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Tuesday, February 18, 2025

If Vice President J.D. Vance hoped to earn respect among international leaders with his speech in Germany last week, it didn't work, according to one senior diplomat.

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More: "That was a direct assault on European democracy," alleged a German politician.

"It's very clear now, Europe is alone," confessed a senior diplomat.

The reporter asked the man if he now sees the United States as an adversary and he replied, "Yes."

Gideon Rachman, who was on hand in Munich for the outlet, wrote that the only thing that could considered positive was the allegation it was "puerile bulls---." However, he said it was ignored because it was "aimed at a US audience."

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2025-02-18 10:45 AM | Reply

They know an untrustworthy clodhopper when they see one
And the Musk-Trump-Vance administration is extremely clodhopper heavy.

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-02-18 11:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Finally the world is respecting Americans again!

Just like how they now "respect" Russians.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-02-18 11:55 AM | Reply

This is yet another Donald Failure.

A huge one.

A stupid one.

A childish one.

"Stupid and childish"... Words MAGA is determined to live by.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-18 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump negotiating for peace in Ukraine without Ukrainian and NATO participation indicates he listens to Putin more than any of our allies probably creates serious doubt if the United States is a reliable ally. We'been allies with those nations for many decades and now buffoons like Vance and Trump disrupt NATO. This is a major foreign policy disaster! They are both demonstrating such incompetence that nobody can even claim our National Security is as certain as it was under Biden.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-18 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Stupid and dangerous" are the two words I most associate with MAGA

#6 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-02-18 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"His speech backfired spectacularly, convincing many listeners that America itself is now a threat to Europe."

No. It. Didn't.

We need to stop assessing the administration's actions through the normal lens with normal expectations.

It was meant to be insulting. It was meant to send the message that the US is now an adversary. It was meant to be a giant middle finger to old alliances being plowed under as the new elite cements their place in a global oligarchy a la Russia.

The old world order is dead.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-18 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not the U.S. - just the fat idiot and his cadre of morons.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-18 02:42 PM | Reply

They are s butt hurt over a speech that rightly called them out for their retreat from Western values that they now see the US as an adversary? How thin skinned can they be? These are supposed to be leaders of countries.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-18 11:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

They are s butt hurt over a speech that rightly called them out for their retreat from Western values that they now see the US as an adversary? How thin skinned can they be? These are supposed to be leaders of countries.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-18 11:13 PM | Reply

You mean American arrogance telling them how to run their own countries. Right Jeff??

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-18 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10. Know American common sense of warning them, for the sake of their own countries, about the direction they are moving.

In the UK people get arrested for silently praying within 200 meters of an abortion clinic.

This is a brief transcript from CBS News:

" Is it a crime to insult somebody in public?

Svenja Meininghaus: Yes.

Sharyn Alfonsi: And it's a crime to insult them online as well?

Svenja Meininghaus: Yes.

Dr. Matthus Fink: The fine could be even higher if you insult someone in the internet.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-18 11:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Vance was spot-on:

" A 2022 New York Times article includes several examples of outrageous censorship under the law.

A 51-year-old man had his home raided after he shared a quote online that was falsely attributed to a German politician. "Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal is not a reason for deportation," the fake quote read. The police seized his laptop and tablet as evidence in the case.

Prosecutors said it didn't matter whether the man knew the quote was fake, he would face a fine of more than $1,400 anyway because "the accused bears the risk of spreading a false quote without checking it."

Another social media user landed in hot water after comparing Covid restrictions to the Holocaust, though the article doesn't say whether the person was ultimately convicted.

A journalist in Berlin got a man prosecuted for calling him "stupid" and mentally ill online. The man was hit with a more than $1,000 fine for the remarks.

Another man was ordered to pay a fine of more than $2,500 after he blamed a politician who was murdered in 2019 for the politician's own death because he had refused a security detail. The 49-year-old man said Walter Lbcke had "himself to blame." A judge found the man's statement had effectively condoned the politician's murder.

Despite all this, CBS seems to celebrate Germany's censorship and question the merits of free speech that Vance touts, writes NR's Jeffrey Blehar, who points out that neither Europeans nor CBS seem to get free speech."

www.nationalreview.com

That is appalling and it's exactly what Vance was calling out.

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-18 11:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'll take ---- that won't happen for $500 Alex!

#13 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-02-18 11:44 PM | Reply

Again their free speech is different than ours. Why do you feel so arrogant that you can tell them how to run their own country??

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-18 11:59 PM | Reply

More from NRO

" The most infamous example of an online hate speech case in Germany happened in 2021, when an internet user had their home raided for calling a local politician a "pimmel," or "penis" online. The incident became known as "Pimmelgate."

In another case, an offender was fined nearly $4,000 for posting that refugee children should play in electrical wires"

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 12:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Again their free speech is different than ours. Why do you feel so arrogant that you can tell them how to run their own country??

#14 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2025-02-18 11:59 PM | FLAG: "

They are not being told how to run their country. It's being pointed out to them that they are on a bad path. Consider it an intervention.

I just posted several examples. What would your reaction be if a person was fined $4000 for calling Trump a Dick online?

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 12:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

No one hates western values more than Republicans.

Freedom, liberty and equality are all triggers for Conservatives.

They hate America and all it stood for.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 12:05 AM | Reply


Why do you feel so arrogant that you can tell them how to run their own country??

#14 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

idk USAID was throwing money all around the globe trying to convince people LGBT/gender equality was a good thing.

Now you're saying the US can't even discuss Europes version of "free speech"? Seems odd.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-19 12:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I just posted several examples. What would your reaction be if a person was fined $4000 for calling Trump a Dick online?

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 12:02 AM | Reply

I would be pissed because that's not how we run this country. That doesn't negate the fact that is not how Germany runs theirs.

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-19 12:09 AM | Reply

Laura Mohr,

Obviously that's not how Germany runs theirs. The point is what I just posted shouldn't happen in any country that has Western values.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 12:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

During an interview Historian/classicist Victor Davis Hanson made the comment that censorship is the twin of failure.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 12:16 AM | Reply

cdt.org

When it Comes to Free Speech, the Trump Administration Should Follow Its Own Order

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-19 12:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What would your reaction be if a person was fined $4000 for calling Trump a Dick online?

AP is being punished for rejecting the erroneous term "Gulf of America".

Republicans strip Americans or rights, freedoms and privacy.

But your concern trolling over European reaction to Vance's antagonizing speech.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 12:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump doesn't support free speech.

If he did he wouldn't be suing and ousting media outlets he disagreed with.

He wouldn't have forced Zuckerberg to stop fact checking misinformation and hate spread on meta.

Trump is a spoiled brat. All his actions are those of a spoiled brat.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 12:23 AM | Reply

#23 The AP didn't get arrested and hit with thousands of dollars in fines.

And for the record, I vehemently disagree with AP being kicked out of the press briefing room.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 12:27 AM | Reply

AP didn't. But CBS and ABC did.

I doubt you "vehemently" disagree with anything Trump does.

The most I ever read you upset with him was when he said he liked his steaks well done.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 12:30 AM | Reply

#26 Fox news did too in the aftermath of the 2020 election.

#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 12:38 AM | Reply

Trump negotiating for peace in Ukraine without Ukrainian and NATO participation indicates he listens to Putin more than any of our allies

This meeting was NOT about the Russian/Ukraine war. That was just a cover. The real purpose of the meeting was to devise a process to lift the sanctions off Russia. Putin will say what he is willing to do, Trump will say that is fair and the sanctions will be lifted irrespective of what Ukraine wants.

The question that I am waiting to hear some reporter ask Trump is "why should Ukraine accept any security guarantee issued by the US and/or Russia because they haven't upheld the previous security guarantee when Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons"?

#28 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-02-19 07:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#28,

Yep. Biden slapped even more sanctions on their oil exports and on the ships they use to carry that oil right before he left office and that oil was the only thing keeping their economy afloat. Russia wants sanction relief before they ever start talking about Ukraine. Trump, naturally, is chomping at the bit to give it to them.

#29 | Posted by qcp at 2025-02-19 08:38 AM | Reply

It's not an exaggeration anymore to say Trump is in line with Putin.
Trump actually said yesterday that Ukraine should not have started the war.
It's unimaginable to make a statement like that.
Trump lost all credibility in the World.

#30 | Posted by eightfifteenpm at 2025-02-19 09:18 AM | Reply

They are s butt hurt over a speech that rightly called them out for their retreat from Western values

#9 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're such a clown.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 09:35 AM | Reply

I vehemently disagree with AP being kicked out of the press briefing room.

