God Bless the USA Bible Not What It Seems

Friday, April 19, 2024

I'm disappointed.

Posted by BillJohnson at 01:30 PM | 181 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry |

I own several Bibles and study Bibles. I have different translations and simply enjoy my collection. So, the God Bless the USA Bible was destined to be on my shelf. Anyone who has read my posts knows I have issues with mixing capitalism and Christianity anyway. I find the whole idea of making money selling The Gospel as contradictory. However, to be realistic Bibles cost money to make and people enjoy buying Christian music. About 3 weeks ago I purchased this God Bless bible that claims Trump isn't getting a dime and was sold a few years ago and is being resurrected (so to speak). After making the purchase I got an email saying they received the order and I was charged. The website says they have plenty in stock and are shipping daily. I haven't seen a thing from them since. There is no contact information on the receipt and no indication when it will ship. On their website there is a form to ask questions. The page says they will answer my question. I've filled out the form 3 times asking for a ship date and have heard nothing. I know they have my correct email because I did get the receipt. They are simply not responding.

So ... I am wondering if this actually is a scam.

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... I'm disappointed. ...

The linked OpEd (yes, I read the entire OpEd) has many views.

What, specifically, disappoints you?

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Scam and Trump go hand in hand. I will be surprised if you aren't scammed BillJohnson.

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-17 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"I own several Bibles and study Bibles. I have different translations and simply enjoy my collection. "

Am I the only one who sees an issue with different translations (and versions, i.e. interpretations) of the "word of god" as being an inherently flawed concept?

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 07:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I find the whole idea of making money selling The Gospel as contradictory."

"Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!"
George Carlin

Prosperity gospel, the riches of the catholic church, etc.

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Am I the only one who sees an issue with different translations (and versions, i.e. interpretations) of the "word of god" as being an inherently flawed concept?

POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-04-17 07:44 PM | REPLY

I'll defend BillJohnson here. I don't see a problem with this. Different translations offer up to the reader the ability to understand the text written. Some people understand differently. Besides it's what is in the spirit of the believer and G-d that matters most. Good on BillJohnson for doing so.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-17 07:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"...that claims Trump isn't getting a dime..."

LOL

Will people EVER learn.

I am not sure where you got THAT claim

www.cnbc.com's%20campaign.

It is unclear how much money Trump is making off the Bible " he is receiving royalties from its sales, a person familiar with the arrangement told The New York Times " but whatever he gets will be effectively going into his pocket. The website for the Bibles says it has no link to Trump's campaign.

The website for the Bibles says it has no link to Trump's campaign. It instead uses Trump's name, likeness and image under paid license from a company called CIC Ventures LLC.

Trump's 2023 financial disclosure calls him the "Manager, President, Secretary, & Treasurer" of CIC Ventures, and lists his revocable trust as the sole owner of the company. Trump has made more than $5 million in speaking engagements through the company, the disclosure shows. Florida business records show CIC's address is the same as Trump's golf club in West Palm Beach, Florida.

Will this cause BillJ to reconsider this life choices? Absolutely not. He will simple deny that ------- is getting paid.

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 07:49 PM | Reply

Lamp,

"What, specifically, disappoints you?"

It's not being run any better than it is.

I have not said I think it's a scam.

I am disappointed this is a poorly run operation with apparently not enough staff or they are lying saying they have it in stock or they don't care or it really is a scam.

Regardless, it's a bad reflection on all parties involved.

Not even a blanket email saying some general time frame it will ship.

This day and age a followup message is standard protocol in a normal business transaction.

They need to get their s*** together.

It's reflecting badly on Trump even though they claim he isn't getting a dime (which I know good and well is a lie...his likeness is being paid for I'm sure at a minimum...Trump wouldn't miss a chance to squeeze a buck)

#7 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 07:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"God Bless the USA Bible"

How do Christians not perceive the danger here?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-17 07:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Truth,

lalalalalalala...fingers in ears.

#9 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 07:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#9 is the perfect retort to #8, well played.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-17 07:52 PM | Reply

MAGA is too stupid to own money. Second time I've said this today.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-17 07:53 PM | Reply

Here's an article about the history of the Bible before Trump endorsed it:

"A Total Scam"--Trump's Endorsed Bible Has a History of Negative Reviews

Customers complained about product quality and shipping delays

www.meidastouch.com

I think you may have told me once that you don't like the King James version, but it looks like that is what this Bible might be:

The God Bless the USA Bible was originally going to be in the New International Version, a popular version in the United States, but switched over to the royalty free King James Version after Bible publisher Zondervan backed out after controversy.

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 07:53 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

No it's not the spirit that matters it is the literal WORD OF GOD, there is no room for interpretation.

The issue with "translations" is that words mean dramatically different things in different languages and in different cultures.

For example, there are 4 different definitions of the word love in Greek, Sanskrit has 96 words for love; ancient Persian has 80

Words have meaning and meanings mean specific things.

Otherwise, there is no objective truth.

But I've been trying to convince religious people that for decades.

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Truth,
lalalalalalala...fingers in ears.

#9 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Thanks for making my point bill.

I am sure ------- appreciates your donation and thinks quite highly of you.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They need to get their s*** together.
It's reflecting badly on Trump even though they claim he isn't getting a dime (which I know good and well is a lie...his likeness is being paid for I'm sure at a minimum...Trump wouldn't miss a chance to squeeze a buck)

#7 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Bill, honestly, please accept this with me not being a dick, but are you familiar with the multiple scam business ------- has run? His charity, his university, his steaks, his water, etc.

I mean knowing about them how could you think the bibles were somehow going to be different?

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#7 ... It's not being run any better than it is.

I have not said I think it's a scam.

I am disappointed this is a poorly run operation with apparently not enough staff or they are lying saying they have it in stock or they don't care or it really is a scam. ...

Regardless, it's a bad reflection on all parties involved.

Not even a blanket email saying some general time frame it will ship.

This day and age a followup message is standard protocol in a normal business transaction. ...

Yeah, I do agree about the poorly run operation aspect.

I take a step back and ask.... why does this operation seem to be so poorly run??

Fmr Pres Trump should have the ability to assemble an awesome business team to run this, I'll call it, operation.

But they didn't.

So, who's running it?

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 07:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... I'm disappointed. ..

And, fwiw, the closing words of the cited article... (yes, I did read the entire article....)

