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Monday, July 22, 2024

Josh Marshall: As I've noted, Pennsylvania State Police initially told reporters on the scene that Trump had been struck by shards of glass. Then Trump himself said he'd been hit with a bullet and that was the end of the matter. There's small detail from a local news report from last Sunday that suggests it as at least plausible that the initial report was correct, that Trump was struck by some flying debris.

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Marshall's article cites the WPIX article I've been posting about the 4 officers near Trump being injured by flying debris and treated at the same Butler hospital at the same time Trump was. What I hadn't realized is that initial reports from PA State Police had indicated Trump was hit by shards of glass. Marshall had previously written on that report several days ago, but I had missed that it. Here is a link to that article:


Still Looking for More Information on This

Here's why I'm still looking for more information on this.

Shortly after the incident occurred, multiple credentialed reporters reported via social media that Trump had been hit by glass or plexiglass shards rather than by a bullet. This was reported by journalists from Axios, The Bulwark, Newsmax, TMZ and others. The clearest sourcing, by Newsmax, attributed this to the Pennsylvania State Police. Another report attributed it to a source who had spoken with the Secret Service. Axios reporter Juliegrace Brufke cited it to a "source familiar" but later deleted her tweet without explanation.

It is important to note that initial reports are frequently wrong in cases like this, and not necessarily because reporters get it wrong themselves but because even law enforcement is working with patchwork and preliminary information. But the way this progressed is that this was all the reporting there was. Then former President Trump posted on Truth Social saying he'd been hit with a bullet. And that was it. That's when the story changed, but there hasn't been any official word on Trump's injuries from law enforcement or the medical team that treat him. It feels like an omission, not in a conspiratorial sense, just a departure from the level of transparency we've come to expect in situations like this, at least until Trump came along.

To be clear, I had assumed Trump's account was accurate and that there would later be some official word with additional details either from local or federal law enforcement or from some medical report. I assume, though I don't know, that an initial medical examination could have determined this. But to the best of my knowledge that has not yet been reported publicly. Maybe I've missed some sourcing for this other than Trump himself. So if you've seen that please send it to me. But from what I can tell everything goes back to Trump's post on Truth Social.

At a minimum it seems like there should be some explanation of what the incorrect reports were based on, especially if it involves deleting a breaking news tweet without explanation. But again, fog of war. Initial reports are often wrong. Nothing to be ashamed of, etc.

talkingpointsmemo.com

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 05:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They must know where all the bullets landed by now. Hinkley missed Reagan with every shot he fired but they do know what he hit.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-19 05:18 PM | Reply

PS My own interest in the events surrounding the assassination attempt, preceded the shooting. Because I have family living in Butler (County), PA, I was following along with reporting on the rally several hours before Trump was scheduled to speak. After the shooting, I continued to follow the reporting because my famly members know people who attended the rally and because the shooter was from Bethel Park where my father had lived when I was growing up. IOW, I took an extra interest because where the location and family connections. I certainly believe Trump was shot at and injured, either directly or indirectly, by the shots Crooks aimed at him.

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 05:22 PM | Reply

They must know where all the bullets landed by now. Hinkley missed Reagan with every shot he fired but they do know what he hit.
#2 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Yes, I was wondering if they had looked for and found the bullets Crooks fired before he was killed.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 05:25 PM | Reply

It's fake

Trump was never in danger

The supposed security, the lingering after supposedly being shot at, no medical report and the dumbest bandaging you could imagine

Face it
The GOP staged all this

They killed one a wounded two Americans for a photo op and a rally call in the hopes swaying the election entirely on emotion

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-19 05:27 PM | Reply

Face it
The GOP staged all this

Well, when you read sh--stuff like this, I can see why some folks would say, "Hmmmm":

Making A Messiah: Allies Cast Trump As Divine Commander Following Assassination Attempt

Less than 24 hours after Donald Trump survived an assassin's bullet in Butler, Pennsylvania, on July 13, Jack Posobiec, the far-right conspiracy theorist and MAGA rabble-rouser, tweeted a Bible verse. "The bullets were fired at 6:11pm," Posobiec, who is Catholic, wrote. "Ephesians 6:11." The Bible verse, which reads, "Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes," is key to the spiritual warfare that Christian nationalists have made the centerpiece of Trumpian politics. They pit Trumpism against democracy in a cosmic showdown between the godly and the demonic, believing they are on a divine mission to save a debased America from the evil left, with Trump as God's battle commander.

Posobiec's Sunday morning lesson in numerology and spiritual warfare took off like wildfire in MAGA circles. For the Trump faithful who believe God anointed him president and, after the attempt on his life, that God protected him from death, there are no coincidences--only miracles, signs, and wonders. Charlie Kirk, the founder of the far-right Turning Point USA and a fellow denizen of the conspiratorial fever swamps of X, chimed in on Posobiec's tweet. "Armor of God," he replied, just in case Posobiec's meaning was lost on anyone. "The next verse is this: For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.'" For good measure, Posobiec replied to Kirk, quoting the next verse, Ephesians 6:13. "Therefore, put on the armor of God," he concluded, "that you may be able to resist on the evil day and, having done everything, to hold your ground."

talkingpointsmemo.com

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 06:04 PM | Reply

As far as photo shoots go, this one was definitely an improvement over the one in the church with the upside down Bible.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-19 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Let me get my shoes!"

