^^ that's the idiots thinking their will be a civil war, and also the idiots that think the left could win a civil war.
#38 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Who won the American Civil War.
Was it The Left?

Artillery? Is this 1914?
#50 | POSTED BY JPW

Yeah, it's 1914 again.
Tanks are once again countered by squad level weapons.
So it's back to artillery.

Who won the American Civil War.
Was it The Left?
#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Republicans willing to suspend Habeus Corpus and burn states to the ground.
You don't have the stomach for that.
#63 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

We don't?
Seen Gaza lately?
Seen Chicago any given weekend?

"Who's we, snoofy?"

We are what passes for "The Left" in America.
We are the winners of the Civil War and WWII.
But don't get carried away. We are not as "left" as the other winners of WWII.

and we're being pretty liberal on our definition of "tech support", right?
#75 | POSTED BY EBERLY

We didn't do any of that.
#77 | POSTED BY JPW

Group inclusion has never been your strong suit.

"#79 taking credit for past history is just stupid."

Okay, but if you take a look at your nation's flag, every star is taking credit for past history.

"And an intellectually weak argument."

Is it? People are saying violence will erupt. Will it erupt from The Left, is that the part they aren't saying?

"What is your point, exactly?"

The point is that in both the Civil War and WWII, the two wars which define America, The Left was on the right side of history.

But normally when I downplay the predicted catastrophe and hysteria I get called an ostrich.
#73 | Posted by eberly

Correctly so, we must observe.
What Republican policies have you downplayed, that haven't turned out to be a disaster?
Name just anything.

"Dude acquired, assembled and transported a moving truck sized fertilizer bomb. Undetected."

Not entirely sure about the "undetected" part.
The unnamed, unindicted third co-conspirator could very well have been a government agent.
I don't have a better reason why that person would simply disappear without a trace.

"the left was hysterical"

Hysterical is the only emotion the left ever has, according to Deplorables.
It's especially funny because of the sexism baked into the word hysterical.

"Okay, but if you take a look at your nation's flag, every star is taking credit for past history."

"This might be one of the more ridiculous things I've read today."

Tell me what the stars mean to you, JPW.

"It's not that black and white"

There's not a lot of shades of grey to it.

Charles A Lindbergh sided with the Nazis until the war started. Lots of Americans did. Corky likes posting the picture of the Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden.

Its just partisan nonsense trying to score what you think are points.
#102 | POSTED BY JPW

It's partisan, but it makes plenty of sense. FDR Democrat means something even if you don't know what those somethings are.

That's not taking credit for anything as it's just a literal symbol.
#106 | POSTED BY JPW

It's a testament to our conquest of North America. It honors our Manifest Destiny.

It's celebrating all that.

"It's hilarious watching people like you devolve into mirror images of MAGA morons."

FDR Democrats are MAGA Morons?

Holy ---- dude.

"I disagree because I don't know what you think you know."

Can you even load a gun?
That's you doing that.

I like how you guys don't acknowledge the stars on the flag are a testament to our legacy and heritage of conquest.

Do you like not notice the flags from WWII are in a square pattern, not a diamond pattern, and there's only 48 of them?

, "and not know what FDR Democrat means?"
doesn't mean you are one.
#119 | POSTED BY EBERLY

"There are plenty of better examples of democrats being better Americans than WW 2."

"the Hammer and Sycle emblem of the USSR was printed over the Globe, not over the Soviet States."

See, that's too ambitious. We just claim the smaller of two hemispheres, thanks to James Monroe. Oceana, in George Orwell terms.

"All of this is irrelevant to the fact that "we" didn't do s$&^ to win anything."

Oh?

Can I take any tiny amount of credit for whatever got blown up by the missiles that went through the office I supported for Uncle Sam? Or is that also not something I did.

It's alien to me how you don't associate being an American with the things America has done.

Obviously I didn't land on the moon. But I see no problem with the statement that we, meaning Americans, went to the moon.

You remind me of the people who refuse to credit Obama with killing OBL since Obama wasn't the one who pulled the trigger.

Or the people who say what's America's racist past got to do with me, why should I feel bad about it, like anyone asked you to feel bad about it.

"Especially when someone is trying to gain an upper hand in an argument by claiming association with a major political party that was in power
during a major event."

Those aren't checks Corky or I can cash. Those are just things that happened, things that Democrats did, things that give you a sense of where Democrat values lie. Things like Truman integrated the military. LBJ passed Civil Rights, FDR instituted a minimum wage. That's just history.
Same history also shows plenty of Americans were fond of Hitler, when he was leading Germany as a White Nativist Populist.

As for which party was in power during a major event, History shows Republicans are the ones who fulfilled their generations long promise to overturn Roe v Wade.
Give Republicans credit for their accomplishments, Eberly.
Just as voters give Republicans blame for the exact same thing.

