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#1. Yes release them but don't let Dems redact pertinent parts like they did the last time. Show the entire email this time.

#2 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-17 12:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

PEDO DONNIE is done for, and his idiot followers should stock up on Kool aid and strychnine.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-11-17 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1, #2:

Nice to see the idiots weigh in.

#4 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-17 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1 Was good enough for you and your ilk to damn Hunter Biden.

Right?

#5 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#2 Is outing victims of sexual violence your kink?

#6 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 12:13 PM | Reply

It is very likely, those files have already been scrubbed to remove Trump and the Republicans.

#7 | Posted by BBQ at 2025-11-17 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

... Several women who survived abuse by Jeffrey Epstein have come together for a public service announcement video demanding that Congress release all files ...

From what I understand, there may be to be a press conference tomorrow with many of the Epstein victims and Congresspeople.

Also, I just saw this ...

In reversal, Trump says House Republicans should vote to release Epstein files
apnews.com

... President Donald Trump said House Republicans should vote to release the files in the Jeffrey Epstein case, a startling reversal after previously fighting the proposal as a growing number of those in his own party supported it.

"We have nothing to hide, and it's time to move on from this Democrat Hoax perpetrated by Radical Left Lunatics in order to deflect from the Great Success of the Republican Party," Trump wrote on social media late Sunday after landing at Joint Base Andrews following a weekend in Florida.

Trump's statement followed a fierce fight within the GOP over the files, including an increasingly nasty split with Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who had long been one of his fiercest supporters. ...

The president's shift is an implicit acknowledgement that supporters of the measure have enough votes to pass it the House, although it has an unclear future in the Senate.

It is a rare example of Trump backtracking because of opposition within the GOP. ...


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-17 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

---- that fat, demented pedo pile of ----.

#9 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-11-17 12:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The "Great successes of the Republican Party = public Violence on minorities with 'Hoods' off.

Whoop-dee-dooo!

#10 | Posted by Wardog at 2025-11-17 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From what I understand, there may be to be a press conference tomorrow with many of the Epstein victims and Congresspeople.

Is pedo 47 going to arrange another military flyover during the presser.

#11 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-17 12:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Donald Trump will not let other people take what he thinks is his.

No matter how right they are.

A PSA is one way the victims purchase life insurance.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-17 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

We are in this very ugly situation because more than 77 million Americans were afraid a Haitian migrant was going to eat their dog.

#13 | Posted by anton at 2025-11-17 12:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#1 Was good enough for you and your ilk to damn Hunter Biden.
Right?

#5 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 12:12 PM | Reply | Fla

The dumbass left his lap top at a repair shop and forgot it. And when bad stuff was found on it about him and Joe Dems said it wasn't his. Then Hunter's attorney sent an email to the repair shop saying to give back Hunter's laptop.

#14 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-17 12:54 PM | Reply

Heartbreaking video... and then to think of what the Pimp Perp Epstein said about Trump, 'he's the worse person I've ever known'.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#14 Ah, I see that the point flew over your head... and dropped a load of ---- on it.

Are you always this dense?

#16 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 12:58 PM | Reply

"The exchange took place nearly three weeks after Trump's first inauguration on Jan. 20, 2017.

Epstein told Summers in the alleged email, "Recall ive told you,, -- i have met some very bad people ,, none as bad as trump. not one decent cell in his body.. so yes- dangerous,"

people.com

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#14 ... Joe Dems said it wasn't his. ...

The concerns expressed about the laptop were not whether it was Mr Hunter Biden's, but the provenance of the laptop, i.e., who else had access to that laptop while it was in that shop.

It could not be shown that the laptop was not tampered with.

Provenance
en.wikipedia.org

... The primary purpose of tracing the provenance of an object or entity is normally to provide contextual and circumstantial evidence for its original production or discovery, by establishing, as far as practicable, its later history, especially the sequences of its formal ownership, custody and places of storage. The practice has a particular value in helping authenticate objects. ...

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-17 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 And, conveniently enough, post #1, to which I was responding, has completely disappeared.

If I remember, it was something to do with "chain of custody," or, more specifically, the lack thereof (emails, etc) as it relates to the Epstein files.

To which I responded, "Was good enough for you and your ilk to damn Hunter Biden."

You are not very good at this.

#19 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Heartbreaking video... and then to think of what the Pimp Perp Epstein said about Trump, 'he's the worse person I've ever known'.
#15 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:
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And considering that the left has told us they were the closest of friends your quote has really thrown a wrench into that one Cork.

#20 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-17 01:10 PM | Reply

#20 No "telling" necessary. You: Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

The American people: We'll believe our own eyes, thank you very much.

#21 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 01:12 PM | Reply

#19. And my point was there is nothing even close to this and the laptop so why bring it up.

#22 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-17 01:14 PM | Reply

@#14 ... Joe Dems said it wasn't his. ...
The concerns expressed about the laptop were not whether it was Mr Hunter Biden's, but the provenance of the laptop, i.e., who else had access to that laptop while it was in that shop.
It could not be shown that the laptop was not tampered with.
Provenance
en.wikipedia.org

... The primary purpose of tracing the provenance of an object or entity is normally to provide contextual and circumstantial evidence for its original production or discovery, by establishing, as far as practicable, its later history, especially the sequences of its formal ownership, custody and places of storage. The practice has a particular value in helping authenticate objects. ...

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-17 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Except those on the other end of the emails verified them. Plus were the photos tampered with as well?

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-17 01:17 PM | Reply

#22 No, I said "Hunter Biden," and your reptilian-brain responded exactly as I suspected when I pushed that particular button.

It was about chain of custody.

But, you do you, Dino.

#24 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 Ok, so if that is the case why even release the Epstein files, Dems had them for 4 years, part of the "chain of custody". How will we know they haven't been tampered with?

#25 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-17 01:21 PM | Reply

#25 The "Dems" didn't campaign on releasing anything.

The Trump did, on "day 1," natch.

Well, we're at day 1 + a bunch of ------- days since then, and no files.

Why is that, Dino?

#26 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Jocularity!"

www.youtube.com

You know Trumpers are losing it when all they can do is post LAME Whataboutisms about the Bidens rather than admit that their Cult Leader is a liar, a fraud, a rapist, a traitor, and a Pedo Pimp Enabler.

It's so sad and inept and stupid that it's funny.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#25 You ask, "How will we know they haven't been tampered with?" as it relates to the Epstein files.

How will we know that it wasn't tampered with as it relates to Hunter Biden's laptop?

Enquiring minds want to know.

#28 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 01:26 PM | Reply

Posted by A_Friend

Ol' fish-boy's about as sharp as a bowling ball.

Engaging that half-wit is an exercise in futility.

#29 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-17 01:29 PM | Reply

@#25 ... Dems had them for 4 years, part of the "chain of custody" ...

Law enforcement had the Epstein files.

#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-17 01:38 PM | Reply

@#23 ... Plus were the photos tampered with as well? ...

You tell me.

All I am stating that the provenance of the Hunter Biden laptop is not known. So any "evidence" on the laptop is suspicious.