#25 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Because it's the "Gulf of Mexico", right?

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 09:36 AM | Reply

Europe should view Trump as a adversary; an enemy.

He is. He acts like one.

JD is an enemy, too. Worse, for being such a simpering toad of a villain.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 09:39 AM | Reply

"You're such a clown.

#31 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2025-02-19 09:35 AM | REPLY"

A true clown calls an ally an adversary over a spot-on interventionist speech. But, here we are.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 09:46 AM | Reply

"Because it's the "Gulf of Mexico", right?

#32 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2025-02-19 09:36 AM"

Yes. Here is the thing though - the left changes language all of the time. What is a woman? Birthing person? Egg producer? Person with a uterus?

Then, throw in terms like Latinx....the point is, don't get all butt-hurt when your actions get turned back around on you.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 09:48 AM | Reply

#34 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

JD and Trump made that speech advocating fascism under the color of "free speech. Creating a wedge for in into a collection of people who suffered millions dead because of fascism.

Everyone sees what you toads are doing.

Everyone sees you, personally, for what you are.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"JD is an enemy, too. Worse, for being such a simpering toad of a villain.

#33 | POSTED BY ZED"

Ah. Already setting the table to keep your psychosis going once 'Donald' is no longer in office.

#37 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 09:49 AM | Reply

So, now free speech is fascism?

Wow! You really do need to see a therapist.

Look at posts #12 and #15, Zed. That is what Vance called out. Please try to defend and justify what Germany is doing. Then move on to the UK. Arresting people for silent prayer among other things.

I don't expect that you will though. As you've inched past the goal line of clinical insanity your ability to be even remotely rational appears to have been lost.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 09:52 AM | Reply

4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Note what you and you people did yesterday----

You claimed that the public schools were full of "pornography"

And then you took away all their books on slavery.

You and you people did that in the name of what you call "equality".

Because you think that you white folk are getting a raw deal on library books.

You and you people sincerely disgust me.

You dress yourselves up in faux morality for the sake of doing evil.

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 09:53 AM | Reply

#34 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

JD and Trump made that speech advocating fascism under the color of "free speech. Creating a wedge for in into a collection of people who suffered millions dead because of fascism.

Everyone sees what you toads are doing.

Everyone sees you, personally, for what you are.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 09:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So Zed and Truth have completely lost their grips on reality... wow.

#41 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-02-19 10:25 AM | Reply

#40. I knew you couldn't do it. For a while I was amused by your absurdity. Now I'm kinda saddened by it. You are not mentally well. This everyone to the right of you is Thanos is not healthy. You really do need to see a therapist. You are conjuring up things in your mind that you are convinced have happened but in fact have not happened. The purging of books that mention slavery being a prime example

#42 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" So Zed and Truth have completely lost their grips on reality... wow.

#41 | POSTED BY KWRX25 AT 2025-02-19 10:25 AM | FLAG: "

Yep. It's sad.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 10:27 AM | Reply

When is bunker bitch going to announce America is joining the Warsaw Pact?

#44 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-19 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Note what you and you people did yesterday----

You claimed that the public schools were full of "pornography"

And then you took away all their books on slavery.

You and you people did that in the name of what you call "equality".

Because you think that you white folk are getting a raw deal on library books.
You and you people sincerely disgust me.

You dress yourselves up in faux morality for the sake of doing evil.

#45 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 11:15 AM | Reply

#34 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

JD and Trump made that speech advocating fascism under the color of "free speech". Creating a wedge for ii into a collection of people who suffered millions dead because of fascism.

Everyone sees what you toads are doing.

Everyone sees you, personally, for what you are.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 11:16 AM | Reply

So Zed and Truth have completely lost their grips on reality... wow.

#41 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-02-19 10:25 AM

Hopefully it will lead to their suicides, but unfortunately, they are ------- and the whining will continue.

#47 | Posted by fortfisher at 2025-02-19 11:19 AM | Reply

-------------- should follow the example of the greatest politician his --------- of a party ever produced.

www.alamy.com

#48 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-19 11:24 AM | Reply

Hopefully it will lead to their suicides

#47 | POSTED BY FORTFISHER

Nah.

My motivation to live is to tell you bastards the truth about yourselves.

Your mommas and daddies wouldn't do it for you.

And you'd beat the hell out of your wives and children if they did.

So it's left up to people like me.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 12:12 PM | Reply

They are s butt hurt over a speech that rightly called them out for their retreat from Western values that they now see the US as an adversary? How thin skinned can they be? These are supposed to be leaders of countries.

#9 | Posted by BELLRINGER

Up is down, left is right in Trump world. NATO, Europe and the US before Trump are western values. Russia and its allies - China and North Korea - are not. Why on Earth would you want to be taking Russia's, China's and North Korea's side?

#50 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2025-02-19 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A nation run by a Soviet puppet is an adversary to any free nation.

#51 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-02-19 01:00 PM | Reply

Why on Earth would you want to be taking Russia's, China's and North Korea's side?

Either Jeff is a russian troll this entire time posting from a gulag in Siberia or he's as dumb ass a box of rocks.

It's a toss up.

#52 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-02-19 01:02 PM | Reply

" JD and Trump made that speech advocating fascism under the color of "free speech"

So advocating free speech is fascism?

Wow. You really do need to seek help, Zed. This is unhealthy.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is yet another Donald Failure.

Clearly Donald is not failing in this. He is doing what he was told to do. He is a soviet puppet and these are his orders.

Others have tried in France, UK and Germany.

Only America has been stupid enough to allow them to succeed.

Thanks to FAUX NOOZ.

#54 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-02-19 01:05 PM | Reply

Did magat scum vote to completely upend 80 years of American foreign policy, by dumping Europe allies for Russian dictatorship?

Do magat scum have any concept of how that will harm America?

Do magat scum REALLY want the German neo-nazi party to gain control of Germany? Have magat scum thought that one through?

#55 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 01:09 PM | Reply

They are s butt hurt over a speech that rightly called them out for their retreat from Western values that they now see the US as an adversary? How thin skinned can they be? These are supposed to be leaders of countries.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger

To be clear jeff is talking about, for example, German law that prohibits holocaust denialism and promotion of nazi ideals.

Do magat scum think that Germany should change that policy?

I mean, free speech and all.

#56 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 01:12 PM | Reply

You can tell how sincere Vance is by his condemnation of Victor Orban's attack on freedom of Speech in Hungary.

#57 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 01:12 PM | Reply

hey are not being told how to run their country. It's being pointed out to them that they are on a bad path. Consider it an intervention.

I just posted several examples. What would your reaction be if a person was fined $4000 for calling Trump a Dick online?

#16 | Posted by BellRinger a

Jeff seems to be unaware of the path that Germany went down a few times when speech wasn't policed.

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 01:18 PM | Reply

#26 Fox news did too in the aftermath of the 2020 election.

#27 | Posted by BellRinger

No they didn't get kicked out of WH briefings, liar.

They did settle a lawsuit where they were caught lying.

#59 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 01:20 PM | Reply

Yes. Here is the thing though - the left changes language all of the time. What is a woman? Birthing person? Egg producer? Person with a uterus?

Then, throw in terms like Latinx....the point is, don't get all butt-hurt when your actions get turned back around on you.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger

And yet Biden never kicked a news agency out for not using those terms. You magat scum.

#60 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 01:22 PM | Reply

" JD and Trump made that speech advocating fascism under the color of "free speech"

So advocating free speech is fascism?

Wow. You really do need to seek help, Zed. This is unhealthy.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger

And sadly, nothing can help you.

You are a soulless troll.

#61 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 01:24 PM | Reply

Hopefully it will lead to their suicides

#47 | POSTED BY FORTFISHER

Do you consider yourself a christian?

Do you consider yourself moral?

Do you consider yourself to have an ounce of integrity?

#62 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 01:25 PM | Reply

How the ---- are you idiots talking about free speech and there's NO free speech on THIS platform?

------- hypocrites.

#63 | Posted by boaz at 2025-02-19 01:31 PM | Reply

How the ---- are you idiots talking about free speech and there's NO free speech on THIS platform?

------- hypocrites.

#63 | Posted by boaz

So how did we just read your whining?

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-19 01:33 PM | Reply

#63
------- idiot

#65 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-02-19 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only people who believe we're an adversary are the same people who WANT us to be hated everywhere because we didn't elect a democrat to the White House.

