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Wednesday, September 10, 2025

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"Guess what?" writes Chait. "It's real. And it's bad."

When the Journal story first broke, Vance demanded, "Will the people who have bought into every hoax against President Trump show an ounce of skepticism before buying into this bizarre story?"

The episode certainly does tell us something about Trump and the need for appropriate levels of skepticism. Don't count on the president's cultists to draw the right conclusion.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-09-09 05:55 AM | Reply

Morning Doc:

Next week sex predator Dummkopf Trumpf is off to the UK: "Buckingham Palace announced that Dummkopf Trumpf and Melanoma Trumpf had accepted an invitation to pay a state visit to the UK between Wednesday 17 Sep and Friday 19 Sep.

King Charles will host Trumpf at Windsor Castle because Buckingham Palace is still undergoing significant renovations.

The trip comes two months after the Dotard-in-Chief spent four days in Scotland, where he met politicians and visited his golf courses."

One wonders what they'll all be discussing (or won't).

ichef.bbci.co.uk

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Last year King Charles replaced the previous Lord Chamberlain, Andrew Parker. Too bad. Baron Parker was once Director-General of MI5 and most likely privy to the Epstein-Maxwell sex trafficking ring involving Trumpf and Prince Andrew.

#2 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-09-09 06:26 AM | Reply

Did anyone seriously think that this letter was not real?

Donald and JD stating that it didn't exist only proved that it did.

MAGA's favorite president diddled children with his best pal Jefferey.

And so did a lot of other high-ranking MAGA who, as Maxwell said, are currently in government and very likely---

Still diddling children.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-09 07:46 AM | Reply

I am sure more than few of the dullards here think it's a fake.

Worse yet, more of them are okay with him raping children.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-09-09 07:50 AM | Reply

How soon before MAGA women are lining up to have his signature tattooed on their crotches?

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-09 08:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I foolishly thought the drawing and the exchange would be a bit more tasteful. Turns out it was worse than I had imagined.

That's also his signature.

Pretty funny. Last night I watched Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC. He had a check from Trump that Trump donated to a charity that O'Donnell pushes (K.I.N.D. I think it was). Of course the check wasn't from Trump but from his "charity" that was shut down for operating illegally and not being a charity. I digress.

O'Donnell refused Trump's "donation" and Trump wrote a nice note back signing the note as "Donald____" just like the signature in the infamous drawing. It's a match.

Oops.

#6 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-09 08:26 AM | Reply

"Jeffrey showing early talents with money + women! Sells fully depreciated' [name redacted] to Donald Trump for $22,500,"

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-09 08:34 AM | Reply

"I foolishly thought the drawing and the exchange would be a bit more tasteful. Turns out it was worse than I had imagined."

As I suspected, there are still a lot of people out there that have never really truly convinced himself that Donald Trump is a real degenerate.

They've repeatedly said he's a pedophile and a rapist but in their heart, they've never really believed it

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 08:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How soon before MAGA women are lining up to have his signature tattooed on their crotches?

Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-09 08:15 AM | Reply

Or a t ramp stamp. It's long enough to be one.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-09 09:04 AM | Reply

They've repeatedly said he's a pedophile and a rapist but in their heart, they've never really believed it

Personally I am not convinced that Trump's illegally had sex with minors, but I have been completely convinced he's covering for some really important people. With these documents released, though, I'm starting to think he could very well be, in fact, a child predator.

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-09 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I have been completely convinced he's (trump) covering for some really important people.

#10 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2025-09-09 09:25 AM | REPLY

Absolutely.

Including family.

And if Donald did not actually rape a kid, he knew that they were being raped and whom by. He heard the stories and helped laugh.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-09 09:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm starting to think he (Trump) could very well be, in fact, a child predator.

#10 | POSTED BY YAV

The true and complete meaning of "sociopath" is hard for sane people to grasp. That might be changing now.

Let's be clear: Donald's mental illness means that he sincerely believes that laws and morality do not apply to him. He feels unconstrained and guiltless.

These people are bad enough when they are of ordinary means. But give them unlimited money and unlimited power they become Caligula.