... We must oppose the "God Bless the USA" Bible as white Christian nationalist propaganda because Jesus said, "I will build my church," not "I will build this nation." ...

[emphasis mine]

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 08:01 PM | Reply

Is this thread trolling? I honestly can't tell. Like if Bill is being serious, I am honestly worried about his well being

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 08:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#18

There have been a number of threads started here where the initiator of the thread seemed to have just read the headline, and not the full article, which seems to contradict the headline.

Is this thread one of them?

I wish I knew.

Which is why I ask the questions I did.

...

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 08:09 PM | Reply

Gal,

Not that I don't like the KJV. I just don't try to read it. Some Christians put the KJV on a pedestal.

I mean...as if God chose English to be the official Christian language.

I'm a little radical I guess because I don't really accept the idea any translation from Greek and Hebrew can be infallible like some people believe. They are translations of another language afterall.

This particular Bible is KJV probably because it is in the public domain and free.

NKJV is nice. The opinion is you should look at a variety of translations.

I purchased this one for my collection.

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 08:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No single English translation will ever represent the original biblical languages perfectly. Why? In part because the Bible's ancient languages do not function like English. A word in Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic might not have an exact English word to match.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-17 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I purchased this one for my collection.
#20 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

It might take a while, but I hope you get it and that the copy you get has the correct margins. Let us know.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 08:16 PM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Yep, and my original point stands. There is an inherent flaw in the translation of "god's word" into another language

Of course, since the whole thing is the imagination of a few men it really doesn't matter.

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 08:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I purchased this one for my collection.
#20 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
It might take a while, but I hope you get it and that the copy you get has the correct margins. Let us know.

#22 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Wouldn't it be better if he DIDN'T receive it and received a refund instead?

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#20 ... mean...as if God chose English to be the official Christian language. ...

Since you scoff at God choosing English as the official Christian language...

I have a question....

What language did God choose as the official Christian language?

And as a corollary, what is the "official Christian language?"

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 08:18 PM | Reply

Lamp,

National pride is a secular thing...not religious (in my opinion)

They may overlap but they are still 2 seperate things.

There is no reason to oppose the God Bless... bible.

I see it for what it is.

A marketing gimmick.

Some people appreciate the mixing of the 2 into a single book. Nothing wrong with it.

It's still honoring the Bible and frankly maybe someone will pick it up and read it.

#26 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 08:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Lamp,

"what is the "official Christian language?"

Perhaps it's not a language in the sense we automatically think of.

Maybe prayer is the official language.

It's universal.

Keep in mind...I am Christian and don't accept all the different God's and prayers as being divinely inspired.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 08:29 PM | Reply

Some people appreciate the mixing of the 2 into a single book. Nothing wrong with it.
It's still honoring the Bible and frankly maybe someone will pick it up and read it.
#26 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Sure, who cares about the separation of church and state

#28 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Keep in mind...I am Christian and don't accept all the different God's and prayers as being divinely inspired.
#27 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON A

It definitely is nice to be able to pick and choose what you will hold dear isn't it

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you actually bought that piece of crap from that piece of crap, you're a sucker and a loser.

#30 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-17 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wouldn't it be better if he DIDN'T receive it and received a refund instead?
#24 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

If that's what he wants, sure.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 08:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#26

A nice dodge of the direct question I asked in two different ways in #25.

OK, since you apparently prefer not to answer those questions, I'll ask others...

... National pride is a secular thing...not religious (in my opinion) ...

I agree.

... There is no reason to oppose the God Bless... bible.

I see it for what it is.

A marketing gimmick. ....

OK, my first question. ...

Why did you seem to have the need to use ellipsis in the name of the Bible fmr Pres Trump is hawking? Did you think there were swear words in the title of that bible?

... Some people appreciate the mixing of the 2 into a single book. Nothing wrong with it. ...

So, you say there is nothing wrong with reducing the Bible to a marketing gimmick? If so, I'll disagree. Strongly.

... It's still honoring the Bible ....

Reducing the Bible to a gimmick is honoring the Bible?

Really?

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 08:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lamp,

The link was immaterial. I could have linked anything. Golf scores...whatever.

This thread is really just me getting it off my chest.

Don't look too deep for hidden meaning.

It doesn't sound like something Trump put together.

It's a marketing gimmick using Trumps name most likely and lying when they say Trump isn't being paid anything.

I'm done...

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 08:41 PM | Reply

Lamp,

"Reducing the Bible to a gimmick is honoring the Bible?"

Don't be such a purist.

You'll always find something wrong.

Maybe I need to take my own advice.

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 08:43 PM | Reply

The real question is would folks buying the God Bless America Bible still buy it if it was being sold by someone other than Trump? Let's say If some other politician, hypothecially a Democrat, was selling it? I doubt it. Many who think it is okay now would probably object. LOL

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 08:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The complaint about multiple translations is silly; historians specializing in ancient texts modify translations as they get new information, usually copies that are older than what they had before.

BUT if anyone really wants to know understand the NT, for instance, it would behoof them not to get caught up in 500 plus year old translations, which aren't very good to begin with, and also incorporate 500 plus year old concepts in understanding the texts.

Probably considered the best modern scholar of the NT, by other scholars of ancient texts and theologians in general, is N. T. Wright.

He has written many books and there are videos of his lectures and interviews on yt.

en.wikipedia.org

As far as the Trump retread bible goes, linking it to white nationalism is a sales gimmick to attract money.... you know, the love of which is the, "root of all evil".

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-17 08:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

It doesn't sound like something Trump put together.

Actually it sounds like the exact thing ------- would put together.

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 08:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Translation is an art, not a science. It's not uncommon for classic works of literature to have multiple translations in English, for example.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#33 ... The link was immaterial. I could have linked anything. Golf scores...whatever. ...

Wait, what, you now seem to tell me that you have wasted my time with an immaterial link?

That I wasted my time reading it?

I tried to have a conversation with you. And now you tell me the topic is immaterial.

Wow.

OK, I'll now take that into account in your future posts.

#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 08:53 PM | Reply

It doesn't sound like something Trump put together.
Actually it sounds like the exact thing ------- would put together.
#37 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

He endorsed a Bible that was already in existence. See the article I posted in #12.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 08:55 PM | Reply

You would think gods word would have more ... .precision

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 08:55 PM | Reply

It was put together years ago by a musician to help sell an album, lol.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-17 08:56 PM | Reply

It doesn't sound like something Trump put together.
Actually it sounds like the exact thing ------- would put together.
#37 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS
He endorsed a Bible that was already in existence. See the article I posted in #12.

