Friday, September 12, 2025

Suspect Arrested in Kirk Assassination

Officials have identified the person accused of fatally shooting conservative activist Charlie Kirk as 22-year-old Utah resident Tyler Robinson. Utah Governor Spencer Cox said at a press conference on Friday morning that investigators arrested and identified Robinson after analyzing surveillance footage, interviewing Robinson's family members and reviewing online messages between Robinson and his roommate.

Posted by lee_the_agent at 11:21 AM | 355 COMMENTS | permalink

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They better hope he doesn't get Rubied.

#1 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 09:31 AM

Good.

Hopefully everyone can take a chill pill and a deep breath.

#2 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-09-12 09:34 AM

Hopefully everyone can take a chill pill and a deep breath.

#2 | Posted by horstngraben

That depends on what Trump does with it.

So far, he can't be accused of having a smooth reaction.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-12 09:40 AM

Is it really the shooter?

Or a patsy?

Askin' for a Friend.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-12 09:48 AM

Is it really the shooter?

His own father thinks so.

#5 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-09-12 09:52 AM

Son of a Utah cop. Betcha he didn't vote for Kamala.

#6 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 10:02 AM

How would he know?

If the photo isn't the shooter the father. Is just as clueless as anyone else.

The photo is not necessarily the shooter, Duh?

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-12 10:04 AM

The photo is not necessarily the shooter, Duh?

Yes it is.

Anyway, I'm not here to stop you from spiraling into conspiracy theories that get more convoluted as contrary facts become apparent.

In fact, I think it's funny.

So, carry on!

#8 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-09-12 10:38 AM

So will all those people who were adamant it was a pink haired trans "leftist" retract their statements and STFU until we find out the kid's real motivations?

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 10:39 AM

#9 these stupid f^*%s are addicted to bias and uncritical opinions.

STFU moron. Go skulk around the jobs numbers thread.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 10:39 AM

---- off ScottS. Just ---- off.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-12 10:40 AM

"Classic case of mentally ill liberal."

From a classic case of jumping to judgement from a mentally ill maga moron.

The shooter was apparently a gun enthusiast and the son of a Mormon cop in majority Mormon State. Kinda screws up your hateful and retarded "radical leftist" narrative just a wee bit.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-12 10:53 AM

#15 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

Them voices in your head are strong today.

"Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!"

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-12 11:08 AM

A White man murdered a White man at one of the Whitest colleges in America in one of the Whitest states in the nation.

What will we do about White on White killings?

White people killing White people is the most common type of murder in the United States.

What can be done about out of control Whites?

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 11:09 AM

24/7 hate spewed on liberal media.
#15 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

Which liberal media outlets do you listen to?

I need a new source for liberal media.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 11:11 AM

#13 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

No, you heard a disputed report from a single source that was rapidly disseminated by an uncritical media farming clicks.

And you, being the stupid pile of s%^* you are, swallowed it whole since it tickled your confirmation bias.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 11:11 AM

-What will we do about White on White killings?

same thing we do about all the other killings

pretend to give a ----....point fingers...and then move on.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 11:12 AM

you heard a disputed report from a single source

You're gonna try to have a rational conversation with that troll?

Do yourself a favor and just mock and deride him.

It's a lot more satisfying.

That idiot has never posted anything worth responding to.

Just anger and stupidity.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 11:13 AM

pretend to give a ----....point fingers...and then move on.
#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I have to pretend to give a shht about Charlie Kirk?

Man, that's asking a lot.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 11:14 AM

-Which liberal media outlets do you listen to?

I spend some time on a political blog that occupied by a couple dozen or so of the most hard core extreme leftists who spew hate and anger 24/7 on the place.

That certainly doesn't count as a media outlet because it's read by about a couple dozen people at once.

But there are several very very very very unhinged ------------ on that place.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 11:15 AM

"swallowed it whole since it tickled your confirmation bias."

That should be a flag here.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 11:16 AM

You know who no one gave a shht about?

Those dead kids in Denver.

The media was too busy with wall to wall coverage of the death of that hate monger to care.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 11:17 AM

22

Be it good or bad.....you're authentic. You're not capable of pretending.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 11:17 AM

I spend some time on a political blog that occupied by a couple dozen or so of the most hard core extreme leftists who spew hate and anger 24/7 on the place.

Kinky.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 11:18 AM

"Just anger and stupidity."

another flag potential

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 11:18 AM

#23 Like you, liar.

Unhinged but pretending to be Oh so Reasonable.

You are a troll. Worse, you Suck at it..

Keep practicing, you might improve with time.

Somehow, I doubt it.

#29 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-12 11:20 AM

Femininetrumpvoter has a beef with me.

no clue what it is.

but she can keep siffing my --- if it floats her boat

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 11:25 AM

MAGAts: "He's obviously a Democrat!"

Suspect gets arrested: Not registered with a party and has never voted

#31 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 11:28 AM

But there are several very very very very unhinged ------------ on that place.
#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I think I have been to that site. Is that the one where this one dude who trolls everyone and pretends he doesn't support Trumpy but always seems to support and attempt to justify Trumpy's hateful policies? And when things get heated then he starts swinging his purse around and hurls insults at anyone who he disagrees with?

Yeah.. I think they call him Beverly because he acts like a Karen. Pretty funny stuff. Very entertaining on a rainy day.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-12 11:29 AM

It looks like the authorities are overstating their role in capturing this suspect. His minister recognized him from the photos and told his father, who detained him until police arrived.

Given how much the shooter did to carry out the shooting and then escape, I didn't expect he'd have evidence to find on Discord that a roommate knew about. Or that he'd wear gray Converse sneakers during the crime and in personal photos on social media.

But criminals almost always do dumb things and the fact any part of their plan actually succeeded is usually a fluke.

Enjoy the rest of your life being ruined, dude.

#33 | Posted by rcade at 2025-09-12 11:30 AM

Odd. None of the usual righty suspects on here...

Maybe because it turned out he wasn't a Democrat?

#34 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 11:31 AM

My Beef is that you Suck.

Lying nonstop and being so self righteous when you are just a Trump apologist with a deceitful indirect way of excusing bad behavior and criminality.

All while pretending to be So Reasonable.

Like a Fifth Column infiltration.

I think you are MAGA to the core.

Liar.

#35 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-12 11:33 AM

35

some day, when you grow up.....you and I can argue an actual issue.

You can't even remotely do that at this point in your very very young life, apparently.

come to me with an issue where we each want to and can take different sides......and let's have at it.

I'll wait......

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 11:37 AM

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-12 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag: unhinged MF

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 11:38 AM

You're not "Reasonable " ------------.

You only play at being Reasonable. Unsuccessfully .

Snoofy is more Reasonable by far.

Donnerboy is eminently Reasonable.

Clownshack is not a liar, he makes consistent points about everything.

But you play both sides and argue like you're so much more genuine and credible than everyone else.

You're Not.

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-12 11:45 AM

A patriot needs to bail him out.

~ Charlie Kirk ~

#39 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-09-12 11:46 AM

Hmm:

Parody Keir Starmer
@parodypm.bsky.social

As expected, Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson, was a black trans muslim Democrat... oh, hang on... sorry - he was the son of white Christian Republican parents in Utah and was taught to use guns from an early age. What a ------- surprise.

Reverend Aiden

Tyler Robinson, Kirk's shooter, was a straight white dude raised in an extremely religious family by a devout Mormon sheriff. Spent his whole life groomed by MAGA "family values," taught to shoot from the second he could hold a gun.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 11:49 AM

BTW, I know Scots was saying the shooter was gay, but do we have any proof of that? Everything I'm reading is saying he is straight.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 11:52 AM

Another whitey weirdo that can't laid, can't keep a job, and lives in his mom's basement. This country is full of ticking time-bombs.

#42 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 11:53 AM

Utah Governor Spencer Cox revealed a member of the suspect's family told investigators that Tyler Robinson had become "more political" in recent years.

He said a family member recalled a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner before September 10 and mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to Utah Valley University. The suspect talked about why he "didn't like him and the viewpoints he had".

Robinson had told a family member that "Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate", according to Cox.

Mr Cox said there were three unfired casings:

One read, "hey fascist! catch!" with an up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols.
Another one read: "oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao," Cox said.
The third fired casing read: "if you read this you are gay lmao."
Fired case said: " "notices bulges OWO what's this?""

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 11:56 AM

I'm way out of my depth here. Anyone?:

Mueller, She Wrote
@muellershewrote.com

Everyone is focusing on "Catch this, fascist", and Ciao Bella being an anti-fascist song and reading that as literal. But these are both used in the video game Helldivers2 - which is a parody of authoritarianism. "Catch this, fascist" is satirical anti-fascism. 1/ [see images at link]

The notices bulge meme is used to troll role players online. 2/ [image at link]

I'm by no means an expert but this all sounds like red pill Musk type ----. That the system is the target- and they were hoping Trump would break that cycle but he ended up being part of it. END/

bsky.app

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 11:57 AM

up right down down down is Helldivers 2, 500kg bomb strategem, a video game thing so popular people get the game pad arrows tattooed.

It's a satire of fascism branding itself as Managed Democracy. That's the joke, you're the bad guys.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 11:57 AM

It's also a phenomenal game as far as third/first person shooter coop video games go.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 11:58 AM

And apparently he's never voted.

He's a highly intelligent scholarship winner who also apparently has emotional problems; acting out against what he saw as an evil person.

Sad.

I mentioned the Angel Moroni yesterday as a reference to the distinct possibility of a local shooter in Utah being a Mormon.

And his father a cop?

Kid is making it hard for all the usual suspects to spout all the usual Rwing memes.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 11:59 AM

'Robinson had told a family member that "Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate"'

No one can argue against that.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-12 12:03 PM

38

I know I'm very very important to you.

But you're getting beyond creepy at this point.

5 years after I'm dead, I'll be up 50 IQ points on you.

And you know it.

That's the source of your rage and hatred towards me.

Not that you disagree with me.

Hell, I'm not sure you can even manufacture an issue I'm wrong about.

Disagreement is awesome, BTW.

You should embrace it rather than piss and moan about it.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 12:05 PM

-I know Scots was saying the shooter was gay, but do we have any proof of that?

What's pretty sad is that so many of us care greatly about that.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 12:07 PM

-Snoofy is more Reasonable by far.

where is he, BTW?

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 12:08 PM

But enough about Charlie:

Aaron Rupar
@atrupar.com

Q: My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up?

TRUMP: I think very good. And by the way, right there you see all the trucks. They just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get for about 150 years.

bsky.app

BTW, 150 years ago a ballroom might have been appropriate. Maybe even 100 years ago.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:10 PM

A say this as a pasty white guy ...

A white guy with a gun killed someone? Go figure!

#53 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-09-12 12:14 PM

-They just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House

The engineering firm my daughter works for is doing some of the work for that ballroom.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 12:14 PM

#52

Trump is a classic narcissist; everything is about him.

Actually he's a Dark Triad personality.

www.google.com

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 12:14 PM

Snoofy is more Reasonable by far.
where is he, BTW?

Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 12:08 PM | Reply

On a Three week vacation.

#56 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-12 12:16 PM

what's a groyper?:

Art Candee
@artcandee.bsky.social
MAGA has a groyper problem and they can't cope.

[image of shooter in Pepe costume at link]

bsky.app

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:17 PM

"AI Overview

+
The 'Dark Triad' of personality. Though personality consists ...

The Dark Triad is a personality concept describing three overlapping yet distinct subclinical traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.

Narcissism involves grandiosity and self-focus, Machiavellianism centers on manipulation and deception for personal gain, and psychopathy features impulsivity, a lack of empathy, and antisocial behavior.

These traits are associated with antisocial behavior, disregard for others, and a focus on self-interest, often leading to negative social consequences."

Trump's picture should be next to the definition.

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 12:18 PM

56

holy crap. how did he do that?

