Most Texas Voters Think Violence Will Erupt After 2024 Election
About 60% of Texas voters expect there to be violence following the November election, according to a new poll.
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... The survey, conducted by the University of Texas at Austin-Texas Politics Project, asked registered voters whether they believe "political violence" would erupt in response to the 2024 election results. About 24% of respondents said such an outcome is "very likely," while 36% considered it "somewhat likely." By contrast, 21% thought it was "not too likely," and only 5% saw it as "not at all likely." About 14% remained unsure. "Dark attitudes from the 2020 election and violent reactions to its outcome among Trump supporters continue to lurk in Texas public opinion," according to the poll. ...
About 24% of respondents said such an outcome is "very likely," while 36% considered it "somewhat likely." By contrast, 21% thought it was "not too likely," and only 5% saw it as "not at all likely." About 14% remained unsure.
"Dark attitudes from the 2020 election and violent reactions to its outcome among Trump supporters continue to lurk in Texas public opinion," according to the poll. ...
#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-20 02:26 PM | Reply
Most TX Voters Think Hope Violence Will Erupt After 2024 Election
There's a segment of people in America who have been wanting a civil war since Obama got elected in 2008.
The nation has only grown more divided since then.
#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4
I am 100% counting on these feral idiots to start violence both during and after the election.
They have about as little impulse control as an orange blob of goo that rapes and sexually assaults women.
The day that the GQP voters decided that was acceptable for a President was the day any claim to morality by them was set on fire, extinguished by urination, doused with gasoline and lit on fire again.
------------- slob should be in prison not leading the primary polls.
It really speaks to just how low their moral beliefs are.
#3 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-02-20 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5
Most TX Voters Think Violence Will Erupt After 2024 Election
In their pants.
#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-02-20 04:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
I actually wish someone would plonk the people spreading and responsible for enabling the spread of lies and diversionary Bee Ess.
#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-02-20 05:08 PM | Reply
As long as they keep their violence in the ---- hole state of Texas im good with it. Less MAGA/Putin puppet voters.
#6 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-02-20 10:10 PM | Reply
Sadly, I think it will happen too.
The GOP has played with the MAGA moron fire for too long and I simply don't think they know how to dial it back.
Both from a practical standpoint of knowing how to deescalate the situation they're built but also from the standpoint of they don't have any other way to run but stoking fear and anger and resentment.
#7 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-20 11:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3
Jesus want them to be violent.
#8 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-02-21 02:16 PM | Reply
The only chance for this nation is that Trump has a massive coronary before November. And I even doubt that that would save us. Too many Republicans are determined to have an authoritarian, single party state.
#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-02-21 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3
Sounds like the people in Texas expect Trump to lose this election.
In which case, I also expect an uprising of sorts. The United States isn't a dinky little country and we're not talking about the Mason-Dixon line here. If Trump tried to start anything as all-encompassing as a "civil war," I'd love to see those neanderthals come face to face with the superior manpower and artillery that the President of the United States commands.
Get my point?
#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-21 04:12 PM | Reply
What this tells me is they are all hot to shoot one another.
#11 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-02-21 04:16 PM | Reply
#10 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2024-02-21 04:12 PM | FLAG:
They expect it to be rigged. Again. Just ask them.
#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-21 04:31 PM | Reply
Basically they're saying THEY'LL be violent if their cult leader loses. Again.
#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-21 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4
#10 | POSTED BY TWINPAC
In a perfect world that would be great. The trouble is, most military personnel lean Republican. Many of them may be willing to abandon the idea that Biden is still their commander-in-chief.
I hope most of them can hold to the side of sanity. But with enough delusional prodding we could end up with a split military. I hope we can avoid a civil war. At the same time, it's hard not to think that the train has already left the station.
#14 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-02-21 04:58 PM | Reply
Heads MAGA wins, Tails America gets shot up.
It is 'that binary'.
#15 | Posted by Wardog at 2024-02-21 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
FIXED? Ut oh.
Dallas is doomed.
Ted Cruz will be leading the charge of the Loser Brigade, sabers fixed.
#16 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-21 05:07 PM | Reply
Military, police, border patrol, coasties, the owners of the industries that supply them, the tech bros of silicon valley, etc. Security based occupations don't tend to attract left leaning people. Even the Dog General was probably a Trumper.
#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-21 05:09 PM | Reply
Pretty sure 60% of Texans want to see violence erupt after the 2024 election.
And they want to in on it.
#18 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-02-21 06:06 PM | Reply
Security based occupations don't tend to attract left leaning people. Even the Dog General was probably a Trumper.
#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg
Yeah because left leaning people are too smart to spend their lives standing and guarding a vault. They can make more money using their big left leaning brains.
#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-21 06:07 PM | Reply
SITZ @ #17
All that takes tons of money. Violence ain't cheap ya' know. Who's gonna foot the bill. The GOP?
#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-21 06:08 PM | Reply
the tech bros of silicon valley ... was probably a Trumper - stiz
What?
You gotta be kidding me. Silicon Valley donates millions to the Democratic party. Hell Biden is here today soaking up cash.
#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-21 06:59 PM | Reply
@#21 ... ou gotta be kidding me. Silicon Valley donates millions to the Democratic party. ...
... and how much does Silicon Valley donate to the GOP?
Silicon Valley Bank wasn't "woke": Tech billionaires are just as bad as Wall Street bros (2023) www.salon.com
... Ignore GOP hype about the "liberal" tech industry " reckless, entitled libertarianism is what fuels Silicon Valley ... There were always hints that the myth of "progressive" Silicon Valley was way overblown, at least when it comes to the venture capitalist class. (The actual workers, as is true in most industries, lean more left than management.) One red flag: All these tech CEOs are buddies with major investor Peter Thiel, a sniveling Trump supporter who once questioned whether women's suffrage was a good idea. ...