First thing anyone thinks about when they're under fire and their ear has been ripped through by a bullet.

Clam under fire, that's what he is.

The epitome of restraint.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-19 06:13 PM | Reply

"Let me get my shoes!"
First thing anyone thinks about when they're under fire and their ear has been ripped through by a bullet.

Ditto standing up with your bloody ear and head exposed again and fist-pumping, "Fight! Fight! Fight!"

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 06:21 PM | Reply

Trump was in a bunker, hiding, due to protesters in the streets.

There were barricades all around the White House.

But, he's fist pumping and pushing off SS after being "shot in the ear"?

"Where's my shoes!!!!"

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-19 08:12 PM | Reply

Heidi Przybyla
@HeidiReports
Lack of medical readout about Trump's injury is not normal. (Jonathan Reiner, who advised George W. Bush medical team, on @CNN):

"It doesn't comfort me" that Trump was hit in the head with a "high-velocity projectile and we know nothing about it," he said, citing concussive energy near the brain, among other concerns.

x.com

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 09:42 PM | Reply

If a high velocity bullet hits his ear the ear would have been taken off.
He was hit possibly by shrapnel or cut it when the SS took him to the ground.
He didn't even need stitches.

#12 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-07-19 11:05 PM | Reply

Mike Sington
@MikeSington

CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta is calling for a "public assessment" of Donald Trump's gunshot injury. He says "the concern is that gunshot blasts near the head can cause injuries that aren't immediately noticeable, such as bleeding in or on the brain, damage to the inner ear, or even psychological trauma."

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#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 11:52 PM | Reply

They better get a surgeon in there to artfully cut up Donald's ear and make it look like it's been shot.

Times running out to sell this lie.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-19 11:55 PM | Reply

If a high velocity bullet hits his ear the ear would have been taken off.

No, it wouldn't have. 5.56 does its damage by dumping high amounts of energy into tissues causing cavitation as well as yawing as it loses velocity.

The ear wouldn't represent enough tissue mass or resistance to cause either.

It would have punched a .223 caliber hole and nothing more, same as it does to a piece of cardboard holding a target.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-20 02:16 AM | Reply

#13 trying too hard to force the issue.

Eventually, he'll have to make a public appearance without the bandage. Then we'll see either a chunk of missing ear or we won't.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-20 02:18 AM | Reply

It "grazed" him.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-20 02:31 AM | Reply

If a bullet actually struck Orange Julius' ear and it was documented, anyone think Trump wouldn't already be hawking NFT ear pads with the police report printed on them? I don't doubt he got zinged by something, but remain dubious about a bullet tearing into his ear.

#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-20 04:22 AM | Reply

Some people are saying Trump has asked the same crew of unlicensed surgeons from Mindanao that worked so tirelessly on several family members (for a great group rate) to sculpt a nick in his ear. That's what some people are saying. Yes, Sirrrrr!

#19 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-20 04:29 AM | Reply

Here's an analysis that lays out how the assassination attempt unfolded. I can't verify it's veracity, but it seems plausible to someone like me with absolutely no expertise. Alexander claims that Trump was grazed by the first shot and then barely misses being hit by the next two shots that were part of the first volley. If this analysis is correct, it means Crooks that was a indeed good shot and that Trump was saved because he turned his head at just the right second:

Analysis of footage from the Trump assassination attempt shows that Trump and David Dutch were hit in Crook's initial 3 shot volley. Corey Comperatore and James Copenhaver were struck by Crook's follow-up volley a few seconds later. (1/8)

This wide angle recorded by the Right Side Broadcasting Network shows the entire event unfold and shows all 3 bystanders get struck by Crook's bullets. (2/8)

threadreaderapp.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-20 09:44 AM | Reply

#13 trying too hard to force the issue.
Eventually, he'll have to make a public appearance without the bandage. Then we'll see either a chunk of missing ear or we won't.
#16 | POSTED BY JPW

I don't think Dr. Sanjay Gupta is trying too hard to force the issue. He wrote a thoughtful article on the need to know more about Trump's medical condition:

There are still key questions about Trump's injuries after attempted assassination

A full public assessment of Trump's injuries is necessary, for both the former president's own health and the clarity it can provide for voters about the recovery of the man who could become president of the United States once again. The concern is that gunshot blasts near the head can cause injuries that aren't immediately noticeable, such as bleeding in or on the brain, damage to the inner ear or even psychological trauma. As a trauma neurosurgeon, I have seen how a thorough evaluation after any kind of gunshot wound can provide a complete picture and lead to a speedier recovery.

www.cnn.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-20 10:21 AM | Reply

Why don't repugs where fake bandages when a dozen 3rd graders get shot to pieces?

#22 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-07-20 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Reiterating it doesn't change the fact he's reaching.

Gun shot blast near the head? Really?

It was, at best, a graze from a round fired 125 meters away.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-20 10:56 AM | Reply

Who cares? He was shot at with the intent to kill. Another man was killed. 2 others were critically wounded.

Why are we even talking about this?

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-20 12:01 PM | Reply

"Who cares?"

Just off the top of my head? People who are interested in establishing the actual facts, not some MAGAt "alternative facts." Especially when Trump and his goobers are trying to ride this as far as they can.

#25 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-20 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He was shot at with the intent to kill.

