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Young MAGA voters have buyer's remorse after becoming frustrated by Trump's prioritization of foreign policy over "America First."

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WASHINGTON, DC - There's a school of thought emerging that warns us against shaming the people who might be regretting their vote for Donald Trump in 2024. The idea is that we should reach out to them and welcome them back into the Normals clubhouse in hopes they'll help us push back. Malice toward none, charity for all, as President Lincoln said in his Second Inaugural address.

As we observe Donald's death squads gunning down American citizens in the streets while he indiscriminately destabilizes the world order, while he tortures immigrants, while he forces the trans community into hiding, while he exacerbates the climate crisis crushing all the tipping points, and while he scrawls his name in ---- on everything from the White House to the Kennedy Center - you know, the daily horror show playing out on our screens - I'm not feeling very charitable, Mr. Lincoln.

#1 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 09:24 AM | Reply

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But look, I'm not running for Congress, either, so I'll just say it: I will never stop referring to the 77 million voters who re-elected Donald Trump as suckers and dummies. I will always and forever hold them responsible for the disruption pornography that used to be flawed but normal American politics.

George Carlin observed that stupid ignorant voters give us stupid ignorant politicians. Garbage in, garbage out, he said. If you voted for Donald knowing about his criminality, his cozy relationship with tyrants, his self-dealing - if you knew about January 6; his criminally negligent response to COVID, leading to 400,000 American suffocation deaths during his final 10 months in office; and of course his screechy propaganda war against the truth, against reality, and against American values, you deserve not only the crap end of the lollipop but also the shame and ridicule of those who tried to warn you.

#2 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 09:24 AM | Reply

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When I'm told that we shouldn't shame these people, I don't know who they're talking about. I have no idea specifically which Trump voters regret their choice versus the 35 percent or so who will never regret it. How on Earth do we pick the gnat sh*% out of the pepper? Sorry, but they're all equally responsible for this crisis, regret or not. No takebacks. In fact, I would argue that the ones who regret it now should've known better and are therefore more guilty for manifesting such a colossal disaster.

I get their justifications, as twisted and nearsighted as they are. Some of these people voted for Donald because they couldn't bring themselves to support a Black woman. Some of them voted for him because they were concerned about grocery prices. Some voters, including many liberals, decided not to vote for president at all and either stayed home or skipped that part of their ballots, allowing Donald to win with a narrow plurality of the popular vote and therefore fueling the bogus claim of a mandate for his horrendous Project 2025 agenda.

#3 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 09:25 AM | Reply

#4 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 09:38 AM | Reply

-The idea is that we should reach out to them and welcome them back into the Normals clubhouse in hopes they'll help us push back

Who in God's name are you talking about? Normal Trump voters? Normal republican party voters?

They aren't going to accept any invitation from you to the "normals clubhouse". They'd rather spit in your face.

They might regret their Trump vote but it doesn't go any further than that.

The author doesn't need to worry about whether or not to shame them.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 09:42 AM | Reply

I truly believe that America (and to a lesser extent) the world is suffering an ongoing trauma inflicted by one person aided and abetted by a slew of horrible people. There is psychic damage being inflicted on the masses on a daily basis, be it threatening allies, stealing foreign country's resources for personal gain, a verbal and physical assault on American citizens, cruelty inflicted on the vulnerable in full view, the constant assault on reality through lies and gaslighting, manipulation of the economy through tariffs, flagrant and mind-blowing corruption of a scale a that would make a tin pot African dictator blush, the public --------- of a sick man by his cabinet and business leaders, the assault on research and public health, the complete and utter abdication of power and responsibility by Congress (who in one year accomplished one single solitary thing-cutting taxes for billionaires and the gutting of the social safety net), the absolute cruelty of just stripping aid to the most vulnerable people on the planet, the defacing and destruction of monuments to the secular good like the White House or the Kennedy Center and so much more.

This is a daily assault on any thinking person's mental health. The incessant need to try and make sense of the cognitive dissonance befuddles brains, the assault and weaponization of empathy, the complete inability to stop actual murder, the hypocrisy, the lawfare, the subversion of governance, the actual malice of the leaders of our country towards the vast majority of Americans, the normalization of lies and lying, all this and more inflicts serious harm to normal everyday people.

There is no whataboutism here that is even remotely applicable. No administration Republican or Democratic comes close to the absolute and flagrant nastiness of this regime

The actions of this regime are far, FAR beyond anything that has gone before.

For those that truly love America, that love actual representative democracy, that actually respect freedom, the destruction being wrought on the American experiment is beyond endurance.