Get the hell over it.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only people who believe we're an adversary

#66 | POSTED BY EBERLY

People reasonably believe that Donald Trump is who and what he seems to be.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-there's NO free speech on THIS platform?

See if it's for sale.

or....just change your opinion....and it goes back to being free.

LOL

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 01:53 PM | Reply

" No they didn't get kicked out of WH briefings, liar"

I didn't say they did, ------.

Clownshack referenced lawsuits against left wing outlets and I pointed out the one against Fox.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 01:55 PM | Reply

WANT us to be hated everywhere because we didn't elect a democrat to the White House.

#66 | POSTED BY EBERLY

1) We didn't elect a Republican, either.

2) Oh, come on. I don't want anyone to hate me, but the slide downhill has been dramatic the last four weeks. I suspect that I'll get some hate the next time I go overseas. I'll know all the reasons why, and his initials are DJT.

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 01:55 PM | Reply

" Jeff seems to be unaware of the path that Germany went down a few times when speech wasn't policed.
#58 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-02-19 01:18 PM | FLAG: "

Oh, so now you are on the idiotic bandwagon that free speech caused the Holocaust?

That is retarded.

And try and defend what was posted in #12 and #15, pimmel.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

free speech caused the Holocaust?

#71 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Nazis such as yourself caused the Holocaust.

#72 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 02:00 PM | Reply

Zed,

I don't hate you (although I'm sure you absolutely loathe me). I want you to get help. I suspect you are a law abiding citizen and a faithful and devoted husband. See a therapist. Don't throw all of that goodness away over your insane Trump obsession.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:02 PM | Reply

Oh, so now I'm a Nazi. You are ridiculous, Zed.

#74 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:02 PM | Reply

-We didn't elect a Republican, either.

That's precisely the ONLY thing we did.

Nothing more.

That explains 100% of the drama from twerps like you.

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 02:04 PM | Reply

" Jeff seems to be unaware of the path that Germany went down a few times when speech wasn't policed.
#58 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-02-19 01:18 PM | FLAG: "

Oh, so now you are on the idiotic bandwagon that free speech caused the Holocaust?

That is retarded.

And try and defend what was posted in #12 and #15, pimmel.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 01:58 PM

I want you to state definitively that Germany should do away with it's laws prohibiting holocaust denialism and pro-nazi speech.

You won't

Cause you're a bitch.

#76 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 02:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And try and defend what was posted in #12 and #15, pimmel.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 01:58 PM

I am perfectly fine recognizing Germany's unique position vis a vis free speech.

Now I want to see you state that Germany should do away with it's laws prohibiting holocaust denialism and pro-nazi speech.

But you won't

Cause you're a bitch

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 02:14 PM | Reply

-I want you to state definitively that Germany should do away with it's laws prohibiting holocaust denialism and pro-nazi speech.

Who should tell Germany what to do?

We're not gonna do it. You understand that, right?

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 02:18 PM | Reply

" I want you to state definitively that Germany should do away with its laws prohibiting holocaust denialism and pro-nazi speech."

They don't have 1A. So, as far as restricting speech goes I think given their history those 2 specific examples are justifiable.

Now, try and defend #12 and # 15. Or, be sane and acknowledge that it goes way too far.

#79 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:21 PM | Reply

Germany has laws prohibiting hate speech.

60 Minutes did a segment on it this past Sunday.

They enforce it with fines.

Their stance is 'free speech has limits'. You can disagree with someone, but when it descends into hate speech, they attempt to enforce it (which must be extremely difficult with the internet).

Yes, an example included calling a politician a wangerknob, and also someone circulating a meme that depicted electrical wires and suggesting it could be a playground for immigrant children.

Not sure where those fit in to 'western values'.

"writes NR's Jeffrey Blehar, who points out that neither Europeans nor CBS seem to get free speech."

Germany does not = Europe.
Also, 60 Minutes didn't really take a stance on it, they just reported the story, and even brought up the American context of the 1st Amendment.

#80 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2025-02-19 02:22 PM | Reply

Clownshack referenced lawsuits against left wing outlets and I pointed out the one against Fox.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger

Dems didn't kick fox out of the press corps even AFTER fox argued in court that they're just entertainment, not news.

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-19 02:24 PM | Reply

Given the current state of crashing down on freedom of expression and anulling an election flimsy terms, Vance was 100% spot on. It was a bit reminiscent of Reagan's "tear down this wall" speech.

My guess is Twoothy hates that speech to this day. Hopefully I'm wrong about that.

#82 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:24 PM | Reply

Oh, so now I'm a Nazi. You are ridiculous, Zed.

#74 | Posted by BellRinger

You're "not a nazi". Just a patriotic american who spends his days defending nazis and spreading fascist propaganda.

#83 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-19 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Brett Stephens, NYT:
"For now, the important point is this: Much like a certain British prime minister long ago, an American vice president went to Munich to carry on about his idealism while breaking bread with those who would obliterate democratic ideals. A disgrace."

#84 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2025-02-19 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump wouldn't have won the election without hate speech.

His hate galvanized the Republican party

In order to be a republican, you have to hate.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Dems didn't kick fox out of the press corps even AFTER fox argued in court that they're just entertainment, not news.

#81 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2025-02-19 02:24 PM | FLAG: "

Obama did. But then Fox's peers thoroughly denounced it and Obama backed off.

#86 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:26 PM | Reply

I want you to state definitively that Germany should do away with its laws prohibiting holocaust denialism and pro-nazi speech."

They don't have 1A. So, as far as restricting speech goes I think given their history those 2 specific examples are justifiable.

Now, try and defend #12 and # 15. Or, be sane and acknowledge that it goes way too far.

#79 | Posted by BellRinger a

So, to be clear, jeff is fine with Germany limiting free speech, he just doesn't agree with Germany limiting free speech.

jeff is not too bright.

#87 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 02:29 PM | Reply

" t a patriotic american who spends his days defending nazis and spreading fascist propaganda.

#83 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2025-02-19 02:25 PM | FLAG: "

You said pretty much the same thing but with sugar coating.

#88 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:29 PM | Reply

BullBringer isn't a Nazi.

He's too much of a coward to actively stand up for his beliefs.

He's simply a Nazi enabler. He supports their policies and decisions from the safety for his wife's basement.

#89 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:29 PM | Reply

---- that jeff is a little eichmann. ---- him and all fascists

#90 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 02:31 PM | Reply

" So, to be clear, jeff is fine with Germany limiting free speech, he just doesn't agree with Germany limiting free speech.

jeff is not too bright.

#87 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-02-19 02:29 PM | FLAG: "

No, ------. Germany is not bound by 1A. So, if they are going to impose speech limits the 2 examples you brought up are justifiable. However they've moved way beyond that.

Care to address #12 and 15? I bet you won't. Now I just laid down a challenge.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:33 PM | Reply

Interesting explanation on German freedom of expression

maint.loc.gov

I found this quite interesting.

This does not apply in the same way to assertions of facts. False information is not an object worthy of protection from the viewpoint of freedom of opinion (54 BVerfGE 208, 219). The deliberate assertion of untrue facts is not protected by article 5, paragraph 1 of the Basic Law; the same applies to wrong quotations (BVerfG, loc.cit.). . . . The communication of a fact is protected by freedom of opinion because and insofar as it forms the basis for an opinion. . . .

It would appears that lies are not protected free expression.

Jeff would be in trouble in Germany

#92 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 02:36 PM | Reply

None of you have addressed people being arrested in the UK for praying in silence within 600 feet of an abortion clinic.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:38 PM | Reply

#Jeff would be in trouble in Germany

#92 | Posted by truthhurts

So would you, given you insults to others.

Funny how you think you'd be immune.

#94 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-19 02:38 PM | Reply

It would appears that lies are not protected free expression.
- TruthNLies

You know how many hoax/lies have been said about Trump here?

This place would be a ghost town.

#95 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-19 02:40 PM | Reply

No, ------. Germany is not bound by 1A. So, if they are going to impose speech limits the 2 examples you brought up are justifiable. However they've moved way beyond that.

Care to address #12 and 15? I bet you won't. Now I just laid down a challenge.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger a

I will reiterate what I wrote earlier, since you are a liar claiming I haven't addressed it.

I am perfectly fine with Germany developing and implementing their own form of freedom of expression. I am bright enough to recognize that they have a unique relationship with speech given their history. I am humble enough to recognize I am not familiar enough with the specifics of how those laws are implemented, i.e. whether your alleged examples are factual or reasonable in context of German law.