Was he?

That's what we're all trying to ascertain.

I'm not surprised a Deplorable Trumping MAGAt like you doesn't question the facts.

But the rest of us are trying to figure out what really happened.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-20 01:59 PM | Reply

Who cares? He was shot at with the intent to kill. Another man was killed. 2 others were critically wounded.

Why are we even talking about this?

#24 | Posted by BellRinger

So he's just allowed to craft whatever BS narrantive he wants around this event and get a pass because you say so?

No. It doesn't work that way. Even if you're shot at with the intent to kill you still should be held to a standard of honesty and integrity.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-20 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Honesty and integrity" are two nouns never associated with Donald Trump.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-20 02:36 PM | Reply

A plastic surgeon said, "bullet". How do you think one man was killed and two people in ICU. It is called a bullet.

#29 | Posted by NewOrleans at 2024-07-20 02:55 PM | Reply

His ear will be repaired. The amount of blood was caused by a bullet. Liberals hate Trump so much they will vote for democrats even it will completely destroy America. Take in a few illegals and support them in your home.
Under Trump no wars and no soldiers were killed and the world was not on fire. Russia, China and Iran were behaving. Biden is a weak leader and he has causeed nothing but turmoil.

#30 | Posted by NewOrleans at 2024-07-20 03:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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#31 | Posted by NewOrleans at 2024-07-20 03:04 PM | Reply

Plastic surgeon said, " bullet with the amount of blood."

#32 | Posted by NewOrleans at 2024-07-20 03:06 PM | Reply

It would have punched a .223 caliber hole and nothing more, same as it does to a piece of cardboard holding a target.

Yup.

F=ma

If a doesn't change much (negative a as the bullet hits the object), then F carries on with the bullet, and not much energy exchange occurs between the object and the bullet. When the bullet stops in your body, all the force goes into your body and ----- ---- up.

I in no way support violence, but a .223 was a poor choice for that shot. Need something a little bigger for that range.

#33 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-07-20 03:06 PM | Reply

His ear will be repaired.
#30 | POSTED BY NEWORLEANS

I'm quite confident that will be the story explaining why there's no visible evidence of the bullet grazing him.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-20 03:07 PM | Reply

but a .223 was a poor choice for that shot.

Not if your intent was to make some noise and stir up a panic.

Mission Accomplished!

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-20 03:08 PM | Reply

A plastic surgeon said, "bullet".
#29 | POSTED BY NEWORLEANS

Well, if the plastic surgeon said it, it must be true.

God knows, I only get my facts from plastic surgeons.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-20 03:10 PM | Reply

.223 was a poor choice for that shot.

20 year old punk might not realize there is more than one type of rifle. Or, dad didn't have anything else to "borrow".

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-20 03:16 PM | Reply

"Under Trump no wars and no soldiers were killed and the world was not on fire. Russia, China and Iran were behaving. Biden is a weak leader and he has causeed nothing but turmoil.
#30 | POSTED BY NEWORLEANS AT 2024-07-20 03:03 PM"

That claim is false:
"During Trump's presidency, which ran from January 20, 2017, to January 20, 2021, there were 45 combat deaths among U.S. service members reported in Afghanistan, as well as 18 "non-hostile" deaths, according to the Defense Casualty Analysis System."
apnews.com

#38 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-07-20 03:19 PM | Reply

Former President Donald Trump's son, Eric Trump, said his father doesn't have stitches after he was shot in an assassination attempt at a rally in Pennsylvania over the weekend, but that he has a "nice flesh wound" from the shooting.

www.cbsnews.com

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-20 03:53 PM | Reply

That claim is false:

A Trump supporter, spreading misinformation?

Must be a day ending with a "Y".

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-20 03:56 PM | Reply

"It would have punched a .223 caliber hole and nothing more, same as it does to a piece of cardboard holding a target."

Your ears lie pretty close to your head. How far out would his ear have to have been sticking for the bullet to have made such a hole without also leaving a mark somewhere on his face and/or scalp?

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-20 04:05 PM | Reply

Reiterating it doesn't change the fact he's reaching.
Gun shot blast near the head? Really?
It was, at best, a graze from a round fired 125 meters away.
#23 | POSTED BY JPW

So you are saying Gupta is wrong when he writes?:

"We do know that the shooter used an AR-15-style weapon, and in my experience in the operating room, I've witnessed the kind of trauma this weapon can cause. The kinetic energy of it is significant: A rifle like the AR-15 can produce up to 1,300 foot-pounds of force. With that much power close to the head, there can be injuries beyond what's visible."

because the gun was fired from so far away?

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-20 04:12 PM | Reply

Who's the new sock puppet account?

#43 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-07-20 05:01 PM | Reply

Who's the new sock puppet account?

Meet the new puppet... same as the old puppet.

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-20 05:38 PM | Reply

How far out would his ear have to have been sticking for the bullet to have made such a hole without also leaving a mark somewhere on his face and/or scalp?

#41 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

If it didn't contact his face or scalp then it would have left a mark.

because the gun was fired from so far away?

#42 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

The concussive blast of the shot isn't going to do anything from that distance.

The bullet isn't magical and able to transfer energy without contacting the target.

Yes, the bullet has a ton of energy, but it needs mass to dump it into.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-20 08:08 PM | Reply

So you are saying Gupta is wrong when he writes?:

Gupta is not wrong.