#40 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Yep, understood and agreed. I'm referring to the well tacky nature of selling a bible and ------- of all people putting h is name on it and then of course the entity selling it being seemingly fly by night

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-17 08:56 PM | Reply

"The complaint about multiple translations is silly"

Silly?

Big difference between
Thou Shalt Not Murder
and
Thou Shalt Not Kill

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-17 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41

The NT is quite precise; the form of Greek it was written in died not long after, so it didn't change over the centuries.

But understanding the concepts the words reflected of the people who wrote them is what made Prof Wright the leading scholar on the subject.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-17 09:00 PM | Reply

#44

I said the complaint in #3 was silly, not the importance of the translation.

The complaint was that since God "wrote" it, there couldn't be any problems with translations... or something.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-17 09:04 PM | Reply

I purchased this one for my collection.
#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 08:13 PM

Klingon Bible Translation Project

#47 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-17 09:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

It was put together years ago by a musician to help sell an album, lol.
#42 | POSTED BY CORKY

Yep, and as of December 2023 it was basically a one man operation run by that very musician:

Things didn't seem to get better over time. In December 2023, Lee Greenwood posted a video showing himself scrambling to get the God Bless the USA Bibles shipped out in time for Christmas. Greenwood said he was "working around the clock," and described how he was doing his "very best" to get copies of his God Bless the USA Bibles out the door.

www.meidastouch.com

Has the operation scaled up since Trump advertised it and is taking a cut? I'd bet not.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal... and as I understand it, these first ones shipped are literally the old originals he had in storage, many of which have been said to have, um, pages stuck together, and a bad smell, lol.

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-17 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#44 ... Big difference between
Thou Shalt Not Murder
and
Thou Shalt Not Kill ...

Yup.

On the end-table next to the sofa I am currently sitting on, and within reach is the book, "The Complete Parallel Bible," all 3300 pages of it. ( search.worldcat.org )

From that book, Exodus 20. Page 154 and 155...

...
New Revised Standard Version: 13 You shall not murder.

Revised English Bible: 13: Do not commit murder.

New American Bible: You shall not kill.

New Jerusalem Bible: You shall not kill.
...

#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

RLR... I like it that the link also shows that:

"The Book of Mormon mormon paq in progress"

so they are wekin' on it

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-17 09:14 PM | Reply

#49 Wow, mildew s(p)oiled Bibles? Even worse than I thought.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 09:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

werking

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-17 09:15 PM | Reply

Maybe it was mailed out already and you haven't received it because it's so unreliable and all.

#54 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-17 09:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I just hope Bill's doesn't have the pages stuck together when he gets it.... ewwww!

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-17 09:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I just hope Bill's doesn't have the pages stuck together when he gets it.... ewwww!
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2024-04-17 09:17 PM | REPLY

Maybe G-d ummmmmm blessed his copy personally.

#56 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-17 09:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I just hope Bill's doesn't have the pages stuck together when he gets it.... ewwww!
#55 | POSTED BY CORKY

Yes, especially because it looks like "all sales are final."

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-17 09:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

..Exodus 20. Page 154 and 155...
...
New Revised Standard Version: 13 You shall not murder.
Revised English Bible: 13: Do not commit murder.
New American Bible: You shall not kill.
New Jerusalem Bible: You shall not kill.
...
#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 09:14 PM

"I affirm that all life is sacred."

Principles of Ma'at

#58 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-17 09:29 PM | Reply

@#58 ... Principles of Ma'at ...

Yep. Thanks for that other view.

So many differing versions.

Which one is right?

Or more importantly to me....

Was religion created merely to explain that which people did not understand?

Were the early priests only people who could tell a story that made sense to explain to people was was happening around them?

Why was religion invented by mankind?

#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 11:05 PM | Reply

@#58 ... Principles of Ma'at ...
Yep. Thanks for that other view.
So many differing versions.
Which one is right?
Or more importantly to me....
Was religion created merely to explain that which people did not understand?
Were the early priests only people who could tell a story that made sense to explain to people was was happening around them?
Why was religion invented by mankind?
#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-17 11:05 PM

It's bitterly humorous to consider one list of mandates physically predating the others by 2000 years could be considered an imitation.

#60 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-18 12:15 AM | Reply

Translation is interpretation.

#61 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-04-18 01:16 AM | Reply

Am I the only one who sees an issue with different translations (and versions, i.e. interpretations) of the "word of god" as being an inherently flawed concept?

#3 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Far from it. Lots of people see that as a problem.

The problem, though, is that the believers don't.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-18 09:58 AM | Reply

I am disappointed this is a poorly run operation with apparently not enough staff or they are lying saying they have it in stock or they don't care or it really is a scam.
Regardless, it's a bad reflection on all parties involved.

Dude. It's Trump. The biggest carnival barking conman of our age.

How could you possibly not been aware of the loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonng list of "bad reflections" that should have told you to steer very very clear of this one?

On a serious note, I know I call righties here stupid all the time. Most of the time it's just part of the ball kicking good time that is the DR, but then stuff like this comes along...

Did you really expect anything more than a setup that efficiently takes your money but everything else is an afterthought? Did you not stop and think "there will probably be a lawsuit about this in the not-so-distant future from people who got nothing for their money..."?

You literally thought the man who's turned the highest office in our government and the most powerful person in the world into a grift after a life of theft, lying, gluttony, adultury, lust...was really interested in selling you a cheesy Bible?

I'm so flabbergasted by it that I'm breaking character and not even taking a swing at this softball that's just levitating in the middle of the strike zone. I mean, what...how...why?

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-18 10:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

" I haven't seen a thing from them since. There is no contact information on the receipt and no indication when it will ship. On their website there is a form to ask questions. The page says they will answer my question. I've filled out the form 3 times asking for a ship date and have heard nothing. "

Your dummy sign is on crooked.

#64 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-18 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why was religion invented by mankind?

To control the weak.

#65 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-18 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why was religion invented by mankind?
To control the weak.
#65 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-18 10:27 AM

This is not my forte, but isn't the premise that mankind has obligations? To one another, the planet in general?

"fellowship" isn't necessarily weakness, it's abuse is.

#66 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-18 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I purchased this one for my collection.
#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 08:13 PM

I have a collection of Harry Potter books.

#67 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-18 10:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Next someone's going to tell me the sneakers I ordered aren't real gold.