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 12:19 PM

Oh, now I'm beginning to understand:

Elizabeth Cronise McLaughlin
@ecmclaughlin.bsky.social

Nick Fuentes is the founder of the Groyper movement and the shooter posed as a prominent Groyper meme.

Robert Downen
@robertdownen.bsky.social

Since some people are confused in the comments: 7-8 years ago, Nick Fuentes et al declared war on Charlie Kirk, their stand-in for all their hate. Theyd go to TPUSA events and press him from the right on immigration, Israel, "anti-white" etc, though without going mask-off on their own views...

bsky.app

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:21 PM

On a Three week vacation.

#56 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2025-09-12 12:16 PM | REPLY

that tends to happen when you go after the sysop and call him an -------. and accuse him of allowing hate to be posted here.

i recall posting "see ya later"

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-12 12:22 PM

Wow, it's looking like the shooter could be a follower of Nazi Nick Fluentes and to the right of Kirk, which is why he hated him?

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:23 PM

David Neiwert
@davidneiwert.bsky.social

Just a gentle reminder that white-nationalist "Groypers" like Troy Robinson have long plagued Charlie Kirk's operations because he wasn't racist, homophobic or antisemitic enough

Alt-right trolls make life miserable for Charlie Kirk and his Turning Point USA 'Culture War' tour

www.dailykos.com

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:28 PM

Yep, Republicans know he is one of theirs:

Razzball
@razzball.bsky.social

guys, we have a tone shift

bsky.app

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:29 PM

Trump had Nick Fuentes at the white house for dinner. now one of his followers killed charlie kirk for not being racist enough.

this is where we are.

#65 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-12 12:31 PM

The school shooter in Colorado is a rightwinger just like Robinson.

coloradosun.com

#66 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-09-12 12:34 PM

Charlie Kirk killed because he wasn't Fascist enough?

A purely Trump World phenomenon.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 12:36 PM

"because he wasn't racist, homophobic or antisemitic enough"

based on what I've read here the past 2 days, I didn't think that was possible.

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 12:37 PM

He had HD2 stuff inscribed on a bullet cartridge. HD2 is Anti-Fascist satire.

#69 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 12:42 PM

He had HD2 stuff inscribed on a bullet cartridge. HD2 is Anti-Fascist satire.
#69 | Posted by sitzkrieg

What do you make of the shooter doing that?

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:44 PM

"HD2 is Anti-Fascist satire."

Sucksoftly jacks off to it every day

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 12:44 PM

Wajahat Ali
@wajali.bsky.social

We are learning more about the shooter and his motives, but what happens if he was influenced and radicalized online by Nick Fuentes and the Groyper army?

What will Trump and MAGA say and do?

After all, Trump dined with Fuentes.

Lets see...

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:45 PM

-What will Trump and MAGA say and do?

they'll shut up and throw this guy's name onto a pile of other names of shooters who leaned right.

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 12:49 PM

Trump had Nick Fuentes at the white house for dinner. now one of his followers killed charlie kirk for not being racist enough.
this is where we are.
#65 | Posted by Alexandrite

Folks are considering that possibility on Bluesky, but more info is needed. What's in his online accounts?

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:51 PM

What do you make of the shooter doing that?

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I play the game. The meme and arrows are the code for the 500kg bomb strategem, you toss it at stuff and it explodes very cinematically.

It depends if he "got the joke" or not. If he understood the satire, the narrative you get is "radicalized in college". If he did not get the joke, that's to the right.

#75 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 12:51 PM

The uwu reference throws it way to the closeted femboy left.

#76 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 12:52 PM

What will Trump and MAGA say and do?

The decomposing-------------------'s deplorables will continue to phone in bomb threats to HBCUs.

#77 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-09-12 12:53 PM

Maybe he's like some of the previous shooters--not really left or right but some chaotic, nihilistic mix of hatred.

#78 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 12:54 PM

The helldiver's engraving started with "Hey fascist"

He got the joke. It's anti-fascist ideology engraved on a bullet at a political assassination.

#79 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 12:56 PM

Going to the term in the other thread, semiotics. The science of symbols and signs, etc.

Engraving starting off with Hey fascists, referencing a video game that is anti-fascist satire. It's all about spectacle, the 500kg is very cinematic and effective.

oh bella ciao bella cia bella cia cia cia is a lyric from Bella Ciao, a song sung by WW2 anti-fascist italian partisans and is recognized globally as an anti-fascist anthem.

notices bulges OWO what's this? (the fired casing) is a furry, anime roleplay meme.

"if you read this you are gay lmao." that signifies irony poisoning, turning murder into trolling.

Engraving the casing is myth-making, uncommon, but ensures people know the intent behind it and demanding interpretation.

#80 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 01:02 PM


Trump had Nick Fuentes at the white house for dinner. now one of his followers killed charlie kirk for not being racist enough.
this is where we are.
#65 | Posted by Alexandrite

Its where you are; lying.

This is false, he went off to University, sounds like he got involved with some Discord people/chat, where they called him a "facist".

Logically it makes no sense.


Folks are considering that possibility on Bluesky, but more info is needed. What's in his online accounts?
#74 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Of course they are, it couldn't possibly be toxic the university atmosphere.

The uwu reference throws it way to the closeted femboy left.

Thought it was OwO?

#81 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-12 01:02 PM

Some alt-right trolls who follow Nick Fuentes called people "fascists" they opposed, including Charlie Kirk.

Maybe he's like some of the previous shooters--not really left or right but some chaotic, nihilistic mix of hatred.

I think this is the likeliest scenario. The toxic online world produces some profoundly alienated young men who want to destroy just for the lulz.

#82 | Posted by rcade at 2025-09-12 01:03 PM

So yeah, antifa political terrorist fueled on furry memes that plays Helldivers, from what I understand to be stereotypically oppressive religious upbringings for Mormon kids.

#83 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 01:03 PM

#49 I don't hate you.

I hate people who pretend to be one thing while really being something else.

Especially if they are loudly virtue signaling about the lying aspect.

You're two for two.

#84 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-12 01:03 PM

Thought it was OwO?

#81 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-12 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

UwU/OwO, same culture, same intent, over the top anime cuteness, sexual innuendo, parody of innocence, to show exaggerated vulnerability and/or horniness ironically.

#85 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 01:05 PM

Of course they are, it couldn't possibly be toxic the university atmosphere.

#81 | Posted by oneironaut

Idiot.

He didn't go to the university or ANY university.

He went to a damn technical college with about 1,000 students.

Why do you even post?

#86 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 01:13 PM

Oneironut accusing someone else of lying is hilarious.

#87 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-12 01:14 PM

Of course they are, it couldn't possibly be toxic the university atmosphere.

He wasn't attending a university. He got a prestigious scholarship to Utah State four years ago but left after one semester.

Universities don't produce assassins. They produce educated people.

#88 | Posted by rcade at 2025-09-12 01:22 PM

"Universities don't produce assassins. They produce educated people."

reminds me of the SNL skit where Will Ferrel played the Unibomber attending a Harvard reunion.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 01:25 PM

84

I really don't think anybody knows what you're talking about.

You don't hate me but you hate people like me and who behave like me?

whatever.

bring an issue to discuss.....until them, buzz off.

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 01:26 PM

holy crap. how did he do that?

#59 | Posted by eberly

By being a worst individual liberal than me being a conservative.

Let that sink in. I'm still posting.

#91 | Posted by boaz at 2025-09-12 01:27 PM

"it couldn't possibly be toxic the university atmosphere."

That seems to be an easy sell......that Universities are ultra liberal toxic hotbeds.

And Kirk sold that notion because of who would attend his appearances...... hilarious leftists who would make it seem as though universities are like that.

But that doesn't make the entire university atmosphere as you describe. Certainly there are enclaves of more extreme people but what's being sold is that it's mainstream.

I have 2 kids just graduate....undergrad and law school.

Both kids left leaning but barely. they would tell you that's all --------. Yes, a few professors and some people they came into contact with but it wasn't a hostile or toxic environment overall.

#92 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 01:32 PM

Askin' for a Friend.
#4 | Posted by Effeteposer

Sounds like you have extremely stupid friends.

#93 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-09-12 01:43 PM

MAGAts: "He's obviously a Democrat!"

Oh they were salivating at the thought of it being a pink haired trans with a long history of social media content that was anti-Republican and ant-Christian.

They had already applied the caricatured boogeyman to the person they knew nothing about because that's what they wanted them to be.

#94 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 01:48 PM

But that doesn't make the entire university atmosphere as you describe.
- eberly

I didn't describe anything I made a generalization on a majority of experiences.

Kids don't come out of universities with a balanced view of the world, ergo it's toxic.

I can't think of one professor I had that was right leaning. But I knew plenty that were left leaning, and you were expected to lean left yourself.

I see no evidence to the contrary except for Catholic universities.

Evergreen wasn't an abberation.

It breeds toxic people with a left normalized distribution.

#95 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-12 01:51 PM

I'm by no means an expert but this all sounds like red pill Musk type ----. That the system is the target- and they were hoping Trump would break that cycle but he ended up being part of it. END/
bsky.app

#44 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

So the start of maga folk waking up the fact that they voted for people who claimed they were different but turned out to be the same on steroids?

I keep saying that's going to be the end result of all this.

#96 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 01:52 PM

That's the joke, you're the bad guys.

#45 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

You mean in the end you, the player, find out that you've been the bad guys the whole time?

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 01:55 PM

Kids don't come out of universities with a balanced view of the world, ergo it's toxic.

95 | Posted by oneironaut

What's your education?

You can't say it's not relevant.

#98 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-12 01:59 PM

What will Trump and MAGA say and do?

they'll shut up and throw this guy's name onto a pile of other names of shooters who leaned right that they conveniently ignore.

#73 | POSTED BY EBERLY

#99 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 02:00 PM

I can't think of one professor I had that was right leaning. But I knew plenty that were left leaning, and you were expected to lean left yourself.

| Posted by oneironaut

Never once had that experience.

#100 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-12 02:01 PM

From the reporting I read his father said he'd become increasingly political over the past couple of years and brought Kirk up by name at a family dinner accusing him of spewing hate. I don't watch cable news but did stumble across a Fox clip where the host was interviewing a retired FBI profiler. This guy said that this wasn't a professional hit and that the shooter had likely become obsessed with Kirk to the point where it was the first thing on his mind when he woke up in the morning.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 02:02 PM

You mean in the end you, the player, find out that you've been the bad guys the whole time?

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is no end. It's a live service game which means there's always new content, the War for the Freedom of Super Earth never ends. It's a satire of Starship Troopers (the book, the Starship Troopers movie is also a satire of the book) and other meta like that. It's not subtle, the entire thing drips in over the top propaganda.

#102 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 02:03 PM

I don't have need if this guy will get the Mangione love fest by a similar subset of the left.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 02:04 PM

Kids don't come out of universities

95 | Posted by oneironaut

It's interesting that you call them "kids".

I've been a man since I was eighteen. I was a College Man. I had women and pigs and everything.

What were you doing ages 18 to 22? I was building a life.

#104 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-12 02:05 PM

similar subset of the left.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger

?

What did the assassin have to do with the Left?

#105 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-12 02:06 PM

Both kids left leaning but barely. they would tell you that's all --------. Yes, a few professors and some people they came into contact with but it wasn't a hostile or toxic environment overall.

#92 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Because 99% of the time it's not. That's just a bulls^*% trope from righties who pick fights, lose and play the victim.

In the ten years I spent in higher education, I had a singular instance of a professor allowing and even causing a toxic environment in a class. She was a gender studies prof and I suggested in a class discussion that there are biological differences between sexes.

#106 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 02:06 PM

#99 If they don't condemn this kid even though he's one of them it paints a Target on other public figures.

They risk Emboldening their own crazies.

Trump doesn't care when "Leftists" get killed but he cares very much when his own allies and friends start getting taken out.

Self Preservation says they will condemn this kid without limit.

He will be painted as Satan incarnate.

#107 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-12 02:08 PM

#102 propaganda towards what end?