There were always hints that the myth of "progressive" Silicon Valley was way overblown, at least when it comes to the venture capitalist class. (The actual workers, as is true in most industries, lean more left than management.) One red flag: All these tech CEOs are buddies with major investor Peter Thiel, a sniveling Trump supporter who once questioned whether women's suffrage was a good idea. ...
#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-21 07:27 PM | Reply
Banks answer to shareholders. They don't invest in crazy personal vendettas staged by losers who have no collateral. Trump's name in the lending industry is worth less than a dust bunny.
#23 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-22 03:57 AM | Reply
Well, the best way to keep the very poor in line is to enlist some of them in campaigns of hate, and then the poor cannot unite against the rich who run Texas, and I mean run it for the benefit of the tiny few.
#24 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-02-22 06:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
A great opportunity to close the Texas border and let it flood with migrants. Hotwheels can color-code them with a paintball gun as they come in....
#25 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-02-22 10:51 AM | Reply
#25 While i loathe Greg Abbott as much as anyone, the "Hotwheels" thing is obscene and needs to stop.
#26 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-22 11:03 AM | Reply
...most military personnel lean Republican. Many of them may be willing to abandon (their oath)... #14 | Posted by Whatsleft
So logically, you're saying many Republicans are lying, disloyal, traitors.
#27 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-02-22 11:28 AM | Reply
So, most Texas voters think they're going to lose the election in 2024? Why wait? If they're convinced that they'll lose the election, they should just start the violence now.
#28 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-02-22 12:41 PM | Reply
#19 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2024-02-21 06:07 PM | REPLY
Smart people are the easiest to shoot. No common sense.
#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-22 02:41 PM | Reply
Who's gonna foot the bill.
#20 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2024-02-21 06:08 PM | FLAG:
Foreign interests. Perhaps you've heard of a place called Ukraine. They can't foot the bill for their own defense.
#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-22 02:46 PM | Reply
#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg
So how come most gun fights are among the uneducated?
#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-22 02:51 PM | Reply
Drug territory and debt disputes.
People raised in violent environments are simply harder to kill, they are adapted. The highly educated, not really, unless you came from some hell hole. Not even smart enough to run away when the oh ---- alarm goes off at college.
#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-22 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
Not that Trumpers are much better off. Heavily armed, but most of them can't run 100 yards without being so winded they're no longer in the fight.
#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-22 03:01 PM | Reply
Might be the least athletic civil war in the history of the world.
#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-22 03:04 PM | Reply
#34 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG
America is so overpowered compared to Texas it won't take that long to crush them.
The drone wars will only require skilled video game players.
#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-22 03:31 PM | Reply
#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg
Proof?
Sounds more like a joe rogan worshipping moron who wants to console himself by saying that smart people aren't really smart.
#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-22 03:59 PM | Reply
#35 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-02-22 03:31 PM | REPLY
That's the point of the comments. What side do you think most of the military is on? You can't with a straight face say "the left", because they're not. You can't say "America vs X" because both sides would be claiming they're the Real America.
Speaks is over there conflating smarts and education at the same time, but couldn't figure out how to get liquid out of a hole in the ground in an emergency without a power grid. Cannon fodder, that's all he'd ever be.
Not going to be a civil war though, just idiots talking.
#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-22 04:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
"I felt like I could relate more to the monkey bars guys. They're more my speed."
^^ that's the idiots thinking their will be a civil war, and also the idiots that think the left could win a civil war.
#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-22 04:13 PM | Reply
"Not going to be a civil war though, just idiots talking."
Speaks is relieved.
#39 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 04:14 PM | Reply
#39 | Posted by eberly
Dissappointed. Watching how fast a conservative-only government would collapse into a third world failure would be hilarious.
#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-22 04:20 PM | Reply
You think you'd be around to see that? Optimistic.
#41 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-22 04:24 PM | Reply
Ya gotta wonder how well the Pound Boys, er, I mean Proud Boys et al will do against the US military?
It'll be close, right?
#42 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-22 04:30 PM | Reply
Better than we'd want. Lots military veterans. What do veterans have? Active duty friends. They're not going to fight each other, they're going to team up.
#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-22 04:35 PM | Reply
25 While i loathe Greg Abbott as much as anyone, the "Hotwheels" thing is obscene and needs to stop.
#26 | POSTED BY JOE
Naw, when one is a disgusting vile POS as hot wheels is, everything about the scumbag is fair game: Gotta fight fire with fire, as there is no such thing as a moral high ground when it comes to these troglodytes.
The "when they go low, we go high" mentality is one of the main reasons Trump won in 2016. Sometimes one has to go down to their level in the mud and kick their asses.
#44 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-02-22 04:35 PM | Reply
43
There's a popular myth about that. In reality, however, active duty will follow orders almost all of the time.
There was a Team already in the Capitol building ready to take down rioters with no hesitation on J6.
And not many Proud Boys have F-22 Raptors.
#45 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-22 04:44 PM | Reply
#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg
Wow if they military has that many traitors it must be time to clean house.
#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-22 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#26 | Posted by JOE
Dude brought it on himself.
#47 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-02-22 05:26 PM | Reply
#47 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2024-02-22 05:26 PM | FLAG: Childish little runt
#48 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:29 PM | Reply
^^ that's the idiots thinking their will be a civil war, and also the idiots that think the left could win a civil war. #38 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG
Who won the American Civil War. Was it The Left?
#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-22 05:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
and artillery that the President of the United States commands.
#10 | Posted by Twinpac
Artillery? Is this 1914?
#50 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-22 11:34 PM | Reply
#20 | Posted by Twinpac
The same people who have largely funded the GOP to elect Trump and run him a second time. The same people largely pulling the strings from behind the curtain.
I don't think they'd win, but you're a little too flippant at what it would entail.
#51 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-22 11:43 PM | Reply
No common sense.
