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Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she'd dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy. The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was "in progress," doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica. For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria. Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

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A Texas Woman Died After the Hospital Said It Would be a "Crime" to Intervene in Her Miscarriage

Dotard's massive body count adds another victim.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-30 09:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Republicans are scum

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

This is on Texas. Take it up with them.

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2024-10-30 09:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

"This is on Texas. Take it up with them."

#3 | Posted by boaz

Nope.

This is on Trump.

Own it.

#4 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 09:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 10

Which political party approves and enacts the laws in Texas?

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-10-30 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3 This is a direct result of sh*tlers abortion ban. Own it. He caused it. We can also blame the lying SCOTUS ---- that ALL TESTIFIED IN THEIR HEARINGS THAT ROE WAS SETTLED LAW.

Whose to blame here:

Trump
McConnell
Comey Barret
Alito
Thomas
Keggenaugh
Gorsuch
Roberts
Hotwheels
Texas
Heritage Foundation
Susan Collins

Anyone else?

This was predicted that this was going to happen and now it is.

There is a term for animals that cannot control their own bodies...livestock.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-30 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter

---- the GOP you ------- ghouls.

40 ------- HOURS.

#7 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-30 09:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Texas Woman Died After the Hospital Said It Would be a "Crime" to Intervene in Her Miscarriage"

This is exactly the kind of tragedy that Michelle Obama spoke about recently in Michagan:


If you and your partner are expecting a child, you will be right by her side at the checkup, terrified if her blood pressure is too high or if there's an issue with the placenta or if the ultrasound shows that the embryo was implanted in the wrong place and the doctors aren't sure that they can intervene to keep the woman you love safe. If your wife is shivering and bleeding on the operating room table during a routine delivery gone bad, her pressure dropping as she loses more and more blood or some unforeseen infection spreads and her doctors aren't sure if they can act, you will be the one praying that it's not too late. You will be the one pleading for somebody, anybody, to do something. And then there is the tragic but very real possibility that in the worst case scenario, you just might be the one holding flowers at the funeral. You might be the one left to raise your children alone.

See, these are just some of the ways women die during childbirth. And I don't want to be a downer, y'all. But in many cases, there is no warning and things go bad very quickly. And when it happens, every second of hesitation or delay can lead to devastating outcomes. So I am asking y'all from the core of my being to take our lives seriously. Please do not put our lives in the hands of politicians, mostly men who have no clue or do not care about what we as women are going through, who don't fully grasp the broad-reaching health implications that their misguided policies will have on our health outcomes.

singjupost.com

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-30 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Remember back when Obama had a super majority in the Senate and chose to do the crappy Obamacare instead of Legalizing abortion? Good times.

#9 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-30 10:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#9 | Posted by Bluewaffles

When Obama had a super majority in the Senate, Roe v. Wade was the law of the land.

Why was there the need to "legalize" abortion when it was already legal?

#10 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 10:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Remember back when Obama had a super majority in the Senate and chose to do the crappy Obamacare instead of Legalizing abortion? Good times.

#9 | Posted by Bluewaffles

This is an odd argument. Dems (and not republicans) should be criticized for not stopping republicans from committing atrocities?

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Look at ---------- trying to blame Obama for the woman snuffed out by the demented orange pedo.

#12 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-30 10:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How many women have to die before men like Bellringer take this issue and the desperation of real women seriously? From a thread the other day "Michelle Obama Pleads in MI: 'Take Our Lives Seriously':"

This reeks of desperation.
Hey, Michelle.
Your hubby tried the guilt ga,e and it fell flat. You're no5 going to fare any better.
#4 | Posted by BellRinger
drudge.com

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-30 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is on Texas. Take it up with them.

#3 | Posted by boaz a

Boaz hates Americans.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"How many women have to die before men like Bellringer take this issue and the desperation of real women seriously? "

Maybe the question isn't "how many women have to die" but "does it have to be a woman you love who dies" before men like BR start to take this issue serioulsy.

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-30 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Maybe the question isn't "how many women have to die" but "does it have to be a woman you love who dies" before men like BR start to take this issue serioulsy.

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Jeff is wealthy enough to mostly be able to fund an abortion.

Maybe a pregnancy emergency will hit someone he loves, who knows.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How many women have to die before men like Bellringer take this issue and the desperation of real women seriously? From a thread the other day "Michelle Obama Pleads in MI: 'Take Our Lives Seriously':"

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Just 1. His wife.

Other people suffering and dying is never an issue for Republicans until it affects them personally.

And while I hope that never happens to his wife because no one deserves that, it is the only way he and other Republicans would ever change their minds.

#17 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-30 10:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What? You guys had the opportunity to put it into law and you chose not to ...

#18 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-30 10:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

it was already a law for decades, you dope.

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No, the issue is with the states as it should be. Trump didnt ban anything.

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2024-10-30 10:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

You all realize this occurred over 3 years ago and before the SCOTUS reversed Roe, right?

"At the time of Barnica's miscarriage in 2021, the Supreme Court had not yet overturned the constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy. But Texas lawmakers, intent on being the first to enact a ban with teeth, had already passed a harsh civil law using a novel legal strategy that circumvented Roe v. Wade: It prohibited doctors from performing an abortion after six weeks by giving members of the public incentives to sue doctors for $10,000 judgments. The bounty also applied to anyone who "aided and abetted" an abortion."

This was over the fear of a $10K fine. No excuses for the Texas legislature because this stupid law generated this horrible environment but the comments here indicate some of you think this just happened.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 10:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The prochoice side often wonders - often with breathtaking naivety - why those opposed to abortion want to also cut back on the use of protection that can suppress said abortions. That is because abortion reduction is not the real point, lifestyle alternation is. Get that? That women will be injured and killed by unsafe outlaw abortions and by forced pregnancies is not a great concern of the birth forcers - those wayward women should have known better than to get pregnant out of wedlock in the first place, and if raped oh well, the growing soul inside them takes priority to its reproductive vessel who needs to understand their Godly prolife duty. If a woman who would have gotten a legal termination if she could because it is safer than not having one happens to die from what seemed like a normal pregnancy oh well that's too bad, it's God's Will anyhow, and if she was right with Christ she is in a better place so what is the big problem. The wastage of pregnant women is well worth the glorious aims of the prolifers."

Gregory S. Paul

#22 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2024-10-30 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why was there the need to "legalize" abortion when it was already legal?

#10 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 10:05 AM | Reply

Hans has never heard of Federalism and why it's important.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-30 10:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's deplorable how the medical profession has made the decision to withhold medically necessary and completely legal treatment to make political points.

#24 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-30 10:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

I have zero respect for any man who does not fully support women and their rights to reproductive care.

That put "state's rights" -------- ahead of the ability of any woman to get the care she needs.

Women are literally dying.

To quote for former First Lady, from someone who has gone through it:

"You will be the one pleading for somebody, anybody, to do something."

If you are a man with a mother, sister, daughter, niece, aunt, grandmother, do something. Support, PROTECT, the women you love.

Man the ---- up.

#25 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"You guys had the opportunity to put it into law and you chose not to ..."

#18 | Posted by Bluewaffles

It was law. A little thing known as stare decisis.

That every single Justice appointed by Bush (Sr & Jr) and Trump promised to honor

They lied.

#26 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

sitzkrieg has never heard of stare decisis and why it's important.

#27 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 10:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, the issue is with the states as it should be. Trump didnt ban anything.

#20 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Human rights are not a states issue. They are a constitutional issues.

When asked about it Trumpy replied ...

"You wouldn't be asking that question, even talking about the issue, because for 54 years they were trying to get Roe v Wade terminated, and I did it, and I'm proud to have done it," he said. "Nobody else was going to get that done but me, and we did it, and we did something that was a miracle."

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 10:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

It's deplorable how the medical profession has made the decision to withhold medically necessary and completely legal treatment to make political points.

#24 | Posted by visitor_

No, what is deplorable is ignorant --------- like you have any political power in this country.

reproductiverights.org

Read their ------- stories you --------.

LEARN that the Texas courts REFUSED to define when an abortion is allowed, understand that the Texas AG is threatening doctors with massive criminal charges.

You are a disease.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Amanda Zurawski, from Austin, lead plaintiff in the case, was denied abortion care after she experienced preterm pre-labor rupture of membranes (PPROM) at 18 weeks of pregnancy. She was seen at a Catholic hospital in Austin, where she was denied an abortion because her doctors could still detect fetal cardiac activity. Three days later, she showed signs of infection and was diagnosed with sepsis, a life-threatening condition. Although doctors then performed an emergency induction abortion, she spent the next three days in the ICU fighting for her life. She ultimately survived, but the infection caused one of her fallopian tubes to become permanently closed, compromising her future ability to have children. She has been forced to turn to in vitro fertilization (IVF) in attempt to start a family.

Lauren Miller, from Dallas, was hospitalized at eight weeks of pregnancy for severe nausea, vomiting, and dehydration, and was diagnosed with hyperemesis gravidarum"a condition posing significant risks to the patient and her pregnancy. She also learned at that time she was pregnant with twins. But at 12 weeks, Lauren learned that one of her twins had trisomy 18"a condition that causes multiple structural abnormalities and makes the fetus unlikely to survive to birth. Due to Texas's abortion bans, doctors denied Lauren a fetal reduction abortion procedure, despite it being necessary to give Lauren and the second fetus the best chance of survival. After being again hospitalized for hyperemesis gravidarum at 15 weeks, she traveled out of state to Colorado to obtain the fetal reduction abortion. Lauren has recovered and is expecting to give birth this month.

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"It's deplorable how the medical profession has made the decision to withhold medically necessary and completely legal treatment to make political points."

#24 | Posted by visitor_

That's by design...

...by the so-called "right-to-life" people who want medical professionals afraid to provide medically necessary treatment for fear of losing their medical license, or even go to prison.

Congratulations.

It is working.

Oh, and Happy Anniversary ! ! !

#31 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Lauren Hall, from outside of Dallas, discovered at 18 weeks pregnant that her fetus had anencephaly, a condition which prevents fetuses from developing a skull. Her fetus had no chance of survival and continuing the pregnancy posed severe risks to her, including hemorrhage and pre-term birth. Although Lauren wanted an abortion, her obstetrician refused to provide one or to help in any way. In addition, her medical specialist was afraid to give her a referral for an abortion out of state and refused to even send her medical records. Lauren was forced to travel out of state to obtain an abortion at a clinic outside of Seattle. She is now pregnant again, due in September but scared to be pregnant under the state's laws.

Republicans, the party who firmly believe that fetuses without skulls are more valuable than living breathing women

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Democrats should have known that the SC justices who spoke of Dobbs being settled law during their confirmation hearings were lying liars who were willing to lie under oath.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-30 10:46 AM | Reply

Anna Zargarian, from Austin, Texas, was 19 weeks pregnant when her water broke and she began cramping. In the emergency room, doctors told Anna there was no chance that her baby would survive and that based on her condition, she was at risk of infection, hemorrhage, and sepsis. Anna was told that she needed an abortion but could not get one in Texas and would need to leave the state. Anna decided to fly to Colorado for an abortion, despite her fear of going into labor on the way. While she still wants to have children, she is afraid to go through pregnancy again in Texas.

Republicans, the party who firmly believe that a fetus, stuck in a womb without fluid, is more valuable than a living breathing woman.

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have zero respect for any man who does not fully support women and their rights to reproductive care." -

#25 | Posted by truthhurts | Flag: Bravo, truthhurts, BRAVO

#35 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 10:48 AM | Reply

Kylie Beaton lives with her husband and their daughter in Fort Worth, Texas. Kylie was thrilled to learn she was pregnant with their second child, but at her 20-week scan, she discovered the baby had a condition, alobar holoprosencephaly, in which the brain does not develop normally and the head grows abnormally quickly. After learning the baby would barely survive past birth, Kylie considered traveling to New Mexico for abortion care. But the baby's head was already measuring at close to 24 weeks"a size past the gestational cutoff for the New Mexico clinic"and Kylie had no choice but to continue the pregnancy. At Kylie's 28-week ultrasound appointment, she begged to be induced before the baby's head grew too large to deliver vaginally, but her doctors refused due to Texas's abortion bans. After rushing to the hospital with abdominal pain at 35 weeks, Kylie was finally sent for an emergency Cesarean, and her baby died four days after he was born. Kylie said that having to go through the birth and death of her son made losing him much harder, and she fears for her health, safety, and ability to get pregnant again in the future.

So very compassionate to force a creature to suffer 4 days of excruciating pain before it's inevitable dying.

Republicans, the party that firmly believes that fetuses with heads literally shaped like Stewie Griffin are more valuable than living breathing women.

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jessica Bernardo, from Frisco, Texas, was thrilled to discover she was pregnant after two years of fertility challenges. Upon learning at 14 weeks that their baby likely had Down syndrome, she and her husband began researching how to support children with disabilities. But Jessica soon learned that her daughter had several other severe medical conditions, including fetal anasarca, and would not survive to birth"and continuing the pregnancy put her at risk of developing a potentially fatal condition. Her doctor contacted the hospital ethics committee for an exclusion, but the request was denied. Using what felt to her like coded language, Jessica told her doctor that they had a residence in Colorado and asked if they should go there; her doctor told her yes. After finding that the clinics in Colorado were all booked, Jessica was eventually able to get an appointment for an abortion in Seattle, where she was the third patient from Texas that week alone. Jessica describes this experience as the worst trauma of her life. She is terrified to get pregnant naturally again in Texas and has decided to start IVF.

Republicans, the party that really, really wants to traumatize women.

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Samantha Casiano, who lives in East Texas with her partner and their children, learned at her 20-week scan that her baby had anencephaly and would not survive. She asked her doctor what her options were"but since she lacked the time, finances, and resources to travel out of state, she was told she had none but to continue with the pregnancy. As the months wore on, Samantha found it excruciating to have people constantly congratulating her, and she worried relentlessly about how she would afford a funeral for her daughter. Though the baby was born breech (positioned backwards), which usually necessitates a Cesarean section, Samantha was not given the option to have the procedure; she noted the hypocrisy of treating her daughter like a healthy baby only while she was in utero. Her daughter died four hours after birth, and, after a simple funeral, Samantha resolved to tell her story publicly in the hope that others would not have to go through the same experience. She wished she had been able to put her daughter to rest earlier, since she was going to have to rest either way.

Republicans, the party that insists on treating a fetus like a healthy baby (despite all evidence) ONLY while in utero. It's almost like they value an unviable fetus more than a living, breathing woman.

#38 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

twoothy is getting after it.........

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 10:54 AM | Reply

Taylor Edwards, from Austin, learned at 17 weeks pregnant that her daughter had a fatal condition called encephalocele and would die at or before birth. Continuing the pregnancy posed risks to Taylor as well. After a second opinion confirmed the diagnosis, Taylor decided to travel to New Mexico to have an abortion, despite the daunting logistics and expense. Her doctors in Texas told her that if her condition had occurred a year and a half earlier, they could have offered her the care she needed, but not anymore. Three hours before her flight was scheduled to leave, the New Mexico clinic canceled Taylor's appointment due to a shortage of medication needed for the procedure. Taylor searched for other appointments in New Mexico, but none were available. She soon started vomiting daily, struggling both physically and emotionally, and she was terrified that she would be too far along for an abortion by the time she found an appointment. Taylor was eventually able to obtain an abortion at a Colorado clinic, though she returned to Texas feeling she was back at square one with IVF. Taylor and her husband still want a child, but she fears being pregnant again in Texas.

Republicans, the party that loves women being terrified of getting pregnant.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kiersten Hogan, of the Dallas-Fort Worth area, was surprised but excited to learn she was pregnant. When her boyfriend became violent and insisted she get an abortion, Kiersten left him and moved to Texas. There, several instances of cramping and bleeding sent her to the emergency room, but doctors repeatedly assured her that everything looked normal. Then, just weeks after Texas abortion ban S.B. 8 took effect, her water broke. Hospital staff told Kiersten that if her cervical insufficiency had been diagnosed earlier, she could have had a procedure to prevent this; now, it was too late. She was forced to stay in the hospital against her will, where religious counselors repeatedly came to visit her and staff told her that if she tried to leave, it could be used as evidence that she was trying to kill her baby. Four days later, Kiersten delivered her son stillborn. She says being detained against her will made her feel like a criminal during the biggest medical emergency of her life.

Republicans, the party that kidnaps women and subjects them to religious indoctrination and threats.

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lauren Van Vleet and her husband were delighted to learn she was pregnant. But a severe snow and ice storm delayed Lauren's 20-week scan by two weeks, and at the rescheduled scan, the couple learned that their son had anencephaly and would not survive. Lauren's doctor told her that due to Texas' laws, there was nothing she could do but wait for the baby's heart to stop beating or carry the pregnancy to term. She would have to go out of state if she wanted an abortion. Lauren was 23 weeks pregnant when she began searching for appointments and was concerned she'd be unable to obtain an abortion at this stage. She was terrified of legal liability and avoided texting anyone about her plans. Luckily, family members in Maryland were able to provide logistical and financial support, and Lauren received an abortion there at 24 weeks. She has spent the last several months trying to heal; while she still wants children, she is afraid to be pregnant again in Texas.

Republicans, the party that forces women to spend more time, effort, money and subjects themselves to more danger to obtain necessary medical care.