But a school hallway or classroom full of huddling children is different than out in the open environment at 130 yards with a target the size of a oversized egotistical melon.

#46 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-07-20 08:26 PM | Reply

A bigger caliber pushes through the environment better, and so where the bullet goes is more predictable.

#47 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-07-20 08:29 PM | Reply

A bigger caliber pushes through the environment better

I doubt this guy's aim was good enough to need worry about that. Did he have optics on that thing?

#48 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-20 08:35 PM | Reply

Liberals are so full of chit. Pathetic.All you know is CNN,MSNBC and hate.You have no desire to learn the truth.

#49 | Posted by NewOrleans at 2024-07-21 06:08 AM | Reply

#49
In other words, you haven't a clue. Thanks for the update.

#50 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-21 07:19 AM | Reply

Well, we have Ronny Jackson's - snort, snort - word for it. Doesn't appear to have a valid medical license, but he knows 220-pounds of hunka man when he sees it ... through the haze.

#51 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-21 07:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Liberals are so full of chit. Pathetic.All you know is CNN,MSNBC and hate.You have no desire to learn the truth.
#49 | POSTED BY NEWORLEANS AT 2024-07-21 06:08 AM"

TRUTH: a claim you made in #30 has been shown to be false and you've yet to retract it.

#52 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-07-21 08:08 AM | Reply

All you know is CNN,MSNBC and hate

No, moron.

You're just a cultist idiot who's mad we don't buy into the transparently BS narrative.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-21 08:42 AM | Reply

He was hit with a bullet. Saying it was shrapnel is conjecture with no factual basis. Prove me wrong.

The version that it was shrapnel is based on a comment made by an unknown random source that was repeated in the first few moments and never again by a credible source. Every official recounting says he was grazed by a bullet.

#54 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-07-21 11:28 AM | Reply

" So he's just allowed to craft whatever BS narrantive he wants around this event and get a pass because you say so?

No. It doesn't work that way. Even if you're shot at with the intent to kill you still should be held to a standard of honesty and integrity.

#27 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-07-20 02:34 PM | FLAG: "

WTF are you even talking about? It was an assassination attempt that was about an inch from being successful. A good man was killed as collateral damage and you want to pretend it wasn't what we all saw?

What is wrong with you?

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-21 12:17 PM | Reply

Even if you're shot at with the intent to kill you still should be held to a standard of honesty and integrity.

You mean like wearing a giant ear bandage while making speeches but not while golfing?

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-21 12:30 PM | Reply

You mean like wearing a giant ear bandage while making speeches but not while golfing?

#56 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-07-21 12:30 PM | REPLY

Exactly. He's milking this for all that it's worth. He's no Teddy Roosevelt. That's for sure.

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-21 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" you want to pretend it wasn't what we all saw?"

now do January 6th.

#58 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-21 01:00 PM | Reply

What is wrong with you?

#55 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What a hyperventilating cooze.

Go find a brown paper bag, take a few deep, slow breaths and then come am back and reread the posts.

Then comment.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-21 02:50 PM | Reply

" Then comment.

#59 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-07-21 02:50 PM | REPLY"

You claim to be independent yet fixate on stupid crap like this.

It's ridiculous

#60 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-21 05:28 PM | Reply

Another doctor speaks out on the need for more info on Trump's shooting injuries:

x.com

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-21 05:32 PM | Reply

Trump was for Harris before he was agaisnt her:

Donald actually donated to Kamala several times. There's a nice image of his check that he endorsed.

x.com

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-21 05:36 PM | Reply

Sorry, wrong thread.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-21 05:36 PM | Reply

Love it:

Michael Steele
@MichaelSteele
So when Trump wrote that check to re-elect Kamala Harris in 2011, I bet he didn't think she'd cash it in 2024!

x.com

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-21 05:45 PM | Reply

So we have a nerd who can't shoot straight who openly scales a ladder with a rifle with untrained civilians sounding alarms and this guy rattles off 7 shots, was within an inch of killing a presidential candidate kills one man, critically injures two others and the scandal is Trump has a big bandage???

This is absurd.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-21 06:02 PM | Reply

#65 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

He didn't use the ladder.

#66 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-21 06:03 PM | Reply

So we have a nerd who can't shoot straight who openly scales a ladder with a rifle with untrained civilians sounding alarms and this guy rattles off 7 shots, was within an inch of killing a presidential candidate kills one man, critically injures two others and the scandal is Trump has a big bandage???
This is absurd.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-07-21 06:02 PM | REPLY

Nonsense. You shouldn't make an assassination attempt on your life a campaign spectacle. But Conservatives are known for their campaign spectacles. Remember when they moved John Kerry by wearing purple Band-Aids in their faces for Kerry's purple hearts. If you need to wear one fine. Wear one. But to wear one when you don't need to is rather tacky. Ronald Reagan wouldn't.

#67 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-21 06:09 PM | Reply

Bellringer isn't up to date on the latest GOP talking points:

Ron Johnson tells Bartiromo "I've seen some pretty interesting video on the internet by experts that certainly calls into question what the FBI is telling us about a single shooter."

x.com

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-21 06:09 PM | Reply

scandal is Trump has a big bandage???

It's not a bandage, it's a stage prop. His campaign is probably selling them by now.