#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-17 01:40 PM | Reply

#29 Thank you for that very welcomed heads-up. I guess they're everywhere.

#32 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 01:44 PM | Reply

FishPawn will commit suicide should anything happen to his messiah Trump.

FishPawn hasn't stopped crying since he read about Trump bottoming for Clinton.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-17 02:06 PM | Reply

you Democrats on here are sooo full of ---

this is going to be another "swing and a miss"

I would think Dems would get tired of lying all the time; and the Dems on here just keep falling for it like good little soldiers

#34 | Posted by Maverick at 2025-11-17 02:54 PM | Reply

- lying all the time

Anyone concerned about people who lie all the time couldn't be a Trumper... here's a quick example, two recent whoppers out of over 30K documented lies:

drudge.com

Those two lies are his excuses for attacking Venezuela; completely fabricated.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 03:04 PM | Reply

#34 I'm not sure that Falling On Your Sword to Defend the Trump & his administration of Pedophile Protectors is the hill you really want to die on.

But, hey, you do you.

#36 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-17 03:12 PM | Reply

Screw the reports that can be washed.

Ask these 4 women who have come forward. Obviously, they want their story told.

So tell it already.

Or are they waiting for the highest bidder.

Until then...hogwash.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-17 03:37 PM | Reply

Remember folks, its been over 7 years since Jeff Epstein has been arrested for trafficking minors and so far, NONE of the clients he was trafficking minors FOR have been arrested for ANYTHING. The only one who has faced any consequences is King Charles' brother Phillip, who, (sniff-sniff) doesn't get to be a "Prince" wearing fancy, Disney-esque costumes in a huge mansion anymore. Now he is reduced to being just a rich, privileged white male in a slightly smaller mansion- still with complete freedom of movement.

#38 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2025-11-17 03:41 PM | Reply

- Or are they waiting for the highest bidder.

Obviously the Christian thing to say.... OK, the White Nationalist MAGAnite thing to say.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 03:58 PM | Reply

Show the entire email this time.

The Durham Report will expose all that b.s.

#40 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-17 04:00 PM | Reply

Pump,

What does anything you wrote have to do with Trump?

The "thousand" of women should file a lawsuit. They should implicate Trump if they have a case he did anything himself.

Or are they just waiting for the highest bidder to sell the rights to their story?

I pity the people who do get implicated.

Until then regarding Trump...hogwash.

#41 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-17 04:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's all about protecting sex offenders.

#42 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-17 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#42 ... It's all about protecting sex offenders. ...

That and denying justice for the victims of those sex offenders.


As I said many time previously, I do not care who is pulled into Epstein's web.

What I really want is Justice for the victims.

#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-17 04:27 PM | Reply

@ #38 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2025-11-17 03:41 PM

From 21 Jan 2021 to 19 Jan 2025, USAG Merrick Garland sat on this pile of burning dynamite full of Credible Derogatory Information (CDI) on Dummkopf Trumpf, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and a legion of sinister people and entities. And a NYT reporter knew about the Epstein's mysterious financial transactions and unique massage services BEFORE the 2016 election: drudge.com

So, who was USAG Merrick Garland shielding for four years while Special Counsel Jack Smith worked his tuchus off when the FBI Epstein files could have taken down Dummkopf Trumpf as a pedophile?

Moreover, state agencies could have run parallel investigations into Trumpf. Too bad NYS AG Letitia James didn't have access to the FBI Epstein files when she prosecuted her civil case against Trumpf. I guess that's another reason Trumpf took away her security clearance, as well as Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg's. The statute of limitations in NYS would have allowed them to prosecute crimes of pedophilia.

#44 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-17 04:27 PM | Reply

Lamp,

"What I really want is Justice for the victims"

I agree.

But not go after the wrong people.

Otherwise your statement I quoted of yours is a lie.

Are you lying?

#45 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-17 04:33 PM | Reply

Of course no one wants the wrong people to be gone after, BJ, What's wrong with you?

#46 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-17 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's wrong with you?

He's in full Trump defensive mode.

He's blindly attacking anyone he thinks can troll into changing topics.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-17 04:45 PM | Reply

Pam Bondi: "The Epstein files are on my desk. Trump is mentioned in them"

BullShhtJohnson: "Is this a Democratic Hoax?"

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-17 04:49 PM | Reply

- Or are they just waiting for the highest bidder to sell the rights to their story?

Things a piece of barely human garbage would say about a 1,000 sexually violated young girls and women.

Disgusting Cult behavior, and the furthest thing from any religious belief.

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 05:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Corky,

By all means go after the people who did something.

Go after anyone who exploited these girls.

Don't make this political.

The issue is the perpetrators.

Expanding beyond this is garbage politics.

#50 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-17 05:26 PM | Reply

Don't make this political.

Like Trump telling Bondi to look into the democrats on the Epstein list?

Convenient way to tie it up for the next 3 years.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-17 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Clown,

And?

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-17 05:33 PM | Reply

Like Trump telling Bondi to look into the democrats on the Epstein list?

Convenient way to tie it up for the next 3 years.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack

Bondi could very well use it to claim the DOJ can't release any Epstein info during this "investigation." Per Trump's instructions.

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-11-17 05:37 PM | Reply

#50

It's only 'garbage politics' because your Cult Leader's name is all over it... if it were Hunter Biden, you would be calling for his castration.

You really shouldn't lie to people here, BJ. You are nowhere near bright enough to get away with such pathetic shilling.

As bad as Trump's Best Friend was, Epstein said that Trump was, 'the worst person I've ever known.'.

Imagine how bad that must be.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 05:37 PM | Reply

Corky,

Hunter's drugged women and himself exploiting them.

When you have information on Trump more than guilty by association, let me know.

#55 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-17 06:55 PM | Reply

Lady B, the decomposing orange turd is a rapist.

www.washingtonpost.com

#56 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-17 06:58 PM | Reply

Hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaahahahaha

"Don't make this political"

Hahahahaaaaaahahahahahahaha

That's a good one, BILLY.

Hahahahahahahahahahaahhahahaha

#57 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-17 07:17 PM | Reply

The Evangelical pedorapists are struggling so hard, but they're seasoned veterans at defending pedos, so it isn't surprising at all.

#58 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-17 07:19 PM | Reply

- guilty by association

Trump has a very very close association with a lying, raping, fraudulent, criminal traitor... and the murderer of 600,000 people this year, 2/3rds of them children; himself.

The idea that he is someone who would have taken advantage of his close association with the Pedo Pimp isn't any stretch of credulity, especially considering that he IN FACT FAILED TO TURN EPSTEIN IN WHEN he 'knew about the girls' and didn't 'bark'.

I don't know if you are more a religious hypocrite or a Trump Cultist, but both is a very disturbing combination.

I take my cues from JC, who fed the poor and the immigrant stranger, and saved his vitriol not for sinners or the Roman Gov, but for religious hypocrites who's morals were non-existent and who misled the people about God.

biblehub.com

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Epstein files damage control saga reminds me of the Vatican covering up priestly pederasts. The big difference is that many nefarious people and entities will be exposed by the files.