You just see examples and attempt to apply your idiotic free speech without limits argument. Cause you are an arrogant moron.

#96 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

that jeff is a little eichmann. ---- him and all fascists
#90 | Posted by truthhurts

This statement would have the authorities at your house in Germany.

Hilarious

#97 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-19 02:41 PM | Reply

people being arrested in the UK for praying in silence within 600 feet of an abortion clinic.

Good. What the fkkk are they doing there?

Fkkk them and their false sense of moral superiority.

Leave people alone to live their lives without your judgement and condemnation.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:41 PM | Reply

This statement would have the authorities at your house in Germany.

He doesn't live in Germany. Idiot.

#99 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:42 PM | Reply

#92. You are trying so hard to avoid what I posted in 12 and 15 Further, who decides what is and isn't factual? NY Post scooped the laptop story. At the time, those in power deemed it Eussia disinformation. As it turns out the reporting was factual. Yet, under the fascist tyranny you seek the Post would have been convicted of a crime for telling an uncomfortable truth. So spare me your Nazi -------- and look in the mirror.

#100 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:42 PM | Reply

You just see examples and attempt to apply your idiotic free speech without limits argument.

BullBringer is the type of idiot who would run into a movie theater and shout, "fire!"

For the lulz, of course.

#101 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:43 PM | Reply

just see examples and attempt to apply your idiotic free speech without limits argument.
- TruthNLies

No one is for no limits

But political speech should be protected.

Lies are only lies if one knows the truth is different from what they say.

Germany doesn't make that distinction.

That's a scary proposition.

#102 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-19 02:43 PM | Reply

-You know how many hoax/lies have been said about Trump here?

Now THERE is free speech in action.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 02:44 PM | Reply

So spare me your Nazi -------- and look in the mirror.

#100 | Posted by BellRinger

We're talking about someone that is unable to move forward, stuck Nazi, and Russian rhetoric.

He's a lost cause.

#104 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-19 02:45 PM | Reply

Further, who decides what is and isn't factual?

Magat scum influence revealed right here.

#105 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 02:46 PM | Reply

Now THERE is free speech in action.

Better use it before Trump makes it illegal.

#106 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:47 PM | Reply

" ognize I am not familiar enough with the specifics of how those laws are implemented, i.e. whether your alleged examples are factual or reasonable in context of German law."

You are such a weasel. Those aren't "alleged" examples. They happened and are only a few out of approximately 700 examples of this garbage over the past few years.

Vance was 100% spot on calling it out. These are western allies. They are moving away from longstanding western values. The speech was more of an appeal to their citizens who are being victimized by their leadership.

I hope he continues with this.

#107 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:47 PM | Reply

Oh, so now I'm a Nazi.

#74 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Definitely a fellow traveller.

Or useful idiot.

#108 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 02:50 PM | Reply

-BullBringer is the type of idiot who would run into a movie theater and shout, "fire!"

and you're the type of idiot who wouldn't be more than 10 feet away from him.

Like always.......

#109 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 02:51 PM | Reply

The brayings on a moron says, "Vance was 100% spot on calling it out."

I'm sure all deplorable Trumping MAGAts feel the same way.

That's how cults work.

That's what makes you such a good Nazi enabler.

#110 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:51 PM | Reply

you're the type of idiot who wouldn't be more than 10 feet away from him.

Is it cause I'm sitting next to the door he just entered through?

#111 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:52 PM | Reply

Vance was 100% spot on calling it out.

#107 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Vance didn't call out Putin.

You know, the fascist who has killed more than one-million people in Europe.

Neither do you call out Putin.

Europe was waiting for people like you and JD to get on the side of the Good Guys.

You didn't, and so now they are going to increase their defense budgets by $700 Billion dollaers.

#112 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 02:53 PM | Reply

-Further, who decides what is and isn't factual?

I trust myself to decide.

You don't trust yourself to manage anything.

Which is why you're here constantly whining about what you believe Bellringer does to you.

#113 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 02:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just stumbled across this tidbit

" Of course, Germany's massive censorship effort has done little to deter the thriving neo-Nazi movement. What it has done is chill the speech of ordinary citizens. One poll of German citizens found that only 18% of Germans feel free to express their opinions in public. Only 17% felt free to express themselves on the internet. "

nypost.com

This is what the left has been trying to bring to the US. Fortunately folks are really beginning to punch back on this side of the Atlantic.

#114 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:54 PM | Reply

-Is it cause I'm sitting next to the door he just entered through?

No, it's because you're never more than 10 feet from so you can hear everything he says and see everything he does.

You're obsessed with him, Clownswiftie

#115 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 02:55 PM | Reply

Which is why you're here constantly whining about what you believe Bellringer does to you.

Probably cause it's without consent.

Republicans love rape.

#116 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:55 PM | Reply

Vance was 100% spot on calling it out. These are western allies. They are moving away from longstanding western values. The speech was more of an appeal to their citizens who are being victimized by their leadership.

I hope he continues with this.

#107 | Posted by BellRinger

Vance went to the Munich Security Summit and whined about alleged assaults on free speech and didn't say a word on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Which is a bigger security problem, Russians military aggression of the fining of some religious nutbag near an abortion clinic?

Vance has never criticized Victor Orban for his assaults on free speech.

www.hrw.org

As an aside, why is ------- going to bat for sex trafficker Andrew Tate

www.ft.com

#117 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 02:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

-We didn't elect a Republican, either.

That's precisely the ONLY thing we did.

Nothing more.

#75 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Just silly.

Donald is a fascist and he is a dictator.

Kansas is shocked by that? Really?

Didn't really know what they were getting when they supported him?

What a sick joke.

#118 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 02:56 PM | Reply

it's because you're never more than 10 feet from so you can hear everything he says and see everything he does.

Your analogy sucks. I tried to help you by making it funny.

But you just doubled down on being stupid and angry.

Sorry I ruined your "stats page" thread.

Maybe you should go visit Boaz's Konservative Kry Klub and cry it out.

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:57 PM | Reply

What is amazing to me is how much the left has come to despise and vehemently oppose freedom of speech. FFS - when the left was a bunch of rag-tag hippies they were tremendous advocates for freedom speech.

#120 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:57 PM | Reply

Fortunately folks are really beginning to punch back on this side of the Atlantic.

#114 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

BELLRINGER the fascist hero.

#121 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 02:58 PM | Reply

" Republicans love rape.

#116 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2025-02-19 02:55 PM | FLAG: "

Rape, arson, murder and rape.

You said rape twice.

I like rape.

#122 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 02:59 PM | Reply

119

I'd rather stay here and watch you get raped.

#123 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 02:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just a reminder that jeff claims there was an assault by the biden administration on free speech, but
The Supreme Court ruled last year the US government can contact social media companies about mis- and disinformation swirling on their platforms, handing the Biden administration a major victory.

Iow jeff is a lying pos

#124 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 02:59 PM | Reply

What is amazing to me is how much the left has come to despise and vehemently oppose freedom of speech. FFS - when the left was a bunch of rag-tag hippies they were tremendous advocates for freedom speech.

#120 | Posted by BellRinger

No jeff, we just despise you cause you're a ------- fascist and we vehemently oppose fascists, like you

Cause you're a lying pos fascist.

#125 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Donald is a fascist and he is a dictator.

He's also a republican.

so, by default, he's a fascist and a dictator.

and a rapist and a racist.

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 03:00 PM | Reply

I like rape.

#122 | Posted by BellRinger a

Of course you do.

#127 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 03:01 PM | Reply

I'd rather stay here and watch you get raped.
#123 | POSTED BY EBERLY

The Kavanaugh special!

You really are a Republican.

#128 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:01 PM | Reply

"you're a ------- fascist. DDS"

-Twoothy

#129 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 03:02 PM | Reply

" Vance went to the Munich Security Summit and whined about alleged assaults on free speech and didn't say a word on the Russian invasion of Ukraine"

He explained why -he believes they have a bigger problem from within. And he methodically laid out his argument. Surely you disagree with him but he called it as he sees it.

#130 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 03:02 PM | Reply

Vance met with the new nazi party of Germany but not the Chancellor of Germany.

Vance expressed his fascist anti-freedom position clearly.

#131 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Of course you do.

#127 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-02-19 03:01 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

It was a quote from Blazing Saddles. But you don't possess a sense of humor ...