Common sense is usually code for lazy bulls&^%. An easy excuse for people who feel the need to speak but don't have anything to say that's worth saying.
#52 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:06 AM | Reply
Artillery? Is this 1914? #50 | POSTED BY JPW
Yeah, it's 1914 again. Tanks are once again countered by squad level weapons. So it's back to artillery.
#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 12:18 AM | Reply
#45 | Posted by Corky
Do people feel better with this faux chest thumping nonsense? Does name dropping military hardware make their comment more forceful or something?
If, IF, something were to kick off, it's not going to be head to head, typical warfare.
It's going to be bombings. Shootings, beatings and murders.
More IRA than minutemen going after British regulars.
Did we sleep through the decades long insurgency in Iraq? They didn't have F-22s either.
#54 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:29 AM | Reply
Tanks are once again countered by squad level weapons.
Tanks didn't exist in 1914.
#55 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:31 AM | Reply
JPW
I don't think I'm being flippant at all. I think there will be sporadic violence. Just not on any scale that would amount to an all-encompassing civil war in the United States. The opinions of a poll in Texas doesn't impress me much. They're not the whole country.
Show me a nationwide poll of businesses and banks who are making plans to "board up" in preparation for a civil war and I'll start to pay attention.
Frankly, I don't expect any more than a parade of flag carrying brick throwers with bullhorn marching and looting down the main street in Austin.
#56 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-23 03:35 AM | Reply
"Frankly, I don't expect any more than a parade of flag carrying brick throwers with bullhorn marching and looting down the main street in Austin."
And that happens if trump wins or loses?
#57 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 08:46 AM | Reply
#9
Yep. Trump could leave tomorrow, but the seeds have already been planted.
#58 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-02-23 10:25 AM | Reply
#26 | POSTED BY JOE. Joe, while this is way late in this thread, and I always read and respect your posts in particular as they are usually spot on, I have to disagree here. When we still lived in NH, my wife was a volunteer ski and kayak instructor for disabled people (NHESA is the organization) and she lived for that one day each week to be on the mountain or at the lake. I would occasionally go and help out if they were short handed. I never, ever disparage the disabled, but Abbott is an exception. A man who puts razor wire in a river and issues an order that makes others stand-by and watch a mother and child that could have been rescued drown to death is not human, and deserves not one iota of respect.
#59 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-02-23 10:30 AM | Reply
I don't think I'm being flippant at all.
So making laughable statements about artillery is what? Serious?
They're just gonna start shelling towns because a MAGA parade? Proud Boys don't have MOABs!!!!
Have you ever seen the movie The Siege? Do you remember the line from Bruce Willis' character about the use of the army in US cities?
All the destructive power of the US military will not be brought to bear in its full intensity against citizens and towns in the US. Using it as a safety blanket does nothing but avoid thinking about the reality of potential civil strife in the US.
And if I'm wrong, well, you won't be so glad for that artillery or F-22s.
#60 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 10:41 AM | Reply
I'd love to see those neanderthals come face to face with the superior manpower and artillery that the President of the United States commands.
If this is a true statement, then you don't truly grasp the enormity of what those actions mean and just how destructive and dangerous that response would be.
Are you so certain it won't happen to your town? Why would you love to see fellow citizens sheltering in basements or fleeing their homes because their town has become an American Mosul?
I'm sorry, but ridiculous braggadocio like this is just as bad as people itching for civil strife to actually happen.
#61 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 10:47 AM | Reply
#55 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-02-23 12:31 AM | FLAG:
Armored cars with machine guns did.
#62 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-23 11:18 AM | Reply
#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-02-22 05:34 PM | FLAG:
Republicans willing to suspend Habeus Corpus and burn states to the ground.
You don't have the stomach for that. You're ashamed of having done tech support at a company that makes missiles.
#63 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-23 11:19 AM | Reply
Common sense is usually code for lazy bulls&^%.
#52 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-02-23 12:06 AM | FLAG:
Nah, it's code for people too stupid to run away and/or are easily kidnapped or robbed typically based on a past exposure to violence.
Why to people in the hood run from gunfire? Common sense. Why do most men think they can fight? No common sense.
#64 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-23 11:24 AM | Reply
I grasp it completely. But I don't think you understood my post. You see, I don't think there is going to be any civil war, not in my town or anywhere else. No President in his right mind would even allow it to get off the launching pad. Any rallies or gatherings to gauge support for such a thing would be infiltrated by FBI agents.
In the unlikely chance that such a thing could be sneaked past the FBI and the especially the President, he certainly has the resourced to squelch it in its infancy.
America has moved past the Mississippi River since Appomattox, if you get my drift. Any civil war like you envision would cost businesses many billions of dollars in lost revenue. No captains of industry, no Wall Street billionaires, no importers and exporters of goods and certainly no Silicon Valley communication giants are going to tolerate that.
I think you need to get over your fear and look at things from a more practical standpoint.
#65 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-23 11:29 AM | Reply
JPW/Twin,
You guys are dumping cold water on Zed. He's getting off to the idea he's going to be martyred.
#66 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 11:32 AM | Reply
I will do exactly what I did during the last POTUS election. Go vote, pack up the dogs, throw them and my overnight bag into the back of the SUV, take a day of annual leave, drive to a place to stay near Sheandoah N.P., spend the night in the hotel/motel/cottage, and spend a peaceful day the next day hiking Shenandoah N.P. with my dogs...
It really helped with the stress last election to treat the whole thing like a small vacation, and treat myself.
I recommend something similar to everyone stressed out by the election.
#67 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-02-23 11:42 AM | Reply
I think you need to stop talking so confidently out your ass.
"Captains of industry" lol you talk like you're a middle school social studies textbook.
Those "captains of industry" don't have a say in whether disgruntled MAGA morons start to engage in a violent response to the election. Whether they be Wall Street, Silicon Valley, exporters or importers ...
They. Have. No. Say.