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Elizabeth Weller, of Kingwood, Texas, had a relatively smooth pregnancy at first. She opted not to do any genetic testing: Elizabeth herself was born with a physical disability, brachial plexus Erb's palsy, and she knew she would want to continue the pregnancy regardless. At 19 weeks, however, Elizabeth's water broke. Though her baby would not be able to survive and continuing the pregnancy meant risking her fertility and her life, hospital staff refused to perform an abortion because Elizabeth had already been prescribed antibiotics, saying she had put herself in a "legal gray area" by attempting to fend off infection. Her options were to stop taking the antibiotics and stay in the hospital, or go home, monitor herself for signs of worsening infection, and wait for her baby to die inside her. After she was diagnosed with chorioamnionitus, an infection of the placenta and the amniotic fluid, a medical board finally approved an abortion for her. Elizabeth said her experience made her feel like she was being punished by the state of Texas for failing to carry a wanted pregnancy to term. While she and her husband still want children, they are traumatized by the experience and afraid of the serious risks associated with being pregnant in Texas.

Republicans-the party that punishes women for failing (because they had to save their own lives) to carry a wanted pregnancy to term.

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kristen Anaya, of the Dallas-Fort Worth area, was 16 weeks pregnant when her water broke. At the hospital, she lost more amniotic fluid, spiked a fever, and began having rigors, or uncontrollable shaking"symptoms that she would later learn were early signs of sepsis. Kristen's doctor told her that her pregnancy could not continue without amniotic fluid, but since her daughter still had a heartbeat, the hospital would not provide abortion care unless her life was in danger. Over the next 22 hours, Kristen's fever climbed higher, and she shook and vomited constantly. After presenting Kristen's case to hospital administration several times, her doctor was finally able to obtain permission for her to receive an abortion. Immediately after the procedure, Kristen's fever subsided and the vomiting stopped. She recovered from the septic infection after five days in the hospital. Kristen and her husband still want to have children but fear for her safety if she gets pregnant again. They've started IVF treatments and believe they've found a surrogate who can carry for them"but the surrogate also lives in Texas. Kristen decided to join this case after realizing that so many other Texans shared her experience.

Republicans, the party that forces women to suffer life threatening situations, to protect an unviable fetus.

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kaitlyn Kash, of Austin, pregnant with her second child, discovered after her 13-week ultrasound that her baby had severe skeletal dysplasia"a condition affecting bone and cartilage growth"and the baby was unlikely to survive until birth or would suffocate soon after being born. When Kaitlyn asked what option would ensure the least amount of suffering for her baby, the MFM recommended she seek "a second opinion, but outside Texas." Kaitlyn was able to obtain abortion care after traveling to a clinic in Kansas, where protestors harassed her and other patients. After becoming pregnant a few months later, Kaitlyn miscarried at seven weeks. Her doctor prescribed medication to help her pass the pregnancy, but because the drug is also used for medication abortion, she struggled to find a pharmacy to fill the prescription. After another miscarriage without medical intervention, Kaitlyn became pregnant and gave birth to a daughter in 2023. After the birth, she needed a dilation and curettage (D&C) procedure to remove remaining placental tissue, but the hospital had difficulty locating the equipment and staff for the procedure. While waiting, Kaitlyn's condition deteriorated, and after vomiting, losing blood, and losing consciousness, she was transferred to the ICU, where she was later told she was lucky she hadn't lost her uterus. Kaitlyn still struggles to understand why the hospital had so much trouble providing her with routine postpartum care.

Republicans, the party that actively keeps necessary medicine from women, has stripped it's medical system of necessary medical equipment and nearly kills women, to save the residue of miscarriages and placental tissue.

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

D. Aylen, of San Antonio, discovered at about 17 weeks into her pregnancy that her baby had a possible neural tube defect, such as anencephaly or spina bifida. At her 19-week anatomy scan, an MFM specialist confirmed the diagnosis of anencephaly. Hoping to prevent more suffering for herself and her baby, D. called out-of-state abortion clinics"most of which had four- to eight-week wait times"and eventually was able to obtain abortion care in San Diego. Losing her child and being forced to travel to California to obtain health care was one of the worst moments of D.'s life. She is glad to be pregnant again but continues to be plagued by fear and receives sonograms every three weeks. D. decided to join this case to honor her baby's memory and make sure that no other family has to go through what she endured.

Republicans, the party that thinks nothing of putting residents of ----------- states at risk, as women have to flee the -------- state to receive basic medical care.

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 11:05 AM | Reply

Kimberly Manzano, of the Dallas-Fort Worth area, discovered she was pregnant again after a miscarriage a few months earlier. But an ultrasound at 10 weeks revealed that some of the baby's organs were growing outside the body. The MFM specialist was concerned that Kimberly's health was at risk and suggested she obtain an abortion out of state. After an MRI scan revealed that the baby's spine, genitalia, kidney, bladder and abdominal wall had not developed properly, the MFM specialist told Kimberly and her husband, "If it was my baby, I would want him to be with God now." Devout Christians, Kimberly and her husband had always considered themselves to be anti-abortion, but it became clear to them that abortion was their only option. Their baby had little or no chance of survival, and if Kimberly continued the pregnancy, she'd be at risk of infection since the baby had no bladder and urine was circulating in her uterus. When Kimberly was 18 weeks pregnant, she was traveled out of state to obtain an abortion in New Mexico. Kimberly and her husband consider losing their baby to be the most challenging thing they have been through. Disgusted that people are made to feel like criminals for making such sacrifices, Kimberly believes it is not her place to judge someone else's decision about their pregnancy. She decided to join this case in hopes that her baby's story can make a change and so that no woman has to flee Texas to obtain necessary medical treatment.

Republicans, the party that forces even devout Christians to be made to feel like criminals for obtaining necessary medical care.

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 11:07 AM | Reply

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#48 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 11:08 AM | Reply

Dr. Danielle Mathisen, formerly of the Fort Worth area, is currently an obstetrician-gynecologist (OB-GYN) resident physician in Hawai'i. While still living in Texas, Dr. Mathisen learned she was pregnant. But at her 18-week anatomy scan, her doctor diagnosed her baby with several lethal fetal conditions"including a hole in the spine, only one kidney, and no formed brain structures"and said the baby was unlikely to survive or would slowly suffocate soon after birth. Dr. Mathisen's doctor"who is also her aunt"told her she couldn't help her and advised her to go on a "vacation" to Colorado. Dr. Mathisen was shocked that her own family member was unable to help her or even openly discuss abortion due to Texas's bans. Dr. Mathisen and her husband decided abortion was the right decision to prevent further suffering for their baby and themselves. With clinics in Colorado overflowing with Texans, Dr. Mathisen was able to obtain an abortion after traveling to New Mexico. Dr. Mathisen is pregnant again and resides in Hawai'i, where abortion is legal, but she does not feel safe when she visits her family in Texas. She decided to join this case to be a voice for people who can't share their abortion stories and to prevent other Texans from going through the same trauma.

Republicans-the party that values a fetus without a brain (perhaps they think the fetus will grow up to be a republican) over a living breathing woman.

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 11:09 AM | Reply

#32/#34/#36-#38/#40-#47 | Posted by truthhurts | Flag: VERY, VERY IMPORTANT READING

#50 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 11:09 AM | Reply

For those paying attention, stories like the above are why "abortion" care is necessary at all times of a pregnancy - beginning to end. Ectopic pregnancies can kill mothers early and non-viable fetuses can kill mothers up to and including after being birthed, where the fetus dies quickly ex-vitro. It isn't so that mothers can make 11th hour selective decisions to abort otherwise healthy fetuses, it's to indemnify doctors and healthcare providers from being charged with crimes by overzealous prosecutors, now looking to charge miscarriages and complicated pregnancies that threaten the mother's own health and well being - necessitating the need for abortive care - which occur after the state's legal abortion time limit has been exceeded as violations of the law.

#51 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-30 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Cristina Nuez, of El Paso, has several medical conditions"including diabetes, cardiovascular issues, and end-stage renal disease"and was advised by doctors to never become pregnant. When she discovered she was six weeks pregnant, Cristina consulted her OB-GYN, who reiterated that continuing the pregnancy would put her life, and her baby's life, at risk. Cristina asked for an abortion, and although her doctor promised to present her case to the hospital administration, she never heard back. She reached out to a New Mexico clinic and was told that because of her medical condition, she was not eligible for medication abortion, and she was too early in pregnancy to get a surgical abortion. Over the next few weeks, Cristina's health rapidly deteriorated, requiring an increase in her dialysis treatments. After her arm turned black due to blood clotting issues, and fearful she he was at risk of pulmonary embolism and losing her arm (Cristina is a trained nurse), she went to the emergency room. The hospital staff refused to provide her an abortion. After 11 days of waiting"and only after contacting an organization for legal support and translation services, since Cristina does not speak English"she finally received an abortion. She will never understand why she had to become so sick before receiving the medical care that saved her life.

Republicans-the party that refuses severely sick women from getting necessary healthcare.

#52 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"For those paying attention, stories like the above are why "abortion" care is necessary at all times of a pregnancy - beginning to end." -

#51 | Posted by TonyRoma | Flag: Tony is 100% correct! see also: The Absolute Truth About Abortion

#53 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 11:14 AM | Reply

These stories are the REALITY of abortion bans.

These women are not "-----" using abortion as birth control (though I, personally, have no problem with that).

These are women who face common problems with pregnancies.

These types of situations are happening every day across America.

And, again, the state's rights issue is complete and utter --------.

Even accepting all the -------- about stripping women of their rights, these laws force women in -------- states to travel to non--------- states for necessary care, thus preventing or interfering with the citizens of the non--------- states from getting the care they need.

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#54: Thank you, truthhurts

Thank you.

#55 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 11:16 AM | Reply

Congrats GOP, murderers (again)...

#56 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-10-30 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Very sad! Too bad she didn't have needed help from others and the system because there is always billions in money and help for Democrat sponsored illegals. Outrageously not for citizens.

#57 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-30 11:30 AM | Reply

-These stories are the REALITY of abortion bans.

True.

At least the thread caught up to the title. The attached article was from over 3 years ago. "Another woman in Texas died......over 3 years ago."

#58 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:39 AM | Reply

But it was --------, who can't read. He's not alone unfortunately.......

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:40 AM | Reply

#57 | Posted by robson at 2024-10-30 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag: A keen understanding, or something else?

#60 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 11:44 AM | Reply

---------, it was posted on Political Wire this morning. BTW, weren't you the --------- who said Roe wouldn't get overturned?

politicalwire.com

#61 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-30 11:55 AM | Reply

---------, it was posted on Political Wire this morning. BTW, weren't you the --------- who said Roe wouldn't get overturned?

politicalwire.com

#62 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-30 11:56 AM | Reply

You guys had the opportunity to put it into law and you chose not to ...

#18 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-30 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

They sure did and they did nothing. Now it's impossible for them to admit it never was law and being coddled by the SCOTUS was a bad idea. Even RBG tried to tell the democrats it was a terrible idea to handle it that way.

#63 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 11:59 AM | Reply

Exhibit A:

it was already a law for decades, you dope.

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag

#64 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:00 PM | Reply

Anyone who doesn't know the distinct difference between the legislative and judicial branches shouldn't be voting.

#65 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:01 PM | Reply

Anyone who doesn't know the distinct difference between the legislative and judicial branches shouldn't be voting.

#65 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Anyone that values a fetus without a brain (perhaps they think the fetus will grow up to be a republican) over a living breathing woman shouldnt vote

#66 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"it was posted on Political Wire this morning"

which removes you from the burden of actually reading it?

you must think so.....and that's one of the many reasons why you're a ------------- laughed at in perpetuity.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 12:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Wow...that was fast. someone's feelings hurt over poor --------?

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 12:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Anyone who doesn't know the distinct difference between the legislative and judicial branches shouldn't be voting.

#65 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2024-10-30 12:01 PM | FLAG:

Anyone that thinks 49 years of precedence doesnt matter shouldnt be voting. go take your horse paste to celebrate killing another woman.

#69 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anyone that thinks 49 years of precedence doesnt matter shouldnt be voting. go take your horse paste to celebrate killing another woman.

#69 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag

"precedence" means nothing in a nation of law and order guided by three separate and distinct branches of government.

And I'm pretty sure I know why the left ran with "precedence" and didn't introduce it to the legislative branch.

#70 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:25 PM | Reply

because the stupid democrats didnt believe 6 supreme court justices would lie about stare decisis.

#71 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

#70 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Isn't it time for you to change your underwear?

I'm just trying to be helpful.

You're welcome.

#72 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 12:29 PM | Reply

because the stupid democrats didnt believe 6 supreme court justices would lie about stare decisis.

#71 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Them "stupid democrats " did not and could not believe that republicans could be such heartless ghouls.

It does appear most have gotten their "believers" fixed now.

#73 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I thought it was pretty obvious once trump got his third scotus "justice" that roe was toast. why couldnt they figure that out?

#74 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anyone that values a fetus without a brain (perhaps they think the fetus will grow up to be a republican) over a living breathing woman shouldnt vote

#66 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

The problem is, you clowns read these ---- articles designed to get you all lathered up and its always the exception.. Not the 99.999%.. It's always some crazy, hyped up exception.

Personally I feel like abortion, up to a certain point in pregnancy. should be legal. I also think it should be the mother's right to choose in cases of rape. And no, a woman should be able to go get an abortion on the grounds of rape without identifying the rapist.

#75 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:34 PM | Reply

-=Them "stupid democrats " did not and could not believe that republicans could be such heartless ghouls.

You're giving that pass to them?

You've all taken turns spanking me for being so naive....and I'm just a nobody.

But elected democrats at the FEDERAL level?? You're gonna give them a pass?

"did not and could not believe....."?

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Personally I feel like abortion, up to a certain point in pregnancy. should be legal."

#75 | Posted by lfthndthrds | Flag: Helpful?

#77 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 12:37 PM | Reply

Isn't it time for you to change your underwear?

I'm just trying to be helpful.

You're welcome.

#72 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 12:29 PM | Reply

Is this your way of telling me you're tired of me ----------- you?

#78 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:38 PM | Reply

Imagine if no one let you have bodily autonomy lfthand. and you had to get your horse paste in a back alley. how about "mind your own business"?

#79 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:39 PM | Reply

How is this a "---- article"? A woman is dead because you and the people you vote for want to control things that arent your concern.

#80 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:40 PM | Reply

Imagine if no one let you have bodily autonomy lfthand. and you had to get your horse paste in a back alley. how about "mind your own business"?

#79 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you believe that someone who kills a pregnant woman should be charged with two murders?

#81 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Because the only thing that separates the two killings in one is wanted and the other isn't

#82 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Is this your way of telling me you're tired of me ----------- you? -

#78 | Posted by Posted by lfthndthrds

So-called ----------- is the forte of the right and "religious".

At least that's what your mom says.

You're welcome.

#83 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 12:43 PM | Reply

Do you believe that someone who kills a pregnant woman should be charged with two murders?

Nope.

Personhood begins at birth.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you believe that someone who kills a pregnant woman should be charged with two murders?

#81 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2024-10-30 12:42 PM | FLAG:

Do pregnant women count as two people on a census? figure it out.

#85 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you believe that someone who kills a pregnant woman should be charged with two murders?

#81 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2024-10-30 12:42 PM | FLAG:

A woman was arrested for murder for a miscarriage

#86 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A woman was arrested for murder for a miscarriage

#86 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag

Are you referencing the instance where the woman (late in term) took a handful of pills to kill her baby?

#87 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:49 PM | Reply

Lfthand needs a hobby that doesnt involve the uterus of strangers.

maybe golf?

#88 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Clownshack and Alex

So if I shot a pregnant woman (8 months preg.) in the stomach and baby died, she lived. what would like to se me charged with? just trying to clarify once more.

#89 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:52 PM | Reply

"Are you referencing the instance where the woman (late in term) took a handful of pills to kill her baby?" -

#87 | Posted by lfthndthrds

A woman's desperation: It is what women haters, like lfthndthrds and BILLJOHNSON, long for.

They dream about it and wake up in the morning in a tented position.

That's how much they hate women and love to see them in desperation.

#90 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 12:52 PM | Reply

if you shot a woman in the stomach and she lived you would be charged with attempted murder. once the judge discovered she was pregnant hed throw the book at you.

you only want a double murder law to undercut legal abortion. if you read this article and dont care about women dying, no one believes you care about a baby or a fetus either.

this is about control. mind your own business.

#91 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:55 PM | Reply

This happened BEFORE the decision that rightly reversed Roe.

#92 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-30 12:55 PM | Reply

its okay then. robson doesn't care about women.

#93 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:56 PM | Reply

if I shot a pregnant woman (8 months preg.) in the stomach and baby died, she lived. what would like to se me charged with?

The shooter would be charged with attempted murder of the pregnant woman and the death of the fetus.

#94 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 12:57 PM | Reply

visitor, not robson. apologies.

