Tuesday, September 17, 2024

Harris Soars to Record 6-point Lead

Vice President Kamala Harris leapt to a six-point lead over former President Trump in the wake of last week's presidential debate, according to a Morning Consult poll published Tuesday.

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Trump has two fallbacks should he lose the election, an administrative coup more-0r-less like 2020, and a violent coup probably of greater extent than J6.

I expect him to try both and, if they don't work to try to escape this country physically and into the arms of some foreign protector. If that doesn't work, and if he still isn't caught, to committ suicide.

We'll need the body for DNA confirmation, of course. A man who will fake people eating cats and dogs and assassination attempts will gladly fake his own death.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-17 09:54 AM

This is insane. This election should not be close, it should be a 50-state blowout. After all, it's between a sane and reasonably intelligent person and a drooling, pants-pooping moron who can't string enough words together to make a coherent sentence most of the time.

We shouldn't be talking about swing states. We should be talking about how bad the orange menace is going to lose Idaho. That we are not is a terrible condemnation of America.

#2 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-09-17 10:03 AM

Maga maroons need to do something dramatic to retake the headlines.

Expect more violence. And don't forget the October surprise is still waiting in the wings.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-17 10:08 AM

Two words: electoral college.

Gotta win those swing states and it's gonna be close.

Just hoping that people see Trump for what he really is.

#4 | Posted by brass30 at 2024-09-17 10:11 AM

And don't forget the October surprise is still waiting in the wings.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-17 10:08 AM | FLAG HEH

I'm thinking... Trumpanzee will throw in the towel and slither over to Azerbaijan with his new mistress... followed by cl0wn head explosions.

#5 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-09-17 10:27 AM

Just hoping that people see Trump for what he really is.

They've had 30 years. It's not gonna change. Trump backers hate the current state of the government. He's a big middle finger to the system.

#6 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-09-17 10:30 AM

It's one poll. Which Trump won't believe because his internal pollsters are telling him that he is leading in every state by margins that the world has never seen.

Trump is another one who won't believe his lying eyes.

I doubt if Trump will skip the country. He might take an extended vacation in a country that does not have an extradition treaty. Or, let's don't forget that Trump Tower his son-in-law is building in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis have every reason to shelter Trump to protect their investment.

Plus, Trump might get a good price for Melania.

#7 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-09-17 10:31 AM

Trump isn't going anywhere. Malignant narcissists won't allow any negative thoughts about themselves into their bubble. At most Trump'll stare at himself in a mirror and tell himself how smart and pretty he is. He's probably doing just that right now.

#8 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-09-17 10:33 AM

Trump backers hate the current state of the government. He's a big middle finger to the system.
#6 | Posted by lee_the_agent

And if you asked them how they would effectively, realistically change the current state of the government, they'd have no answer.

#9 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2024-09-17 10:55 AM

they'd have no answer.
#9 | POSTED BY SCHIFFERBRAINS

But they'd have a really weird "concept of a plan"!

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-17 10:59 AM

Maybe the American people are ready for some No Drama Kamala. I sure hope so.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-17 11:00 AM

Yikes. Fatboy Dim is seriously failing.

I can't wait to see what group of poor legal migrants gets dumped on now.

"A Malaysian caravan from Venezuela is putting arsenic in toothpaste in Bugtussle, Alabama!"

#12 | Posted by anton at 2024-09-17 11:21 AM

they'd have no answer.

Sure they would. Tariffs and Drill, Baby Drill.

#13 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-09-17 11:25 AM

#2 Darkvader...

That's how many racist white folks there are in the country.

And we Dems thought it a 'thing of the past'. Nope. Just went
undercover until some demagogue came along and told all the racist
white people that it was 'okay'.

Don't fool yourselves Righties (and Dems). This political race is
about RACE, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd...

#14 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-09-17 11:26 AM

Beat Trump Senseless

#15 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-17 11:29 AM

Nationally doesn't matter. It's 50 days out.
Polls don't matter. Polls have shown 2% understatement of Republican votes.
...
The only thing that matters is: Democrats have to vote in November to eradicate the Trump Virus.

#16 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-09-17 11:41 AM

Burn in hell trump.

#17 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-17 12:06 PM

I won't believe anything until she takes the oath of office.

#18 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-09-17 12:22 PM

@#4 ... Two words: electoral college. ...

Agreed.

I like this EC map because it takes into account the margin of error in the polls. States that are within the MoE are shown as Toss-Up.

www.realclearpolling.com

...
Harris/Walz 221
Toss Ups 98
Trump/Vance 219
...