One wonders what Alan Dershowitz is working so hard to cover up, deny, and deflect, and why USAG Merrick Garland sat on the files from 21 Jan 2021 to 19 Jan 2025.



#60 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-17 08:01 PM | Reply

"Emeritus Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz entered the latest public spat around the late sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his friendship with President Donald Trump by arguing that Epstein wasn't all that bad.

Speaking with Chris Cuomo on NewsNation on Friday, Dershowitz thought it prudent to clarify the nature of Epstein's crimes.

"The predecessor on your show described Epstein as a convicted pedophile," Dershowitz complained to Cuomo.

"[Epstein] pleaded guilty to one count of having sex for money with a 17-year-and-10-month-old person. That's not a pedophile."

;;

"While Epstein is alleged to have committed far more numerous and wide-ranging crimes, the case Dershowitz is referring to is that of his 2008 plea deal, under which he served 13 months (of an 18-month sentence) in a work-release program.

However, that investigation began after accusations were made about his interactions with a 14-year-old girl, and federal officials identified 36 similarly aged girls whom Epstein allegedly abused.

Epstein pleaded guilty to the two relatively minor crimes of prostitution and soliciting a minor for prostitution in Florida in order to avoid federal charges.

A 2020 Justice Department report into the case found "poor judgment" was made in giving Epstein a sweetheart deal at the time."

www.thedailybeast.com

My question is when is someone going to prison for handing out that Sweetheart Deal in Florida??

Also, for when Epstein was murdered in prison? Was Mossad involved?

Inquiring minds want to know.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 09:40 PM | Reply

"The late Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre claimed that she was forced to have sex with Dershowitz on Epstein's private plane.

While he denied the claim, he did admit to getting a massage while at Epstein's house, although he stated that he kept his underwear on and did not enjoy it."

more at the above link

Dirty Dershowitz.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-17 09:51 PM | Reply

It's the ole "I smoked, but I didn't inhale" defense.

Nobody believes it.

#63 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-11-17 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Corky,

"I take my cues from JC, who fed the poor and the immigrant stranger"

Apostle Paul said in a letter, "For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."

#64 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-17 11:56 PM | Reply

@#61 ... A 2020 Justice Department report into the case found "poor judgment" was made in giving Epstein a sweetheart deal at the time."...

Ya think.

Yet Pres Trump appointed Mr Acosta to his Cabinet.

As a reward?

Alexander Acosta
en.wikipedia.org

... In 2007"2008, as U.S. attorney, Acosta approved a plea deal that allowed child-trafficking ring-leader Jeffrey Epstein to plead guilty to a single state charge of solicitation, in exchange for a federal non-prosecution agreement.[2]

After Epstein's arrest in July 2019 on sex trafficking charges, Acosta faced renewed and harsher criticism for his role in the 2008 non-prosecution agreement, as well as criticism and calls for his resignation as Secretary of Labor; he resigned on July 19 and was replaced by Eugene Scalia.

Since March of 2025, Acosta has been a member of the board of directors of Newsmax and serves as its Audit Committee chair.[3] ...



#65 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-17 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes release them but don't let Dems redact pertinent parts like they did the last time. Show the entire email this time.

#2 | Posted by fishpaw

What bulls*&^ are you reading?

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-18 12:36 AM | Reply

The Epstein emails reveal that the oligarchs and elites have their own moral and communication code.

This writer contends the emails prove conspiracy theories about the elites are true, as seen in the 1999 film Eyes Wide Shut: www.thewrap.com

#67 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-18 12:55 AM | Reply

Another casualty of the released emails, another elitist from Harvard (like Alan Dershowitz):

abcnews.go.com

#68 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-18 05:51 AM | Reply

Apostle Paul said in a letter, "For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."

#64 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Remember when Jesus fed the masses with 5 loaves and 2 fish?

I don't recall him asking for ID and proof citizenship or employment.

#69 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-18 08:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey, Bill.

NEWS FLASH...Jeesus out-fekin ranks Paul. Outranks him like a 5 Star General outranks a slick sleeve basic training 3rd day recruit.

Damn you are dumb.

Paul had an opinion. But Jesus was telling you how to get to heaven.

Where are your priorities you idiotic HERETICAL piece of political filth?

Own it and wear it. You are not a Christian, you are a Paulist. Cut the pretense.

#70 | Posted by Wardog at 2025-11-18 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#70 Best Newsworthy of the day... perhaps even the week, and we're only at Tuesday!

#71 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#64

As you've been told before, that was a letter to the church, which operated as a commune; it was not about a government policy.

There has never been anything in the OT or NT that says a government supposedly of by and for the People can't pool their money to help the less fortunate among us.

The truth is that all scripture tells us to do so.

Your white Nationalist Maganite nonsense isn't Christian at all.

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-18 10:33 AM | Reply

NEWS FLASH...Jeesus out-fekin ranks Paul. Outranks him like a 5 Star General outranks a slick sleeve basic training 3rd day recruit.
Damn you are dumb.
Paul had an opinion. But Jesus was telling you how to get to heaven.
Where are your priorities you idiotic HERETICAL piece of political filth?
Own it and wear it. You are not a Christian, you are a Paulist. Cut the pretense.
Posted by Wardog at 2025-11-18 10:26 AM | Reply

Paul never knew Jesus. He came after him.

#73 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-18 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Paul met the risen JC on the road to Damascus, then spent 3 years being taught by him in the desert, including a tour of the third Heaven.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-18 10:50 AM | Reply

www.google.com

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-18 10:53 AM | Reply

"Paul met the risen JC on the road to Damascus, then spent 3 years being taught by him in the desert, including a tour of the third Heaven."

So said Paul and only Paul. Paul was a stoner (literally).

Speaking of being stoned (apologies to biblical Stephen), I met Jesus too. We were smoking weed out back of the Sig Tau shed back in 2011. He came and told me not to bag Jeannette from House Clio. Apparently Jeannette was actually a Jeff, not a Jeannette.

I've been a true believer ever since.

#76 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2025-11-18 11:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#76

;o) so, I never knew that the Kinks' song was biographical!

btw, somehow Peter and James, JC's brother and his best bud, believed Paul, who had studied at the feet of Gamaliel, when he showed up in Jerusalem. This Paul who had persecuted Christians and held the cloaks of the people who stoned Stephen to death. (Which is likely the guilt that haunted him physically all his life.)

#77 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-18 11:39 AM | Reply

Apostle Paul said in a letter, "For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."

#64 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Paul never knew Jesus when He was alive.

I'll take Jesus' words about the poor and suffering over an egotistical rich kid whose parents bought him Roman citizenship, who crucified Christians, and claimed to have had a visit. Probably a ruse to set himself up as the figurehead of the post-Jesus era.

Read Matthew 25:31-46 and see if you pass the test. The GOP doesnt, what with trying to cut school lunch programs and cut affordable, life-saving health care so they can fund tax cuts for billionaires.

Ain't nothin' Jesus about that! He spoke out against hoarding money while others suffer. To use it to help others.