#132 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 03:04 PM | Reply

#130 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'd like you hear you condemn Putin and Orban.

You're online now. Shouldn't take you more than a second.

#133 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 03:04 PM | Reply

What's funny about BullBringer's trolling is, he loathes freedom of speech.

He's usually the first one to cheer on book bans, library closures, forcing the LGB community into the shadows and denying the existence of Transgenders.

His only real concern when it comes to free speech is that conservative should be able to spread as much hate as they want.

He was elated when Elon Musk removed the censors from Twitter and the use of the N-word Skyrocketed 500%.

That's the freedom he's looking for.

#134 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Vance met with the new nazi party of Germany but not the Chancellor of Germany"

Hell, BELLRINGER. Condemn that.

Any veteran of World War II would have no problems condemning it.

No, I understand that you didn't fight in World War II.

I just want to emphasize how far you've fallen.

#135 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 03:06 PM | Reply

They aren't a "Nazi party" you complete moron. They are characterized as such by elites desperately trying to hold power.

If you can show me where they are actually embracing any form of Nazi ideology please do so.

#136 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 03:07 PM | Reply

Donald is a fascist and he is a dictator.

He's also a republican.
so, by default, he's a fascist and a dictator.
and a rapist and a racist.
#126 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's interesting you feel the need to defend and downplay the horrible shht Trump's done.

Remember, you're pretending you don't support Trump.

At least keep the lie straight.

#137 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:08 PM | Reply

1 unnamed diplomat says we're an adversary and it's suddenly true?

Gee, when I said we have folks who root for this, I wasn't kidding.

#138 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 03:09 PM | Reply

They aren't a "Nazi party" you complete moron.

#136 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Then they are Nazi adjacent, if that makes you feel cleaner.

#139 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 03:10 PM | Reply

#140 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-19 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"the new nazi party of Germany"

I can imagine that rhetoric works in Germany.

Not here, although you wouldn't know that by the constant squawk of "Nazi" from the same tired boorish weaksauce losers.

#141 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 03:10 PM | Reply

Who's talking about the diplomat?

Is that who you've been talking about?

Weird, it seems like you've just been commenting an other posters comments.

#142 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:11 PM | Reply

#136 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You aren't going to condemn Putin, are you?

That should be as easy as falling off a log.

Tell you what----

I'd like to see you condemn Hitler.

You're online now.

Shouldn't take you more than a couple of seconds.

#143 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 03:11 PM | Reply

#140

Fkkk, that's the perfect description for BullBringer and our resident Deplorable Trumping MAGAts.

#144 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:12 PM | Reply

-It's interesting you feel the need to defend and downplay the horrible shht Trump's done.

I'm doing neither.

I'm just saying it's irrelevant to Zed and you. The "R" is the only qualifier for such labels. The rest of it just makes you feel better.

#145 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 03:13 PM | Reply

I'd like to see you condemn Hitler

He'd sooner say something nice about Obama than condemn Hitler.

#146 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:13 PM | Reply

" I'd like you hear you condemn Putin"

Putin is an ex-KGB thug of Communist Russia. Of course he's a POS. Now I'd love to see you condemn Communism. I bet you can't.

#147 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 03:14 PM | Reply

-Remember, you're pretending you don't support Trump.

picking on skinny weaklings like you and Zed has nothing to do with Trump.

#148 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 03:15 PM | Reply

I can imagine that rhetoric works in Germany.

Not here, although you wouldn't know that by the constant squawk of "Nazi" from the same tired boorish weaksauce losers.

LMAO! Yeah! What do those Germans know about Hitler and Nazis?

#149 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-19 03:16 PM | Reply

140

Is there a point to that other than to accuse anybody who disagrees with you a Nazi?

#150 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 03:17 PM | Reply

-What do those Germans know about Hitler and Nazis?

I wasn't talking about them.

#151 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 03:18 PM | Reply

The "R" is the only qualifier for such labels. The rest of it just makes you feel better.

Yea!

How dare anybody point out Trump is a racist, or that he's a rapist, or how his actions are turning our Democratic nation into an authoritarian state.

How dare anyone point out the JD Vance's speech to Europe was antagonizing and insulting.

This is just business as usual.

Hail Putin!

#152 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:19 PM | Reply

picking on skinny weaklings like you and Zed has nothing to do with Trump.
#148 | POSTED BY EBERLY

So you're just here to troll and obfuscate.

Now this is business as usual.

#153 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:22 PM | Reply

" He'd sooner say something nice about Obama than condemn Hitler.

#146 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2025-02-19 03:13 PM | FLAG: "

Hitler was a human monster. Pure evil. Obama is an ideological Chicago politics thug. He's not evil though. Not even close. No comparison between the 2.

#154 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 03:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eberly shows up to defend BullBringer, but ends up getting kicked around.

Just another day ending with "y".

#155 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:23 PM | Reply

-So you're just here to troll and obfuscate.

Yes, mostly on this thread.

#156 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 03:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Obama did. But then Fox's peers thoroughly denounced it and Obama backed off.

#86 | Posted by BellRinger

How did obama do that when it wasn't til 2021 that fox argued they're not news and shouldnt be trusted as such?

#157 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-19 03:27 PM | Reply

Hitler was a human monster. Pure evil. Obama is an ideological Chicago politics thug. He's not evil though. Not even close. No comparison between the 2.

#154 | Posted by BellRinger

Trump is a pure evil human monster too. Yet you spend every day defending him.

#158 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-19 03:27 PM | Reply

" How did obama do that when it wasn't til 2021 that fox argued they're not news and shouldnt be trusted as such?

#157 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2025-02-19 03:27 PM | FLAG: "

Obama attempted to kick Fox out of the press room.

Also Fox as a network didn't proclaim to be entertainment, just certain segments. The clip of a coin between Hannity and Maddow.

#159 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 03:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Trump is a pure evil human monster too. Yet you spend every day defending him.

#158 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2025-02-19 03:27 PM | FLAG: "

He's no Hitler. Or Mao. Or Stalin. Or Pol Pot.

#160 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 03:34 PM | Reply

"(Trump)'s no Hitler."

Not for lack of trying.

#161 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-19 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

FFS Danforth.

I'm hoping you are just joking.

#162 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 03:40 PM | Reply

why is ------- going to bat for sex trafficker Andrew Tate

He wants to buy Epstein Island.

#163 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-02-19 03:43 PM | Reply

Hitler was a human monster.

So is Trump.

But. He's your monster.

He's punishing the people you want punished and will destroy this nation to make it the way you've always imagined it.

Full of homogeny and conformity. The perfect aryan nation.

#164 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:45 PM | Reply

Trump is a Baby Hitler in training.

He's a wannabe, for Now.

Congress and the Republican party seem to want to Anoint him as the American Fuhrer.

They have no problem with an Imperial and Expansionist President.

As long as it's Trump.

What a Sad display of a Cult of Personality.

And Trump is Stupid.

Vance is more Dangerous. He's at least all there mentally.

And sadly,at 40 he's got the Vigor to be Really Dangerous.

Musk is a distraction. He's just a Sideshow. The real action is Trump consolidating the SCOTUS and the lower courts while Congress dithers Approvingly.

Our Republic needs Heroes now, not Greedy Toads looking for a cut of the Action.

The Regulatory State will be gutted and Congress will stand down.

War in 5he ME is coming to make Trump's Imperial Executive Ironclad.

We're Screwed.

#165 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-02-19 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama attempted to kick Fox out of the press room.
#159 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

I looked up your claim, and as expected, it's false.

Is anyone surprised that BullBringer brought the Bullshht?

www.snopes.com

#166 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:54 PM | Reply

" I'm hoping you are just joking."

I'm hoping people like you stop enabling him.

For example, how do you feel about loyalty questions on government job applications?

Should an applicant be asked if they believe J6 was a crime or a beautiful day? Should they be asked if the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump?

If you don't believe in filters like this, why aren't you jumping up and down and screaming?

Too busy enabling???

#167 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

U looked up your claim, and as expected, it's false.

Is anyone surprised that BullBringer brought the Bullshht?

www.snopes.com

Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 03:54 PM | Reply

I'm very surprised. Very surprised indeed.,........... NOT

#168 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-19 03:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now I'd love to see you condemn Communism. I bet you can't.

#147 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Communism killed a lot of people.

Nazism killed a lot of people.

MAGA has already killed a lot of people and is evidently hungry for more.

You do know that Trump is styling himself as "king" today.