I've never heard of it.

#108 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 02:08 PM

The Satire of Helldivers II

Tons of videos on it. It's satire in the same way Warhammer 40k is. HD2 is far more effective satire, many people don't get the 40k one because the bad guys in it are actual hell demon things.

#109 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 02:12 PM

Did you read Heinlen, his Starship Troopers book?

If no, do it.

#110 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 02:12 PM

What we now know about the shooter:

It appears he was a 4Chan Groyper possibly a Nick Fuentes follower.

He came from a wealthy conservative family.

The bullet casings are mainly 4Chan Groyper memes:
"Hey fascist! Catch!" with the arrow symbols is from a video game called Hell Divers, it calls in a huge bomb. Popular phrase with the Groyper group
"Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao" is from Hearts of Iron IV, a WWII strategy game, play as Hitler if you like. It's also often wrongly associated with Italian Anti-Fascists. Again popular with the Groyper group
"If you read this, you are gay LMAO" - not exactly something LGBTQ supporters say but again popular on 4Chan message boards
"Notices, bulges, OwO what's this?" - It's literally a 4Chan meme about investigating someone for being trans, popular in the Groyper community

He did wear a Trump costume on Halloween some time back.

He is NOT the same person who donated $200 to Trump's campaign.

TRN on the bullets is the name of the manufacturer. Kash Patel is an idiot.

The memes and Anti-Fascist stuff are directly from Nick Fuentes' groypers group. They are displayed constantly in their message boards INCLUDING calling Kirk a fascist.

Fuentes and his Groypers have repeatedly disrupted Kirk's events and called him fascist for not taking a hard enough stance on Immigration and for being Pro-Israel (Fuentes is a Holocaust denier and Groypers are insanely antisemitic). They believe Kirk is basically controlled opposition to the America First policy to steer people away from a true America First policy and that Kirk is undermining or watering down the policy.

Even the Reddit message boards and some top Republicans have gone from "The Leftists are violent and blood thirsty" to "...we should pray for this individual like Kirk would want us to."

It is highly unlikely this has anything to do with Epstein. These boards don't seem to care that much about it. ...in fact, quite the opposite since many hail from the Incel community...

#111 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 02:14 PM

So Nick Fuentes is ANTIFA ideology now? "I love Hitler" guy is anti-fascist? The fascist white nationalist is anti-fascist?

...

#112 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 02:17 PM

catching up on the thread.

The first 48ish hours are going to see this story change dramatically. The only thing I'm confident pinning on this kid is that he was emotionally 'off' and down an unhinged road.

I don't think all Universities fit the atmosphere described, however, my son is a Senior at Northwestern and absolutely describes it this way. So as with most things different schools different realities.

#113 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-09-12 02:18 PM

I don't think all Universities fit the atmosphere described, however, my son is a Senior at Northwestern and absolutely describes it this way. So as with most things different schools different realities.

#113 | Posted by kwrx25

He didn't go to a university.

He went to a one building tech school with only 1,000 students.

#114 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 02:19 PM

profoundly alienated young men who want to destroy just for the lulz.

That explains the blond lumberjack looking dude celebrating was they were carting Kirk's corpse off.

#115 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 02:21 PM

I wasn't saying he did... a few posts above there was discussion about Universities atmosphere's in general. I wasn't claiming it has anything to do with this kid.

#116 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-09-12 02:22 PM

" What did the assassin have to do with the Left?

#105 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2025-09-12 02:06 PM | REPLY"

I guess we will see. I was referencing how a subset of the left fell in love with Mangione, the guy who murdered the United healthcare CEO.

#117 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 02:23 PM

So Nick Fuentes is ANTIFA ideology now? "I love Hitler" guy is anti-fascist? The fascist white nationalist is anti-fascist?
...

#112 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Nah. They are fascists too but don't see themselves as fascist because minorities, especially Jews, are considered subhuman in the group.

The cognitive dissonance is amazing I know.

#118 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 02:23 PM

I wasn't saying he did... a few posts above there was discussion about Universities atmosphere's in general. I wasn't claiming it has anything to do with this kid.

#116 | Posted by kwrx25

That's on me. Sorry.

#119 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 02:24 PM

#119 , no worries

#120 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-09-12 02:25 PM

How can a guy named Fuentes be a white nationalist? I guess standards have dropped.

#121 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 02:29 PM

Eberly,

Your view of your children is tainted.
Not saying they would do something horrendous, but I bet they are more left leaning than you imagine, just to stay in your good graces.

If course you'll argue I am full of ----. But would also bet the father of the young man, never saw this side of him.

#122 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-12 02:32 PM

Universities don't create liberals or conservatives.

They provide you with knowledge and information.

The fact that universities are seen to have more liberals is mainly because educated people tend to be more open minded and less fearful of people who are different from them.

#123 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 02:33 PM

What we now know about the shooter:
It appears he was a 4Chan Groyper possibly a Nick Fuentes follower.
He came from a wealthy conservative family.
#111 | Posted by Sycophant

So when Loomer, Trump & family and Fox News hosts were saying about "they", they should have been saying "us"?

I wonder if the coverage about this shooter will die off as quickly as the coverage of Vance Boelter did after MAGATS realized they couldn't blame it on liberals.

#124 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-09-12 02:33 PM

Oneironut shouldn't be posting about eberlys kids. what an -------.

#125 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-12 02:35 PM

If course you'll argue I am full of ----.
#122 | POSTED BY ONESHHT

You're one of the biggest piece of shht posters on the DR.

You're full of shht, your posts reek of shht, your sources are shht, you're human excrement.

Never has a poster on the Drudge retort been so consistently wrong about everything they've posted as you.

You're a liar, a propagandist, a gaslighter, a moron.

People like you have caused America to turn into what we see today.

You're a liar and an -------.

#126 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 02:36 PM

Oneironut shouldn't be posting about eberlys kids. what an -------.
#125 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

He's an incel and a pedophile.

OneTrumper should be kept as far away from kids as possible.

#127 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 02:37 PM

I was referencing how a subset of the left fell in love with Mangione, the guy who murdered the United healthcare CEO.

#117 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You need to readjust your perspective. Considerably.

The people who "fell in love" with Luigi weren't siloed in a particular political persuasion. They were people who had experienced hardship or loss at the hands of insurance companies. It was an economic class issue, not a political one.

#128 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 02:38 PM

I wonder if the coverage about this shooter will die off as quickly as the coverage of Vance Boelter did after MAGATS realized they couldn't blame it on liberals.

#124 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE

They'll ride the Kirk sympathy angle while quietly reporting on the shooter in ways that won't turn off their base to the preferred narrative of "the left."

#129 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 02:40 PM

It was an economic class issue, not a political one.

That's one of the biggest problems our society faces.

The rich have figured out how to keep the poor fighting one another rather than realizing we're all being robbed by billionaires.

#130 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 02:42 PM

"but I bet they are more left leaning than you imagine, just to stay in your good graces."

They aren't much further to the left than I am....and in some cases, we're virtually undetectable with regards to political positions.

But.....regardless.....we (my family and I) can agree to disagree respectfully. Just like we are right now. They have no reason to soften their opinions for fear of my disapproval. Or their mother's.

Clown/Alex......it's all good. I mentioned my kids....not out of bounds to retort and reference them.

In any case, Snoofy called my daughters ----- and whores once...I don't even remember why or what the issue was.

THAT was out of bounds and wrong.

But Oneiron is fine.........

#131 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 02:47 PM

"Robinson also attended one semester of Utah State University in 2021, the school confirmed in a statement."

That's just enough time to take a handful of 1000 level courses.

#132 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 02:51 PM

Oneironut shouldn't be posting

FTFY

#133 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 03:00 PM

Ok.

Probably safe to assume that news and details of this shooting will disappear about as quickly as did news and details about the alleged Trump would-be assassin...

#134 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-09-12 03:04 PM

Trump's already over it. They asked him how he was holding up and he started talking about his Cinderella Ballroom.

#135 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 03:13 PM

White sone of a preacher/sherriff, in mormon Utah, son of a registered republican, raised from a very young age on gun culture, father wears assault style clothing typical of right wing militia (not saying he is, just that he appears to exist in that space), father likely very magat friendly, shooter apparently an online gamer memer

You know, your typical antifa-eye roll

#136 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 03:14 PM

Here it is

Heartless: After learning that the shooter, Tyler Robinson, isn't a liberal, a reporter asks how Trump's holding up after Charlie Kirk's death. "I think very good, and by the way, there you see all the trucks.

They just started... the new ballroom." Wow.

x.com

#137 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 03:15 PM

"The killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk has reignited attention on a long-simmering feud within elements of the far right, particularly between Kirk and the so-called "Groyper" movement led by white nationalist Nick Fuentes."

"Despite his confrontational style, Kirk was frequently attacked from the right for being too moderate. During the 2019 "Groyper Wars," Fuentes' supporters disrupted Turning Point USA events, challenging Kirk on immigration and LGBTQ rights while labeling him a "gatekeeper" of establishment conservatism.

Now, as the public searches for answers in Kirk's assassination, that conflict within far-right is back in the spotlight"with renewed scrutiny on the rhetoric and influence of Fuentes and his followers.

Social media users have also questioned whether early claims by officials that the suspect, apprehended late Thursday, was tied to left-wing extremism were premature, pointing instead to possible links to the far-right."

www.newsweek.com

#138 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 03:15 PM

So, yet again, rightwing scum commit violence and the president blames "radical leftists"

------- a

#139 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 03:22 PM

Here's some comments taken from the original post about Kirk's murder. I'm curious if any of these posters care to revisit these comments since a suspect has been identified.

Is left wing terrorism as contagious as right wing terrorism? Probably.
#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg

So, a Tim Walz wannabe can't win a debate with Charlie so he takes his cowardly ass 200 yards away and kills him.
#44 | Posted by lfthndthrds

the Democrats and radical leftists have always believed they have an unfettered right to control society and assassinate and control politics and take out any political opposition. How many times have we seen it happen at institutions and to others such as Trump. This is a bad omen to those in society who have come to believe they have this unfettered right of power like the riots of 2020 and shooting the CEO health insurance and allowing criminal trash to run rampant and harm others. The stupid political hyper leftists radicals of society have been doing it globally since Lincoln assassination. Even Sen Fetterman has had enough of the wild eyed Democrats and their hate of others. Democrats have lost their way. No one will in our lifetime ever accept their philosophy.
#83 | Posted by Robson

Reminder: the guy who allegedly shot at Trump was not a democrat or leftist.

The left is the party of murder
#101 | Posted by easy_meat

#140 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-09-12 03:24 PM

So, yet again, rightwing scum commit violence and the president blames "radical leftists"
------- a

#139 | Posted by truthhurts

And some of the idiots here continue to push the narrative that he was a "leftist."

Despite everything we know now.

#141 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 03:27 PM

#140

"Trump Downplays the Radical Right' and Says the Left Is the Problem
President Trump dismissed a suggestion that there were extremists on both sides of the political spectrum."

www.nytimes.com

Trump's Cultists here are just repeating what Dear Leader tell them.

As per usual.

#142 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 03:28 PM

Is left wing terrorism as contagious as right wing terrorism? Probably.

#140 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-09-12 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Antifa video game engraving
Antifa theme song
oWo furry
internet troll

Sorry the goyper thing doesn't play. It's desperation attempting to not make it what it is. Unless you can prove that Charlie was cucking him, it's political terrorism executing a right wing activist.

#143 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 03:32 PM

Sorry the goyper thing doesn't play. It's desperation attempting to not make it what it is. Unless you can prove that Charlie was cucking him, it's political terrorism executing a right wing activist.
#143 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Okay, thanks for the feedback.

#144 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 03:39 PM

Trump this morning on Fox and Friends:

"The radicals on the right are radical because they don't want to see crime".

LOL

Translation please, Trump apologists LOL

#145 | Posted by brass30 at 2025-09-12 03:39 PM

#143

The casing engravings could be a red herring to throw off the investigation... or merely an inside joke.