Why? Because they are viewed just as much as enemies of MAGA as libruls, soshulizts, gays, CoMmIeSzz, trans, minorities ect ect ect.
And my fear? Lol I'm not the one soothing myself with grand pronouncements of artillery and man power, neither of which are the reality that would need to be contended with by those who choose to act out violently.
#68 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 11:57 AM | Reply
Who won the American Civil War. Was it The Left? #49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Republicans willing to suspend Habeus Corpus and burn states to the ground. You don't have the stomach for that. #63 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG
We don't? Seen Gaza lately? Seen Chicago any given weekend?
#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 11:58 AM | Reply
He's getting off to the idea he's going to be martyred.
#66 | POSTED BY EBERLY
I think zed has a better grasp of what civil strife would look like than people like twin do.
If widespread violence does occur, the biggest danger will be your local MAGA loons. Some meal team six "militia" from Michigan isn't going to be the problem in Texas.
Although, unless zed is a local politician or official or vocal Dem, he's not likely to be a target either.
#70 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:01 PM | Reply
Who's we, snoofy?
And no, Chicago does not at all resemble the greatest southern BBQ ever on any weekend. Ever.
#71 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:02 PM | Reply
EBERLY
I think JEB will be doing what every fine American will be doing. He'll be high-fiving the FBI for their good work. By the time any riots get off the ground the FBI will have the names, locations, bios and civil war strategy of every leader of the pack, and they'll be arrested post haste for conspiracy to incite riots.
#72 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-23 12:11 PM | Reply
72
I agree.
But normally when I downplay the predicted catastrophe and hysteria I get called an ostrich.
#73 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 12:14 PM | Reply
You're ashamed of having done tech support at a company that makes missiles. #63 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG
Snoofy doesn't mind if you do it though.
He just doesn't want to get his hands dirty.
#74 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-23 12:17 PM | Reply
"having done tech support"
and we're being pretty liberal on our definition of "tech support", right?
#75 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 12:19 PM | Reply
"Who's we, snoofy?"
We are what passes for "The Left" in America. We are the winners of the Civil War and WWII. But don't get carried away. We are not as "left" as the other winners of WWII.
#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
We didn't do any of that.
#77 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:27 PM | Reply
and we're being pretty liberal on our definition of "tech support", right? #75 | POSTED BY EBERLY
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#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 12:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
We didn't do any of that. #77 | POSTED BY JPW
Group inclusion has never been your strong suit.
#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 12:29 PM | Reply
We are what passes for "The Left" in America.
#76 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-02-23 12:21 PM | FLAG:
We're ------. 10 to 1 you can't shoot without flinching.
#80 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-23 12:31 PM | Reply
You have no clue, Twin.
en.m.wikipedia.org
Dude acquired, assembled and transported a moving truck sized fertilizer bomb. Undetected.
You seem to jump around from rationalization to rationalization of how MAGA will be squelched. None of it particularly realistic.
#81 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:32 PM | Reply
#79 taking credit for past history is just stupid.
And an intellectually weak argument.
What is your point, exactly?
#82 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:33 PM | Reply
#80 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG
Does he even know how to load the damn thing?
#83 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:34 PM | Reply
Now, now.
Ya'll are scarin' JPW'd silly.
He's already got a Proud Boy under his bed!
My point... way above... was to Sitzbath who claimed that much of the military would join the Revoltin' Rwingers.
I noted that it was my opinion, and the opinion of many who study such things much more than I do, that active duty military will follow orders, mostly, and be much better equipped.
So, it may be a bit premature to be shaking in your booties.
#84 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-23 12:35 PM | Reply
You bring it on yourself. I seem to recall you called me a couple vile names not long ago when I disagreed with you. You don't know how to disagree politely.
Fortunately, I just consider the source. Maybe you should change your style or lay off the hooch when you post here.
#85 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-23 12:42 PM | Reply
Why do you idiots think I'm the one "shaking in my booties" when yall are the ones snuggling the military power wooby?
I'm not the one who thinks it'll hit that point, unlike some who'd "love to see" it happen.
#86 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 12:43 PM | Reply
Naw, when one is a disgusting vile POS as hot wheels is, everything about the scumbag is fair game
No. Making fun of a vile POS for being in a wheelchair is not fair game, it's obnoxious behavior that i would expect from Republicans. It means you think being handicapped is funny.
#87 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-23 12:43 PM | Reply
"#79 taking credit for past history is just stupid."
Okay, but if you take a look at your nation's flag, every star is taking credit for past history.
"And an intellectually weak argument."
Is it? People are saying violence will erupt. Will it erupt from The Left, is that the part they aren't saying?
"What is your point, exactly?"
The point is that in both the Civil War and WWII, the two wars which define America, The Left was on the right side of history.
#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#73 | Posted by eberly
Like when you acted like the left was hysterical for no reason over trump's election, then he ended up getting a half million americans killed and ending the peaceful transition of power.
Maybe it's time to accept that the left sees things more clearly than you do with your head in the sand.
#89 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-23 12:47 PM | Reply
"You don't know how to disagree politely."
I'll accept that from you if I indeed did post something vile towards you with no provocation.
#90 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 12:48 PM | Reply
But normally when I downplay the predicted catastrophe and hysteria I get called an ostrich. #73 | Posted by eberly
Correctly so, we must observe. What Republican policies have you downplayed, that haven't turned out to be a disaster? Name just anything.
#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 12:50 PM | Reply
"the left was hysterical for no reason"
I know. Nothing happened like was predicted.
hysteria.....it's what's for dinner at whineloudly's house.
#92 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 12:51 PM | Reply
"Dude acquired, assembled and transported a moving truck sized fertilizer bomb. Undetected."
Not entirely sure about the "undetected" part. The unnamed, unindicted third co-conspirator could very well have been a government agent. I don't have a better reason why that person would simply disappear without a trace.