#69 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-21 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

abc7chicago.com

Woodstock woman hopes to show solidarity with Trump by giving away American flag ear bandages at RNC
'We all dodged a bullet 'cause this wasn't a mourning session ... We are celebrating President Trump's life,' Tirio said

#70 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-21 06:34 PM | Reply

www.reuters.com

Trump-style ear bandages are new trend at Republican National Convention
By Reuters

#71 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-21 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obligatory.

x.com

#72 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-07-21 08:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Bandage-gate.

Yeah, lets see how tDying to make it into some kind of a scandal works out.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-22 02:00 PM | Reply

Yeah, lets see how tDying to make it into some kind of a scandal works out.

It's not a scandal. It's just pathetic.

#74 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-22 02:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I just figured he knicked himself while shaving

#75 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-22 04:21 PM | Reply

If it actually was shrapnel it totally fits my theory of a this being a false flag kind of operation.

#76 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-07-22 04:27 PM | Reply

Is there a source of this 'debris'?

#77 | POSTED BY OHBYTHEWAY

Trump's hand. He cut himself for the attention. He's a narcissist.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-22 06:55 PM | Reply

Who's the new sock puppet account?

Who cares? Probably one of the half dozen in jail at the moment. The background noise never goes away.

#80 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-22 07:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Who's the new sock puppet account?"

A coward running away from his prior posts.

You know...the garden variety.

#81 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-22 07:17 PM | Reply

COVID is now a pandemic of the fraudulently installed dementia patients

#82 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-07-22 07:17 PM | Reply

Is Putin's portly bitch going to show up at his next klan rally in a full body cast for the paper cut on his ear?

#83 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-07-22 07:19 PM | Reply

The orange traitor was struck by his own hubris.

#84 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-07-22 10:03 PM | Reply

A teleprompter sits inside the camera's lens frame so that a person can stare into the camera and read what it tells them to. Those things they have circled are not teleprompters but shields for deflecting bullets.

#85 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-07-22 10:07 PM | Reply

"No, it wouldn't have. 5.56 does its damage by dumping high amounts of energy into tissues causing cavitation as well as yawing as it loses velocity.

The ear wouldn't represent enough tissue mass or resistance to cause either.

It would have punched a .223 caliber hole and nothing more, same as it does to a piece of cardboard holding a target.

#15 | POSTED BY JPW"

Not too sure about the velocity of an AR15 with that round but with an M16 a round will start to tumble after 75 yards and will walk right up a target ripping it apart. That fat lying orange pig was not shot or the bullet would have also made a dent in his head from the force alone. This so-called "wound" was more than likely from something being broke by the bullet which caused it to ricochet into the liar's ear.

#86 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-07-22 10:16 PM | Reply

"#86 | POSTED BY WILDMAN62"

Lemme guess - Corey Comperatore wasn't actually killed. It was all staged. Right?

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-22 10:22 PM | Reply

"Under Trump no wars and no soldiers were killed and the world was not on fire. Russia, China and Iran were behaving. Biden is a weak leader and he has causeed nothing but turmoil.

#30 | POSTED BY NEWORLEANS"

WTF? Where do you get this stuff? ISIS was fighting the USA and Americans were dying and then your fat lying hero disgraced the US Special Forces and their close allies the Kurds that were doing the bulk of the fighting with tens of thousands of them paying the ultimate sacrifice by back stabbing them with the Turks. China was building military installation while your pig faced rapist hero was playing the fiddle and Russia had already invaded Ukraine and that traitor was trying to blackmail them for the weapons they needed to beat back the Orcs of Vlad the Mad Murderer's armies. Myanmar was at war during this time and yet here you are spreading complete hogwash on here. GFO!

#88 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-07-22 10:27 PM | Reply

"Lemme guess - Corey Comperatore wasn't actually killed. It was all staged. Right?

#87 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER"
Having troubles reading are you? Just because I wrote he was not hit by a bullet does not mean he was not shot at.
Sure someone got killed, but you right wing fascist types will do anything to win elections. You know like Arms for Hostages? Reagan went on and on about how they would never trade arms for hostages all the while that is exactly what he did to get elected when he vended Israeli weapons to Iran and then the money went to buy weapons for an illegal war in El Salvador which also facilitated bringing in tons of cocaine into our inner cities so as to disrupt the black man's attempt at gaining equality in this country. Then, there was Nixon dealing illegally with the South and North Vietnamese while he was running for POTUS and we can also talk about Orange Pig Man Traitor scum getting cyber help from his daddy back in Russia to win over HRC.

#89 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-07-22 10:35 PM | Reply

FACTS:
Trump stated (previously) "We didn't lose one American soldier. Not one"... "And just as I'm coming off the stage, I think they had a tragic event in Buffalo, just as I'm coming on the stage, tragic event in Buffalo with numerous people being killed. In 18 months in Afghanistan, we lost nobody."

Reality:

The number of hostile action deaths under Biden from all the wars the US is engaged, including our withdrawal from Afghanistan is 26.
The number of hostile action deaths under Trump from all the wars the US is engaged, including our withdrawal from Afghanistan is 66.
That's 2.54 times more deaths from hostile actions under Trump than Biden.