Otherwise it's basically an admission of motivation by someone who wasn't trying to get caught.

#146 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 03:39 PM

"it's political terrorism executing a right wing activist."

Yes, it is.

But I guess that changes somehow if the shooter was to the right of the right wing activist?

#147 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 03:43 PM

Universities don't produce assassins. They produce educated people.
#88 | POSTED BY RCADE

You sure?

Luigi Mangione's path from valedictorian, engineer, Ivy League grad to murder suspect
www.usatoday.com

#148 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-12 03:46 PM


The casing engravings could be a red herring to throw off the investigation... or merely an inside joke.

Inside joke, and who they are, their culture, reasons why.

You can't be right of the right wing, and accuse Charlie Kirk is spreading hate, again seems illogical.

As the Gov of Utah stated,
x.com

#149 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-12 03:53 PM

" So, yet again, rightwing scum commit violence and the president blames "radical leftists"

------- a

#139 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-09-12 03:22 PM | FLAG: "

He appears to have been radicalized by the left. People who are considered "right wing" typically agree with Kirk's views on at least some, if not most, issues.

#150 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 03:54 PM

He appears to have been radicalized by the left. People who are considered "right wing" typically agree with Kirk's views on at least some, if not most, issues.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 03:54 PM | Reply

You're full of crap as per the usual. He is one of yours not one of ours. Please do try again.

#151 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-12 03:57 PM

Some of the details that have emerged just don't make sense. Like all the stuff supposedly posted in Discord.

#152 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-09-12 03:58 PM

Even if it's 100% true, you can't sell the narrative that Robinson was to the right of Kirk.

Nobody will buy it.

If Robinson needed to kill people he felt were an enemy to what he wanted........how on earth could he think killing Kirk helps him or any cause he purports to support?

Not saying it's not true......just seems like a tough sell.

#153 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 03:59 PM

-He is one of yours not one of ours

If Bernie Sanders killed Kirk, it still wouldn't be "yours".

There is no "your". You are not on a team. You don't own the actions of someone like this no matter what we find out.

#154 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:01 PM

He appears to have been radicalized by the left. People who are considered "right wing" typically agree with Kirk's views on at least some, if not most, issues.
#150 | Posted by BellRinger

Maybe he was radicalized by his conservative Christian upbringing. He wouldn't be the first person to radical reversal on his upbringing.

#155 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 04:06 PM

" rightwing scum"

I guarantee that if he turns out that he is in fact radicalized leftwing, you likely won't acknowledge it and if you price me wrong you will absolutely drop the word "scum" because you've made it abundantly clear that you are ecstatic that Kirk is dead.

#156 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:07 PM

He appears to have been radicalized by the left. People who are considered "right wing" typically agree with Kirk's views on at least some, if not most, issues.

#150 | Posted by BellRinger a

You're an ignorant --------

#157 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:08 PM

" Some of the details that have emerged just don't make sense. Like all the stuff supposedly posted in Discord.

#152 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2025-09-12 03:58 PM | FLAG: "

Where did you see the stuff he posted on Discord?

#158 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:09 PM

If he turns out to have been radicalized by leftwing propaganda, I will issue a public retraction.

Because I have far more integrity than you, by far

#159 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:09 PM

" You're an ignorant --------

#157 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS"

That is an impressive rebuttal.

#160 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:10 PM

" If he turns out to have been radicalized by leftwing propaganda, I will issue a public retraction"

All you really need to do is cool your jets a bit and not leap to conclusions. That's why I used the word, "appears". Meaning that's what it looks like but as of right now we don't know much about this murderer or his true motivations other than a family member (likely his dad) claiming that at a family dinner the killer brought Kirk up by name and accused him of spreading hate.

#161 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:15 PM

"If he turns out to have been radicalized by leftwing propaganda, I will issue a public retraction.
Because I have far more integrity than you, by far"

That's cute.

Literally nobody here gives a single ---- if you retract anything.

And literally nobody here expects you would anyway.

you've never come clean for trying to out the identity of a poster here.

THAT is the integrity you possess.

You ignorant --------

#162 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:15 PM

White
Male
Son of Preacher/Sheriff
Mormon Utah
Parents registered republican
Family members in military
Raised immersed in gun culture
Pictures, from a young age wielding guns

From the NYT: Unfired cartridges found with the gun that officials say was used to kill Charlie Kirk were engraved with a variety of messages, the authorities said on Friday, including many that suggest a familiarity with antifascist symbolism and the insider slang of video games and online culture that pervade the lives of young Americans.
Many of the messages, described by Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah at a news conference announcing the arrest of Tyler Robinson, 22, adopt the flippant, sarcastic, in-jokey chatter often found on online message boards and in-game chats."

"The list of messages on the suspect's casings, as described by Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah, include apparent references to online culture and gaming. "Up arrow, right arrow, and three down arrow symbols," as described by Cox, appears to refer to a sequence of moves on a controller that release a bomb in the video game Helldivers 2. Another engraving, "Notices bulges OWO what's this?" is a phrase used for trolling in online roleplay communities."

So, apparently a gamer and in broader terms-a troll

Now who do we know around here is a troll?

#163 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:15 PM

All you really need to do is.. to go ---- yourself, ----.

#164 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:16 PM

There is no "your". You are not on a team. You don't own the actions of someone like this no matter what we find out.
#154 | Posted by eberly

Yeah Laura is part of the problem and doesn't even know it.

#165 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 04:16 PM

hey, at least we can all agree he's an American.

Unfortunately, the Goveror of Utah is dissapointed (cringe)

#166 | Posted by brass30 at 2025-09-12 04:17 PM

"White
Male
Son of Preacher/Sheriff
Mormon Utah
Parents registered republican
Family members in military
Raised immersed in gun culture
Pictures, from a young age wielding guns"

enough about yourself.

#167 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:17 PM

Maybe he was radicalized by Laura Loomer

www.facebook.com

#168 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:18 PM

Just saw this little diddy,

" jimtreacher.substack.com
@jtLOL

Follow
Three months after @SenSchumer threatened Brett Kavanaugh -- "You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price! You won't know what hit you!" -- someone was arrested for plotting to kill Kavanaugh.

Don't know what made me think of that today."

#169 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:19 PM

you've never come clean for trying to out the identity of a poster here.

THAT is the integrity you possess.

#162 | Posted by eberly

You've been trying to get my identity for years.

THAT is the integrity you possess.

#170 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-12 04:19 PM

some more on the dad

pictures show him with magatesque symbols like a black American flag and assault gear.

What are the odds his father is magat scum, who taught his kids to love guns and killing and enacting violence against his enemies.

#171 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:20 PM

Twoothy,

Nobody buys your holier than thing you've got going on.

#172 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:21 PM

" 171 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-09-12 04:20 PM | FLAG: "

His dad is a police officer.

#173 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:22 PM

you've never come clean for trying to out the identity of a poster here.
THAT is the integrity you possess.
#162 | Posted by eberly
You've been trying to get my identity for years.
THAT is the integrity you possess.
#170 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Gee thanks speaks for forcing me to see that useless turds lying post.

Hey eb, how did I try to out a poster here when all I did was post the information he posted here, on the DR, for all to see?

Please explain, but realize I won't be reading your boring boring --------

#174 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:22 PM

Don't know what made me think of that today.

Made me think of when Trump said Liz Chaney should be put in front of a firing squad and shot in the face.

That's more authentic.

#175 | Posted by brass30 at 2025-09-12 04:23 PM

His dad is a police officer.

#173 | Posted by BellRinger a

Police officers can't be magat scum?

Gee, you're dumb.

#176 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:23 PM

" You've been trying to get my identity for years"

Really. What steps has he taken to try and get your identity?

#177 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:23 PM

Twoothy,
Nobody buys your holier than thing you've got going on.

#172 | Posted by BellRinger at

since I am an atheist your attempted insult is actually a non-sequitur

#178 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:24 PM

-You've been trying to get my identity for years.

cute....all you have is a lie.

How depressing that must be for you

#179 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:24 PM

-Hey eb, how did I try to out a poster here when all I did was post the information he posted here, on the DR, for all to see?

everyone knows that story and nobody stands behind you on it.

but we're all waiting to see a shining example of your "integtrity"

LOL

#180 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:26 PM

-What steps has he taken to try and get your identity?

------------ him on this place on an issue....and actual issue.

but that never takes long.

#181 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:29 PM

" Police officers can't be magat"

Of course they can be. A cop who lives near me in my neighborhood used to fly a "Let's go Brandon" flag below his American flag. Now that Biden is out, it's a Trump flag. His boys are very nice and polite. Both make money mowing lawns. He takes them to the range with him and has drilled into them proper gun safety rules and proper shooting technique. He and his wife's parenting focus has always been around values that have nothing to do with politics - honesty, integrity, courteous, generosity, etc.

#182 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:30 PM

Antifa video game engraving
Antifa theme song
oWo furry
internet troll
Sorry the goyper thing doesn't play. It's desperation attempting to not make it what it is. Unless you can prove that Charlie was cucking him, it's political terrorism executing a right wing activist.

#143 | Posted by sitzkrieg

None of that is ANTIFA. It's pure Groyper memes. Literally its straight from the Groyper pages of 4chan. They call Kirk a fascist constantly quoting Nick Fuentes.

Unless you want to tell us 4Chan is a lefty cult now? And that Nick Fuentes is ANTIFA?

Read #111

#183 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 04:31 PM

" since I am an atheist your attempted insult is actually a non-sequitur

#178 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-09-12 04:24 PM | FLAG: "

Holier than thou is a phrase. It means you feel you are morally superior to everyone else.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:31 PM

Just saw this little diddy,
" jimtreacher.substack.com
@jtLOL
Follow
Three months after @SenSchumer threatened Brett Kavanaugh -- "You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price! You won't know what hit you!" -- someone was arrested for plotting to kill Kavanaugh.
Don't know what made me think of that today."

#169 | Posted by BellRinger

No one claimed there weren't violent left wingers.

They claimed, with facts and hard data, that the violence tends to come from the right. And it's by a very very wide margin.

#185 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 04:33 PM

Holier than thou is a phrase. It means you feel you are morally superior to everyone else.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger

I am objectively morally superior to you -------.

#186 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:35 PM

He appears to have been radicalized by the left. People who are considered "right wing" typically agree with Kirk's views on at least some, if not most, issues.

#150 | Posted by BellRinger

Really?

Nick Fuentes agrees with Kirk?

Is that why he called Kirk a fascist?

Is that why he said Kirk is selling out white America by supporting Israel?

Is that why his Groyper squad routinely disrupts Kirk's events?

Is that why he claimed Kirk is really controlled opposition to America First?

You'd sound a lot smarter if you said nothing.

#187 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 04:37 PM

He and his wife's parenting focus has always been around values that have nothing to do with politics - honesty, integrity, courteous, generosity, etc.

#182 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:
(Choose)

Curious, what are the values of supporting a conman, racist, lying, felon, rapist, insurrectionist?

#188 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-12 04:38 PM

He wouldn't be the first person to radical reversal on his upbringing.

My first thought was he was trying to piss his dad off. Typical.

#189 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 04:38 PM

Holier than thou is a phrase. It means you feel you are morally superior to everyone else.
#184 | Posted by BellRinger, DDS

I am objectively morally superior to you -------.

#190 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:38 PM

Charlie pissed off a Mormon! Let that sink in.

#191 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2025-09-12 04:39 PM

My first thought was he was trying to piss his dad off. Typical.
#189 | Posted by lee_the_agent

That crossed my mind too.

#192 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 04:43 PM

Holier than thou is a phrase. It means you feel you are morally superior to everyone else.
#184 | Posted by BellRinger
I am objectively morally superior to you -------.
#186 | Posted by truthhurts

Jeff thought Kirk was a normal rightwinger because his Cousin listens to him.

