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Monday, March 17, 2025

Not a single president in the history of the United States has ever asserted the authority to unilaterally deport someone outside of the procedures set by Congress until now.

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Holy crap. The DOJ is arguing that the President can unilaterally deport anyone he wants without ANY statutory authority, just on his inherent authority as President over national security. That is a terrifying claim to make and not one that has ever been recognized before in US history.

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-- Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@reichlinmelnick.bsky.social) March 15, 2025 at 4:12 PM

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More: Top Trump administration officials"including the president, vice president, attorney general, and secretary of state"openly celebrated the deportation of hundreds of Venezuelan immigrants over the weekend in defiance of a federal judge's order to halt the removals, which were carried out under a 1798 law that plainly states it is only operative in the context of a declared war.

U.S. Vice President JD Vance wrote late Sunday that "there were violent criminals and rapists in our country" and "President [Donald] Trump deported them." There was no due process for the more than 200 Venezuelans whom the Trump administration claims are gang members.

Vance's social media post, which came in response to reporting about the White House's acknowledgment that it ignored the court order blocking the deportations, was met with disgust and alarm.

"You are beyond vile," political scientist Norman Ornstein wrote. "You have no idea if the ones that were picked up and sent illegally to an El Salvador prison are all violent criminals. You abused the plain language of the law, gave them no due process, and defied a legitimate court order. This is American Gestapo."

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2025-03-17 11:52 AM | Reply

Expect more of this in the future. Especially if it isn't stopped now.

Any criticism of Israel will be illegal. Anti Semetic, you know.

American civil rights and civic freedoms are of less importance than the feelings of mass killers and their supporters.

NEVER AGAIN only Applies to Jews,Palestinians are Subhuman VERMIN to bre Annihilated for Fun and Profit.

Don't complain, your Masters Will Be Offended and we can't have THAT.

On your knees before your Master's, little people.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-03-17 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#2 ... On your knees before your Master's, little people. ...

... and is the "Master" your comment refers to your apparent Master, Pres Putin?

Is your current alias' comment just an acknowledgement that Pres Putin now seems to control Pres Trump?



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Related ...

Judges raise concerns about threats to independence amid criticism of decisions, calls for impeachment (March 11, 2025)
www.cbsnews.com

... A pair of federal judges warned Tuesday of continued threats against members of the judiciary amid criticism leveled by Elon Musk and threats of impeachment by Republicans in Congress. They warned such attacks strike at judicial independence.

Judges Jeffrey Sutton and Richard Sullivan, who sit on the federal appeals courts, raised concerns about the increase in threats against judges in a call with reporters hosted by the Judicial Conference, the policymaking body for the federal judiciary.

Sullivan, who chairs the committee on judicial security, said the protection of judges and federal courthouses around the country is a top priority for the judiciary and recent cuts to the U.S. Marshals Service's budget is a concern. The agency provides security for federal courts and judges.

"Our system of government is premised on three independent branches and a judiciary that can function independently," he said. "That's what makes it work, and so it's crucial that people understand that." ...


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sternly worded letters aren't going to make them comply. Are they going to make the Executive Branch arrest itself?

#5 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-03-17 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lex Rex... the Law is King, not Rex Lex where the King is Law.

Which is the very basis of constitutionalism.

www.google.com

Unless of course one is in a cult, then nothing else matters.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-17 08:19 PM | Reply

@#5 ... Are they going to make the Executive Branch arrest itself? ...

Yeah, that is my huge concern here.

Let's say that the Judicial Branch decided at some point that the Executive Branch is not following court orders.

Then, what happens?

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 08:40 PM | Reply

"Then, what happens?"

We'll find out soon enough.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-17 08:41 PM | Reply

Max Kennerly @maxkennerly.bsky.social

The DOJ is arguing, on behalf of the President, that the President can scoop up anyone, put them on an airplane, and then no laws apply because no court has jurisdiction.

Whether the person is a citizen wouldn't change that because there's no point they could even tell a court they're a citizen.

bsky.app

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-17 08:48 PM | Reply

Joyce White Vance
@joycewhitevance.bsky.social

If the Supreme Court ultimately agrees with what the gov't is arguing today, that the President has broad Article II powers that would permit it to deport people & there can be no judicial review, then literally no one is safe.

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-17 09:05 PM | Reply

@#10 ... II powers that would permit it to deport people & there can be no judicial review, then literally no one is safe. ...

Yup.

Literally, no one.

My understanding ... these deportations of the "Venezuelan gang members" was done because they were "suspected" to be members of that gang.

No proof seemed to be offered.

They apparently were just "suspected" of being members of that gang.


So, if the Trump administration wins this court case, then anyone who is "suspected" of being a gang member can be deported?

What has Pres Trump said about his political opponents?


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 09:20 PM | Reply

Manic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next (1998)
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Lyrics excerpt ...
genius.com

...
The future teaches you to be alone
The present to be afraid and cold
So if I can shoot rabbits
Then I can shoot fascists
Bullets for your brain today
But we'll forget it all again
Monuments put from pen to paper
Turns me into a gutless wonder

[Chorus]
And if you tolerate this, then your children will be next
And if you tolerate this, then your children will be next
Will be next, will be next, will be next
...

