I am aware this will be difficult for some atheists and far-left individuals as soon as they hear any sort of defense of Christians. I will repost something I wrote earlier on this subject.

Zed,

"We have this one poster who argues I should be terrified of Islam as a threat to Western Civilization."

Right now, atheists and Muslims may not see themselves as being in direct conflict. In Western politics, they may find themselves on the same side in opposition to traditional Christian and Jewish influence.

Just wait.

I think that alliance will become much harder to maintain as Islamic influence grows in Western institutions and communities.

How will atheist parents react if their children start coming home from school praising Islamic beliefs or bringing Islamic religious practices into their homes?

Think that can't happen?

At present, Islam is often far more assertive than modern Christianity about maintaining visible religious practices and seeking accommodations for them in public life.

Some of the people who currently regard Christianity as the greater religious threat, may eventually find themselves confronting a religious culture whose expectations are considerably less compatible and more objectionable to their own secular beliefs. Muslim values are stricter than what they are accustomed to.

Also, Christianity in America generally does not require public rituals performed several times a day that can affect everyone around them. Islam has practices that many Muslims regard as religious obligations, and American religious freedom laws can require governments and institutions to make reasonable accommodations for those practices.

Right now, secular people may be saying, "Why should I worry?"

Some of the same secular people who strongly defend Islamic religious accommodations today may eventually conclude that what they regarded as harmless accommodations was a Trojan horse.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-08-08 04:58 PM | Reply

Db,

"Makes me a good Christian."

No...it just makes me a Christian.

Db,

"Same way all of the pastors I've known"

How did you come to meet and know so many Pastors and their personal feelings?

Monson,

What do you think about what's happening in Dearborn?

Zed,

I don't see me and you as being at war.

We are sharing viewpoints.

There is a growing conflict in America just like is happening in other countries.

Long standing national identities are losing to aggressive Muslim tactics to setup their culture instead.

The reason I started this thread is to show an example of what is actually occuring here in America. This isn't hypothetical. Their anti-American beliefs are a genuine threat to the American way of life.

It's not about hating Islam.

It's about radical Islam hating me and you.

One,

"Melbourne Airport has revealed it has Unisex Toilets but Gender Segregated Islamic Prayer Rooms"

What's to stop other people from using those rooms for other purposes?

Maybe someone should use one for an ordinary snack break and challenge any rule reserving it exclusively for religious use.

If the authorities remove or arrest that person, it could create an interesting court case.

One,

It must feel a little strange for some people to feel threatened by a religion other than Christianity.

Pump,

"if a foreign Muslim leader came to America and walked into the halls of Congress and got a extended standing ovation from 95% of those assembled while being guaranteed by those assembled to continue receiving billions and billions of dollars of military aid in order to continue a genocide being committed halfway around the world, then I might start to be concerned about a Muslim takeover of the US"

You're looking at it all wrong.

When it affects your daily life or the life's of people you care about, you'll understand what I'm saying.

Db,

It's short sighted thinking disregarding long term consequences is what creates so many problems.

I'm thinking less and less of you the more you post.

I think you're a bunch of hot air.

Db,

"I'm about the only person here who asks you questions to let you try to explain yourself."

You're not the first.

Read if you want another perspective...

America needs to confront radical Islam as a political movement before it gains any more influence here.

The country should unite against anyone attempting to place Sharia above the Constitution.

We need to recognize it for what it is.

It is an enemy of the Constitution operating right here, right now.

It is an ideology fundamentally opposed to constitutional government and one that is gaining influence here at home, on American soil.

For the sake of our children and the country they will inherit, spread the word.

Get involved.

"Enough is enough."

Clown,

"That's what evangelicals and MAGA want to do with America."

You keep believing that nonsense.

Learn a little about the history of Christianity.

Christianity is one of the more progressive religions working for good on this planet. It is a living, dynamic faith that has continued to shape societies, challenge injustice, and change the way people think about human dignity for nearly two thousand years.

That doesn't mean Christians always live up to their teachings or beliefs. Obviously, they haven't.

But compare Christianity's capacity for reform with religious groups that still defend practices rooted in centuries old ideas about the treatment of women, minorities, and those who question the faith.

Seriously, read something about Christianity beyond the stereotypes.

Christians aren't perfect.

But they worship a Man who is.

Snoofy,

Nope...Nothing is above the Constitution.

Lee,

"If you're Arab, if you're Muslim, you are my brother and sister and countrymen."

Being fellow countrymen does not mean everyone else must accept having one group's religious practices broadcast into their homes.

Muslims began forming a community in Dearborn during the 1920s, and the "American Moslem Society" established its Dearborn mosque in 1938. The Society's current website claims that its outdoor loudspeakers began operating in 2004. Reporting, however, proves they were operating as early as 1979.

The mosque was broadcasting the Islamic call to prayer over outdoor loudspeakers five times a day beginning at 5:30 in the morning. Residents said it could be heard half a mile away.

That history illustrates the point of this thread. As they have grown in numbers and political influence, they have begun pushing their worship and culture onto everyone else. Private worship is a constitutional right. Broadcasting a religious declaration throughout the entire neighborhood forces nonbelievers to listen, whether they wish to or not.

Muslims have the same constitutional rights as Christians, Jews and everyone else. They do not have a special right to ignore noise laws or require an entire neighborhood to accommodate their prayer schedule. Neither does any other religion.

America should welcome people who want to become Americans while retaining their personal faith and heritage. But assimilation also means accepting that public life is governed by the Constitution and laws applied equally to everyone. Bringing your culture to America is one thing. But expecting everyone to submit to your religious practices is another.

We need to nip this in the bud now before they become politically entrenched in American society.