Which is what Trump is.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-09 09:47 AM | Reply

At this point, usually, some MAGA appears to say what a disaster Kamala would have been,

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-09 09:48 AM | Reply

The Republicans making excuses and denying that this is trump's signature is massive CRINGE! Oh my god it's painful watching them deny the obvious!

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-09 10:48 AM | Reply

but I have been completely convinced he's covering for some really important people.

The transcript with Maxwell reveals that she literally said many of the pedophiles are on Trumpy's staff. Trumpy's lawyer, Todd Blanche, paused took a deep breath and carefully avoided pursuing that lead and did not ask one question about that statement.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 11:25 AM | Reply

(This goes here too)

Suddenly all the republicans have become signature experts.

And they all agree it's NOT his signature.

Even though it's obviously his signature and his style of writing.

Interestingly this "birthday card" even if Trumpy wrote it proves nothing in and of itself.

But they just cannot admit it's Trumpy because Trumpy says it's not Trumpy. Even though it's obviously Trumpy.

If you tell a big enough lie and repeat it often enough, people will eventually come to believe it, especially if the state can suppress the truth and the consequences of the lie.

Truth has become the enemy. Because the truth reveals the Big Lie.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 11:26 AM | Reply

Trump is threatening to sue. There's a 0% chance of that happening for the same reason Melania will not sue Hunter Biden. They won't expose themselves to the discovery process.

#17 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-09-09 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As I suspected, there are still a lot of people out there that have never really truly convinced himself that Donald Trump is a real degenerate.
#8 | Posted by eberly

"People"

By People, you can only mean Republicans.

Most Republicans don't think being a pedophile and a rapist is all that bad, in the grand scheme of things.

These are the same Republicans who refuse to ban underage marriage

These are the same Republicans who call rape babies a miracle, require a girl to carry the rapists child to term, and give the rapist parental rights.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-09 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The hoax is accusing Trump of being part of the abuse without any evidence.
#6 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-09-07 01:55 PM
drudge.com

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-09 12:21 PM | Reply

"Personally I am not convinced that Trump's illegally had sex with minors,"

and that's clearly the overwhelming opinion of those who scream pedo and rapist daily.

Not sure if being convinced with evidence is really all that important to anybody.

It's virtually irrelevant if no actual evidence is found.

It's believed. There can never be proof he didn't rape kids. There can only be a lack of evidence he did.

But people need to believe what they need to believe.

At this point, I hope we find evidence Trump raped kids even if it's false or planted.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 12:36 PM | Reply

At this point, I hope we find evidence Trump raped kids even if it's false or planted.

#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Trump was a demonstrably evil man before this Epstein business.

But real people demand real evidence.

So just release the EPSTEIN FILES so that we can judge,

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-09 12:42 PM | Reply

"But real people demand real evidence."

who are the "real people"?

and....evidence of what, exactly?

That Trump is evil?

or that he's a bonafide criminal.....and I mean someone who has actually committed a crime to be prosecuted for.

Is there really anybody left who hasn't made up their mind who gives a ----?

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 12:45 PM | Reply

-So just release the EPSTEIN FILES so that we can judge,

did you go to law school and suddenly become a prosecutor or a judge?

do you or do you not care about there actually being a criminal investigation to take place?

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 12:47 PM | Reply

Real people are honest people, EBERLY.

Honest people want to know the honest truth.

It's always been that way.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-09 12:48 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is an evil man by any standard that I know that's not Satanic in the horror movies sense.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-09 12:49 PM | Reply

"did you go to law school and suddenly become a prosecutor or a judge?"

Do I have to by any of things to make a political judgment or one that goes to character?

Of course we real people want Trump tried.

Just like we wanted Hitler tried.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-09 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

do you or do you not care about there actually being a criminal investigation to take place?

#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Isn't the release of the files regarding the criminal investigations into Epstein and Maxwell what everyone is waiting for?

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We vote and elect representatives and, ostensibly, the President. We need to know - and it doesn't matter if it's been adjudicated.

#28 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-09 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

and....evidence of what, exactly?
#22 | Posted by eberly

You run your mouth so much, to say so little.
Let's start with the evidence in the Epstein Files.

But you Republicans can't agree to that.
Because you Republicans know full well that Trump is named in the Epstein Files.
And you know he's not named in a way that would exonerate him, or you would have already released the Epstein Files.

