40 PM | Reply

That isn't what Fish wrote in #76

It's possible what he posted was just made up?

Harris responded to the question with 330 words. Lewzer responded with 352. Neither actually answered the question.

#84 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-12 02:44 PM | Reply

Let's just agree, despite his use of quotes, fish wasn't actually quoting anything.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-12 02:50 PM | Reply

Let's just agree, despite his use of quotes, fish wasn't actually quoting anything.

Agreed.

#86 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-12 02:53 PM | Reply

As a public service, there is Lewzers actual answer to the question:

First of all, I have no sales tax. That's an incorrect statement. She knows that. We're doing tariffs on other countries. Other countries are going to finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that we've done for the world. And the tariff will be substantial in some cases. I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China. In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money, they can't. It would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do. They've taken in billions of dollars from China and other places. They've left the tariffs on. When I had it, I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation. Look, we've had a terrible economy because inflation has -- which is really known as a country buster. It breaks up countries. We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before. Probably the worst in our nation's history. We were at 21%. But that's being generous because many things are 50, 60, 70, and 80% higher than they were just a few years ago. This has been a disaster for people, for the middle class, but for every class. On top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums. And they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African Americans and Hispanics and also unions. Unions are going to be affected very soon. And you see what's happening. You see what's happening with towns throughout the United States. You look at Springfield, Ohio. You look at Aurora in Colorado. They are taking over the towns. They're taking over buildings. They're going in violently. These are the people that she and Biden let into our country. And they're destroying our country. They're dangerous. They're at the highest level of criminality. And we have to get them out. We have to get them out fast. I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country. I'll do it again and even better.
Anyone see a yes or now in there anywhere?

#87 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-12 02:56 PM | Reply

Next time I'll consider the source. But actually, I only saw Redial repost Fish's wrong post. That's why I started by saying that I didn't know if it was accurate, but if it was ... blah, blah, blah.

#88 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 03:42 PM | Reply

Interesting article:

In the spin room at the Harris-Trump debate, I witnessed the strangest moments of my political career

www.yahoo.com

Vance and Stephen Miller yelling at reporters ... Trump showing up in the spin room, which has never happened at a presidential debate between two candidates.

Stephen Miller and JD Vance are very weird. Can anyone imagine JD Vance sitting in the Oval Office after Trump has a stroke or whatever? *Gasp!*

#89 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-12 03:49 PM | Reply

And this (from the article I linked above):

In that gaggle occurred possibly one of the most stunning moments of the campaign " after defending his performance, Trump came face-to-face with New York City Councilman Yusef Salaam, none other than a member of the "Central Park Five" whom the former president called to be executed for crimes they were later exonerated of committing. Reporters asked Trump if he would apologize to Salaam. He did not, instead turning away laughing after quipping that Salaam was "on my side", which the bemused Salaam denied.

#90 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-12 03:50 PM | Reply

It's outrageous Trump carts a racist, conspiracy nut Laura Loomie around on his plane, and that she's a member of his inner circle.

And that Trump took Loomie - who says the U.S. government was behind 9/11 attacks - TO THE 9/11 COMMEMORATION CEREMONY!

*Shakes Head in disbelief*

#91 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-12 04:15 PM | Reply

Trump's post debate spin alternates between "I won" and "the debate was rigged," as if people won't wonder why he'd say it was rigged if he's also saying he won it. Is he saying it was rigged so he won it? Or does he not understand basic logic, that winning a rigged contest isn't really winning at all and it's not in his best interest to claim it is?

#92 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-12 05:09 PM | Reply

Or does he not understand basic logic,

That ship sailed long ago. Before when Trump did the same things, it was based on commandments taught to him by Roy Cohn which form the basis of the movie The Apprentice, iow, inside himself and his circles they knew he understood the difference between actual reality and the one Trump created towards his own ends, whatever that was in that moment.

Now, even to his financial backers, Trump shows no visceral understanding between what's real and what's not real. Whatever he puts into his mind informs all his beliefs and he does not waver from them. His current mental state is dangerous to this country without he being in the White House since many of his followers have no problem reacting to his deluded pleas by visiting threats and violence upon those his bigotry targets.