The number of wounded under Biden from all the wars the US is engaged, including our withdrawal from Afghanistan is 92.
The number of wounded under Trump from all the wars the US is engaged, including our withdrawal from Afghanistan is 616.
That's 6.7 times more soldier's wounded under Trump than Biden.

#90 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-22 10:38 PM | Reply

I predict there is no way in hell JEFFJ replies to either #89 or #90.

He refuses to provide basic specifics to his BS posts in general. The posts above are the type of nuance that really, really frustrates JEFFJ. So much so, he will choose to ignore the above posts and run to another thread.

Rinse and repeat, JEFFJ. You are a fnkcing coward.

Swallow it.

#91 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-22 10:47 PM | Reply

#91 There is nothing to respond to. wildman62 is bringing up the '80's and Yav is posting meaningless talking points.

Not sure why you are so angry. Maybe you are just hangry. Go eat a sammich.

#92 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-22 10:52 PM | Reply

#92

Go tell tour wife to make me a sammich

#93 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-22 10:59 PM | Reply

Oh and BTW: prediction just came true.

Whoops!!

#94 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-22 11:00 PM | Reply

Your prediction was stupid. Just like you.

#95 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-22 11:03 PM | Reply

with an M16 a round will start to tumble after 75 yards

Why? Seems like a silly thing for it to do.

#96 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-22 11:04 PM | Reply

"Go tell tour wife to make me a sammich

#93 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2024-07-22 10:59 PM"

I just asked her. She said she's willing to make you a dog turd sammich.

#97 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-22 11:04 PM | Reply

Oh snap!!

Stupid yet accurate? Oh, you suffering from that cognitive dissonance again.

Oh nooooos!

Your wife got my sammich ready?

#98 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-22 11:05 PM | Reply

She said she's willing to make you a dog turd sammich.
#97 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Tell her to serve it up, baby. Let's get this ---- eating party started!!

#99 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-22 11:06 PM | Reply

In all seriousness, kudos to your wife for her willingness to make me any sammich. She must be a good Christian woman. You done good

#100 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-22 11:08 PM | Reply

Baby got a wittow scratch from flying debris, it didnt even need stitches. I've seen the damage a projectile fired from an AR15 does when I attended three autopsies where the AR15-style rifle was the murder weapon. Had Dotard been hit by a round fired by an AR15, he would be at least minus one ear.

#101 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-07-22 11:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Think about the angle involved and the chance that a bullet could go through the top of the pinna without striking the head. It could happen, but very unlikely without taking off the entire top of the pinna.

#102 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-07-22 11:44 PM | Reply

The fact that Trump still retains 80-90% of his ear,
does cast serious doubt on the 'theory' he was hit in the
ear by a bullet.

I still lean towards glass shards or something similar from
a teleprompter, camera, someone's cell phone or other similar
object. I haven't viewed much of the footage. Was there a glass
speaking plate at the front of his podium or something?

#103 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-23 06:50 AM | Reply

Not too sure about the velocity of an AR15 with that round but with an M16 a round will start to tumble after 75 yards

I don't know about an M16, but a modern AR with standard 55gr ammo won't keyhole in that short of a distance, not unless you have a really different twist rate or something wrong with the barrel.

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-23 09:34 AM | Reply

I don't know about an M16, but a modern AR with standard 55gr ammo won't keyhole in that short of a distance

They claim the M-16 is effective out to 300-600 meters... not going to do that with tumbling bullets.

Wiki says 1"-3" groups at 100 yards... not all that special but you won't even get that with an unstable bullet.

#105 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-23 10:24 AM | Reply

I say he was struck by a 'momentary sense of personal remorse'...
It was quickly passing, and did minimal damage to his spiteful self.

#106 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-23 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You claim to be independent yet fixate on stupid crap like this.

It's ridiculous

#60 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So. How does it feel? Do you like this feeling? Apparently you don't. So why do you do it?

We have had this kind of behavior from Trumpy and your maga maroon cohorts maga for what? Ten years now?

Give them their moment of "conjecture".

When there is a lack of verifiable information we will fill that vacuum with something until the facts come out. Rushing to judgement without any facts is a DR tradition. And you magatonians should already be quite used to it.

So btw what the frack is taking so long for the facts to come out?

While I am glad to see Cheatle take responsibility and resign but that doesn't clear anything up for me.

#107 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-23 12:00 PM | Reply

So far the only person that knows anything about the .223 round is JPW.
What he said about a wound channel In something as thin and flimsy as an ear is also correct.
Another thing everyone should realize is the wound can and should have been tested for gun shot residue.
Someone knows without a doubt what struck his ear.

#108 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-07-23 12:56 PM | Reply

I say he was struck by a 'momentary sense of personal remorse'...
It was quickly passing, and did minimal damage to his spiteful self.

Well his softer more unity focus lasted only as long as his nap during Coke Jr's speech.

Someone said that Coke Jr's therapist is putting a downpayment on new yacht.

#109 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-07-23 01:23 PM | Reply

The GOP staged all this
They killed one a wounded two Americans for a photo op and a rally call in the hopes swaying the election entirely on emotion

I have a hard time believing that.

For one, if they staged this for electoral impact, they did it way too early. It's only been a week or two and nobody even cares anymore. Republicans are stupid, but Trump in particular is pretty good with TV and media and he knows how to manipulate the electorate. Staging a shooting in July is not going to make a dent.