You pedophiles are the problem here, -------.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-09 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

he's a bonafide criminal.....and I mean someone who has actually committed a crime to be prosecuted for.

In case you have been living in an insurance salesman cave he already is a "bonafide criminal ".

He has been convicted of 34 felonies. And charged with committing 88 more.

Good luck prosecuting him tho. The Supremes are not going to allow and risk losing all their bribes.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Honest people want to know the honest truth.
It's always been that way."

honest people also watch football.

They don't want the truth....they want to win.

at the end of the game when the officials uphold a play that represents the winning touchdown (ie...the previous play is under review....).....the winning team doesn't give the ball back and ask the refs to reverse the call based on "truth".

they take the win.

this feels more like that.

-We vote and elect representatives and, ostensibly, the President. We need to know - and it doesn't matter if it's been adjudicated.

excellent point. And the files contain names that only appear on a ballot? Of course not.....lots and lots of names I suspect are included in this.

And they aren't elected officials.

I'm no expert on this but aren't criminal investigations supposed to stay out of the public eye until they are complete?

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 01:04 PM | Reply

-Isn't the release of the files regarding the criminal investigations into Epstein and Maxwell what everyone is waiting for?

right. are those investigations over?

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 01:05 PM | Reply

#10 - With all pedo stuff he's done over the years, fondling all over Ivanka, walking into dressing rooms at the Miss Teen USA, to as he admitted on Stern, ogle the teenaged contestants, telling little girls he would be dating them in a few years, telling Stern that 12 years old was his cutoff, and finally Google Katie Johnson, the Epstine girl who was suing him for raping her. She abandoned the case due to overwhelming threats on her and her families lives from the MAGAts. Read her testimony, in particular what Dotard said to her about taking her virginity and tell me that those words didn't come out of his mouth. If it took thousands of hours of FBI agents time to find every mention of Mango Mussolini's name in the files then he wasn't just a customer, he was a partner. He recruited the girls through this pagents and "modeling agency" that sounded more like an out-call prostitution operation, and Epstine sold them.

#33 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2025-09-09 01:06 PM | Reply

Trump is so unbelievably stupid he ran on releasing files he now says are a hoax.

Trumpers should be embarrassed.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-09 01:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-he already is a "bonafide criminal ".

agreed.....but that makes him guilty of any crime you wish to assign to him?

It's funny...the media can convince anyone apparently to suspend the rule of law and believe we can prosecute trump for rape on CNN.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 01:07 PM | Reply

Release all everything they have on Epstein... it will be the real draining of the swamp.

#36 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-09-09 01:08 PM | Reply

And the files contain names that only appear on a ballot? Of course not.....lots and lots of names I suspect are included in this.

According to Todd Blanche/Maxwell interview many of the pedophiles are in the Trumpy administration. Which would explain a lot.

Interestingly Todd Blanche did not pursue any of that with any further questioning on that subject. He paused took a breath and immediately changed the subject.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 01:12 PM | Reply

To satisfy my curiosity....yes, I'd love for all the files to be released.

But I'm pretty sure congress, the FBI, the DOJ....couldn't give 2 ----- about satisfying my curiosity.

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 01:13 PM | Reply

"Good luck prosecuting him tho. The Supremes are not going to allow and risk losing all their bribes."

Yeah, it's just a big football game that you're already convinced you're going to lose.

You got the better team. The other team cheats.......but the goddam refs.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 01:17 PM | Reply

-Trumpers should be embarrassed.

they don't care.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 01:18 PM | Reply

"To satisfy my curiosity."

Same reason Trump walked into the girl's locker room.
You really are in the right party.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-09 01:22 PM | Reply

"Yeah, it's just a big football game that you're already convinced you're going to lose."

In case you didn't notice living in your cave .. We already lost the Big Game pal.

The question is now can we recover and come back and clean up the mess that republicans will leave us in.

Like we always have before.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 01:23 PM | Reply

-Trumpers should be embarrassed.
they don't care.
#40 | Posted by eberly

Indeed.
Republicans only care when Immigrants and Blacks rape their white women.
When The President does it, well, he's paying them a compliment!
And if she's lucky she'll get pregnant and have a miracle baby.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-09 01:23 PM | Reply

The other team cheats.......but the goddam refs.