#78 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-11-18 11:50 AM | Reply

Apostle Paul said in a letter, "For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."

#64 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Fake Plastic Christians are professionals at finding random quotes in the Bible to allow them to circumvent and avoid doing as Jesus commanded they do.

#79 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-18 12:13 PM | Reply

#78

AU... let me suggest a newish book for your perusal. It's by probably the most prominent NT scholar of our time, Oxford's resident scholar. It's called, 'Paul, a biography'. The author was a scholar of Ancient History in general before, so he's quite good at the times, languages, and cultures involved.

www.goodreads.com

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-18 12:22 PM | Reply

Donner,

"Fake plastic Christians are professionals at cherry picking scripture so they can dodge what Jesus actually commanded."

On that, we agree. I have said the same thing more times than I can count.

Let me be clear. I am not one of them. My faith is not costume jewelry. I have lived it, wrestled with it, and carried it through my entire adult life. God has not been a slogan for me. He has been present in the hardest parts of my life.

So I will ask you directly.

Are you speaking from a life shaped by living with Christ in your heart, or are you just throwing scripture around. Is the Bible just a book to you or does it have life giving properties only a believer can feel?

Because if a person calls out fake Christians while using scripture like a prop, they are not exposing hypocrisy.

They are demonstrating it.

#81 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 01:34 PM | Reply

Are you speaking from a life shaped by living with Christ in your heart, or are you just throwing scripture around.

I speak from a life shaped by ALL the religions of the world and my human experience of the human condition. Why have you isolated yourself to one perspective of reality as if that is the only way of experiencing Life and the Divine. Do you not know yet that EVERYTHING is relative? Dependent entirely on your position in space and time.

If I was to have to choose one human (there are so many) who has shaped my view of the cosmos and life and the divine it would have to be the Buddha.

I do not worship any Gods, imaginary or otherwise. I thought I have made that clear. The fact that you claim you do "worship" a God does not give you any special authority in the matter.

If any Gods do exist then they have more of a responsibility for caring for and nurturing the spark of Life in a violent universe than I have spending my brief existence "worshipping" them.

"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no God. (As long as ... ) It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-18 01:54 PM | Reply

War,

"Where are your priorities you idiotic HERETICAL piece of political filth?
Own it and wear it. You are not a Christian, you are a Paulist. Cut the pretense."

I will admit it. That was a setup. I knew the ones who do not really believe the Bible would run straight to that argument. They did not disappoint.

As if, Jesus did not choose Paul to carry His message.

As if, Paul was representing himself and not pointing to Jesus.

As if, Jesus and Paul disagree.

Thank you for proving my point better than I could have.

#83 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 01:58 PM | Reply

Because if a person calls out fake Christians while using scripture like a prop, they are not exposing hypocrisy.

I am very familiar with what a true Christian acts and sounds like. I will continue to call you a fake Plastic Christian every time I see you act like one.

Being as how your God (as you would call it) exists everywhere and in all of us you can consider me a messenger from your "God".

Maybe He is trying to tell you something.

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-18 02:03 PM | Reply

Corky,

"It's called, 'Paul, a biography'"

After reviewing the book, the good and bad, it sounds interesting.

I will check it out.

#85 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 02:13 PM | Reply

Donner,

Before I look at the book, surely you have a particular point in mind.

Just go for it. Be specific.

What did you get out of the book you want me to understand?

#86 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 02:56 PM | Reply

Ooops....I directed the post to the wrong person.

Corky,

Before I look at the book, surely you have a particular point in mind.

Just go for it. Be specific.

What did you get out of the book you want me to understand?

#87 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 02:58 PM | Reply

Just go for it. Be specific.

Or just forget about it and get the thread back on track. I'll help:

Several women who survived abuse by Jeffrey Epstein have come together for a public service announcement video demanding that Congress release all files ...

You're welcome.

#88 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-18 03:00 PM | Reply

What did you get out of the book you want me to understand?
#87 | POSTED BY BULLSHHTJOHNSON

Pretty sure most of us have given up on you understanding anything and simply wait for the day you're no longer.

#89 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-18 03:03 PM | Reply

Donner,

"Are you speaking from a life shaped by living with Christ in your heart, or are you just throwing scripture around."

You are free to call me anything you want. That does not make your claim true.

And your messenger claim is hollow. God would not send a person who mocks Him to correct believers. He does not speak through someone who treats His word like a book of punchlines and then who hides behind it to justify their insults. That is not a message from God.

If you want to discuss scripture, then discuss scripture.

If you want to trade insults, at least be honest that is what you are doing.

But do not pretend your voice is His. You have not earned the right to make that claim.

#90 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 03:11 PM | Reply

My... 427-1 to release the files.

#91 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-18 03:12 PM | Reply

- surely you have a particular point in mind.

My post was to AU.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-18 03:26 PM | Reply

American,

"Paul never knew Jesus when He was alive."

Paul had direct ties to the apostles Jesus chose and traveled with. He met Peter, James, and John, and they confirmed that he was spirit filled and preaching the same gospel they preached. Paul would have talked with them at length about Jesus thoughts, intent, and meaning.

"who crucified Christians"

Saul did not crucify anyone. Crucifixion was a Roman method. What Saul did was drag believers from their homes, throw them into prison, and approve of their deaths. Saul was not a Roman executioner, although he was violent.

The fact that Jesus chose a man like Saul and turned him into Paul to carry His message to the world only makes his testimony all the more powerful.

#93 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 03:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

American,

The Apostle Peter is also who Jesus spoke to and said,

"Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

He would be a most interesting person for Paul to talk to.

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 03:33 PM | Reply

About this thread, the video that was posted on this thread, I really don't know if that's something I want to watch.

I certainly don't want to hear any details about what they experienced. I have enough imagination to figure it wasn't a vacation.

I read enough when I saw "Epstein had a 2 inch egg shaped penis".

Ok...that's enough for me.

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 03:37 PM | Reply

Bill really doesn't want to talk about the Epstein Files.

#96 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-18 03:37 PM | Reply

Redial,

"Bill really doesn't want to talk about the Epstein Files."

Didn't Trump recently "do an about face" I read and pushing for them to get released?

#97 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 03:49 PM | Reply

Redial,

And now a ex President of Harvard has quit making the rounds because he has been implicated?

#98 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 03:50 PM | Reply

Redial,

About these "Epstein files" everyone is buzzing about, here's what I've found.

Everything released so far shows exactly four things about Trump.

1. He knew Epstein socially for years.
2. He showed up in logs, photos, and guest lists just like lots of other wealthy people.
3. Epstein claimed in emails that Trump "knew about the girls." That's Epstein's claim and not evidence of a crime.
4. Every major witness (including Giuffre and Maxwell) says they never saw Trump abuse anyone.

No accusations.
No charges.
No testimony.
No evidence of misconduct.

Tell me if I'm missing something?

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 04:00 PM | Reply

Yes, you continue to be deaf and dumb about the Fact that your MAGA Cult Leader is a yuge liar; he's lying now about Venezuela:

drudge.com

That he's a convicted felon, a convicted sexual assault artist, several times Impeached, and who had dozens of his own hand-picked Trumpers in the WH testify under Oath to his crimes as a traitor to his country.