#95 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:57 PM | Reply

This happened BEFORE the decision that rightly reversed Roe.
#92 | Posted by visitor_

"At the time of Barnica's miscarriage in 2021, the Supreme Court had not yet overturned the constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy. But Texas lawmakers, intent on being the first to enact a ban with teeth, had already passed a harsh civil law using a novel legal strategy that circumvented Roe v. Wade: It prohibited doctors from performing an abortion after six weeks by giving members of the public incentives to sue doctors for $10,000 judgments. The bounty also applied to anyone who "aided and abetted" an abortion."

This was over the fear of a $10K fine. No excuses for the Texas legislature because this stupid law generated this horrible environment but the comments here indicate some of you think this just happened.

#21 | Posted by eberly

Texas read the writing on the wall.

#96 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-30 12:58 PM | Reply

you only want a double murder law to undercut legal abortion. if you read this article and dont care about women dying, no one believes you care about a baby or a fetus either.

this is about control. mind your own business.

#91 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not stating what I "want". I'm clarifying my suspicions that if the left were to have things their way all the way around, we'd be ------- living in "The Purge" IRL.

#97 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 12:59 PM | Reply

the left and right both had their way. it was a compromise called roe v wade. worked just fine.

now its chaos and women are dying because the far right is a bunch of busybody control freaks that want to force strangers to follow bronze age myths they dont even follow themselves. its absurd.

#98 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:04 PM | Reply

Funny listening leftist men on this site act like they care about women.

Your argument rings hollow as long as men are putting on dresses and taking women's sports spots all because they cant compete with their born gender.

#99 | Posted by boaz at 2024-10-30 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This happened BEFORE the decision that rightly reversed Roe.

#92 | Posted by visitor_ a

SB-8 you ------- ignorant moron

#100 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:10 PM | Reply

just move to another state, boaz. do you see how callous that sounds?

im glad you care about womens sports, though. your ticket sales are appreciated. lol. you dont care about womens sports, its an excuse to punch down on trans people.

#101 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:10 PM | Reply

Funny listening leftist men on this site act like they care about women.

Your argument rings hollow as long as men are putting on dresses and taking women's sports spots all because they cant compete with their born gender.

#99 | Posted by boaz

40 trans athletes, both trans male and trans female, of the 522,000 college athletes you misogynistic bore

#102 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If men cared about womens sports theyd fill arenas. they dont.

#103 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:11 PM | Reply

Aw, she's just another victim that Trumpers would have on their conscience if they had one.

Like Musk said about the coming Trump Economic Disaster for the middle class, this is only just the start of the American Oligarchs War on Americans.

They are perfectly willing to kill women in their Culture War to get the Cult behind them.

#104 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 01:12 PM | Reply

I'm clarifying my suspicions that if the left were to have things their way all the way around, we'd be ------- living in "The Purge" IRL.

#97 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Your suspicions.

Cause you're a moron.

#105 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:13 PM | Reply

now its chaos and women are dying because the far right is a bunch of busybody control freaks that want to force strangers to follow bronze age myths they dont even follow themselves. its absurd.

#98 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag

---------. Pure --------. At some point a baby can survive outside of the womb without going full term. People with a conscience have every right to speak about issues that go on within the society in which they live. And I'm not apologizing for that. But because I simply can't agree unfettered access to abortion 24/7, 365 in any/all situations, you choose to label me as some bronze age, religious zealot - and nothing is farther from the truth.

Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me.. I'm glad SCOTUS put a stop to it. Now states can figure it out with their local representatives in their state legislatures. And you have a right to vote for those who favor your views on the subject.

#106 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 01:14 PM | Reply

Boaz has NEVER expressed concern about trans men (people he thinks of as women), entering men's spaced.

Cause he hates trans people.

Because he is an -------

Probably hates himself over being attracted to Ru-Paul

#107 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" But because I simply can't agree unfettered access to abortion 24/7, 365 in any/all situations, "

we didnt have that. go read roe v wade and get back to me. you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

#108 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Your argument rings hollow as long as men are putting on dresses ... "

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

#109 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 01:17 PM | Reply

now its chaos and women are dying because the far right is a bunch of busybody control freaks that want to force strangers to follow bronze age myths they dont even follow themselves. its absurd.

#98 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag

---------. Pure --------. At some point a baby can survive outside of the womb without going full term. People with a conscience have every right to speak about issues that go on within the society in which they live. And I'm not apologizing for that. But because I simply can't agree unfettered access to abortion 24/7, 365 in any/all situations, you choose to label me as some bronze age, religious zealot - and nothing is farther from the truth.

Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me.. I'm glad SCOTUS put a stop to it. Now states can figure it out with their local representatives in their state legislatures. And you have a right to vote for those who favor your views on the subject.

#106 | Posted by lfthndthrds a

I posted figures the other day about abortions in MN that are likely representative of abortion nationwide.

Exactly 1 abortion occurred after 23 weeks.

1 abortion

of thousands

1 abortion after viability.

#110 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" you choose to label me as some bronze age, religious zealot"

i did no such thing, i rightly blamed the far right theocrats for killing roe v wade. that you thought i meant you is telling. then again, YOU VOTED FOR THEM so eat my ----.

#111 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:18 PM | Reply

"you choose to label me as some bronze age, religious zealot - and nothing is farther from the truth."

Justify preventing a woman from doing with her body what she chooses without referencing religion.

I'd like to see

#112 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me.."

#106 | Posted by lfthndthrds

So what?

#113 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 01:18 PM | Reply

Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me.. I'm glad SCOTUS put a stop to it. Now states can figure it out with their local representatives in their state legislatures. And you have a right to vote for those who favor your views on the subject.

#106 | Posted by lfthndthrds a

Republicans, the party that insists on treating a fetus like a healthy baby (despite all evidence) ONLY while in utero. It's almost like they value an unviable fetus more than a living, breathing woman.

#114 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:20 PM | Reply

Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me..

You are "disgusted" by the voices in your head?

Please

Seek head before you harm yourself or others.

Abortion is not used as a primary method of birth control in America. In fact, half of women who have abortions report using contraception in the month they became pregnant. This is because no method of contraception is 100% effective.

#115 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 01:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me..

You are "disgusted" by the voices in your head?

Please

Seek head before you harm yourself or others.

Abortion is not used as a primary method of birth control in America. In fact, half of women who have abortions report using contraception in the month they became pregnant. This is because no method of contraception is 100% effective.

#116 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 01:20 PM | Reply

"Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me.."

#106 | Posted by lfthndthrds

The government telling a woman what she can do with her body is disgusting to me.

#117 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:20 PM | Reply

"Seek head before you harm yourself or others."

This is my recommendation to anyone for pretty much everything

#118 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

" Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me.."

you're disgusting to me and i dont want a law banning you.

#119 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Re 116/115

Seek help. Though seeking some "head" might calm your arse down a bit.

#120 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 01:22 PM | Reply

" Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me.."

you're disgusting to me and i dont want a law banning you.

#119 | Posted by Alexandrite

Can we put it on the ballot?

#121 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:22 PM | Reply

lfthand fills a role. someone has to eat the ivermectin.

#122 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You built that, MAGAts.

#123 | Posted by anton at 2024-10-30 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

besides seabiscuit i mean.

#124 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control

More lies, same liar.

93 percent of abortions have been very responsibly had by women at 13 weeks at the most.... the rest being health issues.

And given the 15 week National Ban proposed by Republican, that means this whole debate is just another FARCE created by Republicans to divide and conquer the voters.

To keep their attention elsewhere while their pockets are being picked by real issues such as the Economy, where Musk now admits the middle class are in for a very bad beating.

#125 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Whose to blame here:

Trump
McConnell
Comey Barret
Alito
Thomas
Keggenaugh
Gorsuch
Roberts
Hotwheels
Texas
Heritage Foundation
Susan Collins

Anyone else?

#6 | Posted by Nixon

Anyone else?...

Yes!! Trump voters!

#126 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-10-30 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Democrats didn't take the abortion issue to the legislative branch because they were afraid they'd lose it all together.

They settled on a back door, handshake deal instead.

Prove me wrong.

#127 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 01:31 PM | Reply

Funny listening leftist men on this site act like they care about women.

Are you trolling or just stupid?

You vote for politicians who have stripped women of their rights.

You hate women.


Your argument rings hollow as long as men are putting on dresses and taking women's sports spots all because they cant compete with their born gender.
#99 | POSTED BY BOAZ

The only time misogynists, like Boaz, pretend to care about women is when they need to attack transgenders.

Bravo Boaz.

You're a fkkking idiot.

#128 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

re in Florida Desantis is illegally using millions of taxpayer dollars to run ad full of outright lies to try to defeat Amendment 4tprevent a majority of Floridians from restoring women's reproductive healthcare decisions to something that should be made by the woman inolved and her doctor and not the government. It is outrageous how dishonest the ads they are running really are but Ron Desantis lies about all sorts of things just like Donald Trump or his Boss Vladimir Putin.

#129 | Posted by danni at 2024-10-30 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They settled on a back door, handshake deal instead."

#127 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Roe v. Wade, decided in 1973, was a "back door, handshake deal"?

Can anyone explain that?

#130 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 01:34 PM | Reply

a 49 year old scotus ruling is the opposite of a "back door" its as front door as it gets. 6 "justices" lying about stare decisis to get in and kill roe is as back door as you can get. underhanded, unpopular weasel crap thats gonna cost you guys an election.

#131 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Reading LFT's mind would require Expert Brain Braille skilz.

#132 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 01:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

a 49 year old scotus ruling is the opposite of a "back door" its as front door as it gets. 6 "justices" lying about stare decisis to get in and kill roe is as back door as you can get. underhanded, unpopular weasel crap thats gonna cost you guys an election." -

#131 | Posted by Alexandrite

One of the best posts I've read recently.

Thank you, Alexandrite.

#133 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Way past time to turn the tables.

Oh, and Boaz is a ------- retarded little bitch.

#134 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-30 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

boaz. do you see how callous that sounds?

Doubtful.

you dont care about womens sports, its an excuse to punch down on trans people.
#101 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Without using Google, none of our resident transphobes could name a single athlete playing women's sports or what the team names are.

They just like attacking transgender people.

#135 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 01:47 PM | Reply

Reading LFT's mind would require Expert Brain Braille skilz.

#132 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you had half a brain you could read what RBG said about the subject. You and the lackeys following you around here have too much hype invested in this to admit to what really happened with Roe v Wade. The people pushing this nonsense took a short cut and it caved in on them. It's simple as that.

#136 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 01:50 PM | Reply

The Democrats didn't take the abortion issue to the legislative branch because it was a wedge issue used by both parties during campaign season to raise money and motivate voters.
#127 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

#137 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 01:51 PM | Reply

a SCOTUS ruling is a "short cut?"

You're a blithering idiot.

#138 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...a short cut ..." -

#136 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Just how is a SCOTUS decision in 1973 a "short cut"?

Can anyone explain that?

#139 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 01:52 PM | Reply

Without using Google, none of our resident transphobes could name a single athlete playing women's sports or what the team names are.

I couldn't either, because I will admit I don't actually care. I'm a football fan, but other sports don't really interest me beyond seeing a baseball game at Comerica Park with some friends.

#140 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:54 PM | Reply

- It's simple as that.

And yet you still haven't the first clue.

Roe was a short cut?

Ridiculous.

#141 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If men cared about womens sports theyd fill arenas. they dont.
#103 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

If women cared about women's sports they'd fill arenas too. But they don't.

Until Women's sports start generating the same profits as men's sports, they're not gonna be equal.

#142 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If women cared about women's sports they'd fill arenas too. But they don't.

Until Women's sports start generating the same profits as men's sports, they're not gonna be equal.

#142 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag

Exactly true. It's all about the ticket sales, and people DO NOT go to womens sports as much as they do mens sports. That's just a cold hard fact.

#143 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I couldn't either, because I will admit I don't actually care.

Same.

But, also, we don't pretend to care in order to bash the transgender community.

#144 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

1.6 % of people in the United States identify as non-binary or trans.

They're a minority and therefore an easy target for the party of demagoguery. I'm more concerned with the 47% ceiling Trump somehow enjoys as the worst person alive in the US.

#145 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 01:58 PM | Reply

you dont care about womens sports, its an excuse to punch down on trans people.

No, it's about what's right. I dont have to watch a female game to appreciate all women competing, not with the unfair advantage a trans has.

Even just the fact you people are trying to justify putting a man in woman's sports is sickening.

#146 | Posted by boaz at 2024-10-30 02:00 PM | Reply

"Even just the fact you people are trying to justify putting a man in woman's sports is sickening." -

#146 | Posted by boaz

Men in women's sports?

What's the matter, boaz, you don't like the competition?

Boaz..."thinks taking a --- in the street is 'freedom'."

#147 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 02:03 PM | Reply

Even just the fact you people are trying to justify putting a man in woman's sports is sickening.

Posted by boaz at 2024-10-30 02:00 PM | Reply

No one cares. The arenas are empty. You're not there either. It's just an excuse for you to bash 1.6% of the population for being "weird".

Not to be a dick, BUT...only 18% of heterosexual men have a foot fetish. Only 13% of the population is black, so I would imagine a hetero black guy with a foot fetish is a pretty low percentage.

Maybe we should punch down on YOU? Nah. Enjoy your day.

#148 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 02:03 PM | Reply

Oh, and Boaz is a ------- retarded little bitch.

#134 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

Oh, the safety your anonymous handle affords you because of the internet. You are lucky.

I surmise, you are a -----, scared to confront other men. About like a trans"woman" would do. Doesnt want the responsibility of being a real man. So you put on a dress, lipstick and parade around as the weaker sex.

You arent even worth talking to LegallyYourDead.

#149 | Posted by boaz at 2024-10-30 02:03 PM | Reply

BACK ON TOPIC: Is a woman dying over abortion because doctors are afraid of prison time "Right" boaz?

I don't think so.

#150 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

the weaker sex

Good luck getting a date with that talk.

#151 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 02:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

They let this woman die not because they were afraid of a fine. They let her die to make a political statement. Millions of babies die every year and not one peep.

#152 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-30 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They were afraid of jail time and losing their license.

It wasn't a "political statement" you idiot.

#153 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 02:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The penalty was at max a civil fine, no jail or license penalty. Her death was a sacrifice to make a political statement.

#154 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-30 02:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

They let this woman die because Republican legislation prevented them from saving her life.
#152 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You hate women and you vote for people who want them to die.

#155 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 02:13 PM | Reply

The doctors involved in Barnica's care at HCA Houston Healthcare Northwest did not respond to multiple requests for comment on her case. In a statement, HCA Healthcare said "our responsibility is to be in compliance with applicable state and federal laws and regulations" and said that physicians exercise their independent judgment. The company did not respond to a detailed list of questions about Barnica's care.

From the article you didn't read.

#156 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 02:15 PM | Reply

From the article you didn't read.
#156 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

I doubt any of our Deplorable Trumping MAGAt corespondents read anything.

They just post their ignorant opinions and expect to be taken seriously.

#157 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 02:17 PM | Reply

Is a woman dying over abortion because doctors are afraid of prison time "Right" boaz?

Makes me wonder where all the "to save the life of the mother" stipulations come in?

I wonder, were their live in danger?

#158 | Posted by boaz at 2024-10-30 02:18 PM | Reply

Her death was a sacrifice to make a political statement.

#154 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

That's exactly why you are garbage and called a Deplorable.

Your comments are garbage because you are a deplorable person.

And a liar. Millions of babies don't die every year from abortions or anything else. Though infant mortality IS apparently rising in America.

In 2022, more than 20,500 infants died in the United States, which is a 3% increase from 2021. This resulted in an infant mortality rate of 5.6 deaths per 1,000 live births, which is also a 3% increase from 2021.

#159 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 02:19 PM | Reply

Makes me wonder where all the "to save the life of the mother" stipulations come in?
I wonder, were their live in danger?
#158 | POSTED BY BOAZ

What are you pondering?

Since roe v wade has been struck down. More children are having babies and more women are dying from miscarriages.

What is there to consider?

You really are deplorable.

#160 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 02:23 PM | Reply

Weird that Harris doesn't feature the increase in infant mortality in her campaign ads. Killing babies is one of planks in the Democrat platform.

#161 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-30 02:23 PM | Reply

Pro-life is a misnomer. They're just anti-women's choice.

Trying - dozens of times! - to take away health insurance and protections for millions of people.

Republicans attempts to slash school lunch and child health care assistance - saying "we can't afford it!" while passing massive tax cuts for the wealthy.

We could go on and on and on about how hypocritical the pro-lifers are.

BTW, OBGYNs are fleeing TX as fast as they can.

#162 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-10-30 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Killing babies is one of planks in the Democrat platform.
#161 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2024-10-30 02:23 PM | FLAG: ignorant moron, believes the fetus to be a baby.

Despite Santorum taking his wife's miscarriage home for the kids to play with, a fetus isn't a baby.

I'd explain biology to you, but it's obviously a waste of time.

#163 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 02:29 PM | Reply

From the article you didn't read.

#156 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag

From the 3 year old article you skimmed over.

#164 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 02:39 PM | Reply

The government telling a woman what she can do with her body is disgusting to me.

#117 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag

Well, now you're going to have to write to your local representative about that. But if you had your choice in the matter (like everyone else in your camp) you'd just beat everyone into submission.

#165 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 02:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How many babies does it take to satisfy the matriarcal bloodlust of the Democrat Party?

#166 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-30 02:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Here's a question Republicans can't seem to answer correctly, "what is a baby?"