#39 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Rigger Please!

The other team definitely cheats. And there are no refs.

We now have to decide if we will cheat too or let the cheaters win because we can't bring ourselves to fight fire with fire.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 01:26 PM | Reply


Republicans only care when Immigrants and Blacks rape their white women.
~ Snoofy

You don't?


When The President does it, well, he's paying them a compliment!
~ Snoofy

Yeah Trump and the NorthCarolina killer are exactly the same.

#45 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-09 01:27 PM | Reply

The other team definitely cheats. And there are no refs.

How so? Just curious to see how many hoaxes you believe?

#46 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-09 01:28 PM | Reply

"clean up the mess that republicans will leave us in."

I don't disagree with regards to the economy, geopolitical issues, etc.....what does that have to do with this Epstein thing?

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 01:30 PM | Reply

Yeah Trump and the NorthCarolina killer are exactly the same.

POSTED BY IAMRUNT

The North Carolina killer's body count is smaller than the decomposing-------------------'s by 1.2 million.

#48 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-09-09 01:31 PM | Reply

Just curious to see how many hoaxes you believe?

#46 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Just curious.. do you still beat your wife?

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 01:32 PM | Reply

what does that have to do with this Epstein thing?

#47 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You brought it up. You tell me.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 01:33 PM | Reply

I don't disagree with regards to the economy, geopolitical issues, etc.....what does that have to do with this Epstein thing?
#47 | Posted by eberly

Obviously it has a lot to do with it or Republicans would release the Epstein Files.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-09 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DOJ says names of two associates Epstein wired $100K and $250K should stay secret
www.nbcnews.com

^
Obviously it has a lot to do with it or Republicans would release the Epstein Files.

Now go away, Eberly.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-09 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah Trump and the NorthCarolina killer are exactly the same.

POSTED BY IAMRUNT

Naww. Nice try tho. I saw the tape.

This lunatic was not like Trumpy at all. He didn't rape her before he killed her.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-09 01:59 PM | Reply

Has stinky dropped his $10,000,000,000 lawsuit yet?

The Supremes are not going to allow and risk losing all their bribes.

I firmly believe that Uncle Lumpy's and Alitos Luxury vacation bribes, Keggenaugh's gambling debt payoff and Roberts wifes conflict of interest bribes were just the tips of the iceberg on all of them and stinky has the files.

#54 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-09-09 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

and that's clearly the overwhelming opinion of those who scream pedo and rapist daily.
Not sure if being convinced with evidence is really all that important to anybody.
#20 | Posted by eberly

He was literally found to by a court to be liable for the rape of E Jean Carroll.
Apparently that piece of evidence is not important to his defenders.

#55 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-09-09 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

-He was literally found to by a court to be liable for the rape of E Jean Carroll.

civil court, yes.

But that's not going to satisfy anybody here. That's not a win.

Not over this Epstein business. this has to result in a criminal consequence.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-09 02:29 PM | Reply

Eberly, why stick around for this?

It needs to result in our rapist President resigning in disgrace.

But Republicans will do everything in their power to protect Trump.

Because Trump is the most successful Republican brand in a century. He's more popular than Reagan ever was with Republicans, and twice as popular today!

www.foramerica.org
Donald Trump is "more beloved" by Republican voters than Presidents George W. Bush, his father, George H.W. Bush, and even Ronald Reagan.
...
Trump has a 63 percent approval rating with Republican voters at five months into his presidency.
This is not only higher than any other modern Republican president, but when Reagan was only five months in as president, he received 60 percent approval.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-09 02:44 PM | Reply

Win? How about justice, you pathetic hack?

#58 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-09 06:08 PM | Reply

Concern Troll Eberly love ms him some Trump.

He only pretends not to. He "concern" about people unfairly labeling Trumpa crook is so Cute.

He should have his own TikTok about it.

#59 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-10 09:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

With all pedo stuff he's done over the years

#33 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2025-09-09 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag

With all that evidence even Biden couldn't have him prosecuted and sent to prison? I mean, of all the pedo stuff, the prosecutors went with bullshit like the E. Jean Carroll civil case and classified documents?