You know, a normal rightwinger who said:
We should stone gay and trans people.
We need to lock up more minorities.
British colonialism was made the world decent.
The guy who assaulted Paul Pelosi should be bailed out of jail
Religious freedom should be terminated
Black politicians are stealing spots from white people
MLK Jr was an awful person
Minorities are systematically attempting to replace white people
WOmen's natural place is under their husband's control
George Floyd had it coming
The Civil Rights ac was a huge mistake
Muslims only come to America to destablize Western Civilization
Palestine doesn't exist and those who support it are like the KKK
School children being gun down is acceptable to protect the 2nd Amendment

Jeff probably believes most of these things and feels morally superior.

#193 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 04:44 PM

Is it possible Fuentes viewed Kirk as competition?

#194 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:44 PM

" Nick Fuentes agrees with Kirk?"

Fuentes is a radical. And I said, "some, if not most". You make it sound like I said conservatives agree with Kirk 100% of the time.

#195 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:47 PM

#143 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Sorry, it was an assassination. Not "political terrorism".

The guy does seem to be liberal. But Antifa? Says a guy who knows nothing about Gaming or music. Internet troll? Let me send you a mirror - what's your address lol.

Be honest though - it's been primarily right wingers committing political violence. I am not going to say it amounts to political terrorism. Folks like Trump might be accused of Political Terrorism though.

- R Vance Luther Boelter - Minnesota Assassin.
- Pennsylvania Gov Shapiro's home arson - I don't believe they have identified the arsonist.
- R Thomas Matthew Crooks - The Mentally ill Trump shooter.
- R Solomon Pea - Failed GOP candidate who went on New Mexico shooting spree
- R David DePape - Pelosi Attacker
- R Roy Den Hollander - Attacker killed Judge Esther Salas' son

#196 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-09-12 04:48 PM

He and his wife's parenting focus has always been around values that have nothing to do with politics - honesty, integrity, courteous, generosity, etc.

#182 | Posted by BellRinger

All of which are antithetical to someone so Trumper they fly a Trump flag.

#197 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 04:50 PM

What box doesn't Kirk check to meet the purity test of Fuentes regarding White Nationalism?

not anti-semitic enough?

#198 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:50 PM

Well, sadly, even after the identity of the shooter is released, we're still bickering over whether he's a lefty or a righty.

Each side sees what they want to justify their opinion.

I think I'm gonna spend tonight looking into whether places like Scotland are still interested in taking American scientists...

#199 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 04:53 PM

Not Spanish enough to be a white nationalist.

#200 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 04:54 PM

Scotland. That's where I would go if ICE deported me.

#201 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-12 04:56 PM

"Now that Biden is out, it's a Trump flag. His boys are very nice and polite."

People are going to step up and outright admit to you they don't believe it's possible that any of the 77 milion votes for Trump could have come from someone who is as who you describe.

someone who raises their kids right, good neighbor, citizen, follows the law. Doesn't attack others, respectful of other opinions. no way

That's the power of partisan politics....not Donald Trump......because the same was said about GWB, McCain, Romney voters.

They'll blame their bias on Trump....but it's --------. This is what's in THEIR heart. Not Trump's.

There is no need to debate the existence of POS Trumpers who are an annoyance and even a danger to society at large....that goes without saying.

#202 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-12 04:57 PM

Trump this morning on Fox and Friends:
"The radicals
Translation please, Trump apologists LOL
#145 | Posted by brass30

I thought it was weird that Trump even mentioned radicals on the right.

#203 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 04:57 PM

See anything in common with the most dangerous people in America? quixote.org

Now we can add Tyler Robinson to the catalog. There! img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net

Tyler fits right in, doesn't he?

#204 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-09-12 04:57 PM

Scotland. That's where I would go if ICE deported me.

#201 | Posted by lee_the_agent

Might be a tough road from Angola or Uganda, but me too.

#205 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 04:58 PM

#201: i.pinimg.com

#206 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-09-12 05:00 PM

What box doesn't Kirk check to meet the purity test of Fuentes regarding White Nationalism?
not anti-semitic enough?
#198 | Posted by eberly

Pretty much

And not hard enough on immigration

#207 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 05:05 PM

" Nick Fuentes agrees with Kirk?"
Fuentes is a radical. And I said, "some, if not most". You make it sound like I said conservatives agree with Kirk 100% of the time.

#195 | Posted by BellRinger

It's a bit more that doesn't agree with Kirk 100%.

It's more akin to how ANTIFA views Trump.

Fuentes hated Kirk and saw him as an enemy that is actively fighting the America First movement. And he viewed Kirk as basically being foreign controlled or controlled by the Jewish community.

Why do you down play this?

#208 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 05:07 PM

" We should stone gay and trans people"

So, I did a Google search for this:

" charlie kirk said we should stone gay and trans people"

I found a number of sources who accused him of saying something like that but couldn't find actual quotes. One source would copy/paste maybe a full sentence usually less and then fill in the blanks with no links to his quote in full context. That raises a big flag for me. The other sources on the first page and a half assigned positions without any actual quotes at all. One source said he referenced Leviticus 20:13 in the Old Testament. Now, if one were to read the actual text and only the text, I can see how it would apply to gay people (the text doesn't even imply trans). Anyone who spent some time studying religion understands that the reason the various Christian sects beyond the Bible itself exist is because the Bible is not a literal document. Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, etc are all religious institutions not just a book.

This is what AI says:

" Interpretations of the verse:
Timeless divine law: Some interpret the passage as establishing a universal and enduring moral standard from God.
Cultural/historical context: Others see it as a cultural artifact reflecting the specific societal norms of ancient Israel, suggesting that it may not be directly applicable today.
Reinterpretation: A third perspective suggests reinterpreting the passage within more inclusive theological frameworks."

#209 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:08 PM

What box doesn't Kirk check to meet the purity test of Fuentes regarding White Nationalism?
not anti-semitic enough?
Posted by eberly

That would be one box. Kirk was very pro-Israel:

Israeli leaders heap praise on Charlie Kirk as a staunch ally of Israel

Benjamin Netanyahu and other officials pay tribute to the slain US right-wing influencer as a friend of Israel'.

www.aljazeera.com

#210 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 05:10 PM

" Fuentes hated Kirk and saw him as an enemy that is actively fighting the America First movement"

Who created the America first movement? That would be Trump. Did Trump ever say anything about Kirk that was negative? I don't recall it. He has always been extremely positive about Kirk.

#211 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:11 PM

BTW, you'll never guess who Bebe thinks killed him:

Netanyahu Unveils Most Unhinged Theory Yet on Charlie Kirk Shooter

The Israeli prime minister decided it was high time he weigh in.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has offered his own unhinged theory as to who shot Charlie Kirk, asserting without any evidence that the Turning Point USA founder was killed by a team of "radical Islamists and ultra-progressives."

"This is a worldwide problem. The people on the extremes, the Islamists ... the radical Islamists and their union with the ultra-progressives, they often speak about human rights. They speak about free speech. But they use violence to try to take down their enemies," Netanyahu said on Fox News on Friday. "Whether it's President Trump, who's been almost assassinated twice, or they try to kill me here too. But they got Charlie Kirk, and it's just heartbreaking."

newrepublic.com

#212 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 05:13 PM

" All of which are antithetical to someone so Trumper they fly a Trump flag.

#197 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-09-12 04:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

You just don't get it and probably never will.

#213 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:13 PM

"Who created the America first movement? That would be Trump."

No, he didn't create it. He brought it back into vogue.

#214 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 05:15 PM

So, this was just a mentally ill person with daddy issues. And a gun.

And this was just another school shooting. I'm still too sad about the Catholic kiddos, which some of us might remember.

#215 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-09-12 05:19 PM

You just don't get it and probably never will.

#213 | Posted by BellRinger

No, they just don't get what those words mean.

They like to think they do so that they can claim to be them.

But if you're so Trumper to fly a flag, you are guaranteed to lie for him, deflect for him and defend his actions that are anything but honest, generous ect.

Sorry, you don't get to be that in the bag for a scumbag like Trump and stake a claim on being a good person.

#216 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 05:20 PM

Who created the America first movement? That would be Trump. Did Trump ever say anything about Kirk that was negative? I don't recall it. He has always been extremely positive about Kirk.

#211 | Posted by BellRinger

Trump didn't create it. It's just a rebrand of the tea party movement with a more radical perspective because those idiots got hosed and fell for the same tricks again.

#217 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 05:21 PM

Stephen King Apologizes After Claiming Charlie Kirk "Advocated Stoning Gays To Death"

King's original claim refers back to comments made by Kirk in 2024, when attacking YouTuber Ms. Rachel for quoting "love your neighbor" to defend Pride celebrations.

Kirk said: "Ms. Rachel, you might wanna crack open that Bible of yours, in a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18 is that thou shall lay with another man, shall be stoned to death." He added: "Just sayin'."

Kirk appeared to be referring to Leviticus 18:22, which states: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13 adds: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

deadline.com

#218 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 05:21 PM

Trump didn't create it. It's just a rebrand of the tea party movement with a more radical perspective because those idiots got hosed and fell for the same tricks again.
#217 | Posted by jpw

The original America first goes back to Charles Lindberg:

www.npr.org

#219 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 05:26 PM

Who created the America first movement? That would be Trump.

You're such a moron.

Go back to beating off to your pictures of Trump raping children.

#220 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 05:27 PM

I found a number of sources who accused him of saying something like that but couldn't find actual quotes. One source would copy/paste maybe a full sentence usually less and then fill in the blanks with no links to his quote in full context. That raises a big flag for me. The other sources on the first page and a half assigned positions without any actual quotes at all. One source said he referenced Leviticus 20:13 in the Old Testament. Now, if one were to read the actual text and only the text, I can see how it would apply to gay people (the text doesn't even imply trans). Anyone who spent some time studying religion understands that the reason the various Christian sects beyond the Bible itself exist is because the Bible is not a literal document. Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, etc are all religious institutions not just a book.
This is what AI says:
" Interpretations of the verse:
Timeless divine law: Some interpret the passage as establishing a universal and enduring moral standard from God.
Cultural/historical context: Others see it as a cultural artifact reflecting the specific societal norms of ancient Israel, suggesting that it may not be directly applicable today.
Reinterpretation: A third perspective suggests reinterpreting the passage within more inclusive theological frameworks."

#209 | Posted by BellRinger

Damn. How can you twist this much to defend Kirk? It's amazing.

It wasn't hard to find. Took less than a minute.

Other interpretations are pointless. We are talking about what KIRK said he believes and should happen.

Charlie Kirk: "Thou shall lay with another man, shall be stoned to death. Just saying... The chapter...affirms God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matter."
x.com

#221 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 05:28 PM

" But if you're so Trumper to fly a flag, you are guaranteed to lie for him, deflect for him and defend his actions that are anything but honest, generous ect.

Sorry, you don't get to be that in the bag for a scumbag like Trump and stake a claim on being a good person.

#216 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-09-12 05:20 PM | FLAG: "

You act like ALL people who support Trump agree 100% with what he says and does. It's in part because you live in a bubble and in part because out of ignorance you unwittingly engage in the very bigotry you claim to oppose. Some of Trump's biggest proponents have been skewering him over Epstein. It's not uncommon to see bumper stickers and/or flags supporting politicians. I certainly saw plenty of it during the Obama terms. I never thought that those people supported 100% of what Obama said and did.

#222 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:30 PM

#219 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

They recycled phrasing.

But the current crop of bitter, miserable people who think they didn't get enough of what they think they deserve first started showing their awful selves as the Tea Party movement.

#223 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 05:31 PM

You act like ALL people who support Trump agree 100% with what he says and does. It's in part because you live in a bubble and in part because out of ignorance you unwittingly engage in the very bigotry you claim to oppose. Some of Trump's biggest proponents have been skewering him over Epstein.

#222 | Posted by BellRinger

Until he told them to stop...and then it's "I don't care about Epstein" and "It's a hoax."