Not to mention that he's murdered 600,000 people this year, 2/3rds of them children... because he couldn't be bothered to give time for other nations and orgs to feed them while he made a show of cutting Gov spending... which money he then used for tax cuts for himself and his friends.

The idea that it's some kind of shocker that he was best friends with a Pedo Pimp and DIDN'T TURN EPSTEIN IN... when he 'knew about the girls' but, didn't 'bark'... is intentionally obtuse.

He's the furthest thing from a Christian that's ever been in the WH, but you pander to him like he's your Lard God.

It's disgusting to see.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-18 04:16 PM | Reply

Tell me if I'm missing something?

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 04:00 PM | Reply

The 13 year old that accused him of rape.

#101 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-18 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good Christian Dummkopf Trumpf praying to his god:


#102 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-18 04:23 PM | Reply

"God would not send a person who mocks Him to correct believers"

How about someone who lies regarding the efficacy of mail-in ballots, but won't admit five years later he still doesn't have the first scintilla of proof???

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-18 04:33 PM | Reply

Alex,

"The 13 year old that accused him of rape"

1. 2016 civil lawsuit filed under the name "Katie Johnson"

2. Case was filed three times using different lawyers and different versions of the story

3. The woman never appeared publicly, never testified, and never provided corroborating evidence

4. Her own lawyers dropped the case and withdrew, saying they could not vouch for her story

5. The accuser dismissed the lawsuit herself right before the election, stating she had received threats and would not continue

6. No criminal case was ever opened, no witnesses ever supported it, and no evidence was ever produced

7. Even outlets hostile to Trump ended up saying the accusation was unverifiable and could not meet basic journalistic standards

8. You've decided you know he did it

Do you have other information I didn't find?

#104 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 04:47 PM | Reply

Dan,

"How about someone who lies regarding the efficacy of mail-in ballots, but won't admit five years later he still doesn't have the first scintilla of proof???"

My opinions are projections I see if America continues using mail-in ballots without the same standards of absentee ballots.

How is telling my opinions lying?

It's just opinions.

#105 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 04:51 PM | Reply

"How is telling my opinions lying?"

Your "opinion" requires tens of thousands of stolen ballots, taken surreptitiously and used to vote for the Democrat.

The fact NO ONE has come forward after five years making that claim (or anything like it) PROVES YOUR OPINION WRONG.

Ultimately, the concept it happened tens of thousands of times, and after a close election NOBODY came forward and made the claim, should prove to you how bogus the concept remains. It defies logic, macro statistics, and human nature.

But you'll ignore that and still lie.

And you want to pretend you're still a vessel of God?!?

#106 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-18 05:00 PM | Reply

Tell me if I'm missing something?

All his super rich "friends" that bought him the election to keep their names out of the Epstein news.

#107 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-18 05:02 PM | Reply

#105 Mail-in ballots have the exact same standards as absentee ballots.

Or, just how do you think absentee ballots are returned back to the supervisor of elections office?

By magic?

Or, perhaps, by mail?

#108 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 05:03 PM | Reply

"if America continues using mail-in ballots without the same standards of absentee ballots."

Mail-in ballots ARE absentee ballots. Same provenance, same safety steps. They're all watermarked, they're all serial-numbered. And if a ballot is returned which wasn't requested??? INVESTIGATION.

And same concept: Oregon has been doing mail-in ballots for three decades; you've yet to find ANY problems. Same with the military, for over a century and a half.

That's PLENTY of time for study and analysis. How many problems can you currently cite?

And if you have nothing, please show your honesty and admit as much.

#109 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-18 05:06 PM | Reply

You've decided you know he did it

Based on everything else he's done. YES.

He's an adjudicated rapist, best friends with Epstein for 15 years, and bragged about going into the teenage dressing rooms at his pageant to see naked girls.

He did it.

#110 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-18 05:08 PM | Reply

He bragged about being a sexual predator, for god's sakes.

#111 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 05:10 PM | Reply

Tell me if I'm missing something?
#99 | Posted by BillJohnson

You're willfully ignoring the fact that he bragged about being a sexual predator, including the context that he sexually assaults women routinely. Why are you choosing ignorance? Why did you choose ignorance in 2016 when it was well known that he bragged about being a serial sexual predator?

#112 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 05:12 PM | Reply

Rsty,

How does this tie to the Epstein files?

#113 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 05:24 PM | Reply

LMAO

#114 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-18 05:25 PM | Reply

The fact of the matter is in-person votes are the easiest to manipulate, with long lines, fewer precincts, altered bus service, new ID requirements, speed traps, and the like.

Mail-in ballots have a higher rate of participation.

THAT's why suppressionists want to force in-person, day-of voting. Not because of efficacy or accuracy...for CONTROL.

#115 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-18 05:26 PM | Reply

Normal People: "he bragged about being a sexual predator"
Republicans: "How does this tie to the Epstein files?"

There is no connection between Epstein and sexual predators.
--Republicans.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-18 05:28 PM | Reply

Mail voting in the US: Data points to very low fraud and significant benefits to voters
www.brookings.edu

STUDY SHOWS THAT INCREASED VOTING BY MAIL DOES NOT REDUCE THE SECURITY OF U.S. ELECTIONS
www.sra.org

Mail-in voting does not appear to benefit one political party over the other, according to Stanford study
news.stanford.edu

Heritage Foundation's fraud database and found 143 cases of fraud using mailed ballots over 20 years, or about 0.00006% of total votes cast"roughly one mail-ballot fraud case per state every 6"7 years.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-report-points-to-restrictive-rules-on-mail-in-voting-worldwide

Universal vote-by-mail does not cause large increases in Democratic vote share, contrary to popular claims
effectivegov.uchicago.edu

Mail Voting is Safe and Secure
bipartisanpolicy.org

Fraud is rare in U.S. mail-in voting. Here are the methods that prevent it
www.reuters.com

Fox News: Studies show the rarity of mail-in and absentee voter fraud
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-warned-readers-about-vote-by-mail-concerns-in-2012-now- claims-thats-a-false-narrative

Numerous studies and audits have confirmed that mail-in voting fraud is extremely rare.
electioninnovation.org

#117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 05:29 PM | Reply

How does this tie to the Epstein files?
#113 | Posted by BillJohnson

JFC Can you take a guess?

#118 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 05:29 PM | Reply

How does this tie to the Epstein files?
#113 | Posted by BillJohnson

Peak stupidity.

#119 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-18 05:30 PM | Reply

We still are talking about mail in ballots?? Seriously???

Oh Lord

#120 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-18 05:30 PM | Reply

Bill really doesn't want to talk about the Epstein Files.
#96 | POSTED BY REDIAL

What else do you expect from a deplorable Trumping MAGAt?

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-18 05:33 PM | Reply

The connection is the pattern, not a single document. Trump publicly bragged about sexual misconduct, socialized with Epstein for years, appeared on record praising Epstein's interest in "younger" women, and was documented attending multiple private events with him. So when people discuss Epstein's network of exploitative behavior, Trump's own past statements about assault aren't irrelevant! They reinforce a broader pattern of how he treats and views female human beings!