It's simply a matter of time before people are personally targeted for violent attacks due to Trump's delusional lies.

#93 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 05:23 PM | Reply

" It's simply a matter of time before people are personally targeted for violent attacks due to Trump's delusional lies.

#93 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2024-09-12 05:23 PM | FLAG: "

Like having a bullet graze someone's ear?

#94 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-12 05:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#94 | Posted by BellRinger

And a registered Republican at that!

#95 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-12 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Like having a bullet graze someone's ear?

#94 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Still not sure that happened, Buddy.

That ear, he be fine.

#96 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-12 06:34 PM | Reply

That ear, he be fine.

Funny he never "wove" the shooting into one of his rants at the debate.

Maybe because it was a registered Republican that shot in his direction.

#97 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-12 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The fake assassination display?

With the beautiful stripe of blood across his cheek that came from no where.

The "hit ear" with zero signs of damage?

Never has the nation cared less.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-12 07:04 PM | Reply

The Harris campaign just announced they've raised $47 million in the 24 hours after the debate started.

Hell yes she wants to do another debate. Frankly, it was more entertaining than most pay-per-views, and the average donation is likely less than a UFC Mega Fight and Trump Chump Dana White isn't getting a cut.

Kamala's a bargain!

#99 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 09:33 PM | Reply

Trump's Team Was Stunned by How Badly He Did in Debate

newrepublic.com

Jeffy gave him an A+!

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-12 10:36 PM | Reply

"They're eating the dogs and cats!"

#101 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-12 10:37 PM | Reply

#84

If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything.

#102 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-12 10:38 PM | Reply

#94. Jeffy. Faked photo op. Fat Donnie Fraud.

#103 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-12 10:39 PM | Reply

Jeffy gave him an A+!
#100 | Posted by Corky

Really?:

Karl Rove Taunts Trump for Losing Catastrophic Debate'

Republican strategist, Fox News contributor, and Wall Street Journal columnist Karl Rove kicked off his review of this week's presidential debate in the Journal with the following declaration: "Tuesday's debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump was a train wreck for him, far worse than anything Team Trump could have imagined."

He also submitted that there was "no contest" between how the two candidates carried themselves, writing that "Ms. Harris came across as calm, confident, strong and focused on the future. Mr. Trump came across as hot, angry, and fixated on the past, especially his own."

Although Rove posited that the debate may not sink Trump or buoy Harris as much as some have suggested it will, he concluded that "there's no putting lipstick on this pick."

"Mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as dumb as a rock,' he mused. "Which raises the question: What does that make him?"

www.mediaite.com

#104 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-12 10:49 PM | Reply

Jeffy gave him an A+!

Naw... he did admit Kamala was better, so A- at best. Lewzer gave himself an A+ like always.

#105 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-12 11:00 PM | Reply

" Jeffy gave him an A+!"

That's because he was behind Trump the whole time.

Slurping whatever came out.

#106 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-12 11:21 PM | Reply

Funny snark from our friends at Four Seasons Total Landscaping (of Rudy Colludy 2020 fame) per Trump's "concept of a new health insurance plan" remark.:

We'd like to announce that while we are not a hotel, we are a concept of a hotel.

- Four Seasons Total Landscaping (@TotalSeasons) September 11, 2024

Why TF wasn't Trump able to come up with his 'big beautiful plan' during the 4 years he was in office, including 2 years with a Republican-controlled Congress?

#107 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-12 11:47 PM | Reply

#99 | Posted by tonyroma

I just gladly made my third nice sized donation to her campaign

#108 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-12 11:49 PM | Reply

Tuesday night was literally Kamala Harris coming out in a ---------- outfit holding the end of Trump's leash as he's crawling on all-fours behind her wearing nothing but his adult incontinence diaper.

She drug him that badly. In front of the entire world. Called him a disgrace. Told him other world leaders LAUGH at him while she stared him down as he never looked over at her.