Other countries demonstrate how difficult such demands become to reverse once government officials are afraid or politically unwilling to say no.

The call to prayer is only one example of religious practices and demands being pushed beyond the Muslim community and imposed upon the public. Read this entire thread and follow the links for further examples and supporting information.

Db,

Huh????

North Korea?

Db,

"Jesus is irrelevant to you."

I see absolutely no reason to answer any of your questions since you've already judged me.

You're not interested in my opinions. You want me to defend myself.

Why do I need to defend myself to you?

Dan,

As a Christian, I accept that America has no state religion.

America is not governed by laws extracted from the Bible, the Quran, or any other religious book.

That works both ways.

My secular political views about America are not necessarily governed by my religious beliefs.

Christians do not get to impose biblical law on everyone else, and Muslims should not get to impose Sharia law on everyone else.

There are radical Islamist movements that openly advocate bringing Sharia into government and public life. That is what concerns me.

Muslims are free to practice their religion in their mosques, in their homes, and publicly, just as Christians are free to practice and express their faith. But religious freedom does not mean the right to impose religious law or religious requirements on everyone else. I'm not referring to simply letting people know your faith.

Christians have had generations in America for the boundaries between religion and government to be fought over, challenged in the courts, and defined. Living in a pluralistic society means coexisting with other religions and with people who have no religion at all.

Muslims in America have the same religious freedom, but they also have to accept the same constitutional limits. Some Muslims come from countries where Islam has a much greater role in government and public life. That doesn't carry over to America. Here, when religious demands cross constitutional boundaries, the courts will determine where those boundaries are.

When any religious group pushes beyond those limits and attempts to use government to impose its religious beliefs on others, the courts will remind them where those limits are.

My concern is that some Americans who are strongly anti-Christian and anti-Israel may become so eager to oppose Christians and Jews that they excuse or support demands from Islamic groups that they would never tolerate from Christians.

And one day they may realize that acquiescing to those demands was a big mistake.

Db,

"because like you, they also appear very angry about something"

Again...you have now decided I am angry.

If you read these threads, you'll see it the liberals who are the most angry.

I'm not usually angry.

Right now I'm not angry.

When I am angry it's more obvious.

Db,

"A complete no-brainer that any Christian would want to answer most willingly"

That's what concerns me.

It's the "no-brainer" part I worry about since that is what I see coming from you.

Not really thinking.

Dan,

"And there are radical Christian movements who believe husbands should be able to strike their wives, and every household should have only ONE vote: the man's. Frankly, neither will get any traction."

There are radical Christian groups that hold those beliefs and I oppose them. If Christians demanded that husbands be legally permitted to strike their wives or that women lose their individual voting rights, I would fight those demands just as vigorously. At present, however, it is highly unlikely that they will be petitioning the courts to have either belief legally recognized.

We don't protect constitutional rights by waiting until a movement has enough power to take them away. We proactively protect those rights by confronting unconstitutional demands while they are still developing and applying the same laws to every religion.

Pointing to Christian extremism does not answer concerns about Islamic extremism.

It confirms why every religious movement seeking power over other people must be opposed .

Dan,

"Christmas is a national holiday. Name a belief other than Christianity whose most sacred day is a National Holiday."

Christmas is a federal holiday, but that does not make Christianity the state religion or require anyone to worship. Christmas has also become a cultural holiday celebrated by many people who are not practicing Christians. Christians themselves are not required to attend church, put up a tree or exchange presents.

Likewise, Muslims are free to worship in America. My objection is more specific. When a religious message is amplified into surrounding homes and neighborhoods, it must obey the same noise laws governing everyone else. Hearing the call to prayer does not make someone a participant, but people should not be forced to hear amplified religious broadcasts that violate local ordinances.

Should a Christian church be permitted to broadcast its Sunday morning sermon over outdoor loudspeakers into surrounding homes? Of course not. The same standard should apply to a mosque.

"So you believe a woman should decide whether she gets an abortion?"

I have answered this before. Yes. I thought reversing Roe v Wade was a mistake. I believe abortion is morally wrong, but from a secular legal standpoint, the government should leave that decision to the woman rather than impose my moral beliefs upon her. She must make that decision and live with its consequences.

"Can you show us a single current instance of Muslims getting MORE constitutional rights than you? Please be specific."

Did you listen to the video attached to this thread?

No group possesses more rights than provided by the Constitution. The concern is officials who sometimes protect or enforce those rights unequally.

The current Dearborn video contains allegations of unequal treatment and an attempt to impose Sharia Law .

One documented Dearborn example is Bible Believers v Wayne County. At Dearborn's 2012 Arab International Festival, a hostile crowd threw objects at Christian speakers. Law enforcement responded by ordering the speakers to leave under threat, instead of protecting their constitutional right to free speech. The Sixth Circuit ruled that officials had violated the Christians First and Fourteenth Amendment rights by permitting a hostile crowd to silence them.

That is not an allegation from a video. It is an actual finding by a federal court.

"Treating minorities like crap is never a good idea."

Have I suggested that Muslims should be treated like crap?

Muslims do not need to abandon their faith or private traditions. Like every other religious group, however, they may need to modify public traditions that conflict with existing laws or the rights of their neighbors.

Living in a free country without an established religion means that every faith receives the same protection, no faith receives governmental preference, or the right to impose its religious practices upon the surrounding community.

Db,

"To whom should Americans show fealty, if anyone?"

The IRS....just kidding.

Db,

"To whom should North Koreans show fealty, if anyone?"

Kim Jong Un....not kidding.

Dinner time...done

Db,

"Why the outrage, if the call to worship is what gets under your skin?"

That's not an actual question.

There is nothing to say to that.

I may not respond to you for awhile.