#68 | Posted by RevDarko at 2024-04-18 10:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 6

but isn't the premise that mankind has obligations? To one another, the planet in general?

Ask the evangeliturds about that premise.

The NT is strong in taking care of your fellow man etc however most christians would hate Jesus if he returned.

"But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God."

Religion may have started for noble reasons. My opinion is that it started as a way to enforce laws such as don't steal or kill when the local law enforcement authorities were scarce at best. In the centuries since it has been perverted into an organized crime enterprise. If churches want to influence public policy it's time to tax the churches.

#69 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-18 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Nixon,

"The NT is strong in taking care of your fellow man etc however most christians would hate Jesus if he returned."

You just made that up.

#70 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 11:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nixon,

The NT is strong in idol worship, obedience, humility and other intrinsic personal traits.

It's about not judging others, but instead being concerned with your own path.

I seriouly doubt what I might call "genuine" Christians would hate Jesus if they had the chance to meet Him.

#71 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 12:12 PM | Reply

Nixon,

Jesus said the 2 greatest commandments are to love God with all your heart and love your fellow man.

Even atheists accept the second one but Jesus didn't mean just the ones who think like you.

#72 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 12:31 PM | Reply

"love your fellow man."

Just don't loooove your fellow man. That would be gay.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-18 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You just made that up.

#70 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Just like the "Bible" was.

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-18 12:47 PM | Reply

The NT is strong in idol worship, obedience, humility and other intrinsic personal traits.

It's about not judging others, but instead being concerned with your own path.

The New Testament is also full of violence and suffering, violence (and a lot of weird ----) which was/is condoned by Jesus himself apparently.

Also did you know there are probably thousands of self help books out there now?

Also written by humans just like the Bible was. Who now have the knowledge of the ages to drawn upon.

With a lot less violence and suffering in them than the "bible" has.

#75 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-18 12:55 PM | Reply

The New Testament also tells the people to take care of the poor the sick the ones in jail etc etc etc.

#76 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-18 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Laura,

I'm not real sure if taking care of people should include giving the appearance of condoning and supporting sinful lifestyles.

The Bible puts conditions on things and has expectations of our behavior.

Don't expect something for nothing.

#77 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 01:30 PM | Reply

"I'm not real sure if taking care of people should include giving the appearance of condoning and supporting sinful lifestyles."

I highly recommend you consult one of your many Bibles.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-18 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Laura,

The secular world most certainly supports people who live any lifestyle.

But don't use religion to validate and support your secular beliefs and desires.

#79 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 01:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

A fool and his money are soon parted, me boys!

#80 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-04-18 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't expect something for nothing.

#77 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Except for the entire universe. Which apparently came from "nothing".

Nothing matters. A lot!

#81 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-18 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What JC and Paul supported, as they both said the same thing, is to not condemn those people who you consider to be, "condoning and supporting (or living) sinful lifestyles.".

Much less try to use the Gov and the force of Law to enforce your beliefs.

Because you are not perfect either, in whatever ways, and all imperfection misses the mark of perfection. Also, that with whatever condemnation you use against others, you will suffer the same condemnation yourself.

My old Pastor had an example of God's view: Shaq and Danni DeVito are standing at the bottom of the Empire State Building. From the view on the top floor, you can't tell which is which... their height, or their sin, all look pretty much the same.

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-18 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The Bible puts conditions on things and has expectations of our behavior."

Gee I hope it doesn't expect anything from me. Because I came here with nothin and I am leaving with nothing.

But I hear if you expect nothing you will never be disappointed!

See? I told you that Nothing Matters!

A lot!

#83 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-18 01:49 PM | Reply

... Oh, mamma mia, mamma mia
Mamma mia, let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me

... So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye?
So you think you can love me and leave me to die?

Oh, baby, can't do this to me, baby
Just gotta get out, just gotta get right outta here

... Ooh
Ooh, yeah, ooh, yeah

... Nothing really matters, anyone can see
Nothing really matters
Nothing really matters to me

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-18 01:59 PM | Reply

"The Bible carries a sort of map of the mind which looks like the map of a maze, but which is in fact a guide to the maze."

-G.K. Chesterton

Paraphrased by me.

#85 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-04-18 02:01 PM | Reply

#84

Any way the wind blows...busssssshhhh

#86 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-04-18 02:02 PM | Reply

Bismillah!

#87 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-18 02:23 PM | Reply

"Bismillah"

No! We will not let you go!

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-18 02:28 PM | Reply

Corky,

I agree that sin is sin.

It's not my place to judge anyone.

However, Jesus did tell the prostitute to sin no more.

He didn't say do what you wanna do...see ya next week so we can refresh it.

#89 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 02:30 PM | Reply

It's about not judging others, but instead being concerned with your own path.

Two things modern christians don't follow at all.

#90 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-18 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not real sure if taking care of people should include giving the appearance of condoning and supporting sinful lifestyles.

Like raw dogging porn stars while your third wife is nursing her anchor baby, or constant bearing of false witness, or stealing from veterans, charities, students, taxpayers which your support of dementia don condones.

Nevermind the entire don't pray in public or welcome the stranger.

Far too many "christians" pick one paragraph out of the bible and will mark that as their hill to die on and IGNORE everything else including a policy that is absolutely not in the bible.

#91 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-18 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I agree that sin is sin."

Sin is just a man made concept created by the religulous to exert control over the weak minded. Many things that were considered sins by the religulous are no longer considered sins. How can that be?

That's because the so-called "sins" of the religulous are relative to time and space.

Like everything else is.

#92 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-18 02:41 PM | Reply

Donner,

"Sin is just a man made concept created by the religulous to exert control over the weak minded."

Then that makes your opinions about the Bible or interpretations thereof pointless.

#93 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 02:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Then that makes your opinions about the Bible or interpretations thereof pointless.
#93 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Of course it does. You religulous can't tolerate dissent.

Thank Gawd you can't have me charged with blasphemy any more eh?

And you can't have me arrested for shaking the hand of a Colored.

Or Gawd forbid marrying one.

Or charging interest on a loan.

Or eat shellfish.

Or eating pork.

Or planting two kinds of seeds in one field.

Or tattoos.

Or eating rabbit.

Or playing with a football.

#94 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-18 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

94 posts discussing a 2000 year old novel illiterate sheepherders believed to be the word of god.

Bill. You're an idiot.

End of thread.