#169 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 03:58 PM | Reply

Communism?

How 1920s of you.

#170 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 04:00 PM | Reply

Capitalism killed and continues to kill a lot of people. You pick your poison.

#171 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-19 04:00 PM | Reply

He's (Trump) no Hitler. Or Mao. Or Stalin. Or Pol Pot.

#160 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

All of them started off small.

You do know that Trump is styling himself as "king" today?

#172 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:01 PM | Reply

Vance is more Dangerous. He's at least all there mentally.

One of my big fears is Trump isn't around and Vance takes over.

#173 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-19 04:01 PM | Reply

" For example, how do you feel about loyalty questions on government job applications?"

I feel the same way about it as I've felt about mandated DEI loyalty pledges for position consideration in academia.

Hopefully that answered your question.

#174 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 04:02 PM | Reply

#160 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Now that you've condemned Hitler....

Condemn Putin.

That was the first thing you were asked to do.

#175 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:04 PM | Reply

" One of my big fears is Trump isn't around and Vance takes over.

#173 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2025-02-19 04:01 PM | FLAG: "

Where do you place him on the evil scale?

Hannibal Lecter
Pol Pot
Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Thanos
The demon from The Excorcist
Satan
Ted Cruz
DeSantis
Musk
Trump
Vance?

#176 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 04:08 PM | Reply

-One of my big fears is Trump isn't around and Vance takes over.

There it is

Every republican is the worst one of all time.

Until the next one comes along.

#177 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:08 PM | Reply

Apologies for putting evil lefty monster on the list.

#178 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 04:09 PM | Reply

" Condemn Putin.

That was the first thing you were asked to do.

#175 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2025-02-19 04:04 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

I did. Scroll up

#179 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 04:10 PM | Reply

" Every republican is the worst one of all time.

Until the next one comes along.
#177 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-02-19 04:08 PM | FLAG: "

100%

#180 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 04:11 PM | Reply

Every republican is the worst one of all time.

Until the next one comes along.

#177 | POSTED BY EBERLY

The existence of the Republic is at stake and EBERLY thinks....Well, he dismisses the crisis as a matter of simple bias.

I would LOVE some old-fashioned Republicans to help come save us.

A few of them have. And look what the fascists did to them.

#181 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:12 PM | Reply

#180 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Condemn Putin.

For extra points say something about why he deserves condemnation.

#182 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:13 PM | Reply

-Condemn Putin.

you're gonna find out he already did we're gonna find out you don't care, despite your repeated requests for such a condemnation.

#183 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:13 PM | Reply

-I would LOVE some old-fashioned Republicans to help come save us.

well, we know you can't take care of yourself.

At least you admit it.

#184 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:15 PM | Reply

I did. Scroll up

#179 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

Do it again.

#185 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:15 PM | Reply

Condemn Putin.

you're gonna find out he already did we're gonna find out you don't care

#183 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I scrolled up and didn't see it.

If BELLRINGER condemned Putin then he gets a 52 on his final rather than a 50.

He failed this test a long, long time ago.

#186 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:17 PM | Reply

see? I told you he wouldn't care you condemned Putin.

Condemn Putin
Condemn Putin
Condemn Putin

"I condemn Putin".

-That's not good enough!!!!

Zed just wants attention.

#187 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:18 PM | Reply

-I scrolled up and didn't see it.

You're incompetent.

#188 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:19 PM | Reply

| POSTED BY EBERLY

Do the people in Kansas know that Donald is styling himself as king?

I suppose we should be glad that he doesn't think he's Napoleon.

But I gather that in Kansas, sanity is not important to leadership.

#189 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:19 PM | Reply

Zed just wants attention.

#187 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Not just attention, EBERLY.

How about you send me some money?

#190 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:20 PM | Reply

You're incompetent.

#188 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You live in KANSAS.

#191 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:21 PM | Reply

Do the people in Kansas know that Donald is styling himself as king?

I suppose we should be glad that he doesn't think he's Napoleon.

But I gather that in Kansas, sanity is not important to leadership.

Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:19 PM | Reply

So far a lot of Kansas love him. There's a ton of MAGA flags flying. Wait until they really feel the pain that he has caused. That MIGHT change. Doubtful but you never know.

#192 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-19 04:23 PM | Reply

Are the Kansas references supposed to rile me?

Nobody cares I'm from Kansas. Nobody cares you're from Texas.

Nobody cares where you order all of your dolls from although I doubt they come from Kansas.

#193 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:23 PM | Reply

Zed

Scroll up. I honored your initial request. I'm not going to repeat myself over and over.

#194 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 04:24 PM | Reply

"Wait until they really feel the pain that he has caused. That MIGHT change"

Not that it matters much but I don't think the 6 electoral votes from Kansas is going anywhere away from the GOP.

#195 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:27 PM | Reply

I'm not going to repeat myself over and over.

#194 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The problem with that is that you're glad to repeat yourself over and over on your favored topics.

Just buck up and be an American. It's possible that you won't burst into flames.

By the way, do you know that Trump is stylizing himself as king?

While you're at it, condemn that.

#196 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:29 PM | Reply

Nobody cares you're from Texas.

#193 | POSTED BY EBERLY

In Norway, the slang for crazy is "Texas".

You should see what they compare Kansas to.

#197 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:31 PM | Reply

Are the Kansas references supposed to rile me?

#193 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Everyone knows that you have an Oceanic calm.

#198 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:32 PM | Reply

3berly reminds me of the Churches in Nazi Germany.

Slow to condemn Hitler no matter what he did..They Normalized Nazism from the Pulpit. Eberly thinks it's all Business as Usual. He's really,really, Not Convincing...He will say it's all Fine up until they drag him away.

If that sounds Extreme, talking about Annexing Canada and Greenland and Panama Isn't?

Hitler said out loud EXACTLY what he intended.

Stupid people Too Smart by Half dismissed it as Hyperbole.

Boy were they Wrong.

It's time to Resist. Blocking Interstates and Mass protest type resistance.

Embarrass Him publicly.

Strongmen Hate Ridicule More Than Anything.

It makes them.look Weak and Ridiculous...Which at Bottom, Dangerous has they are, is Effective.

Trump is a Blowhard. Pop his Bubble of Impunity And BS,... and he's the little man behind the curtain playing with the Mighty OZ.

#199 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-02-19 04:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Effetetrumpvoter reminds me of a German citizen who VOTED for Adolf Hitler.

Boy were they Wrong

#200 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:35 PM | Reply

Not that it matters much but I don't think the 6 electoral votes from Kansas is going anywhere away from the GOP.

Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:27 PM | Reply

Not a chance in hell that'll happen. Not in my lifetime at least.

#201 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-19 04:36 PM | Reply

200 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Oceanic; Olympian calm.

#202 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 04:37 PM | Reply

-I'm not going to repeat myself over and over.

Zed will.

He literally has nothing else to bring to this discussion

#203 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:37 PM | Reply

Also Fox as a network didn't proclaim to be entertainment, just certain segments. The clip of a coin between Hannity and Maddow.

#159 | Posted by BellRinger

When did maddow intentionally lie about imaginary election fraud until her audience supported a coup?

#204 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-19 04:40 PM | Reply

"Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) pledged to introduce legislation to track U.S. dollars designated for Ukraine in its war against Russia, after citing the possibility of corrupt spending under the Biden administration.

"It's time for a special inspector general dedicated to auditing EVERY PENNY spent on Ukraine," Hawley, a member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, wrote in a Tuesday post on the social platform X."

thehill.com

SO Trump sicced his lapdog Hawley on that little "Dictator", as he called him, from Ukraine.

One has to wonder why Trump is so afraid of Putin... why he sides with Vlad and Kim and Xi and every other authoritarian dictator around the world... so he can join their Democracy-Hating Boys Club?

#205 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 04:40 PM | Reply

-I would LOVE some old-fashioned Republicans to help come save us.

well, we know you can't take care of yourself.

At least you admit it.

#184 | Posted by eberly

How would a person who can take care of themselves go about addressing the fascist overthrow of democracy?

#206 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-19 04:41 PM | Reply

206

what do you mean by "addressing"?

commenting on blogs like we are.....or actually doing something?

#207 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:42 PM | Reply

"so he can join their Democracy-Hating Boys Club?"

I know Trump isn't afraid of the accusation but what I think he values most is being viewed as a deal-maker.

He believes that is what sets him apart.

#208 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 04:46 PM | Reply

What he values most is becoming like Musk... the richest man in the world.