All being inflicted by a uniquely American man, a man so obviously deranged, so obviously morally demented, the logical end point of unfettered capitalism-greed and cruelty, nay all of the seven deadly sins wrapped together as virtue, entwined in a sick, diseased, hypocritical, nonsensical mess, that too many Americans believe in. A conman so obvious that it staggers the mind that anyone let alone people of a supposedly educated nation would fall for his schtick. A rapist, conman, felon, insurrectionist, liar who Americans chose over a normal human being.

America is in the midst of a trauma that may take decades to repair if that is even possible at this moment. America has for decades been unwilling to face and deal with trauma-be it Watergate, Iran-Contra, 9/11, COVID. One group of Americans denies the problem, while another group acts the co-dependent and refuses to take a stand.

But a person or society can only take so much stress before collapse. An individual suffering this sort of trauma may commit suicide or lash out and harm others. When a nation collapses like this it is bloody civil war or economic collapse.

I do not see a scenario where, post Trump, our country can heal, the Trump enablers will NOT accept responsibility, like neocons after Iraq, they will go silent and evolve into some other type of selfish and mean-spirited entity and those never-Trumpers aka the resistance will be incapable of doing the hard work of healing. Healing will require holding accountable the multitudes who have committed atrocities, it will take a cleansing of government of the regressives and it will take an honest accounting of our faults and sins. Like an addict America is incapable of such honest introspection.

I fear for the future.

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-29 09:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I think I have a term for what is happening

Post-Trump Stress Disorder

And we aren't even Post-Trump yet

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-29 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 Eberly, you are absolutely the last person I would feel warrants this, but after reading the first line of your retort ("Who in God's name are you talking about? Normal Trump voters? Normal republican party voters?"), this feels only appropriate:


No, the author isn't talking about "normal" Trump voters or "normal" GOPyer voters.

When the author says, "...welcome them back into the Normals clubhouse..." he is referring to those voters who were not stupid enough to vote for Trump in 2024 after all he said and did before November, 2024.

And that would be you.

Right ? ? ? ?

#8 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 10:35 AM | Reply

-No, the author isn't talking about "normal" Trump voters or "normal" GOPyer voters.

The author references..."the people who might be regretting their vote for Donald Trump in 2024"

Sounds like normal trump and normal GOP voters to me.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 10:51 AM | Reply

#9 Then I would suggest that you see an otolaryngologist, Eb.

#10 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 10:52 AM | Reply

They aren't going to accept any invitation from you to the "normals clubhouse". They'd rather spit in your face.
They might regret their Trump vote but it doesn't go any further than that.

Which is why this is never going away.

Those folks will continue to vote for whatever candidate is most spiteful to the rest of us. That's really their only goal at this point.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-29 10:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

-Those folks will continue to vote for whatever candidate is most spiteful to the rest of us.

That's one way to view it.

Another way is that these folks will vote for whatever GOP candidate is on the ballot, regardless of how spiteful they are to the rest of us.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 10:58 AM | Reply

#9 Again, I never thought I would have to say this to you, Eb, but try reading the the entire article before you retort.

Cherry picking a single line out of the entire article, and pointing to that, is very unlike you, Eb.

See also: Context

#13 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 11:08 AM | Reply

-Cherry picking a single line out of the entire article, and pointing to that, is very unlike you, Eb

Actually, I cut and pasted what you posted which, technically could be defined as what you cherry picked out of the article.

But I still don't see how I misunderstood the author. I did read the article. The author IS referring to 2024 Trump voters. You're suggesting he's referring to voters who didn't vote for Trump in 2024.

but, as you suggested, I'll go seek the medical services you determined I'm in need of earlier.

LOL

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 11:17 AM | Reply

#14 Eb, please stop digging.

The rules here are no copy/paste the entire article as per the DMCA.

And you knew that, right ? ? ? ?

"You're suggesting he's referring to voters who didn't vote for Trump in 2024." = What the author referred to as the "Normals clubhouse".

I am still amazed that you don't/can't/will not understand that.

#15 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 11:35 AM | Reply

The US is full of one lever voters.

This isn't a one party is at fault.

The voters are hooked on the two parry system.

Who has run the country for 200+ years?
Who ran up the National Debt?
Why aren't the laws perfect?
Both parties have controlled the Legislative and Executive branches, yet voters still wonder why their previous positions aren't solidified in law?

The "supposedly" independent voters are screwing around.

Every election board is driven by two parties. Every freaking judge is of one of the two ruling parties.

The only votes wasted aren't the third party voters.

Its the damn two party voters that haven't learned a damn thing in 200+ years.

No, it's BS to claim one is better than the other.