Exhibit #1: Charlie Kirk

#224 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 05:32 PM

" x.com

#221 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2025-09-12 05:28 PM | FLAG: "

I don't have a X account. When I post tweets it's from other sources quoting a tweet. So, I can't see your linked tweet.

#225 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:34 PM

You act like ALL people who support Trump agree 100% with what he says and does.

You support his xenophobia, racism, hate mongering, fear bating, destruction of the federal government, ham fisted tariffs, attacking blue states, attacking our allied nations, subservience to Putin ...

You don't support his fondness for McDonald's and well done steaks.

#226 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 05:35 PM

" Until he told them to stop...and then it's "I don't care about Epstein" and "It's a hoax."

Exhibit #1: Charlie Kirk

#224 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2025-09-12 05:32 PM | FLAG: "

Yep, one example. Others didn't stop.

Exhibit #2: Megyn Kelly

#227 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:35 PM

You act like ALL people who support Trump agree 100% with what he says and does.

Do 100% of people who support Trump fly a Trump flag at their house?

No. Nice strawman.

It's in part because you live in a bubble and in part because out of ignorance you unwittingly engage in the very bigotry you claim to oppose.

Are you telling me someone who supports Trump to the point of flying a flag doesn't defend him? Doesn't repeat his lies?

Some of Trump's biggest proponents have been skewering him over Epstein.

That's a single topic and a poor attempt at deflection.

It's not uncommon to see bumper stickers and/or flags supporting politicians.

Bumper stickers, no. Flags? Seem to me to be a new phenomenon directly linked to the cult like nature of MAGA. I never remember seeing Obama flags or Hillary flags or Biden flags.

But drive through any----------- part of any town or any podunk rural area of any state and you'll see gaudy Trump signs and flags all over the place.

It's not normal and it's not a good thing.

I certainly saw plenty of it during the Obama terms. I never thought that those people supported 100% of what Obama said and did.

#222 | Posted by BellRinger

No, you didn't. But nice try with the equivalency.

#228 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 05:35 PM

I don't have a X account.

Stop lying.

You've linked to X.com before.

It was some Garbage rightwing group.

I laughed at you.

I still laugh at you.

#229 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 05:36 PM

" But the current crop of bitter, miserable people who think they didn't get enough of what they think they deserve first started showing their awful selves as the Tea Party movement.

#223 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-09-12 05:31 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

They protested and had political rallies. Peacefully. They pulled permits and cleaned up after themselves. It's all part of the civic process. The only thing that makes them miserable in your view is because their politics differ from yours.

#230 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:38 PM

" You've linked to X.com before"

Reread my post. When I post a tweet it's quoted on a site called Twitchy. A link is provided and I'm able to see the tweet on X bit only the linked tweet. I can't see the thread and I can't post any comments.

#231 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:40 PM

*Lindbergh

#232 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 05:44 PM

Clownshack,

I'll give you an example:

twitchy.com

The post includes a Stephen King copied tweet.

When I tap it I get taken to X and this is what I see:

Conversation

Stephen King
@StephenKing
I apologize for saying Charlie Kirk advocated stoning gays. What he actually demonstrated was how some people cherry-pick Biblical passages.
8:09 AM Sep 12, 2025

9.1M
Views

Read 22.6K replies

When I link to X on here it's from that link that is tied to the site Twitchy.

#233 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:46 PM

Living in the OT isn't Christianity.

And empathy, which Kirk seemed to despise, is what JC was all about.

#234 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 05:50 PM

" x.com
#221 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2025-09-12 05:28 PM | FLAG: "
I don't have a X account. When I post tweets it's from other sources quoting a tweet. So, I can't see your linked tweet.

#225 | Posted by BellRinger

GREAT excuse.

You didn't bother clicking the link.

I don't have an X account either. But I can still watch the video in the X link.

#235 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 05:51 PM

The only thing that makes them miserable in your view is because their politics differ from yours.

#230 | Posted by BellRinger

I listen to what they say, dumbs*&^.

It has nothing to do with disagreement and everything to do with them being bitter, miserable people who think they didn't get enough of what they think they deserved.

Duhhh DiSaGrEeMeNtZZ is as stupid and obvious a sign of low thought process argument as WeLl ThAtSA jUzT mY oPinYunZ!!

#236 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 05:55 PM

" You didn't bother clicking the link."

Yes I did ...

#237 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:55 PM

When I click your link I get the option to view it in the X app which I don't have. I'll search for it on YouTube later. I'm about to leave work and head home.

#238 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 05:59 PM

Bringing up Obama on this thread is like running up the, "I Gots Nuthin'!" flag.

#239 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 05:59 PM

" You didn't bother clicking the link."
Yes I did ...

#237 | Posted by BellRinger

www.reddit.com

#240 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 06:00 PM

- their politics differ from yours.

"their politics" supports a Fascist traitor, a criminal fraud and rapist, and long time Wingman to a Pedophile Pimp in the WH.

No other party in this country does that.

#241 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 06:02 PM

" I listen to what they say, dumbs*&^.

It has nothing to do with disagreement and everything to do with them being bitter, miserable people who think they didn't get enough of what they think they deserved"

Both sides of the aisle people often think they didn't get what they deserved. With the Tea Party it was about reduced government spending and less intrusive government. It certainly was not: "Give us freebies on the taxpayer dime!" That would be miserable people, mostly on the left, "Make taxpayers pay my student loans!"

#242 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 06:02 PM

" www.reddit.com

#240 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2025-09-12 06:00 PM | FLAG: "

I was able to watch it. An 18 second clip. It sounded like he was calling out "Rachel" who he was apparently debating for selectively quoting Leviticus 19 by pointing out what was in Leviticus 20.

#243 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 06:05 PM

I was able to watch it. An 18 second clip. It sounded like he was calling out "Rachel" who he was apparently debating for selectively quoting Leviticus 19 by pointing out what was in Leviticus 20.

#243 | Posted by BellRinger

He called it God's perfect law...

#244 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 06:10 PM

OREM, Utah (AP) " A 22-year-old Utah man who was arrested and booked on murder charges in the assassination of Charlie Kirk held deep disdain for the conservative activist's provocative viewpoints and indicated to a family member that he was responsible for the shooting, authorities said Friday.

#245 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 06:18 PM

#245 | Posted by sitzkrieg

There isn't anything new in there.

#246 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 06:21 PM

OREM, Utah (AP) " A 22-year-old Utah man who was arrested and booked on murder charges in the assassination of Charlie Kirk held deep disdain for the conservative activist's provocative viewpoints and indicated to a family member that he was responsible for the shooting, authorities said Friday.

It would be interesting to know which of Kirk's viewpoints the shooter disdained and why he disdained them. He was raised in a conservative Mormon family, so which of Charlie's many view points did the shooter come to hate? Maybe there are online posts which will clarify this. Maybe some of his friends will weigh in.

#247 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 06:25 PM

There isn't anything new in there.
#246 | Posted by Sycophant

Right now it's also just the family member's word on this.

#248 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 06:26 PM

If only he'd left us some clear signs of intent.

#249 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 06:29 PM

Trump last night at Yankee Stadium. Clearly devastated over Charlie Kirk's death ...

bsky.app

#250 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 06:30 PM

If only he'd left us some clear signs of intent.
#249 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Maybe he left a manifesto. Many shooters do.

#251 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 06:32 PM

I'm going to start with a challenging one.

What could, "hey fascist, catch" along with the bomb code from an anti-fascist satirical video game, engraved onto a bullet mean for a person many people call a fascist possibly mean? He wasn't fascist-enough?

#252 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 06:33 PM

DID NICK FUENTES PLAY HELLDIVERS 2?! HAS MY BELOVED GAME MADE BY ICE COUNTRY EUROS MAKING FUN OF AMERICA BEEN CULTURALLY APPROPRIATED BY WHITE NATIONALISTS?!

#253 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-12 06:34 PM

Maybe he left a manifesto.
#251 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Preferably with a list of his college professors who MAGA say radicalized him.

#254 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 06:34 PM

"Tyler Robinson, who turned himself in for murdering right wing activist Charlie Kirk, was not acting on left wing ideals but was deeply influenced by the far right "Groyper" movement led by Nick Fuentes.

Robinson grew up in a MAGA household, his father was a police officer, and he was surrounded by guns from a young age. Family photos even show him dressed as Pepe the Frog for Halloween, a character that has become a Groyper mascot.

When police examined his ammunition, they discovered Robinson had scratched "Bella Ciao" onto a casing. Though the song began as an anti fascist anthem, it has been co-opted into the online ecosystem of Groypers and incels, and it even shows up on the "Groyper War" playlist on Spotify. This mix of memes, music, and menace reflects how the far right glamorizes violence and recruits followers while hiding behind irony.

Before any of this was known, Donald Trump blamed "the radical left" and Elon Musk claimed Democrats are "the party of murder." Both owe the country an apology. The reality is a huge percentage of political violence in recent years has come from the right. Officials in Evergreen Colorado confirmed that the 16 year old boy who carried out a shooting just moments after Kirk's was ALSO radicalized online by far right propaganda.

Conservatives need to face the truth that their MAGA movement with countless right wing dudebro podcasters is radicalizing an entire generation of young men across this country."

-other98

#255 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-12 06:34 PM

Trump last night at Yankee Stadium. Clearly devastated over Charlie Kirk's death ...
bsky.app

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 06:30 PM | Reply

He doesn't care about Charlie Kirk. This is obvious.

#256 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-12 06:35 PM

What could, "hey fascist, catch" along with the bomb code from an anti-fascist satirical video game, engraved onto a bullet mean for a person many people call a fascist possibly mean? He wasn't fascist-enough?

#252 | Posted by sitzkrieg

"Tyler Robinson, who turned himself in for murdering right wing activist Charlie Kirk, was not acting on left wing ideals but was deeply influenced by the far right "Groyper" movement led by Nick Fuentes.
Robinson grew up in a MAGA household, his father was a police officer, and he was surrounded by guns from a young age. Family photos even show him dressed as Pepe the Frog for Halloween, a character that has become a Groyper mascot.
When police examined his ammunition, they discovered Robinson had scratched "Bella Ciao" onto a casing. Though the song began as an anti fascist anthem, it has been co-opted into the online ecosystem of Groypers and incels, and it even shows up on the "Groyper War" playlist on Spotify. This mix of memes, music, and menace reflects how the far right glamorizes violence and recruits followers while hiding behind irony.
Before any of this was known, Donald Trump blamed "the radical left" and Elon Musk claimed Democrats are "the party of murder." Both owe the country an apology. The reality is a huge percentage of political violence in recent years has come from the right. Officials in Evergreen Colorado confirmed that the 16 year old boy who carried out a shooting just moments after Kirk's was ALSO radicalized online by far right propaganda.
Conservatives need to face the truth that their MAGA movement with countless right wing dudebro podcasters is radicalizing an entire generation of young men across this country."
-other98

#255 | Posted by ClownShack

Sitzkrieg...it seems pretty obvious he is a Groyper. See #111 as well

#257 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 06:37 PM

Both sides of the aisle people often think they didn't get what they deserved.

LOL not like MAGA. It's a centra pillar of MAGA's grievance complex.

With the Tea Party it was about reduced government spending and less intrusive government.

No, it wasn't. It was about Obama and nothing but Obama. Those same s*&^ heads now cheer every massive government intrusion Trump pushes.

It certainly was not: "Give us freebies on the taxpayer dime!" That would be miserable people, mostly on the left, "Make taxpayers pay my student loans!"

#242 | Posted by BellRinger

They're miserable now, mostly because the leaders of MAGA have shaped their grievances over time, over a lack of what they think they should have. Tea Part was full of s*&^ and was solely about hobbling Obama's administration.

Nice attempt at turning it around. Now do the MAGA farmers crying for a bailout because their own gullible stupidity is making them literally lose the whole farm.

#258 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 06:40 PM

Trump last night at Yankee Stadium. Clearly devastated over Charlie Kirk's death ...

When will these Trumper f*&^sticks finally realize how disposable they are and how little they mean to Trump and his people?