Second, what if the guy "staging" the shooting misses and actually hits the candidate? Definitely not outside the realm of possibility, and i don't think a draft dodger like Trump is brave enough to walk out there into a storm of bullets.

All of that said, I can't blame people for leaping to conspiracies, because it is simply unbelievable to me that the Secret Service would not have eliminated the threat of a shooter on a roof a mere 130 yards away. If i were to believe any conspiracy i'd lean more towards them wanting him shot, if anything.

#110 | Posted by JOE at 2024-07-23 01:32 PM | Reply

The concussive wave being pushed by a bullet would have rocked his whole head to the side of it has been what struck him, and very like removed much more of his ear. I firmly believe it was shards from the teleprompter, but ... .

I'm also not privy to the evidence being researched and analyzed. I'll wait for the final report before I am convinced either way definitively.

Also: anyone that believes this was staged is the absolute height of "pizza place pedo basement" lineage. Maybe even worse.

#111 | Posted by ABH at 2024-07-23 02:52 PM | Reply

Also: anyone that believes this was staged is the absolute height of "pizza place pedo basement" lineage.

#111 | POSTED BY ABH

And yet, narcissists have been known to throw radios into the bath with them, so that the chance of electrocution will make people pity and "like" them.

Then we have the entire Christofascist thing that Trump seen as walking away from an assassination proves that he is a god of some sort. A man like Trump must hunger over such things.

#112 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-23 02:59 PM | Reply

He was a big fan of WWF perhaps some wrestlers showed him some injury techniques they used to draw blood on stage. It adds drama to the theater... a wounded warrior rising again and all that manly soap opera b.s.the WWF was about.

Trumpanzee is the MSM... that is how he keeps his face in front of the cameras 24/7/365

Biden was brilliant pulling this out of his hat when all eyes were on poor poor twumpanzee and his knicked ear.

Harris has being younger and prettier on her side too.

One less old man to stare at.

It'd be cool if she challenged him to a round of golf... where they carry their own bags... and she can offer to let him hit from the "ladies tees".

#113 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-23 03:36 PM | Reply

Y'know if it were just about anyone else in the world I would dismiss this thread as nonsense. But this is Donald Orange Puddin' Pie' Trump. Literally the most dishonest sleazy piece of dung in American history. It is totally credible this was all a publicity stunt. And it also is very believable that Trump is paying foreign plastic surgeons to make it look like his ear was nicked because he knows god damn well that he was not. Bone Spurs strikes again.

#114 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-07-23 03:37 PM | Reply

If i were to believe any conspiracy i'd lean more towards them wanting him shot, if anything.

#110 | POSTED BY JOE

My only argument against that is they would have had a competent shooter if they wanted a hit.

#115 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-23 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's interesting how the "assassination attempt" has left the news cycle and nobody cares.

The gop shot their wad too soon.

October would have been better timing.

#116 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-23 03:58 PM | Reply

"The gop shot their wad too soon."

Perhaps:

Charlie Sykes
@SykesCharlie
Remember: This was the week we were supposed to see Trumps convention bump ... post-shooting surge.

Political Polls
@Politics_Polls
2024 National GE:

Harris 42% (+4)
Trump 38%
Kennedy 8%

@Reuters/@Ipsos, 1,018 RV, 7/22-23

x.com

#117 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-23 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No person within a million miles of sanity would ever voluntarily allow someone to shoot a rifle at them with intent of them nicking their ear. The thought of it is so utterly stupid, as to be laughable.

Anyone that believes even remotely that he volunteered for this is a lost cause of stupidity and insanity.

#118 | Posted by ABH at 2024-07-23 06:32 PM | Reply

The point wasn't to nick the ear. It's impossible to be that precise from that range. L

IF you were going down that road, the plan would have been to shoot in his general direction, hit or kill a few audience members and make a big show of it.

#119 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-23 07:01 PM | Reply

There is a 0% chance that happened.

#120 | Posted by ABH at 2024-07-23 07:52 PM | Reply

I know.

#121 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-23 09:39 PM | Reply

Can we see his ear already?

#122 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-23 11:23 PM | Reply

No, because then the milking for sympathy will officially be done.

#123 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-23 11:33 PM | Reply

He's giving it time to grow back before he unveils it. ;-)

#124 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-23 11:36 PM | Reply

Trump got "shot" in the ear just like professional wrestling is real

You have to be really thick to think in this conspiracy it's a bullet that cut trumps ear. Trump cut trumps ear, just like in professional wrestling. Orchestrated

Where is the bullet? Can't they find it? They know where the "shooter" supposedly was and where Trump was standing, so why no bullet. Why no picture of his ear? Seems like a braggart like Trump would be flaunting this imagery. But you can't when its a scratch

Remarkable isn't it

I'm unconvinced

#125 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-23 11:36 PM | Reply

@#125 ... Where is the bullet? ...

Eight bullets were fired.

Pennsylvania state police commissioner reveals stunning details about Trump shooting
www.cnn.com

... Crooks fired eight times

Investigators believe that Crooks fired eight rounds before he was killed by counter-snipers, Paris said.

"I believe that the number is eight," Paris told the committee. "Eight casings have been recovered."

Officials had previously only confirmed that the shooter fired multiple times at the rally earlier this month. ...


Other interesting new details in that article.