Why haven't both parties shoved laws we want through when they have it all?

#16 | Posted by Petrous at 2026-01-29 02:52 PM | Reply

The only votes wasted aren't the third party voters.
Its the damn two party voters that haven't learned a damn thing in 200+ years.
No, it's BS to claim one is better than the other.
Why haven't both parties shoved laws we want through when they have it all?
Posted by Petrous at 2026-01-29 02:52 PM | Reply

Bears repeating.

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-01-29 02:57 PM | Reply

Why haven't both parties shoved laws we want through when they have it all?
Posted by Petrous at 2026-01-29 02:52 PM | Reply

Money is why.
Both parties are dependent on private money to fund their election campaigns.

While both parties are required to play by the same rules, only the Republican party fought and won for unlimited dark money in American politics.

As a result, for the past twenty years, Russia has been funneling money through the NRA to Republican candidates.
Republicans didn't set that in motion because it benefits We The People.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 03:02 PM | Reply

"The voters are hooked on the two parry system."

The Constitution is the hook.
People who seem like they can figure out water is wet don't seem to be able to make that connection, for whatever reason.

Our Constitution created a winner take all system.
That system might start out as one winner and ten losers, but not for long.
The ten losers are going to join forces to try to take on the one winner.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 03:04 PM | Reply

#16 Petrous says, "Its the damn two party voters that haven't learned a damn thing in 200+ years."

Questions: In all of those 200+ years, how many presidents have been of any party other than the Democratic Party or the Republican Party (following the death of the Whigs)?

And in that same period, how many governors and state legislatures have been elected, outside of the 2-party system, for more than just an historical fluke?

And in that same period, which political party held the majority in the halls of Congress (Senate and House) other than the Democratic Party and the Republican Party?

As for "The only votes wasted aren't the third party voters", how many of those third-party voters were the deciding factor in helping to elect anyone other than the candidates of the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?

'Tis all fine and well to place the blame on "party" voters, but what viable options do voters have besides wasting their votes on third party candidates - with no chance of victory - while simultaneously helping to actually elect candidates that might very well be the antithesis of their beliefs?

#20 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 03:08 PM | Reply

-The voters are hooked on the two parry system.

People claim they would like a better party but in reality, they don't care about another party enough to support one.

Despite their protestations, folks are just too lazy and apathetic to actually get away from the 2 parties.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 03:11 PM | Reply

It's not the voters, Eberly.

It's the structure of society.

It's much bigger than the voters.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 03:12 PM | Reply

No, it's the public. A huge segment of our population simply does not vote or pay attention.

#23 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-29 03:13 PM | Reply

#21 That, Eb, plus the electoral "success" of third-party candidates makes any person take a somewhat jaundiced view towards such candidates.

#24 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 03:13 PM | Reply

I admire folks like Mamdani who can run an alternative platform but not even in NYC will there be another party of consequence.

Mamdani will win by attracting dems and counting on a weak GOP candidate.

I will always boil down to the 2 parties....and who shows up.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 03:18 PM | Reply

Re 25

Because we do not listen and we cannot learn from history.

Apparently.

In his 1796 Farewell Address, George Washington profoundly warned that political factions and partisan, geographical allegiances would destroy American unity, foster a "spirit of revenge," and allow "cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men" to usurp power. He argued that excessive party loyalty divides the nation, distracts public councils, and enfeebles the government.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-01-29 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16 Petrous says, "it's BS to claim one is better than the other."

A Democratic president did not nominate, to the SCOTUS, William Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia, Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanagh, or Amy Coney Barrett.

A Republican president did not nominate, to the SCOTUS, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Ketanji Brown Jackson.

But, yeah, they're both the "same."

#27 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 03:24 PM | Reply

"folks are just too lazy and apathetic to actually get away from the 2 parties."

That's also pointedly missing the point of how change actually comes about. What you're doing, voting for the moderates, is how change is affected. From within. You're failing at it, but you've got the right idea.

MAGA got what they want not by starting a new party, but by completely taking over the Republican Party and turning it into the American Nazi Party. Change comes from within.

Reagan, as you know full well, did a massive amnesty for immigrants. If Reagan did that today, he'd get shot, and not by a crazy person trying to impress Jodie Foster, but by a Patriotic Republican trying to save America from an invasion of filthy disease carrying mud races Who admittedly would also be a crazy person, but his crazy is 100% aligned with today's Republican Party.

Because Republicans changed. That Republican party left you a long time ago, Eberly.