#95 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-18 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#89

He said not to condemn others who miss the mark, because everyone does.

He also said that no one is 'good', but One.

- the weak minded

There are minds better than many here that belong to real Christians.

#96 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-18 04:19 PM | Reply

- He didn't say do what you wanna do...see ya next week so we can refresh it.

He said that if you even think an imperfect thought it is a sin.... the point being that no one is perfect on this earth.

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-18 04:23 PM | Reply

Donner,

"Or playing with a football."

Or yourself.

We're all doomed I guess.

#98 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 04:30 PM | Reply

I'll post when and if I get the Bible I purchased.

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 07:20 PM | Reply

No one cares.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-18 07:45 PM | Reply

There are minds better than many here that belong to real Christians.

#96 | POSTED BY CORKY

I have found that YOU are a good representative of your beliefs.

Can you name one that's better and why they are "better"? Do they think they are better or is it just you that thinks they are better? Anyway I have been "better" myself at certain times in my life. Sometimes worse!

Pretty sure if you think you are "better" than others then you are doing it wrong.

We are all come from the same "source". And I would bet we are all going right back there when we die. Whatever you choose to call it.

We are all the same just with different perspectives based on where and when (and what bodily or environmental restrictions) we find ourselves in.

Quantum mechanics teaches us that everything is relative to your perspective and the space-time is that you find yourself in.

#101 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-18 10:38 PM | Reply

Ok. Maybe that was confusing. So I'll Go first.

A better mind than mine who represents my beliefs would be Alan Watts. But I am pretty sure he would never say he is "better" than me.

He was just my Other me.

#102 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-18 10:44 PM | Reply

-But I am pretty sure he would never say he is "better" than me.

Not to your face ... ... .:-)

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-18 10:55 PM | Reply

Not to your face ... ... .:-)

#103 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Then you don't know Alan Watts. :)

#104 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-19 11:51 AM | Reply

- Can you name one that's better and why they are "better"?

There are many accomplished scientists and theologians, theists, agnostics, and atheists that I would consider to not be "weak-minded"... including NT Wright, John Lennox, and Francis Collins among them.

Also Dethspud, but he don't play no mo'.

#105 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-19 01:06 PM | Reply

I agree that sin is sin.

It's not my place to judge anyone.

However, Jesus did tell the prostitute to sin no more.

He didn't say do what you wanna do...see ya next week so we can refresh it.

#89 | Posted by BillJohnson

Trump: ""When I drink my little wine " which is about the only wine I drink " and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness ..."

Bill,

Why do evangelicals support the most selfish, lying, adulterous, greedy, sinful man to ever occupy the White House?

#106 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-19 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For Bill Johnson

youtu.be

#107 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-19 03:51 PM | Reply

American,

"Why do evangelicals support the most selfish, lying, adulterous, greedy, sinful man to ever occupy the White House?"

That sounds like a rhetorical question rather than an honest attempt to get insight into evangelicals.

I can't be bothered with that sort of blather.

#108 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-19 03:56 PM | Reply

It's a great question... Donald Jehoshaphat Trump has all the attributes of the Auntie Jesus:

www.youtube.com

#109 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-19 04:03 PM | Reply

Some people appreciate the mixing of the 2 into a single book. Nothing wrong with it.

Revelation 22:18-19
International Standard Version
Concluding Warning

18: I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book. 19: If anyone takes away any words from the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book.

Oops.

#110 | Posted by YAV at 2024-04-19 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

James or Jacob? A problem with the English translations of the Bible: "For these reasons, changing English translations of James to Jacob makes a lot of sense."

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

#111 | Posted by YAV at 2024-04-19 04:16 PM | Reply

Jesus wept.

It's a fugging scam and that's exactly what it seems like.

BillJohnson, you are an idiot.

#112 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-04-19 04:17 PM | Reply

#112 - it's an "in your face" scam. It's hilariously obvious. It's wretched at every level. It is twisted, self-important, unaware, hyper-hypocritical.

#113 | Posted by YAV at 2024-04-19 04:24 PM | Reply

#3 | Posted by truthhurts

I know this is way up for the original post but you are not the only one that sees it and some CLAIM that is God's Hand guiding the changes silly enough. A couple of my more favored "lighter" works on the insanity of the bible and the manipulation of the "holy" scripts are below. It starts essentially immediately and the Roman's wiped entire books because they didn't fit with the narrative the emperor wanted to instill in the religion he sought to control. The references in Ken's Guide to the Bible (very short work) is just fun for when I engage with certain Zealots.

Ken's Guide to the Bible by Ken Smith - Amazon

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why by Bart D. Ehrman - Amazon

#114 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-19 04:28 PM | Reply

@#108 ... That sounds like a rhetorical question rather than an honest attempt to get insight into evangelicals. ...

It didn't sound rhetorical to me. But your reply looks like it is grasping for any reason not to answer the question.

How would you have worded the question differently?

#115 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-19 04:36 PM | Reply

You're not going to get BillJohnson to condemn himself.

The man is a living contradiction. Hypocrisy is in his DNA.

Evangelicals vote for Trump because he's promising them a theocracy.

Doesn't matter what else Trump does. Doesn't matter whether or not he's a Christian.

Evangelicals would make a deal with the Devil if he told them want they wanted to hear.

#116 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-19 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#114

"How do you respond to Bart Ehrman?"

www.youtube.com

Ehrman did a great job of breaking out of a VERY conservative biblical frame.
So much so that he became an agnostic, lol. And there's nothing wrong with that; he still teaches at the theological school.

The short video by probably the leading NT scholar today explains how Bart may have overreacted a bit.

#117 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-19 04:50 PM | Reply

American,

"Why do evangelicals support the most selfish, lying, adulterous, greedy, sinful man to ever occupy the White House?"

That sounds like a rhetorical question rather than an honest attempt to get insight into evangelicals.

I can't be bothered with that sort of blather.

#108 | Posted by BillJohnson

It wasn't rhetorical.

Okay, answer why YOU as an evangelical can support Trump, the anthesis of everything Jesus taught in the Beatitudes or Matthew 25: 31-46.

PS - I grew up in an evangelical church. I call myself a "Red Print Christian" because THAT's where the teachings of Christ are found. In other words, I'm not a "cafeteria Christian" who picks what he wants and uses other parts of the Bible as justification NOT to do what Christ taught.