If you scroll down a bit you can see that Virginia recently went from Toss Up to Leans Dem.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-17 12:25 PM

This is insane. This election should not be close, it should be a 50-state blowout. After all, it's between a sane and reasonably intelligent person and a drooling, pants-pooping moron who can't string enough words together to make a coherent sentence most of the time.
We shouldn't be talking about swing states. We should be talking about how bad the orange menace is going to lose Idaho. That we are not is a terrible condemnation of America.

#2 | Posted by DarkVader

You have to remember how STUPID AND RACIST Republicans are. OVER HALF still believe Haitian immigrants are stealing and eating cats and dogs.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-09-17 12:25 PM

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Winston Churchill

#21 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2024-09-17 12:34 PM

-That's how many racist white folks there are in the country.

Are there more than in the last election? Or the 1 before that?

I would think there are fewer of them because of COVID.

And Trump managed to get everyone to talk about anything other than abortion rights.

cats.....he got you to talk about cats....not a woman's right to choose.

LOL

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 12:52 PM

nd Trump managed to get everyone to talk about anything other than abortion rights.

cats.....he got you to talk about cats....not a woman's right to choose.

LOL

#22 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2024-09-17 12:52 PM | REPLY

Yeah. This self-immolation was really part of Trump's latest "4D Chess" plan.
Bwahaha!

Do you ever tire of making up ridiculous excuses to try to make your cult leader look good?

#23 | Posted by anton at 2024-09-17 01:15 PM

maybe you should sit out the abortion discussions, eberly.

#24 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-17 01:18 PM

cats.....he got you to talk about cats....not a woman's right to choose.

LOL

#22 | POSTED BY EBERLY

He also got a cat lady with 32 million followers to publicly endorse his opponent.

lol.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-17 01:30 PM

"Quick get someone else to shoot at me!"

-trump

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-17 01:34 PM

"Quick get someone else to shoot at me!"

-trump

#26 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I'm seriously betting on a third time. I mean, if nothing else these "attempts" have formed the basis of a MAGA meme that the Democrats are trying to kill him. That's got to be good for money and votes.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-17 01:59 PM

-maybe you should sit out the abortion discussions, eberly.

tired of getting your butt kicked?

poor thing.

you've been wrong a thousand times here.....me? once.

actually twice....but you aren't aware of that one.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 03:07 PM

#23 | Posted by anton at 2024-09-17 01:15 PM | Reply | Flag: Never gets tired of sniffing Eberly's ----

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 03:08 PM

Uh oh eberly is talking about anuses. Someone must be beating him in a debate.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-09-17 03:33 PM

I see we're still following the -------- horse race.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2024-09-17 03:35 PM

At this point, Trump will be lucky to earn 10% of the vote!
- stark reminder from 2016

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-17 03:38 PM

maybe you should sit out the abortion discussions

Everyone should sit out the abortion discussion except the pregnant woman and her doctor.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-17 03:40 PM

#30

It wasn't really a debate. I just pointed out that Eberly said something stupid, so he appropriately started talking about the source if his verbal excrement.

#34 | Posted by anton at 2024-09-17 03:47 PM

All I was saying is the Haitian immigrant thing is nothing but a distraction away from issues that hurt him.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 03:57 PM

Absolutely agreed.

Same as the fake assassination attempts.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-17 03:58 PM

36

I love it.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 04:11 PM

That's seems pretty open to interpretation.

So I'll accept it as you agreeing with me.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-17 04:14 PM

I agree with your first sentence.

The second sentence is obviously trolling.

Nice move.....it's driving poor Anton and Speak crazy.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 04:17 PM

Second sentence isn't trolling unless anyone with a gun, in any vicinity of Trump, is now considered a potential assassin.

Seems like you're just as distracted by Republican lies as you claim others to be.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-17 04:21 PM

I don't know much about this latest news event regarding the potential assassin so I don't know how absurd the accusation is regarding it being staged.

And my distraction is meaningless. I'm not voting for Trump regardless.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 04:27 PM

The "assassin" wasn't in eyesight of Trump.

But they found a rifle in his car.

That's how preposterous it's become.

I've seen video of armed militia members in grocery stores and convenience markets. The other people in those stores have to just deal with it.

But rifle in your car is now a life threatening assassination attempt.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-17 04:30 PM

Anyone who thinks seriously wounding or killing Trump would do anything other than dramatically increase the likelihood of a GOP win is goofy. Harris voters have no interest in this violent garbage.

#43 | Posted by anton at 2024-09-17 05:09 PM

Fake violent garbage.

There have been zero attempts against fat fatty fat fat.

#44 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-17 05:47 PM

#22 | Posted by eberly

Ignorant POS.

Everybody is still talking about women's right to choose.

#45 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-09-17 05:53 PM

But rifle in your car is now a life threatening assassination attempt.