She's not coming back.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 03:25 PM | Reply

I will always boil down to the 2 parties....and who shows up.
#25 | Posted by eberly

Well, we're getting to "who is allowed to show up" territory now.
But yes, in a functioning democracy, this is all that really matters. Turnout.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 Mamdani was the Democratic nominee for mayor of NYC:

Democrats sweep key elections as Mamdani wins NYC mayor's race

#30 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 03:28 PM | Reply

"I admire folks like Mamdani who can run an alternative platform but not even in NYC will there be another party of consequence."

Yes but there's no other alternative.
To get a Parliament would require a Constitutional Amendment.
For obvious reasons, neither party in a Duopoly has anything to gain by allowing other parties to join the fun.

Perot did pretty well in '92. Huey Long probably should have won in the 30s.
But there's no sustained third party in this country because there's no unmet need that would drive the moneyed interests to fund a third party.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 03:30 PM | Reply

"Two parties" the illusion of choice.

You either get the democrat who has to dance for the billionaires approval or republican who has to dance for the billionaires approval.

George Carlin - Elections are a Charade - starts at 3:15

"Elections are the illusion of choice."
-George Carlin

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 03:38 PM | Reply

#32 Clown says, ""Two parties" the illusion of choice."

A Democratic president did not nominate, to the SCOTUS, William Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia, Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanagh, or Amy Coney Barrett.

A Republican president did not nominate, to the SCOTUS, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Ketanji Brown Jackson.

But, yeah, they're both the "same."

#33 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In his 1796 Farewell Address, George Washington profoundly warned that political factions and partisan, geographical allegiances would destroy American unity, foster a "spirit of revenge," and allow "cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men" to usurp power. He argued that excessive party loyalty divides the nation, distracts public councils, and enfeebles the government.
#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-01-29 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Washington was the only unaffiliated president we had.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-29 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, the author isn't talking about "normal" Trump voters or "normal" GOPyer voters.

The author is talking about anybody who voted for Trump who regrets their vote, which is currently a lot of people who normally vote for the Republican Party.

These same people will vote for whoever the Republican candidate is in 2028, especially if it's Trump.

Expressing frustration that Trump's policies are affecting them isn't going to change who they decide to vote for, because Republican policies always adversely affect poor people, and yet every election they go back for more.

Eberly's right, these people won't learn anything.

And as for "moderates", like KXRW, they're still blaming Democrats. They're still worried they'll wake up as the opposite gender should democrats win.

Red states are gonna remain red, blue states are gonna remain blue, swing states are gonna be turning red thanks to efforts of MAGA Republicans and their billionaire owners.

Well, Biden spent four years singing Kumbaya and hoping for bipartisanship, Republicans figured out how to dismantle American democracy and take control of this country.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 03:49 PM | Reply

#35 Clown says: "The author is talking about anybody who voted for Trump who regrets their vote, which is currently a lot of people who normally vote for the Republican Party."

100% correct.

But the author goes on to say, about anybody who voted for Trump who regrets their vote:

In fact, I would argue that the ones who regret it now should've known better and are therefore more guilty for manifesting such a colossal disaster.
The author says no "Kumbaya" for them; they deserve even moreridicule.

#36 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 03:54 PM | Reply

A Democratic president did not nominate,

Well then they failed.

Obama failed to secure a Supreme Court justice.

Obama also failed to prevent Trump from becoming the Republican primary candidate. Especially considering we now know how much information was available about Putin's connection to Trump.

The DNC failed by nominating Hillary when it was obvious the Republican Party had a strategy on how to defeat her.

The DNC also failed again when Biden was in office to hold Trump accountable for inciting the insurrection, or any of Republicans in Congress, who incited the insurrection and signed an oath saying they will not recognize Biden as president of the United States, guilty of treason to the United States.

Then the DNC failed when they threw Harris at America four months before the election.

Democrats have failed America.

And currently they're doing nothing more than writing strongly, worded letters of disapproval while voting to fund ICE.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 03:56 PM | Reply

#37 Clown, there's a singular fact I would appreciate a straightforward, no caveat answer:

FACT: In this upcoming election, in November 2026, the results are going to be either...

  1. A continuation of a GOP majority led by Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson; or
  2. The Democrats gain the majority and (maybe) Jeffries will become Speaker
Which one do you want: 1 or 2?

#38 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 04:00 PM | Reply

The problem with the both sides thing is that given an opportunity to vote for a good public financing bill, most Dems would vote for it, most GOPhers not so much.

As it is now, if they don't take the big money they can't by big media so they can't get elected.

It's the law that needs to change in favor of the People, not the Elites.

Here's some ideas, and some that already werk:

www.google.com

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-29 04:03 PM | Reply

#39 Thanks, Corky.