Kirk got murdered in broad daylight in front of hundreds of people and they only give a s*&^ insofar as they can use it to make political hay.

Yet you have people here like Boaz, ballwasher ect who actually believe Trump and his administration are actually interested in bettering their lives...

#259 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-12 06:43 PM

I don't know if he's a Groyper, but I do know that Fuentes turned on Trump over the Epestein files:

Neo-Nazi podcaster Fuentes calls MAGA a "scam" following Epstein "cover-up"

www.msn.com

I also know that Kirk backed down on his demand that Trump release the Epstein files after Trump called him and told him to knock it off.

#260 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 06:47 PM

"Family photos even show him dressed as Pepe the Frog for Halloween, a character that has become a Groyper mascot."

Dead giveaway?

(sorry!)

Is JBellicose still comparing the Party of Traitor Trump, Rapist, Fraud, and Pedo Wingman to any other Party or party member in this country?

Because that would definitely be Cult behavior; ludicrous and laughable.

#261 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 06:48 PM

"Family photos even show him dressed as Pepe the Frog for Halloween, a character that has become a Groyper mascot."

#261 | Posted by Corky

I didn't see that anywhere...

That pretty much confirms he is a Groyper...

#262 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 06:57 PM

I didn't see that anywhere...
That pretty much confirms he is a Groyper...
#262 | Posted by Sycophant

bsky.app

#263 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 07:01 PM

#263

Also here:

www.reddit.com

And that's 2017, so he's been in that Cult for long time now.

#264 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 07:04 PM

I didn't see that anywhere...
That pretty much confirms he is a Groyper...
#262 | Posted by Sycophant
bsky.app

#263 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

----...

Well that definitely confirms it.

#265 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 07:04 PM

What's The 'Bella Ciao' Song, And Did Charlie Kirk's Shooter Have It On His Bullet Casings? The Song's Link To The 'Groyper War' Explained

trending.knowyourmeme.com

#266 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 07:06 PM

"During the briefing, investigators described the engravings found on several bullet casings linked to Robinson's rifle. Alongside references to internet memes and video games, one casing carried the words "O Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao," a direct nod to the Italian protest song.

The discovery fueled early speculation online that the shooter may have been motivated by left-wing or "anti-fascist" ideology, with some commentators framing the engraving as a kind of political calling card.

But that interpretation quickly met resistance from others as a viral debate surrounding Robinson's supposed political leaning spread online.

Amid the debate, several internet users argued that the "Bella Ciao" inscription did not automatically suggest a leftist connection, instead suggesting that Robinson may have had ties to the far-right.

Central to that pushback was the "Groyper War," a harassment campaign launched by far-right commentator Nick Fuentes and his followers against Kirk himself."

from Gal's link above

#267 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 07:09 PM

I'm sure the MAGAts will be along any minute now to apologize for claiming this was a leftist.

Any minute now...

I'm sure they won't just pull a Jeff and disappear...

Any minute now...

#268 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 07:10 PM

I'd heard the claim about leftists celebrating Kirk's death but hadn't heard the same about those the right until now:

Among the rightists, Kirk was the moderate option. "The bullet fired at Charlie Kirk may have killed the moderate right," reads a tweet from Antelope Hill Publishing, an independent publishing house whose titles include works by Joseph Goebbels and Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera. With Kirk killed, his longtime nemesis Nick Fuentes becomes the path forward. After years of sending his "Groyper army" to harass Kirk at TPUSA events for being a "Zionist shill" and "America last," Fuentes offered his condolences: "I feel absolutely gutted and devastated. Pray for Charlie Kirk's soul, his young family and for our country. The violence and hatred has to stop. Our country needs Christ now more than ever."

mcrumps.substack.com

#269 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 07:15 PM

Charlie is THE Martyr that people like Alex Jones and Steve Bannon and a lot of others have been waiting for so that they can do what they are doing now... CALLING FOR A CIVIL WAR.

#270 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 07:18 PM

" Yet you have people here like Boaz, ballwasher ect who actually believe Trump and his administration are actually interested in bettering their lives...

#259 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-09-12 06:43 PM | FLAG: "

I don't rely on the government to better my life. That's not the purpose of government. When you say it was all about Obama it's clear you will never get it. That's the narrative you've been spoonfed. You don't listen. You hear the hat you want to hear based upon baked in biases. Hearing and listening are not the same thing.

#271 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 07:27 PM

Suspect's Grandmother Says Family Is All MAGA

politicalwire.com

Go figure.

#272 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-09-12 07:35 PM

I don't rely on the government to better my life. That's not the purpose of government. When you say it was all about Obama it's clear you will never get it. That's the narrative you've been spoonfed. You don't listen. You hear the hat you want to hear based upon baked in biases. Hearing and listening are not the same thing.

#271 | Posted by BellRinger

You literally do and that's literally the purpose of government.

You have an army to protect you from invasion.

You have police and fire departments in case of emergencies and a court system to prosecute criminals.

You have roads, water, electricity, etc. All put in by the government or in partnership with the government.

You lived in a home with housing codes making sure its safe.

You eat food that is regulated to make sure it doesn't kill you or make you sick.

And there are a thousand other things we could bring up that seem like small and unimportant but keep society running for YOUR benefit, you ungrateful spoiled brat.

And if the Tea Party wasn't all about Obama, where were they when Trump went WILD with spending?

You're so full of ----, I can't imagine the smell.

#273 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 07:35 PM

Ya'll 'member when Obama was a vile, lying pig of a man that was convicted of fraud and rape, and disparaging the victim he finger-raped... and who's own DOJ testified to his Election crimes under Oath?

When Barack played footsies with every Dictator currently on this planet?

Me neither.

These False comparisons are False.

#274 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-12 07:42 PM

You have an army to protect you from invasion.

Or now, possibly, arrest you.

You have a court system to prosecute criminals.

Or now, possibly, you.

You lived in a home with housing codes making sure its safe.

Probably not anymore.

You eat food that is regulated to make sure it doesn't kill you or make you sick.

Probably not anymore.

#275 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-12 07:51 PM

I don't rely on the government to better my life. That's not the purpose of government. When you say it was all about Obama it's clear you will never get it. That's the narrative you've been spoonfed. You don't listen. You hear the hat you want to hear based upon baked in biases. Hearing and listening are not the same thing.

#271 | Posted by BellRinger

The purpose of democratic government is to keep you safe and protected while you better your life. To protect you from scammers and criminals. You support fascists who are instead protecting scammers and criminals from accountability.

#276 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-12 08:05 PM

I keep hearing talk that the shooter has been proven to be part of Nick Flutie's far right-----------.

Is there any credible evidence of this?

#277 | Posted by Tor at 2025-09-12 08:08 PM

I keep hearing talk that the shooter has been proven to be part of Nick Flutie's far right-----------.

Is there any credible evidence of this?

#278 | Posted by Tor at 2025-09-12 08:08 PM

I keep hearing talk that the shooter has been proven to be part of Nick Flutie's far right-----------.

Is there any credible evidence of this?

#279 | Posted by Tor at 2025-09-12 08:08 PM

So they coopted Ciao Bella just like they coopted Pepe the Frog. It is what they do.

#280 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-12 08:10 PM

"And if the Tea Party wasn't all about Obama, where were they when Trump went WILD with spending?
You're so full of ----, I can't imagine the smell.

#273 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-12 07:35 PM"

The protests ended long before Obama left office. The protests morphed into working toward getting Tea Party pols elected. And they had some success - it was called the "Freedom Caucus". From protests to civic action.

Also, the Minute Man movement came about during W over his lax border enforcement. It didn't pull a phoenix and become reborn from the ashes when Obama carried on with similar border enforcement.

You're very narrative-driven.

#281 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:18 PM

"I'm sure the MAGAts will be along any minute now to apologize for claiming this was a leftist."

We know very little about him at this point. We do know he absolutely hated Kirk.

#282 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:19 PM

OREM, Utah (AP) " A 22-year-old Utah man who was arrested and booked on murder charges in the assassination of Charlie Kirk held deep disdain for the conservative activist's provocative viewpoints and indicated to a family member that he was responsible for the shooting, authorities said Friday.
#245 | Posted by sitzkrieg

See link for WaPo's correction:

Tiffany
@tiffanyclay.dev

Oh, well it turns out that the shooter never actually said he thought Charlie Kirk was "full of hate." The person who reported the shooter to the police said that these were the views of a third person, w/ whom the caller & the shooter had discussed Kirk.

bsky.app

#283 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 08:21 PM

We know very little about him at this point. We do know he absolutely hated Kirk.
#282 | Posted by BellRinger

Actually that's not true. See my above post.

#284 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 08:23 PM

We know very little about him at this point. We do know he absolutely hated Kirk.
#282 | Posted by BellRinger
Actually that's not true. See my above post.

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 08:23 PM | Reply

He's desperate to blame all of this stuff on the left. That's what this is about.

#285 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-12 08:26 PM

Has anyone followed up on the stealth private jet? Or the hand signal guy?

#286 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-12 08:26 PM

One can assume a shooter hated Kirk but that's not a given. The Butler shooter researched both Biden and Trump and seems to have chosen Trump because he was the one who was holding an outdoor event an hour away from his house.

#287 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 08:26 PM

Sycophant,

Does this sound like someone who advocates stoning gays and trans:

www.youtube.com

I've been looking for the entire interview of that 18 second Reddit clip you shared so I can get full context. Did you notice the clip was cut immediately after he said this:

"He called it God's perfect law..."

I'd like to believe you've seen examples of selective editing or selective cutting off in the recent past. I'd like to see/hear what he said following where your video cuts off.

#288 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:27 PM

He's desperate to blame all of this stuff on the left. That's what this is about.
Seems to almost alway be the case. Why I chuckled when I read You're very narrative-driven.

#289 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-12 08:28 PM

"Actually that's not true. See my above post.

#284 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday"

If the 3rd person accounting is true, then he did hate Kirk.

#290 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:29 PM

#289 I've called out the left for their hateful and sometimes violent rhetoric. As for this shooter, the closest I've come to blaming the left was I said, "It appears that he was radicalized by the left."

When the left constantly blames the right for each and every killing that they think they can pin on the right, they do it loudly. At some point that kind of garbage is going to get turned back around.

#291 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:32 PM

If the 3rd person accounting is true, then he did hate Kirk.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:29 PM | Reply

That doesn't make him a liberal lefty by default.

#292 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-12 08:33 PM

I wish both sides would dial it back. Nevertheless, even if this guy embraced extreme leftist rhetoric and it served as the inspiration or motive for this shooting, the fact that he went that far is on the the shooter alone.

#293 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:34 PM

Subtle whataboutism.

#294 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-12 08:34 PM

"That doesn't make him a liberal lefty by default.

#292 | Posted by LauraMohr"

I'm not claiming that it does. My point with that comment is right now we really know very little about this guy other than an apparent hatred for Kirk.

#295 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:35 PM

If the 3rd person accounting is true, then he did hate Kirk.
#290 | Posted by BellRinger

How do you figure that?

#296 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 08:36 PM

#294 No it really isn't. It's forcing people to play by the very rules they created.

#297 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:36 PM

"How do you figure that?

#296 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday"

1. According to the 3rd party recollection, the shooter brought up Kirk at a family dinner and claimed that Kirk spews hatred.

2. HE PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT AN EXECUTION OF KIRK.

#298 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:38 PM

"1. According to the 3rd party recollection, the shooter brought up Kirk at a family dinner and claimed that Kirk spews hatred"

According to the WaPo correction, it was the 3rd family member who said Kirk spewed hatred, not the shooter.

#299 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 08:43 PM

2. HE PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT AN EXECUTION OF KIRK.
#298 | Posted by BellRinger

Unless the shooter was like the Butler shooter. See post #287. We really don't know.

#300 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 08:47 PM

It's forcing people to play by the very rules they created.

Pretty much the definition of whattaboutism.