Vlad and Elon are competing to have Trump as their steady bitch.

#209 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 04:50 PM | Reply

commenting on blogs like we are.....or actually doing something?

#207 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's doing something to confront Nazis where you find them, and they are found here.

But people like me have lives beyond this blog; lives where we are doing "something".

Completely legal somethings for, I'd say the next six months.

#210 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:00 PM | Reply

what I think he (Trump) values most is being viewed as a deal-maker.

#208 | POSTED BY EBERLY

MAGA calls him the God-Emperor.

That's what he wants to be.

#211 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:01 PM | Reply

#208 | POSTED BY EBERLY

This is what I think I do for you personally, EBERLY.

I inject a bit of human reality into your denialistic view of things.

Donald Trump is insane.

He is acting that way.

Disaster not only follows; it is here.

#212 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:03 PM | Reply

spending time here isn't doing anything. You're not confronting Nazis and even if you did, you aren't making an impact.


#213 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 05:04 PM | Reply

spending time here isn't doing anything.

I'm sure it is.

#214 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 05:10 PM | Reply

Eberly is a Stupid Bitch.

Singing the Horst Wessel Lied. He's a Nazi himself. He lies about it but that Bitch is Maga to the Core.

#215 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-02-19 05:11 PM | Reply

You're not confronting Nazis

#213 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Nazis come here.

You have to be willful not to notice.

#216 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:11 PM | Reply

you aren't making an impact.

#213 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Saving the country is going to require some sacrifice. That prospect honestly scares me.

It may shortly be time to see if I'm a brave man.

Unlike Some.

#217 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:14 PM | Reply

"Nazis come here"

And I come here

I must be a Nazi.

But you can't name one

Effetetrumpvoter wishes he were a Nazi.

Not even they'll take him.

#218 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 05:15 PM | Reply

One of my big fears is Trump isn't around and Vance takes over.
#173 | POSTED BY YAV

Vance won't be able to carry the party like Trump does.

He's just your average MAGAt politician who was lucky enough to be selected by Trump.

He's no different than Cruz or DeSantis or Abbott.

They may play well to their local crowds, but they don't have the appeal Trump does.

DeSantis learned that the hard way when he tanked during the primaries and had his backsides handed to him by Newsom during the debate they had.

#219 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 05:15 PM | Reply

But you can't name one (Nazis)

#218 | POSTED BY EBERLY

But I have named one.

Scroll up-thread.

You want me to repeat myself?

I understand that that's a bad thing.

#220 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:16 PM | Reply

Sacrifice?

I'm sure you're hoping it's someone else who makes a sacrifice.

#221 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 05:16 PM | Reply

-You want me to repeat myself?

nope. I'll go with my statement.

You can't name one.

#222 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 05:19 PM | Reply

I'm sure you're hoping it's someone else who makes a sacrifice.

#221 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Hell, EBERLY.

I'm hoping to die peacefully in my bed.

Have you ever had any truly bad thing happen to you?

All men fear life's realities.

I'm no different.

But if I have to suffer, I want to suffer as a man.

You'll have to make the same choice, unless God intervenes.

#223 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:20 PM | Reply

You can't name one.

#222 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Maybe if I condemn Hitler I can wriggle out of this.

#224 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:21 PM | Reply

-Have you ever had any truly bad thing happen to you?

never

no loss of any kind. No setbacks of any kind.

Bell thinks you need a therapist.

I don't know about that. Maybe what you really need is for what you fear to happen.......to actually happen.

#225 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 05:29 PM | Reply

-All men fear life's realities.

realities....yes.

Zed's delusions?

It would take an army to separate the 2 because there are actual realities to fear.

#226 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 05:30 PM | Reply

because there are actual realities to fear.

#226 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're free to tell us what you're afraid of.

After all, I went first.

#227 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:32 PM | Reply

#226 | POSTED BY EBERLY

If Trump signs an Executive Order declaring himself king, how are you going to handle that?

#228 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:33 PM | Reply

-Have you ever had any truly bad thing happen to you?

Never
no loss of any kind. No setbacks of any kind

What?

I know that's not true.

#229 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"no loss of any kind. No setbacks of any kin"

Funny man.

#230 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 05:44 PM | Reply

Eberly doesn't appear to be a satisfied unless he's in a personal pissing contest with someone, anyone, about anything, on these threads.

He's not the only one, but he's one of the usual suspects.

#231 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 06:07 PM | Reply

Zed,

You are completely off your rocker. Holy heck. Wow.

#232 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 06:23 PM | Reply

BullBringer,

The fact you think your views aren't extreme is why America is falling behind the rest of the world.

Do America a favor and go live with the Amish, take your fellow deplorable Trumping MAGAts with you.

#233 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 06:35 PM | Reply

You are completely off your rocker. Holy heck. Wow.

#232 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

My views follow current events.

Your views follow "Mein Kampf".

#234 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-19 06:43 PM | Reply

after reading this thread you can chalk up fascist up there with racist for having lost all of it's teeth.

#235 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-02-19 07:46 PM | Reply

Zed believes I'm a genocidal Nazi. This is pure insanity. I've been advocating therapy but maybe a padded room is what is needed. Wow. So sad.

#236 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 07:50 PM | Reply

after reading this thread you can chalk up fascist up there with racist for having lost all of it's teeth.
#235 | POSTED BY KWRX25

I doubt fascism or Nazis ever bothered you.

I mean. They're not as bad as people who say, "Happy Holidays", or people who ask you to address them by specific pronouns.

#237 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 07:54 PM | Reply

Trumpers haven't been bothered about racists or fascists since they sold their souls for a red cap.

Made in China.

#238 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 07:54 PM | Reply

Zed believes I'm a genocidal Nazi.

You're not the genocidal type.

You're more of the type to sit at home and support the actions of genocidal Nazis because you hate immigrants and the LGBTQ.

#239 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 07:58 PM | Reply

Here is the thing.

If we lived in Germany and you all made the same claims - that I'm a Nazi - you'd be arrested and charged with a crime - hate speech. Way to make Vance's point for him.

#240 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 07:59 PM | Reply

Normally if someone slandered me with a Nazi label I would tell them to literally ---- their own face. But Zed doesn't do it from malice. He does it from clinical insanity. So I feel pity for him.

#241 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 08:04 PM | Reply

If we lived in Germany

If we lived in Germany, you'd be arrested for supporting Nazis.

#242 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 08:08 PM | Reply

I was joking about the loss/setbacks in my life.

I've experienced plenty. I'm lucky and blessed but not without setbacks and loss. Real stuff

#243 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 08:26 PM | Reply

-If Trump signs an Executive Order declaring himself king, how are you going to handle that?

I've already taken steps in the event things go off the rails.

Personally, professionally, financially

How are YOU going to handle that?

#244 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 08:28 PM | Reply

" I was joking about the loss/setbacks in my life.

I've experienced plenty. I'm lucky and blessed but not without setbacks and loss. Real stuff

#243 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-02-19 08:26 PM | FLAG: "

Same. I made a huge mistake of sharing a personal one on this site - my dad's death.

#245 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 08:29 PM | Reply

-Zed believes I'm a genocidal Nazi.

I'm gonna keep that one afloat for a while.

I'll remind him and clown and corky constantly while they are conversing with you in the future.

You are a genocidal Nazi.

And this is the funny part ... ... . twoothy thinks less of you than those guys!!!!

LOL

They think this place is a large pity party contest and they are seeking some sort of prize for throwing the biggest temper tantrum.

You and I are the judges.

#246 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 08:35 PM | Reply

Why was it a mistake?

Were you mocked for it?

I only questioned Eb's statement because he once shared a pretty tragic life event.

I shared my deepest condolences and have never brought it up since.

I was just caught off guard by that statement. Though. I had an inclination you weren't being serious.

I've shared plenty about myself over the years.

I have no regrets.

#247 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 08:38 PM | Reply

245

I offered up I have 2 daughters.

They got called ----- here eventually. I wasn't even using them to make a point.

#248 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 08:38 PM | Reply

You are a genocidal Nazi.

No he's not. You should read my post more clearly.

BullBringer would never get his hands dirty.

But.

He supports those who would.

Not every Nazi killed a Jew.

Many simply cheered.

#249 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 08:40 PM | Reply

"I shared my deepest condolences and have never brought it up since."

I think most posters are similar. It's the small number of psychos here who take it too far.

#250 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 08:42 PM | Reply

But Bell it at least a full fledged bona fide Nazi, right?