#167 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 02:53 PM | Reply

- babies

-------- lies.

SO, nothing new there.

#168 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 02:54 PM | Reply

From the 3 year old article you skimmed over.

#164 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 02:39 PM | Reply

I read it, thanks.

#169 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 02:59 PM | Reply

How many babies does it take to satisfy the matriarcal bloodlust of the Democrat Party?

#166 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-30 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oooh a blood libel! How original.

#170 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-30 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

not with the unfair advantage a trans has.

Even just the fact you people are trying to justify putting a man in woman's sports is sickening.

#146 | Posted by boaz

40 trans athletes of both genders

of 522,000 athletes

40

of

522,000

you sir are disgusting

#171 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 03:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Makes me wonder where all the "to save the life of the mother" stipulations come in?

I wonder, were their live in danger?

#158 | Posted by boaz

In America getting pregnant puts one's life in danger.

In -------- states, the problem is compounded.

#172 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I strongly suspect that if Boaz or Visiturd or --------------- pregnant daughter had a medical emergency while visiting Texas, they would have a completely different attitude.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, I have ZERO respect for ANY man that does not fully support a woman's right to reproductive freedom.

#173 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Again, if Boaz or Visiturd or --------------- pregnant daughter had a medical emergency while visiting Texas, they would have a completely different attitude.

They'd be pacing the hospital begging someone, anyone, to do something about it.

#174 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...the Democrat Party?"

#166 | Posted by visitor_

There is no such thing.

visitor_: Go ahead, tell them everything you know. It'll only take 10 seconds.

#175 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 03:23 PM | Reply

visitor_: He'd steal the straw from his mother's kennel.

#176 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 03:25 PM | Reply

"BTW, OBGYNs are fleeing TX as fast as they can." -

#162 | Posted by AmericanUnity

And what's fun about that is that OBGYNs generally have the wherewithal to actually move to a different state (other than Texas), and with their skillset, they would be welcomed most anywhere else.

#177 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I strongly suspect that if Boaz or Visiturd or --------------- pregnant daughter had a medical emergency while visiting Texas, they would have a completely different attitude.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, I have ZERO respect for ANY man that does not fully support a woman's right to reproductive freedom.

#173 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

| Newsworthy 1

Again, if Boaz or Visiturd or --------------- pregnant daughter had a medical emergency while visiting Texas, they would have a completely different attitude.

They'd be pacing the hospital begging someone, anyone, to do something about it.

#174 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:
| Newsworthy 1

I don't visit Texas, I live in Texas.

#178 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 03:42 PM | Reply

Fair enough

what would you do if a female loved one had a pregnancy related emergency that a. necessitated an abortion and b. was not permitted?

Oh wait no woman in their right mind would love someone like you.

#179 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I just cannot understand how any Republican with any honesty or intelligence cannot hold the GOP responsible for this innocent woman's needless death. It is sickening to read all the straw men they are throwing out there to avoid accepting their own culpability. This is the rank and file GOPs hypocrisy and evil, selfish logic at its very worst. I would prefer that this woman live and every one of these Republicans die in her place. Using rhetoric about States rights and other equivalent arguments is evill. It is exactly the same hyperbole racist slaveholders used to justify slavery.

#180 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-10-30 04:17 PM | Reply

How many babies does it take to satisfy the matriarcal bloodlust of the Democrat Party?

#166 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Not that many.

I usually only have two or three when I patronize Hillary Clinton's pizza parlor.

How many mothers will need to die to satisfy your bloodlust garbage man?

#181 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 04:17 PM | Reply

From the 3 year old article you skimmed over.

#164 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Republicans killed her 3 years ago. So in your garbage filled mind that makes it ok?

#182 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 04:20 PM | Reply

I just cannot understand how any Republican with any honesty or intelligence cannot hold the GOP responsible for this innocent woman's needless death.

Republicans have traded honesty and intelligence for a spot in Trump's cult.

#183 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 04:27 PM | Reply

-And no, a woman should be able to go get an abortion on the grounds of rape without identifying the rapist.

The problem with that is the criminality of rape.

Was it rape?

Can she identify the rapist?

Stepdad, girl with low IQ, special needs, etc....horrible horrible situations.

I can't support forcing a woman to identify a rapist as a condition for an abortion.

#184 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-Abortion was being used in this culture as birth control and it's disgusting to me..

It's going to land back there again. It's a ------ bumpy ride to get there and this thread subject is a good example of it but we'll eventually get to a place where abortion can be used as birth control up until a certain point.

It's the only real common ground on this issue.

#185 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 04:53 PM | Reply

Trump Abortion Ban?

The title is super weird. It's cringy. Drunkle cringy.

Trump implemented this???

#186 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-30 06:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Those brave practitioners kept their practice lucrative!

Doctors, nurses and an entire health"care" system left her exposed to bacterial infection with a partial birth.

Legally, a valid pre-birth pre-death, death.

Shareholders voted for this.

#187 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-10-30 06:18 PM | Reply

Trump implemented this???

#186 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No, the Supreme Court he hand picked implemented the ban.

Trump claims it.

So he owns it.

#188 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-30 06:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-No, the Supreme Court he hand picked implemented the ban.

This happened prior to the roe reversal

#189 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 06:54 PM | Reply

The problem with that is the criminality of rape.

Was it rape?

Can she identify the rapist?

Stepdad, girl with low IQ, special needs, etc....horrible horrible situations.

I can't support forcing a woman to identify a rapist as a condition for an abortion.

#184 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2024-10-30 04:45 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Fair enough, but can they be forced to give a description and file a police report at least? If there's a rapist running around seems like reporting it would be expected.

#190 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 06:55 PM | Reply

You realize you are incentivizing false accusations of rape, right?

------- stupid magats

#191 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 06:58 PM | Reply

I have zero respect for any man who does not fully support women and their rights to reproductive care.

I have zero respect for any man too stupid to realize that it may be them wandering a hospital begging someone, anyone to help their loved one to provide basic care.

#192 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 07:00 PM | Reply

I have zero respect for any man who does not fully support women and their rights to reproductive care.

I have zero respect for any man too stupid to realize that it may be them wandering a hospital begging someone, anyone to help their loved one to provide basic care.

#192 | Posted by truthhurts

This thread has renewed my faith in my fellow human beings.

To see such support of women, and to lay bare the hypocrisy of the women haters, is truly amazing.

Thank you, everyone. Thank you.

#StrongerTogether #Indivisible

#193 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 07:25 PM | Reply

I have zero respect for any man who does not fully support women and their rights to reproductive care.

I have zero respect for any man too stupid to realize that it may be them wandering a hospital begging someone, anyone to help their loved one to provide basic care.

#192 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

STFU. you're rabid. You should have had your account suspended and your isp blocked for doxing. You're not a serious poster. Go away and pretend you care about women somewhere else.

#194 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 07:29 PM | Reply

#192 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-10-30 07:00 PM | FLAG:

On second thought, you need to sit the F down and listen to this. My wife had to have an abortion. Not one of you keyboard warriors want to discuss the psychological damage it does to women. Much less women who didn't have to get an abortion except for the convenience. Yeah, there's a price to be paid for that ---- emotionally.

And before you start your ----, my wife had to have this procedure in Texas. The place you want to burn to the ground. So STFU and go find another random 3 year old article to ignite another ----storm. You clowns are peddling bs pure and simple. And I'm happy you have all 12 of your followers to listen to that ----.

#195 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 07:36 PM | Reply

When did she have it?

#196 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 07:41 PM | Reply

For the obtuse, Trump illegalized abortion care in much of the US

#197 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-10-30 07:42 PM | Reply

When did she have it?

#196 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2024-10-30 07:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Probably a few years before you had to get that gerbil surgically removed from your large intestine.

#198 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 07:47 PM | Reply

Keep chugging your ivermectin.

Hopefully you'll rid yourself of those parasites you got from consuming horse manure.

#199 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 07:54 PM | Reply

-you had to get that gerbil surgically removed from your large intestine.

Those rights are still intact, right?

Asking for a friend ... ..

#200 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 07:57 PM | Reply

Probably a few years before you had to get that gerbil surgically removed from your large intestine.

Aren't you cute regurgitating an urban legend that was never true, just to insult me! You truly are a trumphumper!
Given when that stupid UL was going around your wife had it under Roe V Wade when it was still safe.
You knew that and you knew you trying to score points using your wife's abortion was a shhty thing to do - but you couldn't help yourself.

#201 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Republicans demand all living things come out of the body naturally.

You're gonna have to shht that chinchilla out like Mother Nature intended.

#202 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 08:00 PM | Reply

On second thought, you need to sit the F down and listen to this. My wife had to have an abortion. Not one of you keyboard warriors want to discuss the psychological damage it does to women. Much less women who didn't have to get an abortion except for the convenience. Yeah, there's a price to be paid for that ---- emotionally.

And before you start your ----, my wife had to have this procedure in Texas. The place you want to burn to the ground. So STFU and go find another random 3 year old article to ignite another ----storm. You clowns are peddling bs pure and simple. And I'm happy you have all 12 of your followers to listen to that ----.

#195 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You're dumb, you're REALLY dumb

HAD to have an abortion.

But it was still her choice, right? Assuming it was pre-SB8

It is simple, now it is NOT her choice.

Taking that choice away could cost her life. Don't you ------- get that?

OF COURSE THERE IS A EMOTIONAL COST YOU ------- IDIOT! THE POINT IS THAT IT IS NONE OF THE ------- GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS.

Every woman who has had an abortion either to save her life, to prevent harm due to a miscarriage, to give mercy to a unviable fetus, to allow her to take medications for her own health, to deal with the results of a rape or ------, because she is too young or just starting her life or already has more kids than she can deal with now goes through a harrowing experience.

FFS that is the very essence of the pro-choice position. That that woman, every ------- woman, should be helped through that process.

I am sincerely happy your wife had that choice to make and I hope she is able to heal from the trauma she experienced.

How on earth having a loved one go through that can justify denying that choice to other women LITERALLY boggles my mind.

#203 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

202 was clearly for Eberly's friend Beverly.

#204 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 08:01 PM | Reply

Aren't you cute regurgitating an urban legend that was never true, just to insult me!

The Richard Gere thing wasn't true?

I was in fourth grade when my friend's mom told us all about it.

In the 80s, that was considered responsible parenting.

#205 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 08:03 PM | Reply

Those rights are still intact, right?

Asking for a friend ... ..

#200 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2024-10-30 07:57 PM |

I sure AF hope so. Wouldn't want anyone to die from a bacterial infection after a gerbil made it half way to the hacienda.

#206 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 08:04 PM | Reply

BTW, I almost lost the mother of my children to a miscarriage. The details of the miscarriage are eerily similar to the stories coming out of the ---- hole states. That was one of the most traumatic events in MY life let alone what she experienced. A doctor coming to you and telling you your loved one's BP is around 40 or 10 is ------- terrifying. Fortunately, I live in a ----------- state and she was able to receive the care she needed. I could not imagine having to deal with doctors and a hospital uncertain or unable to provide the care she needed.

#207 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 08:04 PM | Reply

For the obtuse, Trump illegalized abortion care in much of the US

#197 | POSTED BY HAMBURGLAR AT 2024-10-30 07:42 PM | FLAG:

No such thing happened.

#208 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 08:07 PM | Reply

So STFU and go find another random 3 year old article to ignite another ---------.

You're too much of a magat scumbag to admit that this death resulted from fears at crossing SB-8.

#209 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 08:07 PM | Reply

For the obtuse, Trump illegalized abortion care in much of the US

#197 | POSTED BY HAMBURGLAR AT 2024-10-30 07:42 PM | FLAG:

No such thing happened.

#208 | Posted by lfthndthrds a

Liar

#210 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 08:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Look at Clownshack go. He's about to deliver a turd that needs to be breastfed by a partner who doesn't have mammary glands. But iVeRmEcTiN!!!!

#211 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 08:10 PM | Reply

Even dumbass JPW was smart enough to abandon this burning ship.

#212 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 08:11 PM | Reply

"No such thing happened." -

#208 | Posted by lfthndthrds

That's not what the doctor says.

We're all concerned for you, brother.

#213 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 08:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Even dumbass JPW was smart enough to abandon this burning ship.

#212 | Posted by lfthndthrds

-------------- is at the Mission Accomplished banner stage

#214 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-30 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Look at Clownshack go. He's about to deliver a turd
#211 | POSTED BY TURD

You better start calling me Daddy.

#215 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 08:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You better start calling me Daddy.

#215 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

The only daddy you knew beat your mom into submission. Rules: cover your face, don't make eye contact with males and for allah's sake do not pick up anything with girth and length. The only person your mom was safe around was an Asian who ate soy all his life.

#216 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 08:23 PM | Reply

"He's about to deliver a turd ..."

#211 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Deliver a turd?

Isn't that a day of celebration at the lfthndthrds family?

#217 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 08:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#216 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

I always take a little bit of extra pleasure when I cause you to break down and post stupid tirades.

Tirades, which, I never read.

But I do hope you find writing it to be cathartic.

I'm your muse.

Let your anger flow.

#218 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 08:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Let your anger flow.

#218 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2024-10-30 08:35 PM | REPLY

Not a bit of anger here. That's with you.

I'm just a simple guy who followed my dad and grandfather. Made some money and watching dumbasses like you for pure entertainment.

#219 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 08:45 PM | Reply

Thanks for that.

#220 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 08:46 PM | Reply

Whatever you say, I'm sure it's meaningful.

#221 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 08:51 PM | Reply

LOL!
Yeah - that was incoherent to me as well.

#222 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 08:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Whatever you say, I'm sure it's meaningful.

#221 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

We agree

#223 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 08:58 PM | Reply

LOL!
Yeah - that was incoherent to me as well.

#222 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 08:56 PM | Reply | Flag

Did you slip and fall?

#224 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 09:06 PM | Reply

LOL!
Yeah - that was incoherent to me as well.

#222 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 08:56 PM | Reply | Flag

Put the gerbil down. Things will begin to look up for you..

#225 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 09:08 PM | Reply

"Let your anger flow."

Whatever you say!!

-twoothy

#226 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 09:13 PM | Reply

You are obsessed with that "gerbil" thing.
You sound like every married "straight" man I've had sex with.
"I'm not gay" they say. I say "Yeah, I know." Then their legs are up before we hit the bed.
Which has always been just fine with me.
I understand wanting what your wife can't give you.
Not judging.
Just wondering.

#227 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 09:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You are hilarious

#228 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-30 09:23 PM | Reply

The better question is how many babies were saved from being murdered? I am betting it is more than the 1 woman that libs claimed to have died because of the ban that isn't even a ban.

#229 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-30 09:58 PM | Reply

-You sound like every married "straight" man I've had sex with.

You have sex with married men?

How many?

#230 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 10:08 PM | Reply

Don't fret Eb.... not as many as you!

#231 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 10:12 PM | Reply

"You sound like every married "straight" man I've had sex with.
#227 | Posted by YAV"

And this is why you are a piece of human garbage.

#232 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-30 10:14 PM | Reply

LOL!
Yeah - that was incoherent to me as well.
#222 | POSTED BY YAV

The guy is a moron.

As soon as he gets upset he starts posting about domestic abuse and -----------.

They seem like topics he's quite familiar with.

#233 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 10:17 PM | Reply

And this is why you are a piece of human garbage.
#232 | POSTED BY DEADNAME

Don't hit him with your best shot right out of the gate.

Work your way up to calling him garbage.

You've left yourself with no where to go.

#234 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 10:19 PM | Reply

And this is why you are a piece of human garbage.
#232 | Posted by deadman

And this is why you are not a comedian like Tony Hinchcliffe.

#235 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-30 10:19 PM | Reply

And this is why you are a piece of human garbage.

Awww. I feel just terrible! JUST KIDDING!

What does that make those married men?
Shall I name their professions? Their political affiliations?
Surely you've heard enough stories to know where that'd lead.

I like to think I've kept quite a few marriages together, thank you very much.

#236 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 10:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#235 - I laughed my --- off reading that, Gal!

#237 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 10:22 PM | Reply

-I feel just terrible! JUST KIDDING!

Gracie divorces her husband and she's a bad person.

I can only imagine if she'd admitted to ------- a bunch of married men.

How would you, clown, and corky and many others respond to an admission of screwing married men?

Do gay men get a pass?

#238 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 10:25 PM | Reply

I can only imagine if she'd admitted to ------- a bunch of married men.

Keep your ------ up imagination to yourself. You just made me throw up.

#239 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-10-30 10:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-I like to think I've kept quite a few marriages together, thank you very much.

Oh, this should be good.

Why don't we round up their wives and kids and have them thank you.

Any chance of that happening?

#240 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 10:30 PM | Reply

-Their political affiliations?

This is supposed to matter? The married guy is the only one who's doing something wrong because he's a republican?

The democrat who takes married men into his mouth should be thanked?

#241 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 10:32 PM | Reply

"And this is why you are not a comedian like Tony Hinchcliffe.
#235 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday"

Tony says thinking in a joking manner. I don't. That kind of behavior makes you a piece of human garbage.

#242 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-30 10:36 PM | Reply

Got quiet.

LOL

#243 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 10:42 PM | Reply

It's yav, the magical gay fairy that turns married white republican men gay with just his gaze.

