-Is giving everything one side wants, actually "negotiating"?

Is that what's happening? Would Putin claim he's getting everything he wants?

Or is that a narrative that's being sold here?

-I guess when its not your kids coming home in bodybags it doesn't hit home.

That's exactly right.

And because Americans aren't faced with that choice then their opinion of all of this is almost completely worthless.

At least recognize Trump couldn't care less what everyone thinks regardless of where you fall on the spectrum.

I'm not predicting the future here but I think it's highly improbable that the history books are going to reflect that Ukraine got slaughtered and overrun because of .......Trump.

Jesus H Christ this place is quite entertaining this morning.

There is plenty of entertainment, but this is worthy of recognition.......

"Our Fascist Republican American Firsters are the same Nazis they were in the 1930's in this country when they sided with Hitler as he ran amok in the world."

followed by the same poster only 3 minutes later....

"The demise of rational thought among these freaks is pretty amazing."

Unintentionally accurate and self-immolation to be sure.

"Was FDR a fascist?"

This entire country was fascist, and racist, and MASSIVELY ANTI-SEMITIC.

-One million Russian casualties.

since you keep bringing up World war 2.......do you need to be reminded the Russians lost between 22-27 MILLION people during that time?

You gonna hang than on FDR? Or either political party? Of course not.

And neither will we. Your pathetic attempts noted.....but nobody cares.

And nobody gives a crap we are extorting Ukraine either.

Regardless of what you think about Trump........should being the world's policeman come with some fees?

"I had no idea you could be this stupid."

All you have in your pockets are your rage and your insults.

We rejected helping the jews. We were offered them an opportunity to come here.....NOPE. ---- the jews was our response.

-The liberal Oligarch monopoly basher FDR was elected FOUR ------- TIMES! by most of this country.

Which only proves this entire country was just what I said.

-You need to really start speaking only for yourself.

Nope.

I'll continue to bother you with annoying facts you'll never accept.

Historical facts
current facts
future facts

swallow it

-Mystifyingly pointless.

of course not as you whine about 1 million russians.......

-And a better understanding of World War II

LOL....I need a new cup of coffee after that one...........

-Not everyone wants to be, or is, a cynical bastard.

you're literally the most cynical bastard here.....and that's saying something.

Because it's apparently a contest between you and a half dozen others to be just that.....the most cynical bastard here.

-The liberal Oligarch monopoly basher FDR

I'm not disagreeing with that description but what do you mean exactly when you say all that?

He was liberal with regard to his domestic policies, the New deal, etc.....

but how does that apply to foreign policy at the time?

Wilson was an outright racist
But he was also a fervent supporter of women's rights?

so how do you square his "liberalism" with all that?

answer...you can't. Wilson was Wilson. Not a liberal...not a conservative....not a current label you can go back 100 years and assign to him.

FDR was FDR.

-I blame Hitler and Stalin for those deaths.

you can't seem to understand that nobody gives a flying ---- who you blame, Zed.

If you could, you'd go back in time and try to blame a republican congress for Hitler and the Holocaust, Zed.

But you'd be shot in the street for such treason. I'm serious....for the way you talk today....you'd have been outright murdered for it back then.

It's a good thing for you we've progressed a bit, Zed. You want to believe we've gone backwards but you're wrong.....and it's a good thing you're wrong. About almost everything.

You're free to accuse anybody of anything....and nobody gives a crap. You're free to be wrong. You're free to enraged and unhinged.....and with zero consequences.

It's a great day, isn't it?

-EBERLY is bitching about FDR.

on the contrary. YOU'RE bitching about FDR without even realizing it.

I'm just showing you that you and your cadre of morons here are all attacking FDR.

-You are somehow conflating political terms with patriotic actions

am I? that's what I'm doing?

LOL

"FDR was a liberal domestically, yes, and internationally."

LOL

-You can't seem to understand that you're shredding your dignity in real time.

you're not a patriot, Zed.

You're a treasonist.

Maybe you're not entirely paranoid.

They are going to come for you, Zed.

And when they do.....you're ------. Because you'll have no friends.

"This is true. If you weren't WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) You were scum. That's been a large chunk of American history sadly. If you were Irish or Italian or Polish you weren't white."

remember what we were doing to Japanese Americans and of course Native Americans?

And life was oh so grand for African Americans during this time as well.

This on top of tens of millions of innocent Russians and Europeans being outright slaughtered.

But an attempt to slow or stop this war from continuing is wrong wrong wrong because not everyone is being treated with 100% equity.

I agree there are only degrees of loss for Ukraine. I agree it's ugly to extort Ukraine and not just pummel Putin, who clearly deserves to witness the end of his life at the end of a ------- rope.

-when you have no argument in retort, it's OK if you just stfu.

take your own advice.

-The liberal Oligarch monopoly basher FDR was elected FOUR ------- TIMES! by most of this country.

once in a while a blind squirrel finds a nut.

But what's the significance of this fact? That means we weren't racist and anti-semitic?

By our current definitions of those terms...how on earth can you NOT agree 100% we were horribly racist and anti-semitic?

-Was that when America was Great?

I've asked a lot of Maga folks to nail down that time for me.

never gotten an answer.

Relax, Laura. I realize that bashing this country seems like a fun little exercise for you and others here and some of us threw some cold water on it with historical facts.

We'll always be a work in progress.

But what's funny and ironic is that while some here bash the MAGA morons (fair game, IMO) but deep down they admit they're a little MAGA themselves.

The FDR thing is a good example....we were better then? We were liberal and progressive back then with all of our action and inaction leading up to and during WW2?

I have zero desire to bash FDR and Trump is fair game for most of the criticism he receives.

But there are lines to be drawn IMO when it comes to bashing American citizens.