#251 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 08:47 PM | Reply

He definitely gets ----- floods for Nazis. Full fledged one's for sure!

#252 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 08:49 PM | Reply

It's hard to keep straight

Racist
Nazi
Anti-Semite
Bigot
Fascist
Homophobe

#253 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 08:54 PM | Reply

I think most posters are similar.

Yea. There's definitely common ground on a lot of subjects and topics.

Politics isn't one of them and reading people support the actions of the current administration is understandably infuriating.

Not to mention the brigade of trolls who show up just to antagonize and annoy.

Your boy Bell being the most reliable agitator.

#254 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 08:56 PM | Reply

" Why was it a mistake?

Were you mocked for it?"

Every single time Reinhegetbot addresses me it's "Patricide Jeff" followed by accusing me of killing my dad with horse paste.

Beginning of May 2022 both of my parents caught Covid. Both had followed the vax schedule and both had 4 shots over a period of 18 months. Their symptoms weren't serious. Weeks later I vacationed with them over Memorial Day and both were fine. 3 weeks later, at a grad party my dad looked like crap. 2 days later we checked him into the ER. He had a good recovery and got moved to a rehab facility to transition him back home. He declined and when was checked back in was close to death. My wife and I were vacationing with friends 4 hours away. We cut the trip short and got to the hospital just before he died. He wasn't conscious but we were able to talk to him before he passed. He wasn't prescribed Ivermectin and he never took it.

The only reason I'm sharing this now is because it's already out there. The first time I shared it was about a year after his passing and I was hurting. Danforth was the epitome of class in recognizing my pain at the time.

Reinhegetsbot works himself into a masurbatory frenzy rubbing my dad's death in my face every single time he responds to one of my posts. And he lies while doing so.

That is why I say I made a mistake in sharing thst.

#255 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 08:58 PM | Reply

#253- that's difficult? That's funny.

#256 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-19 08:59 PM | Reply

Rein is a scumbag, jeff. I'm sorry.

#257 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-02-19 09:01 PM | Reply

I'm still laughing over that post Eb. Let's do a little reality check:

Nazi:
Racist? Check!
Anti-Semite? Check!
Bigot? Check!
Fascist? Check!
Homophobe? Check!

Why look at that!

Not sure what there is to be confused about.

#258 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-19 09:03 PM | Reply

You're saying I'm all those things?

#259 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 09:06 PM | Reply

#255 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

That's sucks. Losing parents has to be one of the most difficult moments in life (probably only second to losing kids)((not that I'm trying to make this a comparison.))

I hope you've had time to process and come to peace with your loss.

It's a silly statement, that loved ones live on within us, but it's true, every time we speak of a lost loved one or think of them, they live for that moment within us.

We may never agree on politics. But we're all humans and life isn't always easy. Hope you and your family are well.

#260 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 09:09 PM | Reply

" I'm sorry.

#257 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2025-02-19 09:01 PM | REPLY"

Thank you.

#261 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 09:11 PM | Reply

Rein is a scumbag, jeff.

I don't know. I agree, he's wrong for using personal stories shared to attack the person who shared them.

But he's treating posters here as two dimensional characters, not everyone is taking the time to see everyone as dynamic beings.

Which. Makes it easier when you want to just unload anger at an anonymous poster.

#262 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 09:13 PM | Reply

" #260 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2025-02-19 09:09 PM | FLAG: "

Thank you for the kind and thoughtful comment.

#263 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 09:13 PM | Reply

Rein is easy to plonk because nobody talks to him anyway.

And he's a complete POS

#264 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 09:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You know who's shared the most about themselves and gets attacked for it, Laura.

I'm not sure if I'd have been as courageous, not just on the DR, but in real life.

Transgender people are some of the strongest people on earth.

That's why they'll survive all the bullshht.

#265 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jesus, Bell is a goddam Jew hating Nazi. Not a good person.

Apparently so am I along with a ---- ton of other flaws.

I mean ... ..I'm annoying and passive aggressive, etc. but that's boring.

Stick to the good stuff. Racist, fascist, homophobe.

That's a lot of work I'm putting in to be so despicable

#266 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 09:25 PM | Reply

Jews?

They won't replace BullBringer.

#267 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 09:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Patricide Jeff is the racist pos who claimed ivermectin was a game changer. What a scumbag.

#268 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-19 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Magat scum will be shocked, SHOCKED, when Germany builds nuclear bombs.

And wonder how we got there.

#269 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Reinhegetsbot works himself into a masurbatory frenzy rubbing my dad's death in my face every single time he responds to one of my posts. And he lies while doing so.

That is why I say I made a mistake in sharing thst.

#255 | Posted by BellRinger

TH: I'm just gonna put this out there.

So Zed and Truth have completely lost their grips on reality... wow.

#41 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-02-19 10:25 AM

Hopefully it will lead to their suicides, but unfortunately, they are ------- and the whining will continue.

#47 | Posted by fortfisher

#270 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-19 10:04 PM | Reply

Yeah, not very nice.

#271 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 10:29 PM | Reply

Eberly,
I was simply saying what characteristics are common, even define "nazi."
Are all people that are bigots Nazis? No.
And down the list -

But I'm not kidding myself about the percentages of Americans that want a fascist government.
I'm not kidding myself or "sane washing" those that blame Jews, blame "the others", including the ones that sit in the WH and at the Naval Observatory.

Tolerating this is not going to work.

#272 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-19 10:38 PM | Reply

I don't know what you're talking about Yav.

#273 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 10:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Tolerating this is not going to work.

Whatever you're doing now is all that's going to happen.

What in gods name do you think you can do?

#274 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 10:43 PM | Reply

"But I'm not kidding myself ... ... "

You're in such turmoil.

Believe everyone around you is out to get you but you're not kidding yourself?

Get off the internet. For a while at least.

This paranoia is getting serious with some of you.

#275 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-19 10:52 PM | Reply

"Hopefully it will lead to their suicides, but unfortunately, they are ------- and the whining will continue.

#47 | Posted by fortfisher

#270 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-02-19 10:04 PM | FLAG: "

Yep, bad. Now do LGH. and heck, do yourself.

#276 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-19 11:47 PM | Reply

But I'm not kidding myself about the percentages of Americans that want a fascist government.

You kind of are.

#277 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 12:02 AM | Reply

I was joking about the loss/setbacks in my life.

LOL Even I understood that.

#278 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 12:06 AM | Reply


Magat scum will be shocked, SHOCKED, when Germany builds nuclear bombs.
And wonder how we got there.

#269 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

I won't wonder, Iran built them.

#279 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 12:08 AM | Reply

when Germany builds nuclear bombs.

I'd suggest all NATO members should build them, other than the fact that the are essentially useless and really expensive to maintain.

#280 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-02-20 12:29 AM | Reply

I won't wonder, Iran built them.

#279 | Posted by oneironaut

Not yet.

Under Donald's watch.

#281 | Posted by Zed at 2025-02-20 07:47 AM | Reply

Believe everyone around you is out to get you but you're not kidding yourself?

You are the one bringing that nonsense to this discussion. I'm surrounded by people I trust and love. I have friends that voted for Trump. They don't (yet?) see the danger. I do. This has been a long slide. It really became noticeable (to me) with the trumped up Iraq nonsense. I knew that Al Qaeda had given the US the perfect excuse to do what it had wanted to do.

This paranoia is getting serious with some of you.

Paranoia is unjustified suspicion and mistrust. You'd have to be a blind idiot not to see what's going on is real, a threat to our very nation. We watch it happen in other nations. You pretend it can't happen here.

I get that that's scary and you feel powerless. Best you hide away. Find that safe space.

#282 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-20 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You kind of are.

Nope.

#283 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-20 11:40 AM | Reply

This paranoia is getting serious with some of you.
#275 | POSTED BY EBERLY

This administration is operating on fear. This is the result of using fear as a tactic.

Also ... Just because you think someone is out to get you does not mean they are NOT out to get you.

Trumpy is obviously out to get a few pounds of lib flesh.

"I am your justice .. I am your revenge and retribution."
-The Madhatter who would be King

#284 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-02-20 12:18 PM | Reply

Iran built [nukes].
#279 | POSTED BY CONSPIRACYNUT

Doubtful.

I've been told several times, right here on the DR, that if Iran got nukes, they'd launch them at Israel.

So. Gotta assume they don't have any yet.

#285 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-20 02:14 PM | Reply

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