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 10:01 PM | Reply

Just a couple of days ago, y'all were bitching that Trump wasn't deporting them as fast as he promised.

#13 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-17 10:11 PM | Reply

"...y'all were bitching that Trump wasn't deporting them as fast as he promised."

Remind us when he said he'd violate due process, and ignore the courts. Which campaign speech?

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-03-17 10:33 PM | Reply


@#13 ... ust a couple of days ago, y'all were bitching that Trump wasn't deporting them as fast as he promised. ...

And your current alias' point is?

... that Pres Trump should just randomly round up and deport people in order to meet his campaign promises?

Is that how your current alias wants Pres Trump to meet his campaign promises?



#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 10:37 PM | Reply

5th Amendment

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

No longer applicable

Thanks magat scum. You destroyed our country

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-17 10:37 PM | Reply

No person shall be ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; ...

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-17 10:39 PM | Reply

No person shall be ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; .

No person shall be ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; .

No person shall be ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; .

No person shall be ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; .

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-17 10:39 PM | Reply

A whole lot of people need to be thrown in jail for contempt over this.
No fines. No warnings. No stark words.
Arrested and thrown in prison.
Now.

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-17 10:41 PM | Reply

Another view ...

'Oopsie, too late' - US courts tested by Trump's latest deportations
www.bbc.com

... On Saturday, the US government put hundreds of Venezuelans on planes which swiftly took off for the accused gang members' ultimate destination: an El Salvadorean mega-prison.

A judge then ordered the planes back, telling the government's lawyers verbally that they should do so "however that's accomplished " whether turning around the plane or not."

But the court order was never heeded, the planes stayed the course.

"Oopsie ... too late," El Salvador's president, Nayib Bukele, posted on X after the deportees landed in his country. He included an emoji crying with laughter. The post was reshared by the White House's director of communications, Steven Cheung.

Little information has been provided about the identities of those detained, but a large number were Venezuelan and the Trump administration alleges the deportees -- apparently rounded up at the weekend -- are all members of Tren de Aragua, a notorious transnational criminal gang.

Attorneys for some of the deportees refute that claim and human rights groups have raised concerns about the lack of due process.

This incident has ignited fears that the White House is willing to openly defy a federal court order, setting it on a potential collision course with America's judicial branch.

In America's system of government checks and balances, federal courts in the judicial branch have the responsibility of reviewing actions by the president and the government agencies in the executive branch tasked with enacting laws passed by Congress. An order issued by a judge is binding - and noncompliance can result in civil and criminal sanctions.

It very rarely gets that far, however, as involved parties traditionally defer to a judge's ruling. ...



#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 10:42 PM | Reply

@#20 ... the lack of due process ...

Yup.

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 10:43 PM | Reply

#20 - that POS Marco Rubio reXhitted that "Oopsie... too late" tweet.

Marco's a traitor to our nation.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-17 10:45 PM | Reply

A whole lot of people need to be thrown in jail for contempt over this.
No fines. No warnings. No stark words.
Arrested and thrown in prison.
Now.

#19 | POSTED BY YAV A

Who exactly will enforce that?

Americans are getting a lesson in civics equivalent to an unexpected prostate exam

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-17 10:48 PM | Reply

" A whole lot of people need to be thrown in jail for contempt over this.
No fines. No warnings. No stark words.
Arrested and thrown in prison.
Now.

#19 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2025-03-17 10:41 PM | FLAG: "

When Biden bragged about defying SCOTUS (in this case we are talking about a single federal judge with an ideological axe to grind, not SCOTUS) over student loan forgiveness, you all cheered it on.

In this case the flight reversal directive occurred when the planes were over international waters. Now, at least temporarily, any future flights need to be stayed that are applicable until this can work its way through the courts. I thought it was a mistake to invoke the 200 year old law (which requires a congressional declaration of war to be enacted) when the statutory authority to do this is already there. Unforced error by this administration.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-17 11:04 PM | Reply

In this case the flight reversal directive occurred when the planes were over international waters.

So what?

#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-17 11:10 PM | Reply

@#24 ... When Biden bragged about defying SCOTUS ...

Got a link?

thx.

#26 | Posted by lamplighter at 2025-03-17 11:16 PM | Reply

@#24 ... In this case the flight reversal directive occurred when the planes were over international waters. ...

That's what Pres Trump's Press Secretary said.

But Pres Trump's Press Secretary has also said that his crowd was the largest ever.

So, what to believe?

The legal issue at hand, as I understand it, and I am not a lawyer ...

The Judge issued a verbal order saying the deportation flights should return to the US.

But then, later, the Judge issues a written order, basically saying the same thing.

But, again, from what I understand, and I am not a lawyer ...

A written order from a Judge negates the verbal order from that Judge.

So, if a plane to deport people to Venezuela departs between the issuance of those two orders, the written order takes effect.

But that written order may not be effectual because the plane is already out of US airspace.

Again, I am not a lawyer.

All I try to do is make sense of all of this ....




#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 11:30 PM | Reply

Read where some Rep in Congress is starting impeachment proceedings against the judge and Musk applauding.

#28 | Posted by rosemountbomber at 2025-03-18 01:05 AM | Reply

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