#126 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-23 11:49 PM | Reply

To prevent Putin's bitch from being shot by another AR-15 toting repug, the Secret Service advises all future rallies be held indoors.

www.washingtonpost.com

#127 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-07-24 12:03 AM | Reply

#125 I am at a loss for words. You actually believe he intentionally killed a supporter and injured more, by staging an attempt.

Please tell me you are kidding.

It's literally the stupidest possible thing any conspiracy theory moron could believe. It's actually dumber than flat earthers.

#128 | Posted by ABH at 2024-07-24 12:14 AM | Reply

What's surprising about a mafiosi having someone killed?

Are you suggesting that todays GOP isn't capable of something like this?

I beg to differ, and am unconvinced this wasn't orchestrated. Time will tell

#129 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-24 12:36 AM | Reply

At this point, regardless of the various conspiracy theories, I am in the camp of...

Were any bullets recovered?

It now appears that eight were fired, have any of those eight been found?

If not, why not?


#130 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-24 12:58 AM | Reply

" I beg to differ, and am unconvinced this wasn't orchestrated. Time will tell"

When all the docs are released many years from now, we will discover the orchestra conductor was the FBI. Ala JFK.

#131 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-07-24 08:31 AM | Reply

When all the docs are released many years from now, we will discover the orchestra conductor was the FBI. Ala JFK.

#131 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE AT 2024-07-24 08:31 AM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

And then what?

#132 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-24 08:59 AM | Reply

Yes. I'm suggesting exactly that it's ludicrous. Believing it is bordering on psychosis.

And again, believing the fbi had anything to do with this and the shooter didn't act alone is more frighteningly dumb than flat earthers.

#133 | Posted by ABH at 2024-07-24 11:00 AM | Reply

You actually believe he intentionally killed a supporter and injured more, by staging an attempt.

Please tell me you are kidding.

It's literally the stupidest possible thing any conspiracy theory moron could believe. It's actually dumber than flat earthers.

#128 | POSTED BY ABH

You underestimate the people we're dealing with.

#134 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-24 11:30 AM | Reply

When all the docs are released many years from now, we will discover the orchestra conductor was the FBI. Ala JFK.

I would posit this is a far stupider conspiracy than the campaign staging it.

If the gubmint wanted him dead, they wouldn't have chosen a rando kid who couldn't shoot.

#135 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-24 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Looking more like it was flying debris:

John Harwood
@JohnJHarwood
FBI Director Wray on Trump's injury from the assassination attempt:

"There's some question about whether or not it's a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear."

underscores the question of why a former president injured in an assassination attempt won't put forward the doctors who treated him to say exactly what the injury was

x.com

Josh Marshall
@joshtpm
Okay. I think we now know this specific part of the story. Trumps ear was lightly injured in the shooting. Police told reporters he was hit by flying debris. Trump went on Truth Social and declared he was hit by a bullet. And basically all major media went with that as a fact.

x.com

#136 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 08:07 PM | Reply

Here's the rest of Marshall's post:

2/ It seems quite possible to me that no one has any idea what hit Trumps ear. So Trump just said it was a bullet. I know that an editor at a major news org told a colleague that they figure it was Trumps personal opinion but it wasn't worth getting into a fight with the ...

3/ campaign over. It is not the central part of the story precisely how Trump was injured. Someone tried to shoot him and could well have succeeded. But it is simply absurd to run with a social media post from Trump himself. Even though Trump was the target of an assassination ...

4/ attempt that doesn't change the fact that he is a notoriously self promoting pathological liar. Is this even a controversial statement? I think even many of his supporters would concede this point. He now routinely says that he "took a bullet for democracy", a really ...

5/ grotesque statement. It now appears quite likely that not even true in the narrow sense of the claim. Government officials have clearly been leery of contradicting Trump on this point for obvious reasons. I haven't seen yet precisely what question Wray was responding to ...

6/ and how much that forced the matter. Again, not a huge part of the story. But we should get some account from actual law enforcement on what happened. Now it appears we have, under duress. Reporters usually demand an almost absurd level of detail ...

7/ on this kind of stuff. It's really an embarrassment that this was handled - press-wise - the way it has been.

#137 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 08:14 PM | Reply

What's really odd about all of this is that Empty G hasn't nominated Lewzer for a Purple Heart. Yet.

#138 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-24 08:20 PM | Reply

It was a cheap fake.

Trump should have taken it in the shoulder. He could have sold it easier.

Photo ops are Trump's specialty, he just didn't commit to this one.

Condolences to the collateral damage.

The Trump campaign should be on trial for murder.

#139 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-24 08:25 PM | Reply

If the gubmint wanted him dead, they wouldn't have chosen a rando kid who couldn't shoot.
#135 | POSTED BY JPW

The government wouldn't have assassinated him and made him look like a martyr.

That's what Trump wants.

Haven't you heard? Angels saved Trump. But they didn't do shht for that retired fireman.

#140 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-24 08:30 PM | Reply

MSM just capitulating to Trump because "it wasn't worth getting into a fight with the campaign over" doesn't bode well if there is a second Trump term.

Josh Marshall
@joshtpm
Here's the Q and A where FBI Director Wray says they don't know whether Trump was grazed by a bullet or flying debris, "shrapnel" to use his exact word. Even this comment seems generous. But watch the interchange for yourself.

x.com

#141 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 08:30 PM | Reply

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