GOPer ladies lock up your husbands!

#244 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-10-30 10:42 PM | Reply

I personally don't care about people's sex life, other than me and the wife.

gracie can ---- every dude in Florida and I wouldn't care. It might make a very unimpressive poster somewhat impressive.

#245 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-10-30 10:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's easy to not care if they keep their own business.

and nobody's perfect.

But bragging about such behavior? Running down the republican ---- you take into your body? Taking credit for saving marriages with those choices?

Is that how hard one works to justify such choices?

#246 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 10:48 PM | Reply

Headline: "DeadPedio Takes Out Death Contracts On Log Cabin Republicans!"

But like Trump, he won't pay the Contractors.

Trumpers hate anyone who doesn't look or act like them... well, except for Peter (Eater) Thiel, Shady JD's Owner.

And Leon Musketeer, who has at least as many wives as he has children.

Hypocrites, that what Trumpers are.

#247 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 10:50 PM | Reply

Eb, I'm a top.
Your fantasies are yours alone, bro.

#248 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 10:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trumpers hate anyone who doesn't look or act like them... well, except for Peter (Eater) Thiel, Shady JD's Owner.
#247 | Posted by Corky"

The fact that he takes in the ---------- is not what makes him human garbage. Having sex with random married guys is what makes him human garbage. I would say the same thing if he was a woman doing the same behavior.

#249 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-30 10:54 PM | Reply

Who said they were random?

#250 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 10:55 PM | Reply

certainly getting a lot of information on some poster's little inside fantasies tonight!

#251 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 10:56 PM | Reply

Who said they were random?
#250 | Posted by YAV

You beat me to it. I was going to post:

"Having sex with random married guys is what makes him human garbage."

Random?

#252 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-30 10:57 PM | Reply

-Your fantasies

You have to deflect with that?

Assigning a fantasy to me after admitting what you did?

No. No fantasies, Yav.

Your business is just that. It was your idea to out that behavior.

#253 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:01 PM | Reply

-Who said they were random?

What's the alternative?

#254 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:03 PM | Reply

-I'm a top.

I'm not googling that.

I guess I'll just have to "fantasize" it

LOL

#255 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:04 PM | Reply

Oh man - well this has been fun.
I have to hit the sack, though.
Y'all play nice!
Don't be garbage ;-)

#256 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-30 11:05 PM | Reply

-I would say the same thing if he was a woman doing the same behavior.

Or a married man, like Trump.

Geez ... ... look at all the outrage over his behavior.

To question or criticize such behavior ... .is that now being a prude?

I truly find trumps extra-marital affairs to be a horrible trait.

No respect for the institution of marriage.

#257 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:08 PM | Reply


Gracie divorces her husband and she's a bad person.

I can only imagine if she'd admitted to ------- a bunch of married men.

She wishes.

#258 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 11:12 PM | Reply

-well this has been fun."

I can't believe you admitted to that.

Seriously, nobody is perfect. We all fall short.

I'll let it go.

#259 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:12 PM | Reply

Um, Pedio, listen up now... what makes him garbage would be supporting a lying criminal traitor for President.

As you do.

In the bible, Jesus and Paul both tell us about not judging and condemning others... Paul just after describing all the sexual variations the Church in Rome saw, and telling them that they shouldn't participate, but neither should they condemn.

For, he said, the condemnation they used against others would likewise be used against then.

Not that moral teachings of any kind have any importance for Trumpers.

#260 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 11:16 PM | Reply

How would you, clown, and corky and many others respond to an admission of screwing married men?

Impossible to determine based on lack of information.

Do gay men get a pass?
#238 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Depends. But. For the most part. Yes.

#261 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 11:17 PM | Reply

... against them.

#262 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 11:17 PM | Reply

-In the bible, Jesus and Paul both tell us about not judging and condemning others...

Why do you post such nonsense?

none of that means anything to you

#263 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:22 PM | Reply

-Depends. But. For the most part. Yes.

Oh, well then okay.

I'm satisfied.

#264 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:23 PM | Reply

-Depends. But. For the most part. Yes.

What if he's ------- YOUR husband?

#265 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:25 PM | Reply

#263 |

I'm not judging and condemning others concerning their sexual choices; that was DeadHomer to whom I was retorting.

#266 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-30 11:29 PM | Reply

What if he's ------- YOUR husband?

He's not.

Trust me on this one.

#267 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-30 11:32 PM | Reply

You said enough, clown.

#268 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:35 PM | Reply

-I'm not judging and condemning others concerning their sexual choices;

Well, you won't judge Yav anyway.

But I'll remember you typed that.

#269 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-30 11:38 PM | Reply

All of you should feel dumber for participating in this conversation.

Between us girls, I think if the title had been "Texas Abortion Ban Kills Another Woman," the article would have been on the back page with a handful of posts.

#270 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 02:47 AM | Reply

All of you should feel dumber for participating in this conversation.

Between us girls, I think if the title had been "Texas Abortion Ban Kills Another Woman," the article would have been on the back page with a handful of posts.

#270 | Posted by madbomber

You apparently aren't aware that the SC specifically refused to overturn Texas law SB-8. You understand that, right? -------- Supreme Court could have stopped SB-8-the Texas fetal heartbeat law with bounties. You get that, right? You do understand that that is the law that prevented this woman from getting the basic and necessary healthcare resulting in her death.

This means that this death is attributable to -------.

Does that make sense to you?

Now that you have been informed, I expect you to NEVER speak this nonsense again.

#271 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 07:23 AM | Reply

And here, I bring the receipts

www.scotusblog.com

Court leaves Texas' six-week abortion ban in effect and narrows abortion providers' challenge

S.B. 8, which took effect on Sept. 1, bars doctors from performing abortions starting around the sixth week of pregnancy, except in cases of medical emergencies.

FTA that is this thread

Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she'd dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy.

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

#272 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 07:26 AM | Reply

So, here in the REAL world, -------- SC caused the death of this woman.

You see, YOUR posts are the one's making people dumber.

#273 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 07:27 AM | Reply

I predict you will run away instead of acknowledging your error.

#274 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 07:27 AM | Reply

#273 - exactly.

BTW, about last night?
I had consensual sex. I get called "piece of human garbage."
I get called this from Deadman - a poster that is in love with, admires, and defends Trump.
Trump.
"I just walk up and grab them by their -----!" Trump.
Trump - a convicted sexual molester.
Trump - a serial adulterer.
Trump - who rips off people through a fake charity.
Trump - who excoriates everyone that doesn't love him and support him as "garbage, scum" etc.
Trump - who bragged about being a peeping tom around teenager girls.
Trump - who is selling adulterated Bibles ("change one jot or tittle" - oops!)
Trump - who went bankrupt 6 (?) times.
Trump - who fleeced people in a fake "university".
Trump - who calls everyone that doesn't worship Him as God "garbage, scum"
Trump - who is threatening to lock up people that disagree with him, shut down the Press that isn't pro-Trump, etc.
Trump - who ripped children from their families - even babies not even a year old.
Trump - who says he's going to deport 10's of millions of people and/or lock them up...

You get the point? I could go on and on and on and on with that piece of human garbage, but the irony of Deadman getting so upset over *me* was just too damn funny (not to mention being a massive hypocrite).

Bringing it back to the topic:
Trump - and people supporting him like Deadman - have paved the way for more and more women like Josseli Barnica to die. For infant and maternal mortality rates to continue to rise (50% IIRC in Texas). Trump is killing people and is going to kill many more, but to people like Deadman, he's to be praised, not called a bad name.

#275 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 08:22 AM | Reply

#9 | Posted by Bluewaffles

When Obama had a super majority in the Senate, Roe v. Wade was the law of the land.

Why was there the need to "legalize" abortion when it was already legal?

#10 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-30 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Let's also not forget that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE JUSTICES THAT VOTED TO ALLOW THE STATES TO CREATE LAWS THAT KILLED THESE WOMEN TESTIFIED UNDER OATH THAT ROE WAS SETTLED PRECEDENT AND THE LAW OF THE LAND.

Their perjury should be grounds for their removal by impeachment.

Period.

#276 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-31 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Their perjury should be grounds for their removal by impeachment.

Agreed, and also won't happen with what we have in Congress these days.

#277 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 10:05 AM | Reply

No, the issue is with the states as it should be. Trump didnt ban anything.

Posted by boaz at 2024-10-30 10:32 AM | Reply | Funny 3

Take it up with the piece of trash that said this:

"After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the shock' of everyone,"

www.nbcnews.com

#278 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-31 11:48 AM | Reply

Republicans, the party who firmly believe that fetuses without skulls

That is the majority of their voters.

#279 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-31 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, the issue is with the states as it should be. Trump didnt ban anything.

Stupid beyond stupid. No one's rights should be subject to the STATE they live in. We had that before the Civil War. Some people are just so fccking stoopid.

#280 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump ban, really?

#281 | Posted by MSgt at 2024-10-31 01:07 PM | Reply

Yes. He put in three supreme court justices. Got it?

#282 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-31 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-I had consensual sex. I get called "piece of human garbage."

You confessed to having sex with married men.

THAT is why you were called human garbage.

You can't even be honest about it a day later. You insert the word "consensual" which nobody assumed otherwise and omit the word "married" which dramatically changes the context.

#283 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 01:13 PM | Reply

Yes. He put in three supreme court justices. Got it?

#282 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

You really think he knows what that means or that he can even count to three?

Me thinks you give the Orange Cheeto cultists way too much credit.

#284 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-31 01:20 PM | Reply

Funny listening leftist men on this site act like they care about women.

Your argument rings hollow as long as men are putting on dresses and taking women's sports spots all because they cant compete with their born gender.

#99 | Posted by boaz

"Live and let live" means we don't think about people choosing to be trans all the time like you do.

It's a near impossibility you didn't have a "Crying Game" encounter in your life that left you traumatized.

#285 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-10-31 02:33 PM | Reply

You confessed to having sex with married men.

Consensual. Am I supposed to apply your view of acceptable morality to me and to others to enforce your view of the world on them?
Are they not all adults? Do they not know their own situation? Are they unable to make decisions? Do they need me govern them? Do you know what their situation is? So you understand how it even came about? How well we may have known each other before?

You live in assumptions, acting as a moral scold. If you enjoy that, that's fine. Doesn't bother me. It's kind of quaint. I guess.

#286 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 02:48 PM | Reply

there is no Ban on Abortion. it is up to the States to decide by a Democratic Vote.

BTW, Dems have had the WH and both Congress and the Senate many times since Roe V Wade, why didn't they pass federal laws to allow abortions nationwide? same way with guns

because they want the issue to run on, they don't want to solve it

#287 | Posted by Maverick at 2024-10-31 03:21 PM | Reply

"BTW, Dems have had the WH and both Congress and the Senate many times since Roe V Wade, why didn't they pass federal laws to allow abortions nationwide?" -

#287 | Posted by Maverick

Why would there need to be a federal law when Roe v. Wade was the law of the land...

... until Dobbs.

#288 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-31 03:27 PM | Reply

286

Those questions are complete deflections.

99% of society considers your behavior to be reprehensible. Across all demographics. women, men, gay, straight, religious, non-religious, liberal, conservative.

Repeatedly have sex with married men....and then defending it?

You're right...it is a moral scold.

One everyone could ignore if you could have kept it to yourself.

Have I don't something in my life to generate a "moral scold"? absolutely.

But I can keep a secret.

#289 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 03:33 PM | Reply

have I done....

#290 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 03:33 PM | Reply

again, you're defending it....rather than expressing at least a little regret.

Which is the bigger issue, IMO.

#291 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 03:35 PM | Reply

"Awww. I feel just terrible! JUST KIDDING!"

-Yav, after admitting to repeatedly having sex with married men.

Is it your homosexuality that you believe gives you a pass for such behavior?

Or the married men's homosexuality?

You're a homewrecker. You can't see that?

#292 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 03:38 PM | Reply

"99% of society considers your behavior to be reprehensible. Across all demographics. women, men, gay, straight, religious, non-religious, liberal, conservative."

I don't think that's true. What percentage of married people have affairs? I don't know, but it isn't zero. Especially in Europe, for example, where I've always heard it is not uncommon for married men to have mistressesw.

#293 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-31 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How Many People Cheat on Their Significant Other in the United States?

There are surveys that have been conducted on infidelity in the United States. Approximately half of people in married relationships cheat at least one time during the course of the marriage. Close to three-quarters of men and more than two-thirds of women admit that they would sleep with someone else if it was guaranteed that they would never get caught. In addition, the majority of affairs start with close friends or co-workers. It is unusual for a one-night stand to be the cause of infidelity in a marriage. In addition, once an affair begins, it lasts an average of two years. Finally, if the affair is discovered, close to 2/3 of marriages will end immediately because of the affair.

Which Countries Have the Highest Rates of Infidelity?

There are several countries in which cheating is relatively common. Thailand is an outlier, but it is also at the top of the list. More than half of people in Thailand who are married admit to committing infidelity at least once during the course of the marriage. Then, infidelity is relatively common in Europe. In some situations, there might be relationships where people are allowed to sleep with other people outside of the marriage. In Denmark, close to 46 percent of people admit to sleeping with someone outside of the marriage. Germany and Italy are not far behind, where 45 percent of people who are married in both of these countries admit to committing infidelity. Belgium, Norway, and France also have infidelity rates that are 40 percent or higher.

Is Infidelity Always Seen as a Universal Wrong?

It may come as a surprise to some people that infidelity is not always seen as a universal wrong. There are some people who believe that sleeping with people outside of the marriage might be important for keeping things interesting or fun, or getting people to appreciate their partners a bit more. For example, less than half of people in France and Finland believe that cheating is always wrong. There are several other European countries that are not far behind these two. Therefore, it should come as no surprise that cheating is also more common in European countries when compared to other places across the globe. Different places look at infidelity in different ways, which contributes to different infidelity rates.

worldpopulationreview.com

#294 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-31 04:12 PM | Reply

"You apparently aren't aware that the SC specifically refused to overturn Texas law SB-8. You understand that, right?"

And?

The Supreme Court already ruled that abortion rights are a function of the state. So, it would be more apt and accurate to call this the "Texas" abortion ban. Perhaps you could blame SCOTUS, but objectively there is nothing in the constitution ensuring a federal right to abortion. Not that I'm aware of anyway.

In any case, I'm not sure where Trump fits in to this whole convo...

If abortion is so fundamentally important, why not create an amendment to the constitution? And even if you did, I'm not sure it would matter unless the federal government obligated to provide abortion services nationwide.

#295 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 04:36 PM | Reply

"I predict you will run away instead of acknowledging your error."

I predict you will continue to act hysterically.

#296 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 04:38 PM | Reply

"Why would there need to be a federal law when Roe v. Wade was the law of the land..."

If it is not in the constitution, it is subject to change. Even then it is subject to change...the bar for change is just higher.

#297 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 04:41 PM | Reply

-What percentage of married people have affairs?

You're asking the wrong question.

Its true but it doesn't mean people approve it.

One can acknowledge reprehensible behavior without being a hypocrite.

You're trying to defend Yav's behavior?

#298 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 04:42 PM | Reply

-I've always heard it is not uncommon for married men to have mistressesw.

Like Donald Trump? Boy, it's a good thing nobody hammers him for that.

It's not like I'm even passing judgement for the behavior.

It's the outright bragging about it without any semblance of regret or confidentiality.

Rather than "I've screwed a bunch of married men and I did nothing wrong" attitude.

Why would anybody defend such behavior?

#299 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 04:46 PM | Reply

Eberly, you're hysterical over two consenting adult's behavior.
Not one marriage was wrecked because of me.
That's just a silly, ignorant, and uninformed statement.
You sure have a lot of baggage on this for some reason.

#300 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 04:49 PM | Reply

All of you should feel dumber for participating in this conversation.

Between us girls, I think if the title had been "Texas Abortion Ban Kills Another Woman," the article would have been on the back page with a handful of posts.

#270 | Posted by madbomber

I knew you wouldn't be man enough to admit you were wrong.

Why did this woman die?

Because Texas put a fetal heartbeat law into effect.

Texas did this because they knew they now had 6 lying religious fanatics on the SC.

The SC REFUSED to overturn SB-8.

------- PROUDLY, touts that he put on the 3 lying religious fanatics on the SC who allowed for this abortion restriction.

These are facts.

This has been explained to you.

You refuse to acknowledge this reality.

You are not a man.

You're a bitch.

I have zero respect for any man who does not fully support women and their rights to reproductive care.

#301 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 04:52 PM | Reply

Yav, I'd let it go if you'd express some regret but you're too dug in to do that now.

Your pride is in full force and you can't do it.

You're not going to concede that even though it's the easiest course for you.

But let the pride win..........

-Not one marriage was wrecked because of me.

wow, 100% denial. deep down, you know you're lying....just to save face here.

#302 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 04:53 PM | Reply

301

you stupid dumb ------------. he's 100% right. If the title had been accurate then it wouldn't have generated anywhere near this much response.

But because EVERYONE, INCLUDING YOU, failed to read the article to determine when this actually happened.

I'm not going to argue the environment at the time when the Texas legislature passed this and why but it doesn't change what he said nor it's accuracy.

get over it.

#303 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 04:55 PM | Reply

Sorry Eb, you're out of your element.