#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 12:55 PM | Reply
"the left was hysterical"
Hysterical is the only emotion the left ever has, according to Deplorables. It's especially funny because of the sexism baked into the word hysterical.
#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 12:58 PM | Reply
Nothing happened like was predicted.
Saying nothing happened as a result of Trump being elected is one of the most profoundly ignorant things i've ever seen uttered on this cesspool of a website.
#95 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-23 01:02 PM | Reply
I'm snuggling with the awesome resources of the FBI.
I used the words "unlikely chance" when referring to the resources of the President.
#96 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-23 01:06 PM | Reply
#80. Sitz, you are forgetting who holds the military. That resides firmly w the POTUS. Current POTUS, Biden. Likely next POTUS. Biden.
Bet you flinch when the Predator drone zooms in on you and the rest of the 'resistance'.
Hopefully it wont come to that, but if any state would be dumb enough to take on the US military, it is safe money that that resistance would include Texas...
#97 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-02-23 01:17 PM | Reply
-Saying nothing happened as a result of Trump being elected is one of the most profoundly ignorant things i've ever seen uttered on this cesspool of a website.
I couldn't agree more.
perhaps you can look up "as predicted" so you can understand what that means.
#98 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 01:32 PM | Reply
-Maybe it's time to accept that the left sees things more clearly than you do with your head in the sand.
I'm not accusing the left of NOT seeing things clearly. In fact, I believe the left has been better on about everything.
I'd rather have my head in the sand than where you keep yours.
#99 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 01:37 PM | Reply
perhaps you can look up "as predicted"
You didn't say "as predicted," you said "was predicted," ------. Regardless, i'm curious what you think was predicted that didn't actually occur.
#100 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-23 01:41 PM | Reply
-You didn't say "as predicted," you said "was predicted,"
Okay....LOL
-i'm curious what you think was predicted that didn't actually occur.
I could throw some out but nobody is going to claim it unless it actually happened....so it's pointless.
#101 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 01:45 PM | Reply
This might be one of the more ridiculous things I've read today.
This doesn't at all address what you quoted.
#88 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
It's not that black and white, nor does it justify saying "we" did anything. Its just partisan nonsense trying to score what you think are points.
#102 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 01:48 PM | Reply
"Okay, but if you take a look at your nation's flag, every star is taking credit for past history."
"This might be one of the more ridiculous things I've read today."
Tell me what the stars mean to you, JPW.
#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 01:50 PM | Reply
Who wasn't able to stop a small group from blowing the front of a federal building off.
Who won't be able to stop stochastic events planned and executed at a local level amidst a significant uptick of violence.
For instance, sons who murder and dismember their fathers for being a federal employee or getting vaccinated.
#104 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 01:51 PM | Reply
"It's not that black and white"
There's not a lot of shades of grey to it.
Charles A Lindbergh sided with the Nazis until the war started. Lots of Americans did. Corky likes posting the picture of the Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden.
#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 01:52 PM | Reply
It means there are 50 states. One star for each.
That's not taking credit for anything as it's just a literal symbol.
#106 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 01:55 PM | Reply
Its just partisan nonsense trying to score what you think are points. #102 | POSTED BY JPW
It's partisan, but it makes plenty of sense. FDR Democrat means something even if you don't know what those somethings are.
#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 01:57 PM | Reply
That's not taking credit for anything as it's just a literal symbol. #106 | POSTED BY JPW
It's a testament to our conquest of North America. It honors our Manifest Destiny.
It's celebrating all that.
#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 01:58 PM | Reply
"There's not a lot of shades of grey ... Lots of ... "
Strike three, you're out.
#109 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 02:00 PM | Reply
Republicans are such sore losers.
#110 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-02-23 02:01 PM | Reply
FDR Democrat means something even if you don't know what those somethings are.
#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Ahhhh yes. I disagree because I don't know what you think you know.
It's hilarious watching people like you devolve into mirror images of MAGA morons.
#111 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 02:02 PM | Reply
#92 | Posted by eberly
Yeah just a half million dead americans and a coup attempt against democracy.
Or as eberly phrases it to defend his fascist cult: "nothing."
#112 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-23 02:03 PM | Reply
-It's hilarious watching people like you devolve into mirror images of MAGA morons.
He really hasn't devolved at all.
He's always been that moronic.
#113 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 02:13 PM | Reply
"It's hilarious watching people like you devolve into mirror images of MAGA morons."
FDR Democrats are MAGA Morons?
Holy ---- dude.
#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 02:14 PM | Reply
"I disagree because I don't know what you think you know."
Can you even load a gun? That's you doing that.
#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 02:14 PM | Reply
How could someone be a liberal, a progressive, a Yellow Dog, or any kind of Democrat, and not know what FDR Democrat means?
#116 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-23 02:18 PM | Reply
What is this ------ drivel about WW 2 and how that makes democrats better?
There are plenty of better examples of democrats being better Americans than WW 2.
Detaining American citizens because they are of Japanese descent dropping 2 atomic bombs on civilians then...massively escalating Vietnam only 2 decades later
I'm not being critical of Democrats....rather, let's use some better examples of their acts that are good for mankind.
#117 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 02:19 PM | Reply
I like how you guys don't acknowledge the stars on the flag are a testament to our legacy and heritage of conquest.
Do you like not notice the flags from WWII are in a square pattern, not a diamond pattern, and there's only 48 of them?
#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 02:19 PM | Reply
, "and not know what FDR Democrat means?"
doesn't mean you are one.
#119 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 02:20 PM | Reply
"the stars on the flag are a testament to our legacy and heritage of conquest."
conquest.....you mean the slaughter of Native Americans or Slavery?
#120 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 02:21 PM | Reply
I noticed the other day, when it was pointed out by a Russian, that the Hammer and Sycle emblem of the USSR was printed over the Globe, not over the Soviet States.