#40 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem with the both sides thing is that given an opportunity to vote for a good public financing bill, most Dems would vote for it, most GOPhers not so much.
As it is now, if they don't take the big money they can't by big media so they can't get elected.
It's the law that needs to change in favor of the People, not the Elites.
Here's some ideas, and some that already werk:
www.google.com

Posted by Corky at 2026-01-29 04:03 PM | Reply

You're so full of BS it's not even funny. If you want to get big money out of elections then you need to lead by example. You can't say you're against big money at the same time as you are taking big money donations. Nobody is going to believe you if you do that.

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-01-29 04:12 PM | Reply

-And as for "moderates", like KXRW, they're still blaming Democrats. They're still worried they'll wake up as the opposite gender should democrats win.

speaking for myself, I'm surrounded by Trumpers who still blame democrats for everything.

They might very well regret a Trump vote but that's likely to remain private and they under no circumstances are going to accept an olive branch in a manner suggested by the author. He's contemplating not offering said olive branch to folks who couldn't give a ---- less if he offered it anyway.

Regret or not....they aren't interested in being forgiven by the left.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 04:24 PM | Reply

Good. Because Lincoln was wrong. We should have burned the south to the ground and slaughtered every single one of those traitorus dogs. We won't make the same mistake this time.

#43 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-01-29 04:29 PM | Reply

I would appreciate a straightforward, no caveat answer:

2

Ideally with a better candidate as Speaker.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 04:29 PM | Reply

We should have burned the south to the ground

The lack of repercussions and consequences for confederates will always be reason why America still so deeply rooted in racism, especially in the south.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 04:31 PM | Reply

You can't say you're against big money at the same time as you are taking big money donations. Nobody is going to believe you if you do that.
#41 | Posted by LauraMohr

If Eberly can be a Republican and be against what Republicans are doing, I don't see the problem with Corky being a Democrat and being against what Democrats are doing.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We should have burned the south to the ground"

We kinda did?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 04:32 PM | Reply

"The lack of repercussions and consequences for confederates will always be reason why America still so deeply rooted in racism"

Racism was bipartisan back then.

Republicans merely opposed slavery. They didn't support equality.

The notion that blacks should have equal rights was extremely radical and unpopular even after the Civil War. It's like a Republican of today saying Trans people should be accepted as equals.

So you can't blame it all on the South.

The blame rests with Whites. On Both Sides, even.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 04:38 PM | Reply

The notion that blacks should have equal rights was extremely radical and unpopular even after the Civil War

Is it a fantasy to claim America is racist? Does it make you feel superior or something?

Because your statement certainly doesn't match the reality.

The 14th Amendment was passed on July 9, 1868, close to two years after the war.

Following states ratified it ...

Connecticut: June 30, 1866
New Hampshire: July 6, 1866
Tennessee: July 19, 1866
New Jersey: September 11, 1866 (rescinded ratification February 20, 1868/March 24, 1868; re-ratified April 23, 2003)
Oregon: September 19, 1866 (rescinded ratification October 16, 1868; re-ratified April 25, 1973)
Vermont: October 30, 1866
New York: January 10, 1867
Ohio: January 11, 1867 (rescinded ratification January 13, 1868; re-ratified March 12, 2003)
Illinois: January 15, 1867
West Virginia: January 16, 1867
Michigan: January 16, 1867
Minnesota: January 16, 1867
Kansas: January 17, 1867
Maine: January 19, 1867
Nevada: January 22, 1867
Indiana: January 23, 1867
Missouri: January 25, 1867
Pennsylvania: February 6, 1867
Rhode Island: February 7, 1867
Wisconsin: February 13, 1867
Massachusetts: March 20, 1867
Nebraska: June 15, 1867
Iowa: March 16, 1868
Arkansas: April 6, 1868
Florida: June 9, 1868
North Carolina: July 4, 1868 (after rejection December 14, 1866)
Louisiana: July 9, 1868 (after rejection February 6, 1867)
South Carolina: July 9, 1868

#49 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-29 04:52 PM | Reply

#42 Thanks, Clown.

We're on the same page.

And, agreed; I am underwhelmed with Jeffries.

Now, do yourself a favor - and the Democrats you say you want to win in November, 2026 - a favor:

Stop with your incessant damning of the Democratic Party, elected Democrats, the DNC, Democratic presidents, and everything else that is actually working towards our mutual goal: 2. The Democrats gain the majority and (maybe) Jeffries will become Speaker.

Anything contrary to that advice is only giving aid and comfort to the Republican Party and its candidates ("See? Even Democrats can't stand Democrats. Hahahaha.").