#118 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-19 05:00 PM | Reply

If Trump was an actual Christian, he'd give what he has to the poor instead of scamming and cheating and lying all in the pursuit of money. Jesus had things to say about that, didn't he, Bill?

You need to read your Bible again and refresh yourself on what the namesake of Christianity taught.

#119 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-19 05:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So much arguing about a book of fairy tales.

You want actual scholarship about this nonsense, check out Richard Carrier. Or don't bother, because all you really need to know is that god is a human invention, invisible sky wizards aren't real.

#120 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-04-19 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You need to read your Bible

Why read a Bible when you can use them to decorate your house?

Besides, the pastor will tell you what the Bible says and means!

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-19 05:27 PM | Reply

Yav,

Nothing was added so there's no problem.

If a chapter from The Art of the Deal had been included and declared to be canon, I could see a problem.

I mean...would it be a sin to take a potatoe salad recipe you were given at church and put in the back to not lose it?

Btw...what you quoted in post #110 applies to the Book of Revelations. The Bible is actually many books.

#122 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-19 05:27 PM | Reply

That sounds like a...
I can't be bothered...
#108 | Posted by BillJohnson

Dance, little sister, dance.
Seemed like a pretty straight forward question to me.

What I don't understand is why God would write his book in a language folks don't understand considering the consequences. A loving god gives his instructions to avoid Hell in code?

#123 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-04-19 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The funniest thing is that the whole point of this thread is Bill's slight awakening to the fact that TFG is not what he seems. "Could it be that TFG is a dishonest conman? I never would have guessed." he asks innocently.

#124 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-04-19 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why read a Bible when you can use them to decorate your house?
Besides, the pastor will tell you what the Bible says and means!

#121 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2024-04-19 05:27 PM | REPLY youtu.be

#125 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-19 05:36 PM | Reply

#124 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Which makes me think this is a troll thread, but as god made little green men, billj will be back here next week defending ------- to the end.

#126 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-19 05:39 PM | Reply

Tfd,

My point of this thread was I am upset Trump is being used to promote this product and then not delivering it or emailing information when it might be shipped.

Trump looks bad enough and for Lee Greenwood to do this. The more I see about this the scummier Greenwood is looking.

#127 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-19 05:44 PM | Reply

A fool and his money are soon parted, me boys!

#80 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

And never fight up hill, me boys!

And never buy a bible from an obvious con artist, me boys!

#128 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-19 05:46 PM | Reply

Trump looks bad enough and for Lee Greenwood to do this. The more I see about this the scummier Greenwood is looking.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-04-19 05:44 PM | REPLY

Didn't you buy it because of Trump peddling it?? Me thinks it makes Trump look bad too. As if he needs any help with that.

#129 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-19 05:48 PM | Reply

I am upset Trump is being used

There is NO FREAKING WAY BillJ is sincere.

I can only tip my hat to you bill, this is an amazing troll thread. Perfecto!

#130 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-19 05:50 PM | Reply

Truth,

You got me there.

I'm upset I paid 70 dollars and where's my book??

#131 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-19 05:53 PM | Reply

"Richard Carrier: A Fuller Reply to His Criticisms, Beliefs, and Claims about Jesus"

ehrmanblog.org

Agnostic replies to attacks by atheist, lol.

#132 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-19 05:55 PM | Reply

Trump is being used

Trump used you for your money.

And you're still defending him.

You idiot.

Trumpers remind me of domestic abuse victims.

#133 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-19 06:08 PM | Reply

www.msnbc.com

Like all Trump merchandising schemes, this one is cringey and tacky and represents the greed, the grift and the grotesque that's wrong with Trumpism. The God Bless the USA Bible is obviously and squarely aimed at Trump's existing base of true believers. But it is also attempting to hide, in soft-focus God-and-country pabulum, Trump's more sinister goals of exacting revenge and obliterating the rights and freedoms of anyone who is not on board with him ruling America with an iron fist, with the Christian right at his side.

Trump knows that his supporters believe God ordained America as a Christian nation.

The people most likely to want a Trump-branded Bible, presented with a blasphemous kitsch factor on par with a Jesus bobblehead, are Trump's evangelical base. Surely Trump knows that most of them already have their own Bibles, but he's counting on a good chunk of them forking over $59.99 (plus shipping) to have a version of God's word endorsed by the arbiter of the "correct" or "only" Bible: the person they admire as much as or more than Jesus himself.

#134 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-19 06:41 PM | Reply

"I'm upset I paid 70 dollars and where's my book??"

Your book... probably never existed.

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-19 06:57 PM | Reply

Lol hilarious. People were ripped off by Trump? Hard to imagine a guy that never paid anybody ripping people off.

#136 | Posted by byrdman at 2024-04-19 06:59 PM | Reply

"Trump is being used"

How can you support such an easy mark?
(It's because you're an easy mark too.)

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-19 07:00 PM | Reply

Does anyone else understand that the song by Greenwood wad intended to insult the patriotism of those of us who dared to protest the Vietnam War? I did and I am proud that I did. My father who eas a :9 year career officer in the US Navy wouldn't speak to me becauze of that. 20 years later he pullrd me aside and told me I was right about thT war so iMHO the Patriotic Bible is just very expensive toilet paper!

#138 | Posted by Danni at 2024-04-19 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2024-04-19 07:56 PM | REPLY

That Bible is made of cheap paper. I'm not sure if it's super absorbent enough for TP. Just sayin.

#139 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-19 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#127 ... My point of this thread was I am upset Trump is being used to promote this product ...

Fmr Pres Trump is hawking The Bible, not some random ~this product.~

Do you not realize that?

#140 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-19 08:23 PM | Reply

not delivering it or emailing information when it might be shipped.

No one seems to know who the publisher is... that might be part of the problem. I can't find any sales figures for the thing.

#141 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Does anyone else understand that the song by Greenwood wad intended to insult the patriotism of those of us who dared to protest the Vietnam War?"

No I did not. Thank you for context.

The lyrics in this song epitomize what's wrong with America. It says, "Go back to sleep, everything is okay, the government is taking care of you."

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-19 08:58 PM | Reply

"My point of this thread was I am upset Trump is being used to promote this product ... "

Sure.

Trump should not be using Trump like that!

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-19 09:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Go back to sleep, everything is okay, the government is taking care of you."

You WANT me on that wall! You NEED me on that wall!

#144 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 09:04 PM | Reply

I'd like to know what the Bible sold for before Trump endorsed it?