It was a Russian University professor interviewed on the street in Moscow pointing out that Vlad still has that vision.
#121 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-23 02:24 PM | Reply
, "and not know what FDR Democrat means?" doesn't mean you are one. #119 | POSTED BY EBERLY
What do the Democrats stand for? What do today's Democrats stand for? "Democrats believe that the economy should work for everyone, health care is a right, our diversity is our strength and democracy is worth defending," the party said in a summary of its 2020 party platform. The Democrats are the more socially and economically liberal of America's two parties and generally favor enforced rights for racial and ethnic minorities, women, LGBTQ+ people, abortion access, and collective bargaining by workers. theweek.com
#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
Sickle lol
#123 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-23 02:27 PM | Reply
#122 | Posted by snoofy
And what do today's republican's stand for?
Nothing except protecting trump from accountability for his crimes, and protecting themselves from accountability for supporting him.
#124 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-23 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
"Most Texas Voters Think..."
Poor premise for any thread. This one shows why.
#125 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-23 02:30 PM | Reply
"There are plenty of better examples of democrats being better Americans than WW 2."
Are there? Compare Democrats to what Charles A. Lindbergh was offering. www.youtube.com
#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 02:30 PM | Reply
"the Hammer and Sycle emblem of the USSR was printed over the Globe, not over the Soviet States."
See, that's too ambitious. We just claim the smaller of two hemispheres, thanks to James Monroe. Oceana, in George Orwell terms.
#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 02:32 PM | Reply
"Who wasn't able to stop a small group from blowing the front of a federal building off."
FBI stands for Federal Bureau of Investigations."
They don't guard federal buildings as a rule.
#128 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-02-23 02:36 PM | Reply
#115 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
No, it's not.
In any case, anti-war groups like the AFC had Repub and Dem members and spokesmen.
All of this is irrelevant to the fact that "we" didn't do s$&^ to win anything. "We" have just argued on an Internet forum.
#129 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 02:46 PM | Reply
#128 | POSTED BY TWINPAC
Lol are you being intentionally obtuse?
#130 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 02:47 PM | Reply
"All of this is irrelevant to the fact that "we" didn't do s$&^ to win anything."
Oh?
Can I take any tiny amount of credit for whatever got blown up by the missiles that went through the office I supported for Uncle Sam? Or is that also not something I did.
#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 02:51 PM | Reply
Let me know when you did something at all comparable to that for WWII or the civil war.
Until then, keep your non sequiturs to yourself.
It's really odd how someone who wasn't alive for either of those is so butthurt at being told they didn't do anything to win either of those conflicts.
#132 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 02:59 PM | Reply
It's alien to me how you don't associate being an American with the things America has done.
Obviously I didn't land on the moon. But I see no problem with the statement that we, meaning Americans, went to the moon.
You remind me of the people who refuse to credit Obama with killing OBL since Obama wasn't the one who pulled the trigger.
Or the people who say what's America's racist past got to do with me, why should I feel bad about it, like anyone asked you to feel bad about it.
#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 04:26 PM | Reply
#133 | Posted by snoofy
Recently all the horrible things in america have been done by republicans. I dont consider the iraq invasion or trumps coup attempt to be american crimes. They are republican crimes.
#134 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-23 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
I do, but in my mind AMERICA did that. Not "we."
Especially when someone is trying to gain an upper hand in an argument by claiming association with a major political party that was in power during a major event.
Except I do give Obama credit for that. Because he made the decision and gave the green light. He actually played a role in that event.
I tend to err on the side of precision and accuracy of this kind of thing. Obama gets credit for making the decision, SEAL dude gets credit for pulling the trigger.
#135 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 04:50 PM | Reply
Also, to your first point, I don't think children should be judged and treated differently for the sins or accomplishments of their fathers.
Particularly when it comes to the negative or dark aspects of our history, I avoid holding people alive now responsible for it. My ancestors were chilling on a farm outside of Warsaw and in a London suburb when slavery was a thing here. Same for when independence was being fought for.
I see now reason for me to take blame or credit for either.
#136 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 04:54 PM | Reply
-Especially when someone is trying to gain an upper hand in an argument by claiming association with a major political party that was in power during a major event.
and what's even more absurd is the notion there IS an upper hand in that argument.
"alien to me"
good analogy. It's because you live in a binary world. Everywhere you go and everything you see there is a fence and you're standing on 1 side loathing those on the other side. And all the problems of your world are caused by the folks on the other side of that fence.
I agree there are times to see things that way but the entire world is not binary like that.
except to you.....and whineloudly.
Pointing to significant events like WW II are proof of it. You can't drag that fence back in time to place it where you want so you can say "we good.....they bad".
snoofy and whine see themselves as liberals first....rather than an American first.
IT's just who they are.....I'm not calling it evil or bad.....but it's not for me.
#137 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 05:00 PM | Reply
Wasn't the original point attributions of success to particular people and parties?
FDR and the Democrats specifically, for the New Deal and winning the Second World War?
And the the comparison to Republicans, whose last decent human being as Pres was Ike, who warned us about the MIC; which we pretty much now just refer to as the Crony Corporate entities... the Party who haven't had any purpose other than serving them ever since.
Even if that means letting Russia fund their elections and their candidates.
#138 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-23 05:06 PM | Reply
"Especially when someone is trying to gain an upper hand in an argument by claiming association with a major political party that was in power during a major event."
Those aren't checks Corky or I can cash. Those are just things that happened, things that Democrats did, things that give you a sense of where Democrat values lie. Things like Truman integrated the military. LBJ passed Civil Rights, FDR instituted a minimum wage. That's just history. Same history also shows plenty of Americans were fond of Hitler, when he was leading Germany as a White Nativist Populist.
As for which party was in power during a major event, History shows Republicans are the ones who fulfilled their generations long promise to overturn Roe v Wade. Give Republicans credit for their accomplishments, Eberly. Just as voters give Republicans blame for the exact same thing.