Because when Trump bragged on tape about sexual assault, it showed a pattern that fits uncomfortably well with the kind of circles he willingly moved in, including Epstein's. Pretending these are totally separate issues ignores the context that makes those associations matter. When someone brags on tape about sexual assault, it's not shocking that they hung around Epstein. Birds of a feather and all that. Acting like these are unrelated is the real stretch.

#122 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 05:37 PM | Reply

#121 | Posted by ClownShack

The facts laid out in #117 should put that distraction to bed, but BJ is hell bent on choosing ignorance. And with willful ignorance comes pretzel-twisting distractions, like the fear of mail-in voting.

#123 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dan,

"Mail-in ballots have a higher rate of participation.
THAT's why suppressionists want to force in-person, day-of voting. Not because of efficacy or accuracy...for CONTROL."

Since I would prefer early in person voting, that excludes me.

Early voting solves many problems and in person solves a lot more.

But you want to lie.

#124 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 05:49 PM | Reply

Early voting solves many problems and in person solves a lot more.
#124 | Posted by BillJohnson

What problems would those be, BJ? And don't bother answering before you review the facts laid out in #117.

We'll wait.

#125 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 05:51 PM | Reply

Rsty,

"Because when Trump bragged on tape about sexual assault, it showed a pattern that fits uncomfortably well with the kind of circles he willingly moved in, including Epstein's."

Since the Epstein files aren't giving you the traction you hoped for, now you're expanding the search and trying to bundle every unrelated accusation together, hoping the volume will convince people he must be guilty of something.

At this stage it's not about evidence.

It's about finding anything that might fit the narrative.

Now you just have to keep hunting until you find the crime.

#126 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 05:57 PM | Reply

The facts laid out in #117 should put that distraction to bed, but BJ is hell bent on choosing ignorance. And with willful ignorance comes pretzel-twisting distractions, like the fear of mail-in voting.
Posted by rstybeach11

BJ is literally proving my point.

#127 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 05:57 PM | Reply

Rsty,

I'm not arguing my opinion.

It's an opinion for crying out loud and you're not changing it.

Early in person voting except for absentee ballots is the voting method that is best for America.

#128 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 06:01 PM | Reply

- he must be guilty of something.

BJ may have missed the part where Trump was convicted by a Jury of his Peers of finger-raping a woman (sexual abuse and civil battery) . Then he was convicted of defaming her and Fined $83 million.

This is his Hero, folks.

#129 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-18 06:05 PM | Reply

Rsty,

Also, I think ballots should be scanned in the precinct.

With today's technology there is no reason whatsoever to move uncounted ballots.

Count them where they're cast.

No chain-of-custody drama.

#130 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 06:06 PM | Reply

The Epstein file release is likely going to Trump's desk tonight.

House and Senate passed it.

#131 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-18 06:11 PM | Reply

"I'm not arguing my opinion."

Your "opinion" is disproven by the facts on the ground.

You can be of the opinion flying Unicorns exist. That doesn't mean for one moment you might be right.

Same here. If your theory was correct, we would be seeing dozens, if not hundreds, if not thousands of people coming out of the woodwork with your scenario. The fact it's been five years, and zero people have come forward claiming your scenario, proves your "opinion" is based on purposeful ignorance, and not facts.

And you don't even have the honesty to admit you have no proof after five years.

#132 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-18 06:18 PM | Reply

Early in person voting except for absentee ballots is the voting method that is best for America.
#128 | Posted by BillJohnson

Just to be clear so we don't get lost in the weeds:

Did you click any of the sources in #117 " yes or no?

If the answer is "no," then you're not debating me. You're debating your own refusal to look at evidence. Everything else you say after that is just noise to avoid admitting you don't want your opinion tested.

#133 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 06:24 PM | Reply

At this stage it's not about evidence.
It's about finding anything that might fit the narrative.
Now you just have to keep hunting until you find the crime.
#126 | Posted by BillJohnson

Hey BillJohnson,
This is what you do with mail-in ballots.
You never found a crime.
But you're 100% sure it's there.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-18 06:34 PM | Reply

"Since I would prefer early in person voting, that excludes me."

Sorry, but if it's got to be in-person, it's easier to suppress "certain" voters. And the fact early voting isn't universa, and Trump is demanding day-of voting,l underscores the control factor.

"No chain-of-custody drama."

No more than regular absentee ballots.

Have you clicked on ANY of the #117 links? Want to guess how many of those links even MENTION your theory???

#135 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-18 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#124 Just exactly what "problems"?

You're seeking solutions to problems that do not exist?

And BJ boi, that's mighty white of you to concede that you prefer early in person voting.

Mighty white, indeed.

#136 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 07:07 PM | Reply

How is supporting the most secure form of voting a white thing?

#137 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:08 PM | Reply

#137 | Posted by BellRinger

Maybe it's this:

Research shows that in typically nonwhite voting districts, especially those composed predominantly of Black residents, the average wait time to vote in person is significantly longer than in typically white voting districts.

One notable study using smartphone geolocation data from the 2016 presidential election found that voters in entirely Black neighborhoods waited 29% longer on average to cast their ballots and were 74% more likely to experience wait times exceeding 30 minutes compared to voters in entirely white neighborhoods. This racial disparity in wait times persisted even after controlling for differences in population density, poverty, and geographic location within the same states and counties. The mechanisms for the disparity appear complex and include factors beyond voter congestion or intentional partisan actions, pointing toward systemic resource allocation and administrative challenges at polling places in minority communities.[1][2][3]

More recent data from the 2024 elections indicated that Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian in-person voters reported more similar wait times, suggesting some improvements in mitigating these disparities may be occurring; nonetheless, longstanding disparities have been documented over multiple election cycles in previous years.[4]

So the average in-person voting wait times have historically been longer in predominantly nonwhite districts than in white districts, reflecting persistent racial disparities in election administration and resource distribution at polling sites. These issues have drawn attention for their potential to disenfranchise minority voters by creating additional barriers to voting.[2][3][5][1][4]

[1](www.chicagobooth.edu)
[2](www.anderson.ucla.edu)
[3](www.nber.org)
[4](www.pewresearch.org)
[5](www.brennancenter.org)
[6](www.scientificamerican.com)
[7](direct.mit.edu)
[8](usafacts.org)
[9](calmatters.org)
[10](cawp.rutgers.edu)

#138 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 07:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#137 While I agree that the most secure form of voting is universal, automatic voter-registration (upon receiving your first state-issue, gold-stared driver's license) is mail-in voting...

...you seem to be completely ignorant about this well-known, Urban Dictionary definition of "Mighty white of you" (an AI summary):

"Mighty white of you" is an expression that can be used sarcastically to imply a person is "being decent" or "playing fair," especially when they are acting in a way that is considered to be fair-minded
or, from Urban Dictionary:
Used to describe someone who thinks they've done a great deed, charitable action or sacrifice, but in reality they've done very little to help the human condition.
Earl: I gave that homeless man my half eaten apple.
Roger: Wow, thats mighty white of you.
How'd you make this far along in the age of computers, the Internet, and AI, without knowing that?