Who was the serial sniffer/shower daddy covering for?

#60 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-09-10 11:08 AM | Reply

"With all that evidence even Biden couldn't have him prosecuted and sent to prison?"

Maybe he was sleepy.

Remember when you said Trump shouldn't release the Epstein Files because there's too many rich and powerful people in there, and the repercussion could be severe, and bad for America?

We remember.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-10 11:19 AM | Reply

-With all that evidence even Biden couldn't have him prosecuted and sent to prison?

exactly and nobody has an answer for that.

they're all confident there is a smoking gun with Trump's fingerprints on it.......but nobody could or would do anything about it when they could have.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 11:31 AM | Reply

Of course we real people want Trump tried.

Just like we wanted Hitler tried.

#26 | Posted by Zed

Funny, you have more on Clinton being a pedo than Trump and I don't see your energy on that.

#63 | Posted by boaz at 2025-09-10 11:48 AM | Reply

Funny, you have more on Clinton being a pedo than Trump and I don't see your energy on that.

#63 | POSTED BY BOAZ

What's my "energy" got to do with anything?

Releasing the full Epstein Files is the right thing to do.

But I suppose you'll want to argue otherwise

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 11:55 AM | Reply

Funny, you have more on Clinton being a pedo than Trump and I don't see your energy on that.

#63 | POSTED BY BOAZ

No he doesn't and no you don't. And Clinton is no longer in a position to abuse presidential powers.

That's why no one (but the voices in your head) is wasting any time on it.

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-10 11:57 AM | Reply

they're all confident there is a smoking gun with Trump's fingerprints on it.......

#62 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Because Trump behaves like there is.

Hard to get around such a simple fact.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 11:57 AM | Reply

-Because Trump behaves like there is.

On purpose(scripted) or because he can't help it?

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 11:59 AM | Reply

exactly and nobody has an answer for that.

I bet the answer in the files.

#68 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-10 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

68

maybe

or maybe you're a shitty gambler.

a lot of democrats "bet" on the ticket of Biden/Harris.....but didn't contemplate the actual risk of that ticket. It's easy to see those risks in the rear-view mirror but it was difficult at the time.

well.....here we are. Dealing with the consequences of taking on that bet.

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:02 PM | Reply

-Because Trump behaves like there is.

On purpose(scripted) or because he can't help it?

#67 | POSTED BY EBERLY

What's Occam's Razor here?

Because there's something in them he thinks will hurt him badly.

Just release the Epstein Files. It'll make all this verbal hoohaw the Right puts up moot.

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:02 PM | Reply

Fascinating the effort people put into to saying that the elephant in the room is really some other animal.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:04 PM | Reply

I bet the answer in the files.

It probably used to be.

#72 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-10 12:06 PM | Reply

-What's Occam's Razor here?

When Biden was president?

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:08 PM | Reply

I bet the answer in the files.

It probably used to be.

#72 | POSTED BY REDIAL

If the Epstein Files have been purged than Trump would be glad to release them.

My guess is that there are backups that Trump doesn't control.

#74 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:09 PM | Reply

My guess is that there are backups that Trump doesn't control.

Well, those would obviously be fake.

#75 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-10 12:10 PM | Reply

-What's Occam's Razor here?

When Biden was president?

#73 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Why do you make simple things so complicated?

If the Epstein Files helped Trump or were even neutral towards him we'd have them by now.

I agree. There were cops who should have caught the criminal.

Doesn't mean we can't catch him now.

#76 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:11 PM | Reply

My guess is that there are backups that Trump doesn't control.

Well, those would obviously be fake.

#75 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Just like whatever Trump releases of his own volition will be fake?

The true and unredacted files will provide ever so many new threads of evidence to damn Trump that millions of people will volunteer time investigating.

#77 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:14 PM | Reply

-Why do you make simple things so complicated?

LOL

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:15 PM | Reply

The bottom line is that Trump is behaving as if the Epstein Files are a disaster he can't come back from.

I'd like to test that and see.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:16 PM | Reply

Just like whatever Trump releases of his own volition will be fake?

Hard to say. I think his current story is there are no files.