If you are truly interested in changing the Democratic Party (and you are spot-on target with many of your criticisms), then there are definite concrete steps that even individuals can take.

But, remember, the GOP has been on their current jag since the Lewis Powell memorandum to the US Chamber of Commerce in August, 1971, and just look at how they have stayed the course laid out in that document for over 55 years, and have succeeded much further than even Powell envisioned.

Changing the Democratic Party should, hopefully, not take a half-century, but it does require that those of us who support the same ideals at least fight in the same direction.

Only overwhelming political power can make a difference**, and there are many, many new, young, up-and-rising Democrats who can help the movement that you and I support. The first step is to get them elected at the local, state and national level.

I've said it before, and I'll repeat it again: Never fear the next generation; at one time we were all the next generation.

** And sorry, Ms. Laura, but in this case it is you who are full of BS. To think that Democrats should eschew the current rules and refuse money (from whatever source), is the height of naivete. The GOP opponents will simply use their unlimited coffers to define the weak, naive Democratic candidate (and laugh and laugh), politically aware political watchers will laugh along with the Republicans, and the rest of the voters will have no other idea of who/what the Democratic candidate is except for what his/her Republican rival says. And such voters usually make their selection in the last few weeks leading up to the election. And they are not going to be impressed with a naive candidate who they may not have even heard of - because he/she had no money to advertise.

No, if you really want to get unlimited money out of politics, your idea of "leading by example," will lead straight to defeat.

But, if you really want to get unlimited, anonymous money out of politics, then there must be overwhelming political power to force a repeal of Citizens United, and pass truly effective campaign/money reform. THAT is leading by example. Oh, and that's not going to happen under Republican rule.

#50 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 05:01 PM | Reply

#41

What happens then is you vote for someone who can't win, you know like a Jill Stein.

One thing most MAGA voters DID understand was that DJT was going to govern (see RULE) a lot more radical right than he pretended, by lying outrageously for the sake of low info swing voters.

Dems may have to one day grok that a candidate that comes out strongly for everything they want isn't likely to win in the Electoral College without swing voters.

SO, when a Dem winks at you but doesn't say out too loud they want public financing, healthcare, and higher edumacation on Day One... you might have to take a chance that the candidate isn't showing all her or his cards, and will once elected work for progressive, if not perfectly smell good Liberal policies.

Because the Dem candidate is never going to be as bold an evil liar as a DJT or a Shady VP to win swing voters, so may have to depend on you to vote your best interests a the time rather than your Dream Scenario.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-29 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Stop with your incessant damning of the Democratic Party, elected Democrats, the DNC, Democratic presidents, and everything else that is actually working towards our mutual goal

Why? When he's bashing elected officials is he lying? You think elected democrats should be exempt from criticism?

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 05:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#52 Eb, you seem to be in an out-of-context mood today.

But go ahead and cherry pick one sentence out of a post and straw away.

#53 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 05:17 PM | Reply

53

LOL....you're simply retorting with "out of context" to avoid answering the question.

It's a fair question and you know it which is why you're deflecting.

What? did you not consider that when chastising Clown for daring to question elected democrats when they behave poorly?

I get the pragmatism of voting to win but scrutiny of elected officials? Sorry........not caving on that one. And I doubt Clown is either.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 05:42 PM | Reply

"And, agreed; I am underwhelmed with Jeffries."

Almost Fetterman levels of disappoint from that guy.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-29 05:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#54 I see you are being obstinate as well as cherry picking.

Oh, and lying by omission is still lying:

Stop with your incessant damning of the Democratic Party, elected Democrats, the DNC, Democratic presidents, and everything else that is actually working towards our mutual goal: 2. The Democrats gain the majority and (maybe) Jeffries will become Speaker.

Anything contrary to that advice is only giving aid and comfort to the Republican Party and its candidates ("See? Even Democrats can't stand Democrats. Hahahaha.").

And...
If you are truly interested in changing the Democratic Party (and you are spot-on target with many of your criticisms), then there are definite concrete steps that even individuals can take.
Yep.

Cherry picking - while ignoring the entire context of my post, and lying by omission (ignoring the part about why: Anything contrary to that advice is only giving aid and comfort to the Republican Party and its candidates) is the very definition of out-of-context and lying.

Care to double-down?

#56 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 05:51 PM | Reply

#55

Is it going to be the same for Newsome?

I haven't lived in CA since the 80's, and it was basically already taken back then... so I don't know much about him, really.

And did I really see the other day that K. Harris might run again?

What, are we paupers politically?