There are closeted gay men who are married to women for whatever reason.

Getting a chance to be Yav'd probably helps them and their marriage a lot more than you realize.

Hell, BullJohnson is probably desperate for some Yav'ing.

#304 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 04:59 PM | Reply

-What percentage of married people have affairs?
You're asking the wrong question.
Its true but it doesn't mean people approve it.
One can acknowledge reprehensible behavior without being a hypocrite.
You're trying to defend Yav's behavior?
#298 | Posted by eberly

I included a paragraph in the article above that speaks to how people feel about infidelity:

Is Infidelity Always Seen as a Universal Wrong?

It may come as a surprise to some people that infidelity is not always seen as a universal wrong. There are some people who believe that sleeping with people outside of the marriage might be important for keeping things interesting or fun, or getting people to appreciate their partners a bit more. For example, less than half of people in France and Finland believe that cheating is always wrong. There are several other European countries that are not far behind these two. Therefore, it should come as no surprise that cheating is also more common in European countries when compared to other places across the globe. Different places look at infidelity in different ways, which contributes to different infidelity rates."

I'm not defending anyone. I was questioning if your assumption is true, turns out it isn't:

"99% of society considers your behavior to be reprehensible. Across all demographics. women, men, gay, straight, religious, non-religious, liberal, conservative."

#305 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-31 05:00 PM | Reply

Yav, I'd let it go if you'd express some regret but you're too dug in to do that now.

I have no regrets on this. None.
I know the details, reasons, and effects.

You have your assumptions.

#306 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 05:01 PM | Reply

"You apparently aren't aware that the SC specifically refused to overturn Texas law SB-8. You understand that, right?"

And?

The Supreme Court already ruled that abortion rights are a function of the state. So, it would be more apt and accurate to call this the "Texas" abortion ban. Perhaps you could blame SCOTUS, but objectively there is nothing in the constitution ensuring a federal right to abortion. Not that I'm aware of anyway.

In any case, I'm not sure where Trump fits in to this whole convo...

If abortion is so fundamentally important, why not create an amendment to the constitution? And even if you did, I'm not sure it would matter unless the federal government obligated to provide abortion services nationwide.

#295 | Posted by madbomber a

Christ you're ignorant.

The SC DID NOT already rule that abortion rights are a function of the state.

RvW was in effect since 1972.
In 2021 Texas enacted SB-8 in an attempt to push the issue to the SC
this woman died shortly after the law went into effect (September 2021).
later in 2021 the SC REFUSED to overturn the law.
in June 2022 Dobbs was issued overturning (in one of the few times the SC has actually stripped rights from citizens) sending issue back to states.

Second.

For 49 years it was decided that a right to an abortion WAS in the constitution.
There is a thing called stare decisis, basically courts rely on precedent.
49 years is a LONG time and the right to an abortion was REPEATEDLY upheld, thus ensuring that the right existed.
During each of the 6 lying fanatic justices' nomination hearing, each one lied saying they believed in stare decisis specifically in the area of abortion
They freaking lied, under oath
Stare Decisis should ONLY be ignored if the initial ruling is outrageously wrong-like the Dredd Scott decision.
Stare decisis is important because the law should be stable, not subject to the political whims of lying fanatics.
The legal basis for the Dobbs decision is blatant partisan -------- cherry picked nonsense, creating justification out of wholecloth including using the opinions of a 16th judge who believe in ------- witches.
Alito even writes that RvW was blatantly wrong-which he never said before. So, either he lied during his nomination OR he changed his mind over time. We are entitled to know when Alito had this come to jesus moment on RvW.

Ahhh you're too stupid to understand how stupid you are.

#307 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-You have your assumptions.

No, I have YOUR words.

305

I was narrowing my number to the US. Not Europe, or the North Pole. Is Yav trolling for married men in France?

But if 99% is overstating it....fine. pick your own number unless you can source one.

#308 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 05:04 PM | Reply

-I have no regrets on this. None.

Gotcha.

#309 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 05:06 PM | Reply

#307 - That is pretty much a perfect summation.

#310 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 05:07 PM | Reply

"I knew you wouldn't be man enough to admit you were wrong."

Because I wasn't. Period.

"The SC REFUSED to overturn SB-8."

On what grounds would they overturn something that was deemed a function of the state? Wouldn't they have been contradicting a ruling that they made just over two years ago?

"You refuse to acknowledge this reality."

Negative, Ghostrider. What they did was put it back to the states. Again, there is nothing in the constitution guaranteeing the right to an abortion. You seem to think there should be-I'd be OK with that as well-but until such time as it becomes an amendment, it's subject to relatively easy change. And there is nothing stopping from any state making abortion legal and capturing that right in their own state constitution.

#311 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:10 PM | Reply

"I have zero respect for any man who does not fully support women and their rights to reproductive care."

Yeah.

Tell me, at what point has abortion been legal for men?

#312 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:11 PM | Reply

"For 49 years it was decided that a right to an abortion WAS in the constitution."

Really?

Where?

I guess I missed that.

Are you equally fervent about the actual amendments? Like the 2nd amendment?

#313 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:13 PM | Reply

there is no Ban on Abortion. it is up to the States to decide by a Democratic Vote.

BTW, Dems have had the WH and both Congress and the Senate many times since Roe V Wade, why didn't they pass federal laws to allow abortions nationwide? same way with guns

because they want the issue to run on, they don't want to solve it

#287 | Posted by Maverick

Because your basic rights should not be up to political will.

You're too stupid to understand how damaging this decision is.

The Supreme Court of the United States overturned precedent and said YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY. Your body is no longer YOURS. Your body belongs to the state.

It starts with women being forced BY THE STATE, to carry unwanted fetuses, often at risk to their health and life, to term. Even if the woman was ------- impregnated against their will.

That is just the beginning.

This Supreme Court wants to take away
-same sex marriage (no longer have a right marry whom you choose)
-the use of contraception-you will no longer have the right to take medicine that you desire to choose when you get pregnant
---------- will no longer be able to use your body sexually as you choose.
--------------- will no longer be able to obtain, own and view pornographic material of consenting adults

Notably Thomas did not mention interracial marriage (which derives from the same right to privacy)-because the ------- is married to a white woman.

This means the SC can
-force you to take vaccines, even untried vaccines
-force you to participate in medical trials
-force sterilization on "undesirables"
-allow the state to inflict diseases on you without your knowledge.

You think these things are far-fetched? These are all actions that were done by the government and all had to be litigated in court to STOP.

------- IS TALKING ABOUT POISON IN THE NATIONAL BLOOD AND MURDERERS ARE GENETICALLY PREDISPOSED TO VIOLENCE.

You will soon be upset when they come after something you care about.

#314 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:13 PM | Reply

Tell me, at what point has abortion been legal for men?
#312 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I'm not too sure why anyone chooses to engage you in discussion.

You're one of our dumbest posters and you're not even trying to troll. Your just an idiot.

I knew TruthHurt's efforts would be wasted on a moron like you.

#315 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 05:15 PM | Reply

"For 49 years it was decided that a right to an abortion WAS in the constitution."

Really?

Where?

I guess I missed that.

Are you equally fervent about the actual amendments? Like the 2nd amendment?

#313 | Posted by madbomber

You don't seem to understand what a right is.

Women were allowed to obtain an abortion because RvW found that they had a right to it and states could not legislate against it. RvW enshrined that right.

Similar to the RIGHT for married couples to use contraception
Similar to the RIGHT for a white person to marry a black person
Similar to the RIGHT for a couple to perform sexual acts as they see fit
Similar to the RIGHT for two people of the same sex to marry.

All of those rights were enshrined in laws.

I don't believe I have to explain such basic ----.

#316 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:16 PM | Reply

-Getting a chance to be Yav'd probably helps them and their marriage a lot more than you realize.

That's just a way to excuse the behavior. Making those choices and then living with them.

Years ago we had some young cocky poster here who claimed to be a personal trainer and he bragged about screwing all kinds of married women.

Went on and on about it. Just like Yav, excused it all away. These women are being ignored by their husband, it's a free country, etc.

Clown, you can deflect this all day and night....but only you can know how you'd feel or react if your came home to find your husband in bed with Yav.

#317 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 05:17 PM | Reply

"but only you can know how you'd feel or react if your came home to find your husband in bed with Yav."

maybe I can change image up for you......not Yav. Let's use Bellringer. Your husband taking Bellringer's ---- in his throat.

#318 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 05:18 PM | Reply

Look at it another way.

the 3rd part of the 14th Amendment said an insurrectionist could not hold public office.

That was the law for 150 or so years.

This court interpreted that Amendment illogically to say an insurrectionist CAN hold public office

OR

Where in the Constitution does it say the President is immune from Prosecution?
That is a right that the president now has.

Jesus ------- christ schools fail us.

#319 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:19 PM | Reply

"During each of the 6 lying fanatic justices' nomination hearing, each one lied saying they believed in stare decisis specifically in the area of abortion They freaking lied, under oath"

Fanatical??? Have you listed to yourself? If you do a line tonight, you might not make it.

I am 100% of legal abortion, but that's just my opinion. Just like I think it should be up to the states to determine gun laws. However, my opinion is immaterial. Both of the topics I just addressed could be touched on through constitutional processes. Your issue seems to be that it would be too much trouble. That your beliefs count higher than the constitution. Sorry bro, you're not that important. None of us are.

#320 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:20 PM | Reply

"I have zero respect for any man who does not fully support women and their rights to reproductive care."

Yeah.

Tell me, at what point has abortion been legal for men?

#312 | Posted by madbomber

I have no idea what you are babbling about.

Hey, speaking of the equal protection clause. how come women no longer have the same rights as men?

Do you understand that in light of Dobbs? I suspect not.

#321 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:20 PM | Reply

Yav, I asked this earlier and if you responded to it I missed it.......

Is it your homosexuality that you believe gives you a pass for such behavior?

can you answer that? Clown suggested that it does give you a pass. Do you agree?

Being a homosexual gives you a pass for screwing someone who's married?

#322 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 05:21 PM | Reply

"Because your basic rights should not be up to political will."

Like the right to keep and bear arms, reference the 2A?

The right to free speech?

The right to peaceably assemble?

#323 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:22 PM | Reply

"I have no idea what you are babbling about."

As a male, if I get a girl knocked up, do I have the right to make her terminate that pregnancy?

Do I even have the right to terminate my connection to the child that results from that pregnancy?

#324 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:23 PM | Reply

"Hey, speaking of the equal protection clause. how come women no longer have the same rights as men?"

They actually have more rights.

A woman can legally terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

A man cannot.

#325 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:24 PM | Reply

Eberly, you're assuming I was promiscuous. That I didn't know the people that I ended up having physical relationships with (some once because they really just wanted to know, and others for decades). To this day I still talk to some of them. I even know some of their wives.

You have a peculiar black or white perspective you keep insisting on pushing on this discussion. Life isn't that way. There are sexless marriages. There are wives that are happy their husband has an outlet and that outlet won't be any competition.

America's views (though this is an AEI analysis):

Roughly two-thirds (66 percent) of Americans say that when a man has an affair it is always morally wrong. Fewer Americans (55 percent) say it is always morally wrong when a woman has an extramarital affair.

Interesting. What else?

Roughly equal numbers of Americans say it is always or often morally wrong for a young woman (33 percent) or a young man (35 percent) to have sex before getting married.

Always or "often"? What if you never get married? That's one stupid 1/3 of Americans. Same ones putting the numbers in the top line so high I bet.

And this is from the American Enterprise Institute (AEI)! LMAO!
www.americansurveycenter.org

#326 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 05:26 PM | Reply

"During each of the 6 lying fanatic justices' nomination hearing, each one lied saying they believed in stare decisis specifically in the area of abortion They freaking lied, under oath"

Fanatical??? Have you listed to yourself? If you do a line tonight, you might not make it.

I am 100% of legal abortion, but that's just my opinion. Just like I think it should be up to the states to determine gun laws. However, my opinion is immaterial. Both of the topics I just addressed could be touched on through constitutional processes. Your issue seems to be that it would be too much trouble. That your beliefs count higher than the constitution. Sorry bro, you're not that important. None of us are.

#320 | Posted by madbomber at

And I argue that you are not very educated, that you fail to understand how our government works.

1. Yes fanatical, they made up "law" based on nothing. They are legislating (radically) from the bench, originalism is whatever they want on a specific case, they are ignoring the constitutional requirements to reach conclusions, the big question doctrine is nonsense. They are reaching unpopular fringe decisions on cases. So yeah fanatics
2. Abortion and gun laws ARE "touched on through constitutional processes"-i.e. the courts. Let me explain something VERY BASIC to you. Your rights are not and should not be subject to legislative (i.e. politics) restraints. PRIVACY was a right up to June 2022. Because the radical court decided otherwise.
3. I am not claiming my beliefs count higher than the constitution, I am trying to educate you in basic civics. And apparently failing.

#327 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:27 PM | Reply

"Being a homosexual gives you a pass for screwing someone who's married?"

He's actually doing those wives a favor. Hopefully he is bragging about it.

I don't think many wives want to be married to dudes who were in to dudes.

#328 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:29 PM | Reply

Clown, you can deflect this all day and night....but only you can know how you'd feel or react if your came home to find your husband in bed with Yav.
#317 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Hopefully Yav is smarter than banging married men in the beds they share with their spouses.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Another option available to these closeted men is the divorce their wives.

Would that be a better alternative?

As for my husband. He knows if he wants to be with anyone else all he has to do is let me know.

He hasn't any interest in other men. He's very monogamous.

June 2025 will be 20 years since I first told him I love him and still to this day I wake up everyday grateful to have him in my life.

#329 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 05:30 PM | Reply

"And I argue that you are not very educated, that you fail to understand how our government works."

Really?

Would you like to compare professional experience and academic pedigree?

#330 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:30 PM | Reply

"1. Yes fanatical, they made up "law" based on nothing. They are legislating (radically) from the bench, originalism is whatever they want on a specific case, they are ignoring the constitutional requirements to reach conclusions, the big question doctrine is nonsense. They are reaching unpopular fringe decisions on cases. So yeah fanatics"

What law did they "make up?"

#331 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:31 PM | Reply

Let me explain something to you.

If there is no "right to privacy" there is NO LAW that congress can pass that this court is bound to recognize.

And will be thrown out.

You get that, right?

You see, Congress can only pass laws based on the powers they possess, which are essentially, taxation, interstate commerce and, thanks to the 14th Amendment, protecting your rights.

What power does Congress have to pass a law that this SC is bound to respect?

Keep in mind that this court found that the right to an abortion, i.e. the right to privacy-DOES NOT EXIST.

Therefore, Congress does not have the authority to tell states that they must allow abortions.

So, no matter what Congress would have done in the past under democratic leadership, or does in the future, since Congress has no authority, abortion cannot be protected at the federal level.

PLEASE TRY TO LEARN SOMETHING

#332 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:31 PM | Reply

"2. Abortion and gun laws ARE "touched on through constitutional processes"-i.e. the courts. Let me explain something VERY BASIC to you. Your rights are not and should not be subject to legislative (i.e. politics) restraints. PRIVACY was a right up to June 2022. Because the radical court decided otherwise."

No it wasn't. I had to fill out a form if I wanted to buy a gun. It had to be cleared by the ATF.

Oh, and there has never been a constitutional amendment protecting abortion. There is an amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms. It was actually the second amendment the drafters produced. So...we can agree that the right to keep and bear arms is fundamentally higher than the right to an abortion?

#333 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:34 PM | Reply

-Eberly, you're assuming I was promiscuous.

How isn't it promiscuous?

More layers of denial.

committed infidelity? LOL

#334 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 05:35 PM | Reply

"PLEASE TRY TO LEARN SOMETHING"

Do you wanna compare that academic pedigree and professional experience or not?

#335 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:36 PM | Reply

"Therefore, Congress does not have the authority to tell states that they must allow abortions."

They can. They did. SOCTUS determined that they lacked the authority under the constitution to do so.

So...what's the problem?

#336 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-31 05:37 PM | Reply

"1. Yes fanatical, they made up "law" based on nothing. They are legislating (radically) from the bench, originalism is whatever they want on a specific case, they are ignoring the constitutional requirements to reach conclusions, the big question doctrine is nonsense. They are reaching unpopular fringe decisions on cases. So yeah fanatics"

What law did they "make up?"

#331 | Posted by madbomber a

IDK, maybe dictating to Congress on how to spend? As in Congress delegated the authority to forgive student loans to the executive branch, but the SC overturned that action.

You do realize how courts work right. Courts ONLY have the authority to adjudicate disputes between plaintiffs.

Legislative-passes laws, Executive interprets and enforces law and the Courts decide conflicts between impacted parties.

They cannot decide cases that do not have conflicts. Full Stop

There was no plaintiff in the student loan forgiveness case. None. The entity they used as plaintiff=the Missouri agency that ran the program, denied they were part of the suit and in fact LOST money as a result of overturning the student loan forgiveness.

Thus, the SC had NO AUTHORITY to rule on the case-because there was no plaintiff and no conflict.

Thus the SC dictated to the Legislative Branch and Executive Branch how to spend money and interpret the law.

#337 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:37 PM | Reply

"And I argue that you are not very educated, that you fail to understand how our government works."