"snoofy and whine see themselves as liberals first....rather than an American first."

No, that's wrong on both accounts. My argument for single payer isn't even based on some notion of everyone getting insurance, though of course everyone should get insurance. It's based on the cold hard facts that it's cheaper to do single payer than what we have. That's a conservative economic argument at heart. I'm only a liberal when it comes to social policy like letting whoever get married or pick their gender or have good quality schools they can go to.

And, since you brought it up, having that kind of freedom over your own personal destiny, is what I think it means to be an American.

Name an issue conservatives were on the right side of and liberals were wrong about. Change my mind.
#140 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Well, one thing even Bernie Sanders would agree with is the USSR was pretty much as bad as they said. But that's ancient history.

Of course, todays Republicans think Russia under Putin is better than USA with Biden at the helm, so they aren't even right about that any more.

"Pointing to significant events like WW II are proof of it. You can't drag that fence back in time to place it where you want so you can say "we good.....they bad".

I can say Charles A. Lindbergh was bad.
Can you say that? The man loved him some Hitler. Can you say that's bad?

Thomas Jefferson some might say is bad, for what he did to that little girl.
But I'm not talking about personal life. I'm talking about politics; what they wanted for this country. And what TJ wanted was pretty good, compared to his contemporaries and in many ways by modern standards too. There's a reason President of the University of Virginia is listed first on his tomb.

#144 I'm talking about identifying with the values in that Norman Rockwell painting.

Those are the things I think we as Americans all ought to believe in.

The racism would shock the average Democrat more than the average Republican.

I am not sure what you mean by "pro gay" and "pro trans."

I'm not pro gay or pro trans. I'm for gays and trans having equal rights.

People that aren't like me, they are against equal rights. You maybe could call them pro straight.

---------. You don't have that freedom. Or at least you don't think you do.
It's been taken from you.
And the thieves are the GOP.
#148 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Not from me.
Not yet.
I don't live in a Red State.

You one 1 side.
Bad people on other side.
Binary world.
#149 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I'm not too worried about "bad people" until they are in the business of doing bad things, at scale, because of the power they wield in society.

Because a racist Supreme Court Justice has a bigger impact on society at large, than a ---------er who deals drugs and murders his rivals.

Power isn't binary, it's a gradient, but everybody knows the difference between the Haves and the Have Nots.

"You can't even identify them."

All I can do is judge them by the impacts of their policy.

Take Trump's child separation policy. Or the Bush Era Torture Memo. Anybody with fingerprints on that is a bad person. You really gonna disagree with that?

Biden is a bad person for what he did to push the War on Drugs. The other party didn't offer a better alternative, but it's still a black mark on Biden's record, and one he hasn't done enough to rectify, and probably won't. But at least he's not doing it any more, and isn't showing any signs of doing that kind of thing in the future.

W. Bush did a good thing with PEPFAR. Just another example of judging by policy impact.

You can't even identify them.
Deep down you know that.

#154 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Not sure about the "deep down" part.

Not being able to identify them is what makes the Second Amendment so stupid.

That's not deep down that's a plain fact in open view.

"Trans rights" generally means that one's beliefs entitle them to privileges that others who do not share those beliefs don't have.
#159 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Huh? What rights would those even be? Give us some examples of what you're talking about.

For the record I think trans people should have the same rights as other people.

"By "them" you mean party."

Not just party, but obviously the goals of the party and how they implement policy to achieve those goals is fair game.

Them really means leaders.

"You don't even recognize individual people. Just what party they belong to."

I recognize individual people. Like Maryland's former Republican governor who hid his medical supplies from Trump. That was good leadership.

I recognize that party is the organizing principle for politics. It's the starting place.

The whole point of having a party is the same reason soldiers wear uniforms.

It's how you can tell what side someone is on.

And you're actually quite Marxist. I'm noticing that more and more.
#160 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

What's that mean, to be quite Marxist? Marx was an economic historian.

Let's take my support for equal rights for trans people. Where's the Marxism?

Uhhh...they do have the same rights as other people. Do they not?
#169 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

^
Is that the Marxism?

"You're a prime example of a believer in dialectical materialism."

Give me some examples of what that means, as a practical matter.
I said I think trans people and gay people should have the same rights as anyone else.
Is that dialectical materialism?

"The whole point of having a party is the same reason cheerleaders wear uniforms.
It's how you can tell what side someone is on."
FT
#173 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Cheerleaders, players, in some sports even the coaches. And the fans, who cosplay as the players by wearing their jerseys.

But engaging politics like it's a spectator sport is for small minded people. Sports aren't impactful outside the world of sports. Politics impacts our lives in countless ways every day.