Talarico should run. An Anti-Corruption Campaign looks pretty good right now.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-29 05:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#57 If Kamala Harris runs in 2028, her loss in 2024 will seem like a walk-in-the-park in comparison to her devastating defeats in Democratic primary after primary in early 2028.

#58 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 05:55 PM | Reply

"ignoring the entire context of my post, and lying by omission"

you crack me up. It's how you respond to everything you refuse to answer.

and you have the to call someone else Obstinate.

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 05:58 PM | Reply

#59 Just what have I refused to answer, Eb?

#60 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 06:00 PM | Reply

I asked 3 in #52.

Gotta go........

#61 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 06:03 PM | Reply

#52 Why?

MY PREVIOUS ANSWER:

Stop with your incessant damning of the Democratic Party, elected Democrats, the DNC, Democratic presidents, and everything else that is actually working towards our mutual goal: 2. The Democrats gain the majority and (maybe) Jeffries will become Speaker.

Anything contrary to that advice is only giving aid and comfort to the Republican Party and its candidates ("See? Even Democrats can't stand Democrats. Hahahaha.").

When he's bashing elected officials is he lying?

MY PREVIOUS ANSWER:

("and you are spot-on target with many of your criticisms)
You think elected democrats should be exempt from criticism?

MY PREVIOUS ANSWER:

(ignoring the part about why: Anything contrary to that advice is only giving aid and comfort to the Republican Party and its candidates)
You see, I answered your questions.

You were the last person I would have suspected to be incapable of understand the English language, but here we are.

Was I too nuanced for you?

Or are you just in favor of internecine warfare... so long as it helps to defeat Democrats? **

** See: There's another answer to your "why," Eb.

#62 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 06:15 PM | Reply

Stop with your incessant damning of the Democratic Party, elected Democrats, the DNC, Democratic presidents, and everything else that is actually working towards our mutual goal

I apologize. But I can and will never do that.

I will vote for whoever is running on the democratic ticket for President in order to get Trump (or whoever his successor is) out of there.

But prior to Trump I was mainly a 3rd party voter.

Doesn't matter anyway.

I live in a solid democratic city in a solid democratic state.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 06:26 PM | Reply

#63 Then you're not really interested in what I thought was our mutual goal: 2. The Democrats gain the majority and (maybe) Jeffries will become Speaker.

Clown, as I said earlier, you are spot-on in many of your criticisms.

But, at this politically perilous time, now is not the time to engage in internecine warfare because Democrats aren't perfect. Now is not the time to lambast people who would naturally count you as an ally.

Anything and everything taking away from what I thought was our mutual goal: 2. The Democrats gain the majority and (maybe) Jeffries will become Speaker. only helps the Republicans.

I am sorry that you cannot see that as clearly as I can - and as others can see - so your often times, over-the-top internecine warfare will continue, unabated.

Noted.

But, like others I have crossed on this very topic - internecine warfare - you seem more interested in demanding purity over power, and airing as much dirty Democratic laundry as you can, and to what end I have no idea.

If you were truly interested in changing the Democratic Party, there are effective and proven ways of doing so, as an individual and as a member of a team dedicated to the same goals.

But, you are uninterested in doing that and, again, to what end I have no idea.

So, again, noted, Clown ... with a deep sense of sorrow on my part. I have always admired you, and felt that we were fighting the good fight, together.

I was wrong.

#64 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-29 06:42 PM | Reply

Is it going to be the same for Newsome?

Newsom will run for President.

He's been campaigning since 2024.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 07:33 PM | Reply

#64 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND

I guess that's the difference between republicans and democrats.

Republicans are a hive minded cult whereas Democrats tend to be people who think for themselves.

Unfortunately that also means we will have criticisms of Democrats.

My whole life democrats, Bill Clinton onward, have fought for corporate America at the expense of working class Americans.

Clinton and Obama were great for corporate America. BushJr and Trump were great for the wealthiest of Americans.

None of them have done anything for working class Americans.

Democrats could adopt populist policies like healthcare and raising taxes on the wealthy, but they're not fighting for Americans. They're fighting to corporate America.

Americans are tired of Clinton Democrats.

We want Bernie and Mamdani and AOC and are eager to fight for people who will put Americans ahead of the elite.

Those people aren't Schumer and Jeffries.

Those sellouts are the reason why the DNC is done.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm sure Clownshack's is weeping now that he knows aA_friend is disappointed in him.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-29 07:45 PM | Reply

I appreciate conversing with A Friend.