Really?

Would you like to compare professional experience and academic pedigree?

#330 | Posted by madbomber

Son, on this topic I am infinitely more informed than you are.

#338 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I was narrowing my number to the US. Not Europe, or the North Pole. Is Yav trolling for married men in France?
But if 99% is overstating it....fine. pick your own number unless you can source one.
#308 | Posted by eberly

when it comes to views of marital infidelity men and women have very different responses. Surveys have consistently found that most Americans find marital infidelity morally objectionable. Yet, American attitudes are more complex than they first appear. Public attitudes about the morality of infidelity are conditioned on whether it is committed by a man or a woman. Roughly two-thirds (66 percent) of Americans say that when a man has an affair it is always morally wrong. Fewer Americans (55 percent) say it is always morally wrong when a woman has an extramarital affair.

Both women and men exhibit a double standard in evaluating the morality of extramarital affairs, although this is somewhat larger among women. Seventy percent of women say that a married man who has an affair is always morally wrong, while fewer (56 percent) say the same when married women have relationships outside their marriage. Gender plays a more modest role among men in how they judge the morality of marital infidelity. Fifty-three percent of men say it is always morally wrong for a woman to have an affair, while 61 percent say same for men.

The extent to which women judge the behavior of married women and men varies significantly by race. There is a massive gap in the views of Hispanic men and women. Nearly three-quarters (73 percent) of Hispanic women believe that a man having an affair is always wrong, while slightly more than half (53 percent) of Hispanic men agree. Conversely, black women assess the morality of marital infidelity about equally whether it is committed by a man or woman (65% vs. 63 %)

Differences also emerge by educational attainment. No group of women is more forgiving of marital infidelity than those with post-graduate degrees. Less than half (45 percent) of women who have an advanced degree say it is always wrong when women commit adultery. In contrast, 61 percent of women with no more than a high school education say this is morally wrong regardless of the circumstances.

There is a notable age gap as well. Nearly three-quarters (73 percent) of young women say it is always morally wrong for a man to have an affair, while only about half (51 percent) say the same for a woman. The double standard among older women is not nearly as large. Sixty-nine percent of senior women say it always wrong for a married man to have an affair while six in ten say it is always wrong when a woman does.

These findings do not contradict previous research that has identified a double standard in how American society views women's sexuality, but they do suggest that our moral judgments are often conditional in ways we might not always predict.

www.americansurveycenter.org

#339 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-31 05:38 PM | Reply

-Another option available to these closeted men is the divorce their wives.

That's their problem, not Yav's. Yav is literally inserting himself into these marriages. Of course, I'm not excusing the married men.

-Hopefully Yav is smarter than banging married men in the beds they share with their spouses.

The local Super 8 makes it less than what it is?

These are the best excuses you can muster for this?

-June 2025 will be 20 years since I first told him I love him and still to this day I wake up everyday grateful to have him in my life.

It appears you value the committed monogamous relationship you have with him.

Yav doesn't.

#340 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 05:39 PM | Reply

Do you wanna compare that academic pedigree and professional experience or not?

#335 | Posted by madbomber a

You don't even understand the basics of how the courts work or how your rights are derived. PUUUHHHHLLLLEEEAAASSSEEEE

#341 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:40 PM | Reply

And this is from the American Enterprise Institute (AEI)! LMAO!
www.americansurveycenter.org
#326 | Posted by YAV

Oh, sorry, Yav. I didn't see you had already posted the same article I came across.

#342 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-31 05:41 PM | Reply

In that survey, Gal, 1/3 of Americans said it was always or almost always wrong for any unmarried person to have sex before marriage. I suppose those people are supposed to die as virgins. Also that survey is, as I recall, associated with the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) which I'm sure everyone is familiar. That makes those numbers even more likely to be "conservative."

#343 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 05:43 PM | Reply

"Therefore, Congress does not have the authority to tell states that they must allow abortions."

They can. They did. SOCTUS determined that they lacked the authority under the constitution to do so.

So...what's the problem?

#336 | Posted by madbomber a

What???

First, please post the specific language in the Constitution and Bill of Rights that would allow Congress to pass a law protecting abortion.

Please, I beg you post that language.

Second. Congress did not.

People sued a state to obtain an abortion. the court case-Roe vs Wade found that a right to obtain an abortion existed (based on the right to privacy between the woman and her physician on the medical practiced on her body).

Third. SCOTUS did not determine that. They found that the right to privacy did not exist vis a vis abortion (Thomas in his concurrence opened the door to overturning most of hte other rights derived from the right to privacy).

#344 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:43 PM | Reply

To make your life easier, here is Congress' power per the Constitution

Section 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the -------- of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;"And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

That's it, Oh and also the authority to tax

That's it.

Nothing about privacy

Where in there does it say Congress has the power to prevent states from denying specific medical procedures?

#345 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:46 PM | Reply

All good, Gal.

#346 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 05:47 PM | Reply

Now the 14th gave Congress some more power:

AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

You see there Congress shall have the power to legislate "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

That means no state can take basic rights away.

RvW said women have a right to an abortion.

Dobbs took that away

#347 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:49 PM | Reply

The local Super 8 makes it less than what it is?

I'm not too sure what "less than what it is" is implying.

Less egregious? Than banging in the bed they share with their spouse?

Yes. I would say so.

Yav is literally inserting himself into these marriages.

Yav is literally inserting himself into these men.

But, you have to assume these men sought Yav out. He doesn't know who is a closeted homosexual looking for some release.

I mean. Maybe he does. I won't speak for him.

Of course, I'm not excusing the married men.

Yav is like a special kind of marriage counselor.

He allows those men to really be who they are.

If anything. He's saving marriages.

Also. Why I'm not a fan of homosexual men pretending to be heterosexuals.

But that's a different topic.

#348 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 05:50 PM | Reply

Yav doesn't.

Did your wife have an affair, Eberly? Is that where all this is coming from? That would explain the sole placement of blame on me.
I'm not meaning to poke a nerve, but it sure would explain a lot of this obsession.

Would it have been easier for you to handle if it was with another woman? That you and your wife had talked about her curiosity about it before hand?

#349 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 05:51 PM | Reply

I'll admit I feel bad because Truth and Mad are going at it on topic and I'm taking this down another road.

I'll stop.

#350 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 05:51 PM | Reply

And where do the rights come from that Congress is protecting?

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

You see how it says "enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people"

that means we have rights that are not enumerated.

As in privacy.

Until Dobbs

So, I ask again.

What authority, specifically, does Congress have that will allow them to require states allow abortion that this court will recognize.

#351 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:51 PM | Reply

Oh and btw, Congress DOES have the power to regulate AGAINST abortion under the commerce clause, simply by not permitting the interstate commerce of material used to perform abortions, That power they have

#352 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:52 PM | Reply

Did you learn anything madbummer?

#353 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:52 PM | Reply

I'll admit I feel bad because Truth and Mad are going at it on topic and I'm taking this down another road.

I've been kinda chuckling about that myself.

I commend Truth for giving his best shot at having a discussion with MadBomber.

#354 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 05:53 PM | Reply


Did you learn anything madbummer?

#353 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Your posts have been spot on and solid.

No one comes to the DR to learn anything.

Especially not MadBomber.

#355 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 05:54 PM | Reply

I feel better spleening out stuff like this. It is incredibly frustrating to argue with people so willfully, proudly and stubbornly ignorant.

I try and try to educate people, I ask simple questions, and all I get in return is just ignorance.

No problem on the other topic, though it is off topic :O)

#356 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 05:57 PM | Reply

the worst of it though, is that now he will disappear and come back tomorrow with the same ignorance.

I don't think of him like jeff-a soulless lying troll

just proudly stubbornly ignorant

#357 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 06:02 PM | Reply

-Did your wife have an affair, Eberly?

I said I'll stop but we can resume this later.

No, I'm a very fortunate man. I can't promise you she hasn't but I have no reason to believe she has and I trust her.

that has nothing to do with this.

Perhaps I have a Leave it to Beaver mentality but I've always felt that homosexuals are unfairly tagged with the label of being promiscuous and reckless.

And I'm not shocked to learn of your behavior.

It's the smug defense for it with no regrets while at the same time, expecting me to not judge you. You're ------- BEGGING to be judged.

I get there are marriages where infidelity is permitted for the reasons stated earlier.

I just thought it should still be at least a little taboo.

#358 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 06:02 PM | Reply

Strongly agree with #355.

And with deflecting from the subject of this thread. And I had a post so ready that would have...

Oh hell. Why not. Here it goes. Especially after #358.

First, glad to hear that. Happy for you!

Some men tried so hard to be heterosexual for years because they were brought up believing and being told it was wrong to have sexual feelings for other men. Some men deny it over and over, have kids, believing that that will change them. It doesn't. Some slip out to the worst places, taking terrible risks, when the urge becomes too much. Then they deal with guilt -only guilt if they're lucky. Some are bi and have always known it. Some are just curious and it's a one time thing.

One of my absolute best friends was in that last category. It was once and only once and I didn't initiate it. That was nearly 40 years ago.

And yes, I have counseled and coached and talked guys off the ledge and I have saved marriages and two lives (that I know for sure). There's so much pressure to conform. To be a certain way. Expectations. It can be so difficult.

So no, Eberly, I have no regrets.
The opposite, in fact.

#359 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 06:10 PM | Reply

-But, you have to assume these men sought Yav out

Yav is bitching and moaning enough about my assumptions. You want me to assume more?

and what prohibits Yav from saying exactly what I say if given the opportunity to ---- a married woman?

"I don't screw married people."

Yav has zero self control? any guy wants to ---- and he says "yes" with no regard to their marital status?

marital status is meaningless to him?

You've clearly said it matters greatly to you.

Why does the gayness make you all believe you're entitled to make such choices?

They may be sexless marriages or whatever...but they're marriages. These people saw fit to get married in the first place.

They may have children, friends, an entire community. companies, organizations, etc...all of that can blow up over such behavior.

But if Yav needs a -------...then ---- all that, I guess.

---- their wives, their kids, their charities, passions, etc.......cause Yav ain't gonna be encumbered by any rules.

You know what I assume?

That some of these relationships have been a factor in why a marriage ended. And the end of that marriage came with some collateral damage.

And Yav lies to himself every day about his hand in all of it.

#360 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 06:12 PM | Reply

"I have saved marriages and two lives"

with extramarital sex? I don't think so

#361 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 06:15 PM | Reply

"I have counseled and coached and talked guys off the ledge"

I've helped plenty of women and men through tough times.

sexuality, drugs, alcohol, depression, etc.

It's not unique to homosexuals.....and not just men.

I've helped married women through such things.......all without having sex with them.

#362 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 06:17 PM | Reply

Not unique, true. But the subject was.

Also I've had one night stands where I didn't ask.

Also you analogizing ---- and hetero sex as the same is why you aren't getting this.

Just like how noble you make yourself out to be because you won't have sex with another woman that's married. Well that would be cheating, now wouldn't it - on both side.

All hail the Moral Eb!

#363 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 06:37 PM | Reply

-Also you analogizing ---- and hetero sex as the same

I am. Outside of marriage.

#364 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 06:55 PM | Reply

"Some men deny it over and over, have kids, believing that that will change them. It doesn't. Some slip out to the worst places, taking terrible risks, when the urge becomes too much. "

And you're NOT one of those terrible risks?

#365 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 07:01 PM | Reply

What's worse, married man cheats on wife with another woman, or cheats on his wife with another man?

#366 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 07:09 PM | Reply

Watch out, Bev... Clowny and Yav are trying to make you gay!

And by that I mean happy.

#367 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-31 07:17 PM | Reply

"I had consensual sex. I get called "piece of human garbage."
I get called this from Deadman
#275 | Posted by YAV"

Yes - you get called it because that is what you are. In fact, if you didn't know it to be true deep inside, you would not be offended by it. But, you know your behavior makes you a piece of human garbage.

Here is a hint for you if you are confused on if your behavior is human garbage behavior. Would you be embarrassed to tell your mother and rabbi (I assume you are Jewish here) about what you did?

If you would be, then know your behavior makes you human garbage.

#368 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-31 07:29 PM | Reply

" I am. Outside of marriage."

Aren't you overlooking a salient central issue? One of the pairs can't accidentally get pregnant.

#369 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-31 07:32 PM | Reply

" your behavior makes you a piece of human garbage"

Do Trump's multiple, serial infidelities make him a piece of human garbage as well?

#370 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-31 07:35 PM | Reply

Human garbage would be Trumper Trash who support a criminal traitor for President.

And I'm going to be shocked if your homophobic and Abusive #368 doesn't have you creating your dozenth sockpuppet.

May I suggest, BobDope?

#371 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-31 07:36 PM | Reply

"Do Trump's multiple, serial infidelities make him a piece of human garbage as well?
#370 | Posted by Danforth"

Whataboutism is always a winning debate tactic.

#372 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-31 07:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

deadbrain and eberly still talking about yavs sex life.

jfc

#373 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-31 07:53 PM | Reply

"#373 | Posted by Alexandrite"

Because he is a piece of human garbage and anyone doing that behavior should be branded as such. Meanwhile, you have been obsessed with Trump's sex life for going on 9 years.

#374 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-31 07:56 PM | Reply

366

Same

#375 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 07:59 PM | Reply

Meanwhile, you have been obsessed with Trump's sex life for going on 9 years.

Whataboutism is always a winning debate tactic.

#376 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-10-31 08:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

POSTED BY REDIAL

I really do enjoy reading your posts.

#377 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 08:01 PM | Reply

" Whataboutism is always a winning debate tactic."

In this case, it 100% exposes your double standard.

You're giving Trump a pass for the exact same thing you're condemning others.

Talk to both sides of your face, and come back with one answer. Is Yav blameless, or is Trump scum?

There is no third option.

#378 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-31 08:02 PM | Reply

It's a fair question:

Do Trump's multiple, serial infidelities make him a piece of human garbage as well?

#379 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-31 08:04 PM | Reply

Im "obsessed" with the hypocrisy of trump's evangelical base.

i could care less who trump screws when hes not raping someone.

#380 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-31 08:05 PM | Reply

"You're giving Trump a pass for the exact same thing you're condemning others.
#378 | Posted by Danforth"

Where am I giving him a pass? I don't consider Trump to be the next Jesus Christ. He is a deeply flawed person and I disagree with a lot of what he has done personally and even some of his policies. I support him because I agree with a vast majority of his policies and believe he is the only one capable of implementing them. Why is this so hard for Democrats to understand?

#381 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-31 08:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

373

No, YAV is talking about YAV's sex life

#382 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 08:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Do Trump's multiple, serial infidelities make him a piece of human garbage as well?

Yes

#383 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 08:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#381

Hilarious!

Non-billionaire BEGS to have to pay back the losses caused by tax cuts for billionaires.

Only on Planet Trump.

#384 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-31 08:14 PM | Reply

"Where am I giving him a pass?

The same place where you call Yav out.

"I don't consider Trump to be the next Jesus Christ."

Neither does Yav. But you won't condemn Trump in the same way, for clearly worse behavior. That's hack territory.

#385 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-31 08:14 PM | Reply

""Where am I giving him a pass?
The same place where you call Yav out.
#385 | Posted by Danforth"

Link to it. Never once I have ever given Trump a pass on having affairs. That is human garbage behavior.

#386 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-31 08:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

381

Very similar to the excuses and defenses made for voting for Bill Clinton despite his transgressions

#387 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 08:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"for clearly worse behavior. "

Extra marital Gay sex versus porn star sex?

Or all the other ---- he's done

#388 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-31 08:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Where am I giving him a pass? I don't consider Trump to be the next Jesus Christ. He is a deeply flawed person and I disagree with a lot of what he has done personally and even some of his policies. I support him because I agree with a vast majority of his policies and believe he is the only one capable of implementing them. Why is this so hard for Democrats to understand?

#381 | Posted by deadman

"policies"

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

tRump has no "policies"

dumbman lol

#389 | Posted by billy_boy at 2024-10-31 08:28 PM | Reply

"Very similar to the excuses and defenses made for voting for Bill Clinton despite his transgressions
#387 | Posted by eberly"

I voted for Bill Clinton twice, so, I am entirely consistent. If I was old enough, I would have voted for JFK as well.

Hell, the last truly decent person we had as a president was Jimmy Carter, and we all know how that turned out.

The modern presidency attracts people with personality disorders which often leads to sleeping with a ton of women. I don't vote for them because of that, I vote for them in spite of that.

#390 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-31 08:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"tRump has no "policies"
#389 | Posted by billy_boy"

If you honestly believed that, you would not be pissing your pants over him winning. You actually know exactly what Trump is going to do because we already had 4 years of it.

#391 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-31 08:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

tRump has no "policies"

True, but other people have policies all ready for him to put his idiotic signature on.

#392 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-10-31 08:35 PM | Reply

"Never once I have ever given Trump a pass on having affairs. "

Then let it fly; exactly how do you feel about Trump's serial adultery, particularly in light of your condemnation of Yav?

Trump is worse, right? Much worse, right?

#393 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-31 08:36 PM | Reply

"Trump is worse, right? Much worse, right?
#393 | Posted by Danforth"

Trump cheated on his wife, so wrecking 1 marriage and I would argue EVERY WOMAN that has a relationship with him knew 100% what they were getting into.