#145 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-19 09:04 PM | Reply

I'd like to know what the Bible sold for before Trump endorsed it?

Lewzer's markup was $10 per unit.

#146 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 09:08 PM | Reply

@#145 ... 'd like to know what the Bible sold for before Trump endorsed it? ...

Interesting question.

Were the sales so poor that the company behind the Bible reached out to fmr Pres Trump for an endorsement?

And fmr Pres Trump agreed to attach his name for a kickback of each one sold? Similar to what he is doing with down-ballot candidates across the Nation?

#147 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-19 09:11 PM | Reply

It looks like Trump licensed his name to be used to sell the Bibles in the same way he licenses his name to appear on various buildings he doesn't own:

The website selling the Trump-backed Bibles specifies that none of its proceeds will go toward the Trump campaign.

The site says it "is not political and has nothing to do with any political campaign."

"GodBlessTheUSABible.com is not owned, managed or controlled by Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization, CIC Ventures LLC or any of their respective principals or affiliates."

Rather, it says it is licensed by CIC Ventures to use Trump's name, likeness and image.

Trump's 2023 financial disclosure shows he has made more than $5 million in speaking engagements through CIC Ventures.

www.cnbc.com

#148 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-19 09:28 PM | Reply

Agnostic replies to attacks by atheist, lol.
#132 | POSTED BY CORKY

Agnostic, atheist; these terms are inaccurate.
The proper terms are:

Agnostic atheist
Agnostic theist
Gnostic atheist
Gnostic theist

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-19 09:32 PM | Reply

"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink "-- and have my little cracker"

Drink a little wine
Have a little cracker
Get saved tonight
Get saved tonight

#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-19 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nobody knows who the publisher is:

It is now unclear who the publisher and licensor of the new version is. Greenwood's publicist previously told the Nashville Tennessean, part of the USA TODAY network, that Elite Source Pro is no longer a partner on the project. He was unable to name the new licensee who is manufacturing the Bible.

www.usatoday.com

#151 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-19 09:37 PM | Reply

"Blessed are the easily deceived, for they shall inherit the stupidity of the sheep, and thus more easily be sheared."

Third Church of the Reformed Grifter,
Chapter 1,
verses 1-2

#152 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-19 09:39 PM | Reply

He was unable to name the new licensee who is manufacturing the Bible.

The website has this useful FAQ tip: "All order fulfillment is from Gulf Shores, Alabama, by a Veteran owned and operated company and will gladly help solve any of your customer service questions."

End info.

#153 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's 2023 financial disclosure shows he has made more than $5 million in speaking engagements through CIC Ventures.

So rubes are buying tickets to his so-called "rallies"? Or is that for the M-a-L gigs?

#154 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 09:51 PM | Reply

@#151 ... Greenwood's publicist previously told the Nashville Tennessean, part of the USA TODAY network, that Elite Source Pro is no longer a partner on the project. He was unable to name the new licensee who is manufacturing the Bible. ...

" Elite Source Pro is no longer a partner on the project. " -- oh, that's not a good sign.

Typically, during a promotional campaign, those behind the campaign do not change with such ambiguity.

OK, let's take a step back here.

This is a fmr President of the United States promoting, likely selling his NIL for, some strange version of the Bible.

OK so far?

And now, those behind that promotion seem to be unable/reluctant to say who is the name of the "new licensee?"

My view at this point, there is no way i would give these people my credit card number. I mean, who would be so reckless with their financial information to give a credit card number to this apparent unknown entity?

#155 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-19 10:49 PM | Reply

"It's Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled" www.snopes.com

BillJohnson, this post is about you.

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-19 11:01 PM | Reply

"It's Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled"

Interesting Snopes article.

Give the Internet another 3 years and every historical quote will be attributed to either Morgan Freeman or Sam Elliot.

#157 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 11:21 PM | Reply

who would be so reckless with their financial information to give a credit card number to this apparent unknown entity?

The same people who buy DJT stock.

#158 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-19 11:22 PM | Reply

@#158 ... The same people who buy DJT stock. ...

I'm not yet convinced to go there at this point.

Given the trading volume of DJT, the buying looks like it may be some wealthy supporter who has a few ten thousands to dispose of for, possibly, some return.

Or, there may be some other manipulation in play...

There's this...

Trump Media tells Nasdaq short sellers may be using "potential market manipulation" in DJT shares
www.cbsnews.com

... Trump Media & Technology Group is alerting the Nasdaq exchange that its stock " trading under the ticker DJT, after former President Donald Trump's initials " may be the victim of "potential market manipulation" due to short-selling activity.

The letter, which was sent Thursday to Nasdaq CEO Adena T. Friedman, claims that some traders are relying on so-called "naked" short selling, which is when an investor shorts a stock without first borrowing the shares. It's a practice that is effectively banned in the U.S., with regulators requiring trading firms to make sure that traders have the securities on hand to complete a short sale.

The complaint comes after a wild ride for Trump Media's stock since going public last month on the Nasdaq exchange. The shares lost two-thirds of their value from an initial peak, slicing billions of value from the fledgling media business, whose primary asset is the social media service Truth Social.

While Trump Media has regained some of that lost ground, rising 28% this week, some investors had complained on Truth Social that they suspected short sellers were contributing to the decline.

"Reports indicate that, as of April 3, 2024, DJT was 'by far' 'the most expensive U.S. stock to short,' meaning that brokers have a significant financial incentive to lend non-existent shares," Trump Media CEO Devin Nunes, a former Republican congressman from California, wrote to April 18 letter to the Nasdaq CEO.

Nunes asked for Nasdaq to "advise what steps you can take to foster transparency and compliance by ensuring market makers are adhering" to regulations that block naked short selling.

Shares of Trump Media rose $3.19, or 9.6%, to $36.38 on Friday.

The agencies that would regulate naked short selling include the Securities and Exchange Commission and FINRA, the financial industry regulatory authority that oversees broker-dealers, as the latter companies are those that execute short sale trades on behalf of customers. ...

#159 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-20 12:52 AM | Reply

@#159

Wow, it's been a while since I've seen fmr Rep Nunes' name in the news.

#160 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-20 12:53 AM | Reply

@#159

Wow, it's been a while since I've seen fmr Rep Nunes' name in the news.

#160 | Posted by LampLighter

Remember when Nunes sued someone pretending to be a cow for making allegedly defamatory remarks about him?