#80 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-10 12:17 PM | Reply

-The bottom line is that Trump is behaving as if the Epstein Files are a disaster he can't come back from.

The only bottom line for sure I'm seeing is that Zed is behaving as if he knows what's in the files and he also knows what's truly in Trump's heart and head.

which is normal behavior for Zed.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:21 PM | Reply

I think his (Trump's) current story is there are no files.

#80 | POSTED BY REDIAL

I think that the Russians have a copy.

Now that would solve a lot of mysteries, wouldn't it?

#82 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:22 PM | Reply

The only bottom line for sure I'm seeing is that Zed is behaving as if he knows what's in the files and he also knows what's truly in Trump's heart and head.

#81 | POSTED BY EBERLY

1) I don't know what's in the files. Hence: release them.

2) Trump's heart and mind are only mysterious to people who refuse to see and know. Fellow travelers on the Sociopath Highway.

#83 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:24 PM | Reply

-If the Epstein Files helped Trump or were even neutral towards him we'd have them by now.

You can't seem to understand this issue is about more than Trump...and there are many other people being considered in all of this.

But you will never get that.

#84 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:25 PM | Reply

-I don't know what's in the files.

You're lying. You are 100% sure what's in them.

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:25 PM | Reply

there are many other people being considered in all of this.

#84 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Great.

Let's have their names.

Nah, you never make anything complicated. Not you.

#86 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:27 PM | Reply

You're lying. You are 100% sure what's in them.

#85 | POSTED BY EBERLY A

EBERLY also knows what's truly in ZED's heart and head.

#87 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:28 PM | Reply

-Fellow travelers on the Sociopath Highway.

right. Bush, McCain, Romney, Ryan, Vance, Rubio, DeSantis, Perry, Cruz, Johnson, etc..........you've objectively diagnosed all of them as sociopaths.

we know........

#88 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:28 PM | Reply

88 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Do you even credit the notion of sociopaths, EBERLY?

#89 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:30 PM | Reply

-Let's have their names.

What makes you entitled to know those names?

They are victims, suspects, people of interest, witnesses, etc. in felony criminal acts.

but you're entitled to know everyone and everything......right now?

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:30 PM | Reply

What makes you entitled to know those names?

#90 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It will be possible to protect the victims.

I think that the country is entitled to have those files, as we were promised.

AS WE WERE PROMISED.

Because, for one thing, Trump returned to the presidency in part by exploiting them.

Now is the time to put up. Simple morality and simple fairness.

Make that complicated.

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:34 PM | Reply

-Do you even credit the notion of sociopaths, EBERLY?

not from folks who are obsessed with it. Sociopaths are everywhere in your life, Zed....it's all you see.

So....my answer is yes, I do credit the notion....from almost everyone in the world, except you.

for you, it's sociopaths
for sucksoftly, it's facsists
for clown, it's racists

#92 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:35 PM | Reply

for you, it's sociopaths

for sucksoftly, it's facsists

for clown, it's racists

#92 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Those three classes of people explain most of the trouble we're in now.

#93 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 12:36 PM | Reply

-AS WE WERE PROMISED.

LOL.......you're such a child.

-It will be possible to protect the victims.

I mentioned other folks involved.....

Is there anyone, not named Donald Trump, who's going to be arrested in connection with this?

Ever?

Don't ongoing criminal investigations typically hold off on releasing this kind of information until it's complete?

#94 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:39 PM | Reply


Hard to say. I think his current story is there are no files.
#80 | POSTED BY DIALAGAIN

What do you mean "no" files?

No files that say what your wet dream imagined?


It probably used to be.
#72 | POSTED BY DIALAGAIN

Then why didn't Biden DoJ use them?

Its so ridiculous to imagine the Biden/Harris DoJ withheld going after Trump as a "pedophile", then lose, and not just throw the evidence out there. Then let Trump control the evidence.

#95 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-10 12:39 PM | Reply

93

and the 3 of you are their best friends.

racists, sociopaths, and facists all love you 3.

I know.......you don't understand.

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:40 PM | Reply

-Its so ridiculous to imagine the Biden/Harris DoJ withheld going after Trump as a "pedophile", then lose, and not just throw the evidence out there. Then let Trump control the evidence.