#139 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 07:18 PM | Reply

And if you can't put 2 and 2 together, here's the underlying context:

Evidence indicates that lengthy wait times at the polls contribute to lower voter turnout, and this effect can disproportionately impact nonwhite voters who often face longer waits.

Research shows that every additional hour a voter waits in line decreases their likelihood of voting in the next election by about 1 percentage point. This relationship holds when controlling for other factors such as race, location, and voting history. The negative experience of waiting causes frustration, decreased confidence in the voting system, and ultimately discourages voters from returning.[1][2][8]

Since predominantly nonwhite districts tend to have longer average wait times, this systemic disparity contributes to a lower turnout rate among nonwhite voters compared to white voters. Studies specifically highlight that long waits, administrative inefficiencies, and lack of resources at polling places are key barriers dampening turnout in these communities.[3][4][6]

The longer wait times faced by nonwhite voters at the polls are a significant factor tied to lower turnout, as longer lines and delays have a measurable and negative impact on the likelihood that people will vote in subsequent elections. Efforts to reduce wait times, allocate resources more equitably, and improve election administration are crucial to addressing turnout disparities.[2][4][6][1][3]

[1](www.democracydocket.com)
[2](pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
[3](digitalcommons.ursinus.edu)
[4](www.apmresearchlab.org)
[5](electionlab.mit.edu)
[6](www.brennancenter.org)
[7](www.kareemhaggag.com)
[8](www.sciencedirect.com)
[9](votingrightslab.org)
[10](bipartisanpolicy.org)

You should be supporting change to the above; instead, it sounds like you're just supporting the status quo.

#140 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 07:20 PM | Reply

For the record, I don't have a problem with mail in voting.

#141 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:37 PM | Reply

" Since predominantly nonwhite districts tend to have longer average wait times, this systemic disparity contributes to a lower turnout rate among nonwhite voters compared to white voters. Studies specifically highlight that long waits, administrative inefficiencies, and lack of resources at polling places are key barriers dampening turnout in these communities.[3][4][6]"

Why would these community leaders purposely disenfranchise the very people who voted them into office?

#142 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:39 PM | Reply

" is mail-in voting"

The most secure form of voting is in person.

#143 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:43 PM | Reply

#143 No, it isn't.

#144 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 07:43 PM | Reply

The best type of voting is when bill johnson stays at home.

#145 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-18 07:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" ...you seem to be completely ignorant about this well-known, Urban Dictionary definition of "Mighty white of you" "

I know that it's a pejorative. The supposed anti racist left loves injecting race into everything and acting like it's bad to be white, unless one denounces his skin color.

#146 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:44 PM | Reply

#144. Yes, it is. The ballot touches the poll workers hands and the voters hands after the poll worker hands over the ballot. That's it. Mail in ballots touch more hands making them less secure than in person.

Arguing that mail in is more secure than in person is peak insanity.

#147 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:46 PM | Reply

#147 And the ballot touches the poll workers hands when the USPS delivers it. Voter -> USPS -> elections office for counting.

What you're proposing is: Voter -> poll worker -> elections office for counting.

100% oops.

#148 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 07:51 PM | Reply

Why would these community leaders purposely disenfranchise the very people who voted them into office?
#142 | Posted by BellRinger

Systemic racism goes beyond "community leadership," JEFF. It's interesting that you'd avoid clarifying whether you support change or support the status quo.

#149 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 07:51 PM | Reply

#146 | Posted by BellRinger

Sounds like you choose to live in the Era of Colorblindness. Oh boy do I have a book for you to read, and funnily enough, it's the same book I've been pushing BOAZ to read for years, yet he consistently refuses.

#150 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 07:52 PM | Reply

#146 Were you born this fragile?

Or was your snowflake award given to you as you graduated from Brownie to Girl Scout?

#151 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 07:53 PM | Reply

144. Yes, it is. The ballot touches the poll workers hands and the voters hands after the poll worker hands over the ballot. That's it. Mail in ballots touch more hands making them less secure than in person.
Arguing that mail in is more secure than in person is peak insanity.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:46 PM | Reply

Not if the voting machine is compromised in any way then mail in voting is more secure considering you have a documented paper trail.

#152 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-18 07:57 PM | Reply

#152 Thank you. Excellent point.

#153 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 07:58 PM | Reply

" What you're proposing is: Voter -> poll worker -> elections office for counting.

100% oops.
#148 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND AT 2025-11-18 07:51 PM | FLAG: "

Poll worker checks ID, verifies district and crosses off name indicating ballot has been secure. Voter to tabulating machine. Where I'm at the voter feeds the ballot into the machine. That's a more secure paper trail than mail in. Can't engage in things like ballot harvesting or buying ballots or pilfering mailboxes and drop boxes with in person voting.

#154 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 08:16 PM | Reply

#151. It's a stupid pejorative and I'm calling it out as such. Nothing fragile about that.

#155 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 08:17 PM | Reply

#155 Oh, it is "a stupid pejorative." And you just HAD to call it out.

Couldn't help yourself, could you, fragile snowflake.

#156 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 08:21 PM | Reply

#156. It is a stupid pejorative used by racially obsessed people who will hurl the worst racist invective at any black person who walks away from left wing orthodoxy.

#157 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 08:23 PM | Reply

157 | Posted by BellRinger

So do you support the status quo or would you prefer to see change that leads to fairness for in-person voting?

#158 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 08:36 PM | Reply

#154 "Poll worker checks ID, verifies district and crosses off name indicating ballot has been secure. "

Mail in: elections supervisor sends - via USPS - a secure ballot. No checking of "ID" necessary, because said voter had to produce proof of eligibility, with the elections supervisor... when they register to vote. No registration, no ballot.

Next?

"Where I'm at the voter feeds the ballot into the machine. That's a more secure paper trail than mail in."

Oh, and just where are those ballots, that you felt all warm and fuzzy about watching go into the counters - just where do you think those ballots end up? In your precinct, where you voted? Nope. They are gathered up (harvested, it you will), then taken to the place where the ballots are all tallied for the results in the county/parish. Gosh, sometimes they're taken to a central location and then taken to the central place where all the ballots are all tallied.

Meanwhile, mail in ballot goes from supervisor of elections -> previously registered voter -> voter completes ballot in the privacy of their own home -> returns ballot to supervisor of elections via USPS -> supervisor of elections opens ballot, confirms its eligibility, then feeds it into the tabulating machine. If the tabulator is wrong, the mailed in paper ballots are there for a manual, hand-count.

Yeah.

Anyone who is trying to defend in-person voting only as the only secure way to vote (while at the same time screwing those in the military stationed overseas, out of their right to vote) is un-American and insane.

And all your sanctimonious insistence on in-person voting being the only secure way to vote completely overlooks the quote (attributed to Stalin): "It doesn't matter who votes that counts, it only matter who counts the votes." And your wet dream of in-person voting (and its racist demand for ID) is completely impotent when face with that true danger to this democratic republic of ours.