One commentator said this: Kamala Harris did the best job of telling the audience who he [Trump] is - more effectively than any other political opponent, either Democrat or Republican.

If only Nikki Haley had the stones, charisma, and dynamism of Kamala Harris maybe Trump could have been metaphorically smothered in his political crib back in 2016.

#109 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-12 11:51 PM | Reply

"Mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as 'dumb as a rock,' Karl Rove mused. "Which raises the question: What does that make him?"

How about it, Gracie....? Bellringer....? Visitor....? Robson....? Effete....? Fishpaw....? Oneiron....? Humtake....? Msgt....?

#110 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-13 12:02 AM | Reply

How about it

Their obvious comment will be: "It's hilarious that the Left loves Karl Rove".

#111 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-13 12:08 AM | Reply

111

So ridiculously true Redial.

#112 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-13 12:11 AM | Reply

" Why TF wasn't Trump able to come up with his 'big beautiful plan' during the 4 years he was in office ... "

The funniest part was when Trump said they'd have it soon, he'd had lots of meetings, and reporters quizzed the Congressional honchos, who said they had no idea what he was talking about.

Two weeks. Right after infrastructure week.

#113 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-13 12:20 AM | Reply

And the abortion split screen and her passionate soliloquy on women's bodily autonomy was master class. I don't care who're you're for, when you see these clips removed from the rest of the slogging debate, the impact is devastating. That is why your handwringing about the moderators is so meaningless. The fact checking clips won't be the story, his own scowl when confronted by a women emasculating him to his face will be.

The Harris campaign released this video ad today.

Here it is.

Calling this "devastating" might be too kind.

#114 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-13 12:28 AM | Reply

Whenever Trump loses it's someone else's fault, cheating, rigging, blah blah blah

#115 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-13 12:37 AM | Reply

When the polls fail to show your conclusions, what will you do then? Trump got in a lot of shots and those alleged lies turned out to be true by people on the ground in Ohio.

It's pretty funny that the moderators thought it was their job to jump in and debate for Harris, that made her look weak whether it was meant to or not.

#116 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-09-13 05:23 AM | Reply

It's pretty funny that the moderators thought it was their job to jump in and debate for Harris, that made her look weak whether it was meant to or not.

Those same moderators let Trump speak almost 6 minutes longer than Harris did during the 90 minute debate.

And you haven't heard a single peep from the Harris camp about this glaring disparity in Trump's favor. Wanna know why?

Trump lacked the intelligence and fortitude to take that benefit and use it positively. He squandered all that precious time he unjustly stole, trying to be the alpha bully he's always been towards the media and opponents. Instead, he was exposed as a weak beta ****, unable to even look at nor respond to the woman calling him a 'disgrace' and 'a laughing stock' to his face in front of the entire world!

Who's to blame for that?

Again, it's the already privileged - like Bullhead here - to complain that the advantages this man shouldn't receive simply aren't enough of a scales tipper to overcome the brilliance, talent and intelligence of a prepared and confident black woman, so they complain about the moderators instead of realizing the person they're defending simply got his head handed to him because he went for every piece of personalized-bait Harris delivered straight at his fragile id, which his lizard brain simply couldn't resist swallowing whole.

#117 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-13 07:22 AM | Reply

I don't blame Trump's handlers. I'm sure they tried. But so far, no one has been able to convince him that he's NOT the smartest person in the room. It was apparent to me that Trump entered that debate thinking he could just 'wing it.'

WOMP, womp (sad trombone)

#118 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-09-13 07:54 AM | Reply

Like having a bullet graze someone's ear?

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-12 05:42 PM | Reply

Dr Ronny Feelgood said Fat Nixon had a 2cm hole in his ear from the bullet.

A penny is slightly less than 2 cm.

Looks like nothing ever happened to him. No human regrows a 2 cm hole in an ear. Either he's a salamander or you're lying.

#119 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-13 09:05 AM | Reply

Then that so-called blood was just a packet of ketchup?

#120 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-09-13 09:25 AM | Reply

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