In Yav's case, he is breaking up other marriages and is proud of it. I don't see Trump bragging about his behavior. If anything, the Stormy case is proof that he is doing the opposite.

Neither of their behaviors are defensible and trying to put a degree on each is not worth my time.

#394 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-31 08:40 PM | Reply

Despite clear 'health of the mother' exceptions, doctors remain indecisive, afraid to diagnose and remedy. It's like they would rather have it as an issue than do their job and save people.

#395 | Posted by beavercleaver at 2024-10-31 08:50 PM | Reply

I have a friend who was married for about 15 years to a man who ended up moving out one day to live with another man. My friend was devastated and felt completely betrayed. It took her a number of years to get over that betrayal. My friend and her ex-husband had a child together, who is now grown up, and my friend and her ex regularly get together with their daughter to celebrate her birthday and holidays. My friend's mother "forgave" her ex, but her father never did.

Despite the fact that getting divorced was very traumatic for my friend, would it have been better if they had stayed married? I can't honestly say that it would have been. In a perfect world, perhaps they wouldn't have gotten married in the first place, but we don't live in a perfect world and none of us are perfect people.

#396 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-31 08:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

YAV is talking about YAV's sex life

Sounds like he's enjoying it.

Not sure it matters the specifics as long as he's happy and the sex is consensual.

#397 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 09:06 PM | Reply

But.

I have been enjoying reading this thread.

It's got a little of everything.

#398 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-31 09:07 PM | Reply

DeadPedio was a Bubba, JFK, and Jimmah fan?

One supposes that the Black Muslim non-citizen candidate Obama was a bridge too far.

That actually happened a lot... and the Trump white racists are still at it, because they haven't forgotten, either.

#399 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-31 09:12 PM | Reply

Despite clear 'health of the mother' exceptions, doctors remain indecisive, afraid to diagnose and remedy. It's like they would rather have it as an issue than do their job and save people.

#395 | Posted by beavercleaver

Hey look! Another ignorant --------

Do the world a favor and do not vote.

reproductiverights.org

Educate yourself dummy

#400 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-31 09:13 PM | Reply

PS I understood why my friend felt betrayed, but I never thought that her ex set out to hurt and betray her. He was raised in the Catholic Church and tried to be a good man as the church told him he should be, but he hurt and betrayed himself in the process.

#401 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-31 09:13 PM | Reply

If you honestly believed that, you would not be pissing your pants over him winning. You actually know exactly what Trump is going to do because we already had 4 years of it.

#391 | Posted by deadman

hmmmm..."checking shorts"

no piss here! maybe a little spunk from the ----- earlier :)

"him winning" you misspelled "whining".

You clowns are going to lose.

I'm sure there will be a few meal teem six half ass local terrorist attacks, but you clowns will be put down by any and all legal means.

Harris is going to win the election - legally - and you boys will whine and lash out like little kids.

It'll be grand, a real hoot I tell's ya!

Looking forward to the hilarity :)

#402 | Posted by billy_boy at 2024-10-31 09:19 PM | Reply

PPS I understand the desire to live in a world of moral absolutism, and there are some things that fall into the categories of right/wrong, black/white, but there are also some things that fall into various shades of gray.

#403 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-31 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

In Yav's case, he is breaking up other marriages and is proud of it. I don't see Trump bragging about his behavior. If anything, the Stormy case is proof that he is doing the opposite.

You are hilariously so wrong.
I didn't break up any marriages.
Kind of hard to be proud of breaking up any marriages when I haven't done that.
Nor would I be. That's rather peculiar an assumption.

As to bragging? I haven't bragged at all. I've tried to explain - some very complex aspects of being human.

Bragging is: "You can walk up and grab 'em by their p***y!" and fccking in NYC was his "personal Vietnam" and broadcasting that nationwide.

#404 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 10:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#403 - newsworthy if I could flag, Gal.

#405 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-31 10:23 PM | Reply

"I would argue EVERY WOMAN that has a relationship with him knew 100% what they were getting into."

So, you're cutting Trump slack you don't cut others. Got it.

"I don't see Trump bragging about his behavior."

He certainly does when he thinks he's in private, as we've all heard.

But ultimately, you won't use the same harsh language for Trump as you do for others. I've given you a half-dozen chances, and you refuse to call Trump garbage. Instead, you equivocate, despite the fact Trump is clearly a serial cheater.

#406 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-31 11:15 PM | Reply

"#406 | Posted by Danforth"

I used the same exact language. Further, I clarified by stating that trying to weigh the human garbage between 2 pieces of human garbage is not worth my time.

Trump is flawed - I stated that clearly.

Now, you care to do the same for Kamala? You want admit she slept with a married Willy Brown to get her start in politics?

#407 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-01 12:15 AM | Reply

Trump is flawed - I stated that clearly.

You said he was human garbage. That was clear enough.

#408 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-11-01 12:21 AM | Reply

"I used the same exact language."

Not true at all. One you called "garbage behavior". Not the exact same as you are...garbage.

#409 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-01 12:28 AM | Reply

"This is on Texas."

Which started when SCOTUS refused to stay the $10,000 bounties.

Give discredit where discredit is due.

#410 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-01 12:31 AM | Reply

" You want admit she slept with a married Willy Brown to get her start in politics?"

Depends. Do you want to admit blaming the less-powerful woman while giving the more-powerful male boss a pass, is straight-up misogyny?

In the meantime, thanks for "The 2024 Republican Outreach to Women!"

When women hand Harris the victory next week, be sure to remember: YOU BUILT THAT!

#411 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-01 02:14 AM | Reply

"IDK, maybe dictating to Congress on how to spend? As in Congress delegated the authority to forgive student loans to the executive branch, but the SC overturned that action."

More like dictating to congress how not to spend, right? In this case, telling the president what he couldn't do with taxpayer dollars. That'd kinda their job.

#412 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-01 02:51 AM | Reply

"Where in there does it say Congress has the power to prevent states from denying specific medical procedures?"

What medical procedure is congress preventing the states from providing?

#413 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-01 03:02 AM | Reply

"Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Most applicable here.

#414 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-01 03:04 AM | Reply

"Did you learn anything madbummer?"

I did. I learned that you're a under-educated, perhaps emotionally unstable fanatic. At least when it comes to civics.

You have an opinion. So do I. They are probably very similar. You seem to be unable to understand why your opinion is not translated into law.

#415 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-01 03:07 AM | Reply

What i hear from Deadpan (this is not a quote for those pedantic morons out there): Trump might be human garbage, but he's giving me what I want, so I'll just ignore that and worship him! Oh, and don't ask me what I want - I don't know, other than he's just so hot! I want to be taken care of by this manly man that screws women without consent! That's a real man! And he GETS me! We're just like each other! I just swoon in bromance with him! Oh, and if you're not him and you do far less offensive things than him, and you're gay well you're human garbage and worthy of non-stop scorn from me!

I can't help by laugh!

#416 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 09:09 AM | Reply

-I didn't break up any marriages.

That's good but does that matter to you?

Take this for what it's worth.....a way to not break up marriages is to not screw people who are IN marriages.

just a little life advice......

#417 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 10:21 AM | Reply

-Kind of hard to be proud of breaking up any marriages when I haven't done that.

Are you saying that because the marriages are still intact or because they ended and you're declaring you had nothing to do with it?

Yes, I know these are gay men living a lie and these marriages were doomed.

hetro marriages are also doomed for many reasons. infidelity rears it's head but it's hardly the root cause. It's just a reality when marriages are in trouble.

This is where I don't understand why gay people believe there is a difference. You're wrong. There is no difference.

None. You, Clown, etc...you're all lying to yourself. IT's not different.

You're the "other man my husband was -------".

that's all you'll ever be in those situations.

#418 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 10:45 AM | Reply

"IDK, maybe dictating to Congress on how to spend? As in Congress delegated the authority to forgive student loans to the executive branch, but the SC overturned that action."

More like dictating to congress how not to spend, right? In this case, telling the president what he couldn't do with taxpayer dollars. That'd kinda their job.

#412 | Posted by madbomber

Evidence that you don't understand how courts work or what authority they have

Hint. the courts DO NOT have the power to dictate to Congress or the Executive branch how to spend tax dollars.

They have the authority to adjudicate, i.e. interpret the law over conflicts between parties on what the interpretation of the law when at least one of the parties has suffered injury.

No parties=no court authority.
No injury=no court authority

When they decide something without the conflict they are legislating.

Congress passed the student loan law

the student loan law delegated power to the executive branch to forgive loans

The executive branch interpreted that law and forgave loans.

the SC took a lawsuit where there was no party claiming injury by the act of forgiving the loan

The party claimed to be injured denied being party to the lawsuit and suffered no injury infact were to benefit from student loan forgiveness.

This is INCREDIbly BASIC STUFF

#419 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-01 10:56 AM | Reply

"Where in there does it say Congress has the power to prevent states from denying specific medical procedures?"

What medical procedure is congress preventing the states from providing?

#413 | Posted by madbomber

Shakes my head

None

The courts used to deny states from restricting abortions (under specific conditions).

Dobbs removed those restrictions.

#420 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-01 11:01 AM | Reply

"Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Most applicable here.

#414 | Posted by madbomber

Yes, and until Dobbs, the power (i.e. right) to privacy (i.e. to get an abortion) was a power that the people had (this is called an unenumerated right).

#421 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-01 11:02 AM | Reply

"Did you learn anything madbummer?"

I did. I learned that you're a under-educated, perhaps emotionally unstable fanatic. At least when it comes to civics.

You have an opinion. So do I. They are probably very similar. You seem to be unable to understand why your opinion is not translated into law.

#415 | Posted by madbomber

you post non sequitors, irrelevance and do not provide any substantive responses.

Then declare victory.

Typical idiot

#422 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-01 11:03 AM | Reply

-Hint. the courts DO NOT have the power to dictate to Congress or the Executive branch how to spend tax dollars.

FWIW, the State of Kansas routinely goes through lawsuits filed by the public schools over funding.

In those cases, the courts rule the funding isn't sufficient and the legislature is ordered to change the funding.

Now the reason why the state supreme court can do this is because there is a constitutional requirement to "adequately" fund public schools.

Not sure this applies to this argument........just sayin.

#423 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 11:06 AM | Reply

"I learned that you're a under-educated ... "

You've got to love the self-retorting retort!

#424 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-01 11:07 AM | Reply

That's all right on point, Eberly. Up to (IMHO) the line of "this is where I don't understand." That next part is an answer to your own question of why you don't understand. Because you then declare there's no difference.

The difference is something you may never be able to understand. I'm not sure you could grasp it. A lot of my straight buddies do. They kid about it all the time with me. What is that? It's wanting to be with someone of your own sex, finding them so sexually appealing, and when you have sex with them it's the way you always imagined sex would be like. And it is NOT, even if you love your wife, just not even close to being the same. Not if you are gay. Maybe it's better, or close to the same if you're truly middle range bi. I don't know.

It's a horrible place to be in, to be honest. I've been there. I went to a therapy to become 100% straight. I tried. I've dated and had sex with women. It was good but I couldn't connect on a deeper level, and that was the best it got. I'd end it because I knew it wasn't fair for her and not for me, either.

#425 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 11:08 AM | Reply

Yav, none of that changes my point. You're just excusing your choices by declaring it's different.

It's not. I don't need to understand what it's like to be gay and living a lie.

Many people live lies. substance abusers, criminals, etc.....they're everywhere. you're just picking a single item of the menu of "liars" as though it's different.

I'm amazed you can't see that. I guess that's what denial does to people.

Your actions of sleeping with married men is just that. It's no different than anybody who screws a married man. The issues of the marriage are just that. They don't excuse your choice to sleep with a married man.

There is no getting around it.

#426 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 11:39 AM | Reply

You live a very insular life, Eberly.
What a burden it must be to always be so right, knowing how everyone should feel.

#427 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You made that confession, Yav

then you defended it

then again

then again

then again......

I would have let it go literally 200 posts ago but you've continued with this without end.

#428 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 11:56 AM | Reply

I made the mistake of thinking you might be able to understand or have an inkling of a clue what it's like. But you can't it seems. You are stuck.
You make it sound as if you could have sex with another man and it'd be no different for you than having sex with a woman. No nuance, no understanding of what being truly gay is about.

As I said a while back, absolutely no regrets. None.
You mistake me trying to have a conversation and communication about the complexities of human sexuality to defending.
There is nothing to defend or apologize for, and I'm doing neither.

#429 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-I made the mistake of thinking you might be able to understand or have an inkling of a clue what it's like

what what's like?

Being gay? AT the end of it, you're going to hide behind those choices by claiming "I'm gay...this is different!!" as some excuse?

Are you -------- kidding me?

"You make it sound as if you could have sex with another married man and it'd be no different for you than having sex with a married woman."

FT

I have enough pride that keeps me from inserting myself into another marriage. You don't.

It's the exact same thing......... If I'm screwing another man's wife, despite the issues in that marriage, then that's the same thing as you screwing another woman's husband, despite the issues in that marriage.

The husband's gayness is no defense for YOUR choice. None. It's not some special get out of jail free card that excuses anything you've done.

My God!!!! How many ------ years have you been lying to yourself about that?????????????????????

#430 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 03:30 PM | Reply

"It's the exact same thing......... If I'm screwing another man's wife, despite the issues in that marriage, then that's the same thing as you screwing another woman's husband, despite the issues in that marriage."

I agree with that, however, I don't think Yav is offering a defense or an excuse:

"The husband's gayness is no defense for YOUR choice. None. It's not some special get out of jail free card that excuses anything you've done."

I think he was offering an explanation for his own behavior, motivation. It seems like you want him to feel guilty about his actions, but he doesn't.

#431 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-01 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-I don't think Yav is offering a defense or an excuse:

I do. Yav can speak for himself but that's precisely what I'm seeing him do. Defend and excuse it. He has found some distinction that justifies what he's done. Gayness......both his and his married men partners.

#432 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 03:48 PM | Reply

Correct, Gal.

"It's not some special get out of jail free card that excuses anything you've done."

Don't need, want, or care about your made up card, and frankly I DGAS. I spent years feeling guilty because society called me worse than "human garbage." As have so many of us. As happened on this thread. So "FT."

#433 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Honestly, Eberly, there's no communicating with you. No point to it. I've been crystal clear. Repeatedly.

#434 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yav can speak for himself"

Of course, as can you, but since the discussion is taking place on this forum, I get to have an opinion.

#435 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-01 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


sophistry

noun

the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.


Seemed worth posting, for some reason.

#436 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-01 03:54 PM | Reply

day three of eberly discussing --------- instead of elections.

move on dude.

#437 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-11-01 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I posted this on the thread on the most recent murder of a teen that was pregnant:

Bad enough Texas infant mortality rate keeps getting worse and worse, the maternity mortality rate is skyrocketing under Trump/Abbot/GOP. All due to this crap-ass morality police legislation. Hold my beer, Tehran.

"The bellwether state is Texas, the only state to impose its abortion ban as early as September 2021, even before the Supreme Court's June 2022 ruling

The maternal mortality rate rose by 56% in Texas from 2019 through 2022, the figures show, well exceeding the national increase of 11%. The rate for Black women rose by 38% and for Hispanic women by 30%.

What was especially striking, Cohen told me, was that the maternal mortality rate for white women in Texas nearly doubled in 2019-22, while rising by only 6% nationwide."

www.latimes.com

#438 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW - the National increase of 11% is because of Texas (and other red states) that are pulling that average up.

#439 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Don't need, want, or care about your made up card, and frankly I DGAS

Fair enough

I realize it seems like I've appointed myself as the morality police but it's not a title I want, I assure you.

"day three of eberly discussing --------- instead of elections."

I'm pretty sure I don't suffer from schizophrenia.

There were other very active participants unwilling to let it go.

Yav brought it up and wouldn't let it go. Honestly, I was curious how far he would take his defense for something I still believe he didn't realize he was revealing.

In fact, as soon as I responded to it.....I imagine he said "----, WHY DID I POST THAT??!!"

He won't admit to it but frankly......I DGAS.

#440 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 04:20 PM | Reply

"his defense"

For the fifth time because you keep insisting:
I have nothing to defend. I'm not trying to defend anything.
Damn you are DENSE.

#441 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 04:25 PM | Reply

#441 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag: Eberly..quit making Yav respond - Alex.

#442 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 04:27 PM | Reply

And no, there was no "----, WHY DID I POST THAT??!!" from me. That didn't even enter my mind.
Do you attribute your own narrative so unrelentingly on everyone you know?
Wow.

#443 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 04:27 PM | Reply

BTW - since this threat was posted you know a teenager died because of Texas' draconian anti-woman law?
Another one.
"Acceptable losses" to the "Pro-life" crowd.

#444 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 04:29 PM | Reply

-Do you attribute your own narrative so unrelentingly on everyone you know?

sometimes....

#445 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 04:41 PM | Reply

#445 - that's a healthy admission! Thank you for that, Eberly!

#446 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-01 04:50 PM | Reply

I'm guilty of doing it here forever.

#447 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-01 04:59 PM | Reply

#447

Pooping while posting?

#448 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-01 05:06 PM | Reply

449 posts. Damn. So close. Was going for 500.

#449 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-02 09:27 AM | Reply

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