It's a real discussion.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 07:47 PM | Reply

" We want Bernie and Mamdani and AOC and are eager to fight for people who will put Americans ahead of the elite"

They are too radical left to win over independents in a national election.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-29 07:47 PM | Reply

" I appreciate conversing with A Friend.

It's a real discussion.

#68 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2026-01-29 07:47 PM | FLAG: "

He's only polite to you because he views you as a teammate. If he stops viewing you that way his demeanor toward you will turn on a dime.

#70 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-29 07:50 PM | Reply

Bell, whom I also assume is Jeff,

I've been here long enough to have disagreed with everyone at one time or another.

You and I use to agree more when Obama was president, mostly because I was willing to be critical of Obama.

But ever since Trump's first term you're literally unable to find fault with anything he does. It's absolutely insane.

The man destroyed the White House. Sent $40 BILLION to the president of Argentina. Has $200 million (that we know of) in a Qatari bank - that he controls. He's using ICE as his personal militia to attack Minnesota. He's spending billions to fund ICE. He cut his own taxes so he's not contributing to any of this. He announces tariffs and cancels them, manipulating the stock market, for personal gain. He destroyed all trade relations. Has destroyed relations with Canada and Europe.

And that's just off the top of my head.

There a new disaster everyday. Every day.

It's ------- exhausting.

Yet you're as happy as a pig in shht.

It's unbelievable. It's unfortunate. It's absurd.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 08:08 PM | Reply

If nothing else, the value of the dollar has reduced 15% in his first year.

That's real.

That actually affects us.

#72 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 08:14 PM | Reply

"with a deep sense of sorrow on my part. I have always admired you, and felt that we were fighting the good fight, together.

I was wrong."

What a drama queen

And a little creepy. I'd rather you call him a ---- swallower or something.

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 08:37 PM | Reply

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

And yet, you keep voting for the DNC candidate because the RNC candidate is worse... STFU Willis. Go put a steak on your mom's eye.

#74 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-01-29 08:54 PM | Reply

What a drama queen

And a little creepy. I'd rather you call him a ---- swallower or something.

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-29 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

---- gobblers gonna gobble.

#75 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-01-29 08:56 PM | Reply

Luvsorangeturds lives to suck his sister's blood off of his dad's -----.

#76 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2026-01-29 09:03 PM | Reply

Americans are tired of Clinton Democrats.
We want Bernie and Mamdani and AOC and are eager to fight for people who will put Americans ahead of the elite.
Those people aren't Schumer and Jeffries.
Those sellouts are the reason why the DNC is done.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 07:45 PM | Reply | Flag: See Results of Tuesday 5 Nov 2024 Election for More Info

#77 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-01-29 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" And yet, you keep voting for the DNC candidate because the RNC candidate is worse... STFU Willis. Go put a steak on your mom's eye.

#74 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2026-01-29 08:54 PM | FLAG: "

A pork chop would be better.

#78 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-29 09:46 PM | Reply

... you keep voting for the DNC candidate because the RNC candidate is worse...

Your point is?

#79 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-29 10:58 PM | Reply

I will forgive the ones that regret voting for that P.O.S. and are trying to stop him.

As for the the ones that still support him, to me they are black listed, shunned and not worth trying to save. I have ghosted many.

#80 | Posted by bat4255 at 2026-01-30 08:50 AM | Reply

Because the Dem candidate is never going to be as bold an evil liar as a DJT or a Shady VP to win swing voters

DJT never lied to anyone.

He told swing voters he was going to do something about illegal immigration. He did. That's a powerful argument.

Put that up against politicians on both sides who have done NOTHING for decades. Now you see why people silently vote for Trump.

There are many other things Trump has done that he said he was going to do. No matter how crazy you think he is, that goes a long way with the electorate come voting time.

#81 | Posted by boaz at 2026-01-30 09:19 AM | Reply

"And as for "moderates", like KXRW, they're still blaming Democrats. They're still worried they'll wake up as the opposite gender should democrats win."

What the F are you trying to sell here?

#82 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2026-01-30 09:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

DJT never lied to anyone.

#81 | Posted by boaz

Donald Trump is the Father of Lies.

#83 | Posted by Zed at 2026-01-30 09:29 AM | Reply

No matter how crazy you think he (Trump) is

#81 | Posted by boaz

The problem is, BOAZ, that you don't think that the man is crazy at all.

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2026-01-30 09:30 AM | Reply

No matter how (maga) crazy you think he is, that goes a long way with the electorate maga crazies come voting time.

#81 | POSTED BY BOAZ

FTFY

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-01-30 10:49 AM | Reply

Bo@ss is the stupidest fuck alive.

#86 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-01-30 10:55 AM | Reply

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