#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#137 | Posted by eberly
Here's the issues conservatives have been on the wrong side of: Slavery, the civil war, jim crow, women voting, social security, public health, minorities voting, vietnam, the drug war, reaganomics, gun deregulation, climate change, iraq, and trump's coup attempt.
Name an issue conservatives were on the right side of and liberals were wrong about. Change my mind.
#140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-23 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
"snoofy and whine see themselves as liberals first....rather than an American first."
No, that's wrong on both accounts. My argument for single payer isn't even based on some notion of everyone getting insurance, though of course everyone should get insurance. It's based on the cold hard facts that it's cheaper to do single payer than what we have. That's a conservative economic argument at heart. I'm only a liberal when it comes to social policy like letting whoever get married or pick their gender or have good quality schools they can go to.
And, since you brought it up, having that kind of freedom over your own personal destiny, is what I think it means to be an American.
#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 05:17 PM | Reply
Name an issue conservatives were on the right side of and liberals were wrong about. Change my mind. #140 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY
Well, one thing even Bernie Sanders would agree with is the USSR was pretty much as bad as they said. But that's ancient history.
Of course, todays Republicans think Russia under Putin is better than USA with Biden at the helm, so they aren't even right about that any more.
#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 05:19 PM | Reply
"Pointing to significant events like WW II are proof of it. You can't drag that fence back in time to place it where you want so you can say "we good.....they bad".
I can say Charles A. Lindbergh was bad. Can you say that? The man loved him some Hitler. Can you say that's bad?
Thomas Jefferson some might say is bad, for what he did to that little girl. But I'm not talking about personal life. I'm talking about politics; what they wanted for this country. And what TJ wanted was pretty good, compared to his contemporaries and in many ways by modern standards too. There's a reason President of the University of Virginia is listed first on his tomb.
#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 05:21 PM | Reply
Those are just things that happened, things that Democrats did, things that give you a sense of where Democrat values lie.
Different people, different times.
I don't think anything more than a statement of fact that Democrats did that is possible, certainly not a linear comparison of morals, values and principles.
I think modern day Dems would be shocked by the casual racism even 1930s Dems would exhibit. I think 1930s Dems would be shocked by the pro-gay/trans positions of modern Dems.
#144 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 05:24 PM | Reply
#144 I'm talking about identifying with the values in that Norman Rockwell painting.
Those are the things I think we as Americans all ought to believe in.
The racism would shock the average Democrat more than the average Republican.
I am not sure what you mean by "pro gay" and "pro trans."
I'm not pro gay or pro trans. I'm for gays and trans having equal rights.
People that aren't like me, they are against equal rights. You maybe could call them pro straight.
#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 05:39 PM | Reply
"I'm not pro gay or pro trans. I'm for gays and trans having equal rights."
"Equal rights" for gays and trans? Or for everyone? Including those who were not gay or trans?
#146 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-23 05:45 PM | Reply
I see ya'll finally hit a subject that intrigues MB, rofl.
Enough so that his sentence is a non sequitur... at best.
Because he knows what you meant was inclusive of everyone.
Or maybe he didn't, and I just give him too much credit.
#147 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-23 06:12 PM | Reply
"And, since you brought it up, having that kind of freedom over your own personal destiny, is what I think it means to be an American."
---------. You don't have that freedom. Or at least you don't think you do.
It's been taken from you.
And the thieves are the GOP.
#148 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 08:00 PM | Reply
"Change my mind."
You admit it.
Fence.
You one 1 side.
Bad people on other side.
Binary world.
#149 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 08:06 PM | Reply
---------. You don't have that freedom. Or at least you don't think you do. It's been taken from you. And the thieves are the GOP. #148 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Not from me. Not yet. I don't live in a Red State.
#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 08:50 PM | Reply
You one 1 side. Bad people on other side. Binary world. #149 | POSTED BY EBERLY
I'm not too worried about "bad people" until they are in the business of doing bad things, at scale, because of the power they wield in society.
Because a racist Supreme Court Justice has a bigger impact on society at large, than a ---------er who deals drugs and murders his rivals.
Power isn't binary, it's a gradient, but everybody knows the difference between the Haves and the Have Nots.
#151 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 09:11 PM | Reply
@#149 ... You admit it.
Binary world. ...
Admit what?
Here's the comment that seemed to generate your reply, #140...
...Here's the issues conservatives have been on the wrong side of: Slavery, the civil war, jim crow, women voting, social security, public health, minorities voting, vietnam, the drug war, reaganomics, gun deregulation, climate change, iraq, and trump's coup attempt. Name an issue conservatives were on the right side of and liberals were wrong about. Change my mind. ...
Name an issue conservatives were on the right side of and liberals were wrong about. Change my mind. ...
So, I have to ask, why avoid commenting upon the gist of the comment?
#152 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 10:03 PM | Reply
-So, I have to ask, why avoid commenting upon the gist of the comment?
Because I don't have to follow every deflection down some rabbit trail.
Does your alias usually do that?
#153 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 10:20 PM | Reply
-I'm not too worried about "bad people"
You can't even identify them.
Deep down you know that.
#154 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 10:30 PM | Reply
"You can't even identify them."
All I can do is judge them by the impacts of their policy.
Take Trump's child separation policy. Or the Bush Era Torture Memo. Anybody with fingerprints on that is a bad person. You really gonna disagree with that?
Biden is a bad person for what he did to push the War on Drugs. The other party didn't offer a better alternative, but it's still a black mark on Biden's record, and one he hasn't done enough to rectify, and probably won't. But at least he's not doing it any more, and isn't showing any signs of doing that kind of thing in the future.
W. Bush did a good thing with PEPFAR. Just another example of judging by policy impact.
#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 10:43 PM | Reply
You can't even identify them. Deep down you know that.
#154 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Not sure about the "deep down" part.