Zed.....have a response to that?

An actual response? No prose or poetry and a silly metaphor......an actual response.

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:41 PM | Reply

Then why didn't Biden DoJ use them?

Standard response.

*Yawn*

#98 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-10 12:42 PM | Reply

-EBERLY also knows what's truly in ZED's heart and head.

proof of how absurd you are with pretending you actually know those things about people you have zero dialogue with.

unlike you and me.....I know you're lying. YOu believe you already know what's in those files.

and you'll prove it eventually when the files are released.........and you'll be pissed off to no end as to what's in them (or what's not in them).

Because you KNEW what was in them in the first place.

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:43 PM | Reply

"*Yawn*"

There is your response.....

#100 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:44 PM | Reply

-Then why didn't Biden DoJ use them?

You know....he's not dead. We can ask him now.

Has anybody asked him? Is there an actual answer to this question?

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:49 PM | Reply

"YOu believe you already know what's in those files."

Well, he's basing that on pretty solid evidence, wouldn't you say?

Personally, I've NEVER seen Trump react to ANYTHING like the Epstein Files.

Clearly, there's SOMETHING in those files that spooks the schitttt out of him.

#102 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-10 12:49 PM | Reply

"-Then why didn't Biden DoJ use them?"

They were sealed until 2024:

From Google AI: January 2024: A batch of documents containing roughly 900 pages was unsealed by court order. These records were related to a civil defamation case filed against Maxwell by victim Virginia Giuffre. The release was highly anticipated but mainly included figures whose names had already been connected to the case.

By then, slo-mo Garland would've been too late.

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-10 12:52 PM | Reply

"Then why didn't Biden DoJ use them?"

Maybe because Clinton is in the files.

But that's not what's stopping Trump.

#104 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-10 12:53 PM | Reply

-Well, he's basing that on pretty solid evidence, wouldn't you say?

so you can see that Zed is lying as well?

which isn't important really.

-Personally, I've NEVER seen Trump react to ANYTHING like the Epstein Files.

If you say so......I don't how much I can rely on watching the news of his reactions to things.

"SOMETHING".....what? Come on....you can say....

#105 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:54 PM | Reply

gotta run.....

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 12:56 PM | Reply

Personally, I've NEVER seen Trump react to ANYTHING like the Epstein Files.

#105 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're fuzzy on the concept of "behavior".

#107 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 01:37 PM | Reply

proof of how absurd you are with pretending you actually know those things about people you have zero dialogue with.

#99 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-

"Dialogue"?

Magic word?

Don't you think, EBERLY, that just using your posts here on this blog that some smart man how never interacted with you would be able to construct an accurate psychological can behavioral profile of you.

There are people out there who make careers of such things, and could do so to you, provided you ever become interesting.

#108 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 01:42 PM | Reply

"so you can see that Zed is lying as well?"

On the contrary.

Zed is telling the truth, and you're carrying water.

Have you seen the segment where Trump says he'll definitely release the JFK files, and definitely release the MLK files ...

... and then stumbles when asked if he'd release the Epstein Files ... ?

Or do you watch one of those outlets that would NEVER air something like that?

#109 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-10 01:43 PM | Reply

"You're fuzzy on the concept of "behavior"."

In Eb's defense, he was quoting me.

#110 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-10 01:45 PM | Reply

-Its so ridiculous to imagine the Biden/Harris DoJ withheld going after Trump as a "pedophile", then lose, and not just throw the evidence out there. Then let Trump control the evidence.

Zed.....have a response to that?

#97 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Why, yes.

If there's nothing there then there's no problem releasing them.

You people are making this too complicated. It's like you're in on the idea of hiding things. The things you say all end up at the same place: No files released.

At least as long as Trump is alive. And, for that sociopath, that might just be good enough.

#111 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 01:47 PM | Reply

gotta run.....

#106 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Don't forget to flush.

#112 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 01:49 PM | Reply

In Eb's defense, he was quoting me.

#110 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You're a just man.

I wish your were president.

#113 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-10 01:53 PM | Reply

I don't get it.

We already knew Trump and Epstein were close and that trump is a liar.

#114 | Posted by Tor at 2025-09-10 02:00 PM | Reply

When is Epstein's BFF going to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell?