#42 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

The "snipers nest" with flak jacket rifle and go-pro looked pretty "life threatening". Though I doubt how conclusive that will be in court because it could have been staged. They will definitely need more evidence to prove it was an actual assassination attempt. But they do seem to have plenty of other charges to hold him and charge him with.

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-17 05:54 PM

"Everybody is still talking about women's right to choose."

Maybe Eb is on the wrong thread. This thread is about Kamala's Soaring 6 point Lead. She's soaring! lol.

Maybe he's looking for this thread:

drudge.com

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-17 06:03 PM

Way I hear it, Everybody talking about a sharp dressed man.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-17 06:06 PM

45

poor thing.

No.....they aren't.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 06:12 PM

-Harris voters have no interest in this violent garbage.

It's just 1 guy.

You're such a cheerleader you can't imagine someone who's not a registered republican being unstable and dangerous.

It's okay......you have plenty of company here willing to sit around with you pretending to understand all of this.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 06:14 PM

No.....they aren't.

#49 | POSTED BY EBERLY

They are where it will be on the ballot.

Just not in this thread. Which is about Kamala's "soaring" lead.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-17 06:18 PM

Way I hear it, Everybody talking about a sharp dressed man.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack

"---------!!!! This thread is about KAMALA!!!"

-Donner

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 06:20 PM

"---------!!!! This thread is about KAMALA!!!"

-Donner

POSTED BY EBERLY

Exactly! Which you obviously do NOT want to talk about.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-17 06:22 PM

A number of these wanna be assassins are against politicians in both parties. The PA shooter just wanted to make a name for himself. He would have tried to kill Biden if he had shown up at the Butler, PA farm show instead of Trump. I just researched a bunch of men who threatened Biden and/or Harris. Some of them threatened other politicians too. One of them included Mitch McConnell on his list with several Democrats. Did he wanna kill Mitch because he hates all pols or because Trump dislikes Mitch? Unclear.

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-17 06:22 PM

-They are where it will be on the ballot.

we'll see where and what message gets through.

The left can't take the bait on every distraction and lie Trump tells. That changes attention to what Trump wants and takes Harris and the entire Democratic party off message.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 06:23 PM

-Which you obviously do NOT want to talk about.

She has a 6 point lead and Lamp's post #19 sums up the reality.

Next.....

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 06:24 PM

Considering Ohio's Republican governor is now implying trump is a d@mn dirty liar Ohio may well be in play.

#57 | Posted by Tor at 2024-09-17 06:27 PM

She has a 6 point lead and Lamp's post #19 sums up the reality.

Next.....

#56 | POSTED BY EBERLY

So how about that Kamala, eh? You are not impressed I see.

6 point lead! Isn't that something? Are you not yet entertained?

In what two months? Wow. We really should do all our elections this way from now on.

3 months. Bam. Done.

That's all the time republicans should get to terrorize America.

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-17 06:28 PM

That changes attention to what Trump wants and takes Harris and the entire Democratic party off message.

Negative ads and mailings are running non-stop in swing states paid for by PACS and super PACS that basically continue to drive the narrative that Kamala is an empty suit or that she let deranged criminals out on bail or probation that went on to kill someone in another state with zero explanation that prosecutors don't make the laws, they follow them, same as they follow whatever judges decide. Especially true since defendants do have attorneys advocating for them too.

Trump has stopped even trying to appeal to anyone not susceptible to the fearmongering and dog whistles he and Vance are blowing 24/7 because he knows his only chance is twofold - drive down Harris' popularity and keep stirring the pot for more low information voters that make up his largely white, non-college educated base.

As it regards national polling, every supposed expert I've seen have all said that Democrats need to be at least +4 nationally to win the EC, but most do focus on individual state polling since we already know where this election is likely to be won or lost.

But one poll released yesterday should buoy every Harris voter wherever they are. The gold standard poll in Iowa found Trump only up 47-43 when their last poll before Biden dropped out had Trump +18. Abortion is definitely driving the Harris surge and if Harris does win, it'll be because of mainly the overwhelming support of women who don't want anyone but for themselves to control their individual bodies.

#59 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-17 06:41 PM

-So how about that Kamala, eh? You are not impressed I see.

I'm voting for her. That's about it at this point.

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 06:47 PM

Harris is getting a lot of voters who wanted neither Biden or Trump.

But the real question is. What's happening in swing states?

Lots of republican propagandists are bombarding the states with xenophobia and worries about our economy.

Transgender issues have subsided.

Seems Haitians eating dogs and cats are a bigger sell.

Harris has the popular vote. That's not hard to see.

What's up with the EC?