A judge threw it out quicker than he could blow his nose LOL

#161 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-20 02:14 AM | Reply

In case anyone is curious which translation I am reading these days, it's the New Living Translation.

It's not the same as the Living Bible that is considered a paraphrase instead of a translation.

The NLT is considered to be a "thought by thought" translation instead of a "word by word" translation.

Personally, when it comes to the Bible I prefer something more readable.

#162 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-20 08:25 AM | Reply

I prefer my toilet paper soft, quilted and onn a roll. Patriotc Bible might work in a TP emergency but U orefer Charmin!

#163 | Posted by Danni at 2024-04-20 11:19 AM | Reply

including NT Wright, John Lennox, and Francis Collins among them.

Also Dethspud, but he don't play no mo'.

#105 | POSTED BY CORKY

Thanks for the honest answer.

We can always count on you for that.

#164 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-20 11:36 AM | Reply

Danni,

"Patriotc Bible might work in a TP emergency"

So would you be wiping you --- with the Constitution or The Gospel?

#165 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-20 11:45 AM | Reply

So would you be wiping you --- with the Constitution or The Gospel?

Possibly both... I've read where the pages are stuck together.

#166 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-20 11:49 AM | Reply

Danni,

And you're even bragging about wiping yourself on the Constitution and the Bible.

Tsk tsk...

#167 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-20 11:57 AM | Reply

I've read where the pages are stuck together.

#166 | POSTED BY REDIAL

The pages are stuck together?

Now THAT'S my kind of Bible.

#168 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-20 12:06 PM | Reply

Now THAT'S my kind of Bible.

My bet is the bibles were "gilded" with the same spray paint they used on the sneakers.

#169 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-20 12:08 PM | Reply

What kind of idiot buys anything Trump is selling? He's a conman to the core.

#170 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-04-20 12:35 PM | Reply

Danni,

And then....I'm sure you wonder how can people not vote Democrat and vote for Trump.....

Are you an aberration or are your views common among Democrats?

#171 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-20 12:57 PM | Reply

We don't wonder. We understand it is because you are Deplorable.

#172 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-20 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Honoring the Bibly?"

Not me! The Bible had been used to justify murders for 4,000 years! F*** rhe ---- Bible! And, I might add F the ---- Bible thumpers too!

#173 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-20 01:27 PM | Reply

Yeah Snoofy! You probably weren'f a big fan of Nixkn or GW Bush either, yoo Godless Commie!

#174 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-20 01:30 PM | Reply

I'm sure you wonder how can people ... vote for Trump.....

It's a pretty simple answer.

They're the same people who would buy snake oil from a salesman.

They're generally people down on their luck hoping for something to make their lives better.

Trump has promised evangelicals everything they want with no intention of delivering.

You idiots are just a means to and end.

#175 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-20 01:58 PM | Reply

I never cared what ghe Bible says hesus said or what he did!
I actually don't care about what he really did say or do!
I honestly never believed "God" sent his son to Earth to "zave" us. It's all nonsense devised by men to give themselves power! When we yrjrct their fairy tales we take away their power! See? Here's the thing! Grow the f**k up snd stop believing fairy tales The real truth! Sorry if I butst your pretty balloon!'

#176 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-20 02:03 PM | Reply

I think I'm going to be like Bill. I'll order a copy of that garbage too for my collection of garbage but then I'll dispute the charge with my bank and I'll demsnd a psychological exam if they want to pursue the charge because they will have to prove me insane ar believe me when I say that I would never order such expensive toilet paper!

#177 | Posted by danni at 2024-04-20 02:50 PM | Reply

Are you an aberration or are your views common among Democrats?
#171 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

That sounds like a rhetorical question rather than an honest attempt to get insight into Democrats.

I can't be bothered with that sort of blather.

#178 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-20 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And then....I'm sure you wonder how can people not vote Democrat and vote for Trump....."

We don't wonder at all anymore ... we know that you all have lost your way.

Trump loves the willfully ignorant. Deplorables who have chosen to ignore the truth and reality itself.

If you can be made to believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God (and the only Word of God) then you can be convinced of pretty much anything. No matter how outrageous. Apparently.

And once you chose to put one man above the law and the constitution we had and will have no choice but to stand against you and for our constitutional democracy.

George Washington warned us that political factions might try to obstruct the execution of laws. While they will claim to act for the will of the people, their true intentions are to place more power in the hands of unprincipled men.

"Beware of Political Parties" ... they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government ... "

#179 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-21 11:39 AM | Reply

I'm sure you wonder how can people not vote Democrat and vote for Trump.....

#171 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

That's two different things. I can understand why people wouldn't vote democrat. I've not voted democrat plenty of times myself. But voting for Trump is a whole different ballgame.
What you are asking there is do people not understand how someone can vote for someone who has been found to have committed fraud on a mass scale, raped at least one woman, cheated on multiple wives, stole and refused to return classified documents, organized an insurrection for the purpose of overthrowing the US Constitution and deliberately and admittedly downplayed the seriousness of a deadly pandemic.

I'm sure you wonder how can people not vote Trump and vote for non-rapists
I'm sure you wonder how can people not vote Trump and vote for non-fraudsters
I'm sure you wonder how can people not vote Trump and vote for pro-democracy
I'm sure you wonder how can people not vote Trump and vote for protecting national secrets

#180 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-04-21 12:03 PM | Reply

I'm sure you wonder how can people not vote Democrat and vote for Trump.....
#171 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I was actually contemplating something similar this morning.

Like I can understand, and even respect, many conservative things either cultural or politics:

I can understand nascar and gun right advocates (to an extent), I can understand loving country music and being religious (I cannot understand, nor do I respect, attempting to inflict religious beliefs on others). I can understand (to an extent) a sincere belief in the sanctity of a fetus. I can understand the belief in a strong military (though I strongly disagree), I can even understand having a conservative view on families and the roles of men and women-though I, again, strongly disagree with those beliefs, I get it on where they are coming from.

What I cannot understand is how ANYONE can support -------. I simply don't get it; the man is in the moral wrong about everything. If you are religious, he is the literal embodiment of the 7 deadly sins. He OBVIOUSLY lies constantly. He OBVIOUSLY serves no one but himself.

What I cannot understand is cutting one's nose off to spite one's face-say with healthcare-how can red states decline medicaid? Why would any poor person support a party that strips them of their health care. I don't get that.

Just to name a few examples.

#181 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-21 12:16 PM | Reply