#159 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 08:38 PM | Reply

-And all your sanctimonious insistence on in-person voting being the only secure way to vote

He said he has no problem with mail in voting.

I think the sanctimony is coming from you.

#160 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-18 08:45 PM | Reply

He said he has no problem with mail in voting.

True. Mail in voting is secure.

#161 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-18 08:49 PM | Reply

I'm fine with it as well.

#162 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-18 08:51 PM | Reply

" So do you support the status quo or would you prefer to see change that leads to fairness for in-person voting?

#158 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2025-11-18 08:36 PM | REPLY"

I am all for making in person voting as fair and efficient as possible. If long lines ar3 the result of too few polling stations then more need to be inserted. If a jurisdiction lacks the resources to add polling stations then the state government should provide what they need.

#163 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 08:54 PM | Reply

" Anyone who is trying to defend in-person voting only as the only secure way to vote ... "

Well, it's good that I haven't been doing that.

#164 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 08:55 PM | Reply

#160 Yeah? And? Supposedly the Trump never, ever actually said "I will release the Epstein files on day one"... but, yet, he's talking all the grief over that affair because that's exactly what he wanted his voters to believe.

So, shove it with your attempt to normalize a clear intent.

Otherwise, why with the bovine excrement defending in-person voting as being the only secure way to vote?

Oregon's 3+ decade experiment in universal mail-in voting - with other voting jurisdictions now following suit - has shown mail-in voting to be both popular and successful. And safe and secure.

It is the GOP misconception that mail-in voting only helps Democrats that prompts absurd comments like "in-person voting is the only secure vote." It is a transparently lame attempt to cast shade on any and all voting other than in-person voting.

And, apologies for my "shove it" comment, above. Low and slow is much more effective.

#165 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:01 PM | Reply

#164 Whoops:

The most secure form of voting is in person. #143 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:43 PM

If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember what you said.

#166 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:02 PM | Reply

"Anyone who is trying to defend in-person voting ONLY"

Besides BJ, who is doing that?

#167 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-18 09:14 PM | Reply

#167 Oh, BJ boi is enough. Thanks.

#168 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:16 PM | Reply

" The most secure form of voting is in person. #143 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:43 PM

If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember what you said.

#166 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND AT 2025-11-18 09:02 PM | REPLY"

That's a true statement. I also said that I have no problem with mail in voting. Why? Because it's also proven to be secure. In person voting is MORE secure, but mail in voting has enough security built in to be reliable.

I'll put it in terms of NBA score.

In person 121
Mail in 115

Close, but in person still wins.

I hope your tiny mind is capable of grasping this nuance.

#169 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 09:20 PM | Reply

#169 Your "clarification" of "mail in voting has enough security built in to be reliable" belies your transparent attempt to throw shade on all forms of voting that are NOT in-person.

Here's how someone who wasn't sucking on an orange dick would put it, honestly:

"In person voting is the most secure form of voting, but mail in voting has enough security built in to be reliable."

And completely transparent person would say something like this:

"In person voting is the most secure form of voting, but mail in voting has enough security built in to be reliable, while other forms of voting, including the blue finger dip, also have some strong security features. But every form of voting has its advantages and disadvantages, such as ...."

Nope, you were too busy sucking on an orange dick than to be transparent and honest.

#170 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:26 PM | Reply

#170. Why don't you shovel some more straw. You're being combative solely for the sake of being combative and are assigning a position to me -" ... belies your transparent attempt to throw shade on all forms of voting that are NOT in-person." - that I have not taken.

I've made my position clear. Either accept it or go suck an orange dick.

#171 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 09:36 PM | Reply

"The most secure form of voting is in person."

It's the easiest to manipulate.

There's never a 4 hour line for a mail-in ballot. There's never a problem with buslines, or construction, or speed traps, or lane closings. There's never a need for child care while you vote, or lost wages, or transportation costs to and from the (ever diminishing) voting precincts.

Forcing in-person voting is an attempt at control; every legal voter should be able to choose the way THEY vote.

Don't forget the Suppressionist's Motto:

An additional barrier to voting won't be an additional barrier to voting!

#172 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-18 09:37 PM | Reply

Main-in and in-person are both secure ways to vote. Very simple.

#173 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-18 09:38 PM | Reply

#171 You've made your position very, very clear:

He (the Trump) thinks you are stupid.

He thinks we are all stupid.

They know they have no platform.

They know they have no policies.

They know they are not improving a single life except the predators and plutocrats who bankroll them.

So they distract.

They misdirect.

They shake jangly bullshit in the air like cheap street magicians stalling the crowd.

They need to believe we're stupid enough to swallow this crap, because seventy-seven million people already did.

And they're banking on you being just stupid enough to swallow it again.

So the real question is ...

Are you?

#174 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:40 PM | Reply

163 | Posted by BellRinger

Glad to hear it. Hoping you also recognize why mail in voting is so important for certain demographics because both state and federal governments aren't interested in addressing said status quo. Hell, in some states, they're actively trying to make it worse. Any idea why they would want to do that? Sincerely curious in your thoughts.

#175 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 09:41 PM | Reply

#171 Hey, the position I am assigning to you fits all available requirements and content, as proven here, over and over and over again: drudge.com

#176 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:43 PM | Reply

"Why don't you shovel some more straw."

That's roughly the fortieth time you've proven you don't understand the definition of strawman.

A Friend didn't make up a fake position you'd never taken, to then attack it.

He took your exact position, and eviscerated it.

Decidedly NOT a strawman.

#177 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-18 09:44 PM | Reply

The ballot touches the poll workers hands and the voters hands after the poll worker hands over the ballot. That's it. Mail in ballots touch more hands making them less secure than in person.
Arguing that mail in is more secure than in person is peak insanity.
Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-18 07:46 PM

Your argument doesn't have any evidence.
You argument is based in assumptions.

If it is true, you would have evidence.
But you don't, because you're a liar.

#178 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-18 09:44 PM | Reply

#172 Bravo!
#173 Excellent.. and thank you.

#179 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:44 PM | Reply

Really, it comes down to this:

Why should we first address the harms (see nonsignificant) of mail in voting or absentee voting when there are FAR more significant harms (see systemic raciscm) taking place through the in-person voting system?

Take on the actual harms taking place then address the statistically insignificant problems with mail in and absentee voting.

Should be simple for all of us to support this methodology, right?

#180 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 09:46 PM | Reply

#178 Most excellent.

Are those on the other side of the aisle always that, well, lazy in their thinking/replies?

#181 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:47 PM | Reply

#180 I vote "AYE!" (getting ready to go to Colonial Williamsburg this December for their Grand Illumination)

#182 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:48 PM | Reply

I vote "AYE!" (getting ready to go to Colonial Williamsburg this December for their Grand Illumination)

#182 | Posted by A_Friend

If only all of us actually had a vote that counted.

#183 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-18 09:49 PM | Reply

#183 *sigh* You're right.

#184 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-18 09:50 PM | Reply

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