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-17 07:26 PM

"Abortion is definitely driving the Harris surge and if Harris does win, it'll be because of mainly the overwhelming support of women who don't want anyone but for themselves to control their individual bodies."

We'll see

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 08:26 PM

"Transgender issues have subsided."

Very predictably

We're not at a place where that will impact election results

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-17 08:28 PM

"The left can't take the bait on every distraction and lie Trump tells. "

Oh yes they can, at least the ones here anyway. They can't help themselves, even when it's obvious that the Trump campaign really wants their opponents to go back to talking about them being a "threat to democracy" instead of what weird losers they are.

#64 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-09-17 08:37 PM

"Harris has the popular vote. That's not hard to see.
What's up with the EC?"

It's close. Too damn close.
electoral-vote.com

#65 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-09-17 08:39 PM

Same as the fake assassination attempts.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-17 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Crisis actors in 3...2...1....

#66 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-09-17 09:45 PM

"Cheap Fakes"

#67 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-09-17 09:47 PM

Clownshack is retarded enough to go on record and say that Biden's FBI, CIA and SS are too retarded to figure out that Trump killed people to stage a prop... More proof that this administration has no business in leadership.

#68 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-09-17 09:48 PM

Clownshack also cant figure out the relationship between his mom handling a cucumber, and her subsequent beatings.

#69 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-09-17 09:50 PM

bUh mUh cRiSis AcToRs!

#70 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-09-17 09:51 PM

This is insane. This election should not be close, it should be a 50-state blowout. After all, it's between a sane and reasonably intelligent person and a drooling, pants-pooping moron who can't string enough words together to make a coherent sentence most of the time.

We shouldn't be talking about swing states. We should be talking about how bad the orange menace is going to lose Idaho. That we are not is a terrible condemnation of America.

#2 | POSTED BY DARKVADER

That 6 point lead is likely closer to 11 in reality.
Most of the corrupt and manipulated polling is weighted 5 or more points towards Trump and the GOP. Democrats have over performed in the polls since 2018 by 5-10% because the polling is monkeyed with.

The corporate media and the polling companies need a horse race like a meth head needs their next hit.

Expect the polls to "get tighter" even though in all reality that won't be the case.

This is going to be a blue tsunami, there will be many red states turning blue.

#71 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-09-17 11:43 PM

We should be talking about how bad the orange menace is going to lose Idaho.

I was down there 3 weeks ago. Lewzer is God. Literally.

#72 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-17 11:50 PM

Yeah, Orange Adolf isn't losing "the south of the northwest.
The panhandle is Nazi and banjoland.

Trump could very likely lose Montana and Alaska, and there is a 50% chance he loses Florida.

#73 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-09-18 12:37 AM

The panhandle is Nazi and banjoland.

I'd add the "Nutz of God", but I get you grasp the concept.

#74 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-18 12:48 AM

Trump has two fallbacks should he lose the election, an administrative coup more-0r-less like 2020, and a violent coup probably of greater extent than J6.

One part of me (the Mr. Hyde part) would like to see a violent coup attempt with a democrat in the White House. Federal troops would come down very heavy on any and all coup plotters and their foot soldiers.

The Dr. Jekyll part of me says that an administrative coup is the more likely scenario should Trump lose. His minions at the state and county level as well as their attorneys are likely to try to gum up the works. But the best that they will be able to achieve is to add more drama to the process. In the end, they will not be successful and Harris will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2025.

I predict a Harris win and it won't be close.

#75 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2024-09-18 08:06 AM

Trump backers hate the current state of the government. He's a big middle finger to the system.

Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-09-17 10:30 AM | Reply |

They see government as empowering LGBTQ+ people and they hate that they are losing their targets of their bigotry.

Look no further than floriDUH.

#76 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-18 09:10 AM

As usual, nothing matters until election night,
and until the states results come in for the Electoral College.
There can be NO COMPLACENCE on the Left.
Complacency doesn't win elections...

#77 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-09-18 11:30 AM

I was down there 3 weeks ago. Lewzer is God. Literally.

#72 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Pretty amazing isn't it? If we survive this episode of the Apprentice the reasons for this will be studied in history classes for ages. Anthropologists will be trying to decipher why this was for millennia.

#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-18 11:45 AM

"If we survive this episode of the Apprentice the reasons for this will be studied in history classes for ages."

As an aging editor for academia, this is money in my pocket for the rest of my life.

#79 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-09-18 02:44 PM

My prediction if Trump loses, he'll do everything he can to start a revolution. And Trump will have the guns out for everyone on his enemies list.

President Harris will have to call for martial law to stop the destruction.

#80 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-09-18 05:01 PM

She needs this much of a lead in every state she's ahead in.

#81 | Posted by Tor at 2024-09-18 05:33 PM

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