Not being able to identify them is what makes the Second Amendment so stupid.
That's not deep down that's a plain fact in open view.
#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-23 10:45 PM | Reply
@#153 ... Does your alias usually do that? ...
Not usually.
But sometimes, I have to admit, rabbit holes can be entertaining, especially when the Cult of Trump is involved.
:)
#157 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 10:52 PM | Reply
NewJohnny5 - Let Go (1986) www.youtube.com
Wow, no lyrics seem to be available.
I was not aware this song was deemed to be so trivial...
#158 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 11:08 PM | Reply
"Because he knows what you meant was inclusive of everyone."
Not really.
"Trans rights" generally means that one's beliefs entitle them to privileges that others who do not share those beliefs don't have.
#159 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 04:26 AM | Reply
"I'm not too worried about "bad people" until they are in the business of doing bad things, at scale, because of the power they wield in society."
It would be more accurate to say that that you're not worried about people doing things that you agree with, bad or not.
It's only when people do stuff you disagree with that problems arise. You've demonstrated that in every thread referencing HAMAS.
And you're actually quite Marxist. I'm noticing that more and more.
#160 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 04:28 AM | Reply
Yes, there will be violence after the 2024 election. The only question is how bad. A lot hinges upon how frightened the fascists are afterward. If Biden wins, and especially if he wins big, they may be intimidated. No, not go away. Hide like spiders under rocks. But that will mean that some innocent people get to live.
#161 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-24 07:29 AM | Reply
"No, not go away. Hide like spiders under rocks."
Y' mean, go back to where they cam from?
I suppose they have always been here...it's just recently they felt empowered to climb out from underneath the rocks.
#162 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 09:18 AM | Reply
"Trans rights" generally means that one's beliefs entitle them to privileges that others who do not share those beliefs don't have. #159 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER
Huh? What rights would those even be? Give us some examples of what you're talking about.
For the record I think trans people should have the same rights as other people.
#163 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 09:39 AM | Reply
-All I can do is judge them by the impacts of their policy.
By "them" you mean party.
You don't even recognize individual people. Just what party they belong to.
It's cute you pretend massively in hindsight to recognize individuals....but let's be honest...you can't do that.
It's nice you're attempting to be a human being on this thread.
#164 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-24 09:39 AM | Reply
"By "them" you mean party."
Not just party, but obviously the goals of the party and how they implement policy to achieve those goals is fair game.
Them really means leaders.
#165 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 09:52 AM | Reply
"You don't even recognize individual people. Just what party they belong to."
I recognize individual people. Like Maryland's former Republican governor who hid his medical supplies from Trump. That was good leadership.
I recognize that party is the organizing principle for politics. It's the starting place.
#166 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 09:54 AM | Reply
The whole point of having a party is the same reason soldiers wear uniforms.
It's how you can tell what side someone is on.
#167 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 09:58 AM | Reply
And you're actually quite Marxist. I'm noticing that more and more. #160 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER
What's that mean, to be quite Marxist? Marx was an economic historian.
Let's take my support for equal rights for trans people. Where's the Marxism?
#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 10:04 AM | Reply
"For the record I think trans people should have the same rights as other people."
Uhhh...they do have the same rights as other people. Do they not?
#169 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 12:50 PM | Reply
Uhhh...they do have the same rights as other people. Do they not? #169 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER
^ Is that the Marxism?
#170 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 12:55 PM | Reply
"What's that mean, to be quite Marxist? Marx was an economic historian."
You're a prime example of a believer in dialectical materialism. And Marx was a philosopher who framed history under a lens of dialectical materialism.
He tried to be an economist, but his lack of objectivity prevented him from doing much other than parroting Adam Smith and the labor theory of value.
And DO NOT get me wrong, I'd never accuse you of being anything even remotely resembling and economist.
#171 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 12:55 PM | Reply
On Dictator Day I promise I won't fire until I see the red of their hats.
Semper Fi.
#4 | Posted by donnerboy
posted from the clock tower
#172 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-02-24 01:18 PM | Reply
"The whole point of having a party is the same reason cheerleaders wear uniforms.
It's how you can tell what side someone is on."
FT
#173 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-24 01:20 PM | Reply
"You're a prime example of a believer in dialectical materialism."
Give me some examples of what that means, as a practical matter. I said I think trans people and gay people should have the same rights as anyone else. Is that dialectical materialism?
#174 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 01:25 PM | Reply
"The whole point of having a party is the same reason cheerleaders wear uniforms. It's how you can tell what side someone is on." FT #173 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Cheerleaders, players, in some sports even the coaches. And the fans, who cosplay as the players by wearing their jerseys.
But engaging politics like it's a spectator sport is for small minded people. Sports aren't impactful outside the world of sports. Politics impacts our lives in countless ways every day.
#175 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 01:31 PM | Reply
That's great, but the comment was less about sports than about mass murder threats by liberal known as donnerboy.
#176 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-02-24 01:48 PM | Reply
-But engaging politics like it's a spectator sport is for small minded people. Sports aren't impactful outside the world of sports. Politics impacts our lives in countless ways every day."
On the spectrum with spectator sport on 1 end and life/death on the other end?
Issues hashed out here are a step away from a spectator sport and miles away from life/death.
People take themselves and the issues way too seriously most of the time.
Both sides. Boaz on 1 side of the fence and you on the other. Both confident the other is crazy and dangerous.
#177 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-24 02:48 PM | Reply
This stuff needs to be taken seriously, eberly ... even if you and I are not directly effected because of our white privilege and money.
Big terrible things are happening in this country, like alabama essentially banning IVF. these things require our attention and yes *gasp* our mortification sometimes.
#178 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-02-24 03:22 PM | Reply
#149 | Posted by eberly
Close.
People who support democracy on one side. The cult that attempted a coup on the other.
Hard choice for you?
#179 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-24 03:31 PM | Reply
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