#115 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-09-10 02:01 PM | Reply

Then why didn't Biden DoJ use them?

#95 | Posted by oneironaut

The files were sealed by a Palm Beach judge until July, 2024.

#116 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-10 02:06 PM | Reply

-Its so ridiculous to imagine the Biden/Harris DoJ withheld going after Trump as a "pedophile", then lose, and not just throw the evidence out there. Then let Trump control the evidence.
Zed.....have a response to that?
#97 | POSTED BY EBERLY

^
You're the same retard who couldn't imagine Roe being overturned.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-10 02:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The files were sealed by a Palm Beach judge until July, 2024.
#116 | Posted by Sycophant

Eberly doesn't know what that means, and also doesn't know why Biden would respect a judge's orders.

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-10 02:09 PM | Reply

Look for the slightly redacted 238-page "Birthday Book" on the Facebook or the Google or something.

#119 | Posted by john47 at 2025-09-10 02:09 PM | Reply

proof of how absurd you are with pretending you actually know those things about people you have zero dialogue with.
#99 | Posted by eberly

From thirteen years ago:

How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did
www.forbes.com

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-10 02:13 PM | Reply

-If there's nothing there then there's no problem releasing them.

Nothing? Meaning Trump?

Not the thousands of other information and people?

Nothing?

See? You're proving it's just about Trump to you.

You can't be talked to.

You can't comprehend that there are other people involved.

It's not narrowed to Trump and Epstein ... .and a 12 year old.

But you're positive it is.

#121 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-10 02:14 PM | Reply

It's done.

Republicans have decided Trump raping children isn't a big deal. Others are on team "democratic hoax" and I'm sure there are those who are now team "FBI informant".

Regardless.

Republicans don't care about Epstein's best friend Trump or what they did together to those children.

Democrats fail miserably again.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-10 02:16 PM | Reply

"It's not narrowed to Trump and Epstein ... .and a 12 year old."

There's a reason the President's name being in there is more newsworthy than, say, Bill Gates, or anyone else suspected of being in there. (And not just because the DOJ has already confirmed Trump's name is in there.)

Do you actually disagree, or do you just need to cry it out and I'm not helping by interrupting?

Have a tissue, poor thing.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-10 02:17 PM | Reply

Looks like Eberly has joined team "democratic hoax".

#124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-10 02:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But while Trump's official signature often looks more jagged than the loopier "Donald" on the Epstein birthday letter, there are many examples of him signing his name in a similar way around the period in question.

A photo of an inscription in a copy of Donald Trump's book "Trump: The Art of the Comeback" that belonged to Jeffrey Epstein. President Trump's name appeared on a contributor list for a book celebrating the 50th birthday of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, evidence that he participated in the collection even as he denied that he signed a sexually suggestive note and drawing."

;;

"There's a 1996 letter to then-New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. There's a 1995 letter to a member of a local Palm Beach commission. There's a 1999 letter to former CNN host Larry King.

There's a 1984 letter to the executive editor of the New York Times, A.M. Rosenthal. Former MSNBC host Keith Olbermann on Monday produced a 2014 letter he received. There's even an inscription from 1997 in a Trump book that Epstein owned."

;;

"All feature that loopier style, followed by a long tail coming off the final "d" in Trump's first name.

It looks like Trump often signed his name in this manner when the subject matter was more personal " situations in which signing with his first name only would be appropriate.

If anything, the signature appears to affirm the legitimacy of the letter. But Trump allies are apparently sticking to the claim, even after their assertions about Trump drawings already blew up in their faces."
www.cnn.com

drudge.com

#125 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-10 02:28 PM | Reply

First, Trump and MAGAts said "there is no letter!" Voila! A letter indeed was there.
Then, Trump and MAGAts said "the signature is fake!" VOila! Several signatures are produced very similar to the one on the letter.
What next, MAGAts? Will you say Trump never treated women as objects, especially young women?

#126 | Posted by e1g1 at 2025-09-10 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The whole Epstein-Trump thing could have been a version of "God's Other Son," by Don Imus, years ago. Jump for Jesus!

#127 | Posted by john47 at 2025-09-10 03:28 PM | Reply

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