#301 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-12 08:48 PM

"According to the WaPo correction, it was the 3rd family member who said Kirk spewed hatred, not the shooter.

#299 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday"

"Pretty much the definition of whattaboutism."

I call it a consistent standard. Are you suggesting it's somehow a bad thing to apply a consistent standard as your pejorative "whataboutism" suggests? Do you think we should play by different rules?

#302 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:54 PM

#299 I was agreeing with you. Apparently I didn't articulate it very well.

#303 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 08:55 PM

"Pretty much the definition of whattaboutism."
I call it a consistent standard. Are you suggesting it's somehow a bad thing to apply a consistent standard as your pejorative "whataboutism" suggests? Do you think we should play by different rules?
#302 | Posted by BellRinger

What? I don't even know what you are talking about. Shooter didn't say Kirk spewed hate. A family member did. How is my linking to the WaPo correction whataboutism?

#304 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 09:01 PM

Are you suggesting it's somehow a bad thing to apply a consistent standard as your pejorative "whataboutism" suggests?

No. It's exactly the same thing. Someone points a finger at your "side", and you reflexively point it back.

Sometimes you have to go back to Ted Kennedy.

#305 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-12 09:11 PM

Ballwasher the ridiculous.

#306 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-12 09:18 PM

Look up Groyper Ballwasher, then get back to us. You love some Nick Fuentes, don't you?

You're a ------- clown.

#307 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-12 09:20 PM

"What? I don't even know what you are talking about. Shooter didn't say Kirk spewed hate. A family member did. How is my linking to the WaPo correction whataboutism?

#304 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday"

ON that post, I c/p'd your comment and forgot to reply. Then I c/p'd Redial's comment about whataboutism and replied. Sorry for the confusion.

#308 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 09:22 PM

"No. It's exactly the same thing. Someone points a finger at your "side", and you reflexively point it back."

You make it sound like it's a bad thing. Either that, or you are treating it like the "shotgun" game teenagers play. The first person who calls shotgun gets to ride in the front seat, the others are stuck in the back seat - as long as one points the finger first, nobody else can point back even if the standard is consistent.

#309 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 09:24 PM

ON that post, I c/p'd your comment and forgot to reply. Then I c/p'd Redial's comment about whataboutism and replied. Sorry for the confusion.
#308 | Posted by BellRinger

Got it.

#310 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 10:08 PM

It seems to me... the righty tighties are in the middle of a civil war of their own... splintering into factions... killing or trying to kill one another... I will bet you anything that trans school shooter is republicl0wn... because there exists a highly conservative gun-toting chick with sticks... transcl0wn community you can only belong to if you can "pass" calling the "non-passers" brainwashed and delusional (as if)... The gun-groomed school shooter was upset he couldn't pass... blamed it on being brainwashed... feckless hypocrites

Really people... if it involves firearms... especially automatic or sniper style... usually a gun-groomed right-wingnut misfit trying to outwing the wingnuts he aspires to become...

It still cracks me up Charley Kirk p!$$ed off a Mormon... gonna have to pay closer attention when they come wheeling up on their bikes... shirt sleeves.... ties... little blue books... lol jeeeeezus

#311 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2025-09-12 10:10 PM

Shooter's mom is a gun-toting, Republican voting Mormon, but it's those god damn liberal professors at the technical college who radicalized him:

bsky.app

#312 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 10:14 PM

This does not compute. The sad thing is I have relative who really think it was the liberal professors who radicalized the shooter:

bsky.app

bsky.app

Aaron Rupar
@atrupar.com

Fox News is just forging ahead tonight as though a card-carrying Democrat gunned down Charlie Kirk. The narrative is impervious to facts.

#313 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 10:23 PM

You MAGAT --------- just keep swallowing whatever -------- a pedophile and his handlers feed you. I'd welcome another civil war just to shut you imbeciles up once and for all. Chumps, every single one of you.

#314 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-12 10:42 PM

Dude spent a semester at Dixie college. FFS.

#315 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-12 10:43 PM

And Ballwasher....you can take a month off and figure out what you're going to do the rest of your of your life. ' Cause this ain't it, dumbass.

#316 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-12 10:44 PM

Well, ----:

Robert Evans (the Only Robert Evans)
@iwriteok.bsky.social

the groypers sure seem to think Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper

bsky.app

kate bush's husband
@airbagged.bsky.social

Even Grok is calling the shooter a groyper. Lmao

bsky.app

#317 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-12 10:51 PM

When the left constantly blames the right for each and every killing that they think they can pin on the right, they do it loudly. At some point that kind of garbage is going to get turned back around.

#291 | Posted by BellRinger

When they lie the nation into our longest war cost a trillion dollar and get thousands of americans killed and a hundred times as many iraqis, then lie about a pandemic causing extra deaths, then add in the deaths and illness caused by the pollution they defend, then add in the deaths they cause by taking healthcare from the poor to give tax cuts to the rich, it's not hard to pin much death on the republicans.

#318 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-13 12:01 AM

I don't rely on the government to better my life. That's not the purpose of government. When you say it was all about Obama it's clear you will never get it. That's the narrative you've been spoonfed. You don't listen. You hear the hat you want to hear based upon baked in biases. Hearing and listening are not the same thing.

#271 | Posted by BellRinger

No, you're just a stupid f(&^ who doesn't understand the world around him.

#319 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-13 03:19 AM

Laura Loomer and Nick Fuentes are furiously scraping their socials right now. They basically fed the beast that spot this kid out and pointed at Charlie Kirk.

This is a factional dispute being played out via a political assassination. They're trying really hard to make bogeymen here. White Nationalist tribes going at it.

#320 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-09-13 04:10 AM

Spat, not spot

#321 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-09-13 04:10 AM

" No, you're just a stupid f(&^ who doesn't understand the world around him.

#319 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-09-13 03:19 AM | FLAG: "

You make SUCH compelling arguments, Vizzini. /s

#322 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-13 07:39 AM

...parenting focus...values that have nothing to do with politics - honesty, integrity, courteous, generosity, etc.
#182 | Posted by BellRinger

So they didn't vote for the Dotard then?
I think these values have everything to do with politics. Funny how they seem to be lacking in MAGATs.

#323 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-09-13 08:09 AM

People still chasing that Fuentes connection lol.

Never bothered to realize it's an HOI4 meme.

#324 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-13 10:15 AM

Never bothered to realize it's an HOI4 meme.

#324 | Posted by sitzkrieg

It's also the theme song for the Groyper War.

Try to keep up

#325 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-13 10:55 AM

Sitz is stuck on his own narrative. He's locked in. He can't see beyond it. He can't step back and take another look - a bigger look.

#326 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-13 11:40 AM

VWhen the left constantly blames the right for each and every killing that they think they can pin on the right, they do it loudly. At some point that kind of garbage is going to get turned back around.

#291 | Posted by BellRinger

By my observation, most of the time the left waits for evidence before they reach any conclusions. And your comment is certainly evidence that the right loves them some projection.

#327 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-09-13 12:34 PM

Antifa video game engraving
Antifa theme song
oWo furry
internet troll
Sorry the goyper thing doesn't play.

#143 | Posted by sitzkrieg

What's it's like to be wrong about everything?

#328 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-09-13 01:44 PM

Looks like Sitz is right and all the groyper speculation is wrong if the NY Post and Fox News reporting is accurate, which I'm assuming it is on this point.

#329 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 02:45 PM

PS I'm not going to link to the NY Post so until some other outlets pick up the story, you'll have to do your own research.

#330 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 02:54 PM

NY post is banned here for a reason, Gal.

#331 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-13 03:08 PM

That's true, Yav. It wouldn't be the first time they made up a story.

#332 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 03:11 PM

It's a lot of coping. After years of punch a nazi, somebody shot somebody many people call a nazi.

The entire concept he shot him because he wasn't nazi enough based on a 6 year old meme is retarded.

He dropped all gaming memes, two of them anti-fascist memes, ciao bella was popularized over the last year by hoi4 and helldivers 2 is anti-fascist satire.

#333 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-13 04:05 PM

Nobody wants an assassin to be on their side, but you don't get to decide that, the assassin does.

#334 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-13 04:05 PM

Looks like Sitz is right and all the groyper speculation is wrong if the NY Post and Fox News reporting is accurate, which I'm assuming it is on this point.

#329 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 02:45 PM | Reply

Why are you linking to the New York Post for news?? You're better than this. At least I hope so.

#335 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-13 04:08 PM

Why are you linking to the New York Post for news?? You're better than this. At least I hope so.
#335 | Posted by LauraMohr

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt, but, yeah, I probably shouldn't do that.

#336 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 04:10 PM

Sitz is stuck on his own narrative. He's locked in. He can't see beyond it. He can't step back and take another look - a bigger look.

#326 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-13 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

I did, in fact, take a bigger look. The Fuentes connection is unsubstantiated, tenuous, and out of date in memes.

I'm just pointing out the obvious symbolism and their current context.

The fact that the articles coming out are about his probably trans, furry roommate that may or may not be his romantic partner, support the straightforward symbolism of the memes.

#337 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-13 04:40 PM

Idle Speculation from social media and legacy media.
So idle it's brain dead.

#338 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 04:42 PM

I'm going to publish a scholarly work in the field of Critical Visual Culture that will explain these memes in depth and mark their use on a timeline of whom uses it, when, why, etc.

#339 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-09-13 04:42 PM

Next week the shooter will be a righty again. Then a lefty, then whatever boogieman the media wants. Whatever the President can use to throw gasoline on the fire.
Meanwhile, another 2-3 shootings will occur in that time and nothing will be done about it. Just another collective shrug because the victims aren't famous.

Gun reform or STFU.

#340 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 04:46 PM

Nobody wants an assassin to be on their side, but you don't get to decide that, the assassin does.

#334 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

All of this is insane. "Side" nonsense is beyond stupid with both sides acting as if it's a relevant or applicable to the other side in a blanket way when there's ample examples of violent loons with clear mental health issues from each side.

#341 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-13 05:11 PM

Thank you!

Let's go back to sane gun reform we had after Reagan got shot. (the Brady bill)

Instead we just bicker about what ideology is at fault.

#342 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 05:16 PM

Like, does it even matter if the shooter had a trans roommate? This is nuts.

#343 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 05:19 PM

Like, does it even matter if the shooter had a trans roommate? This is nuts.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 05:19 PM | Reply

About how many nuts are you talking about?? 2 or 4??

#344 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-13 05:34 PM


Like, does it even matter if the shooter had a trans roommate? This is nuts.
#343 | POSTED BY ALEXANDLIES

To you it does, you lied about who Tyler was. Now you don't care. Funny that after caught in an obvious lie.


Gun reform or STFU.
#340 | POSTED BY ALEXAANDLIES

I mentioned a reform but I recall you giving me ---- for it.


The Fuentes connection is unsubstantiated, tenuous, and out of date in memes.
I'm just pointing out the obvious symbolism and their current context.

This was a dead end before AlexAndLies finished typing it, he didn't think.


Instead we just bicker about what ideology is at fault.

You can't now say I don't care, we're just bickering... LOL FFS.
I just look at the data, and interpret it, its simple. I corrected Stiez above it was OwO which is clearly a GAMP indicator.

Typical you now fall back to gun control argument, just log off have a beer and chalk up the L.

#345 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-13 06:00 PM

All of this is insane. "Side" nonsense is beyond stupid with both sides acting as if it's a relevant or applicable to the other side in a blanket way when there's ample examples of violent loons with clear mental health issues from each side.
#341 | Posted by jpw

I just tried to make this point to a RW relative: "there's ample examples of violent loons with clear mental health issues from each side." And he would have none of it. According to him, the liberal mindset is evil, destroying this country, will no longer be tolerated and will be destroyed. I asked him what he saw for the future? A civil war? He didn't answer.

#346 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 06:14 PM

Where did I lie? The bullets have Groyper crap on them.

No one takes you seriously, OneiroNUT.

#347 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 06:24 PM

Gun Control was OKAY when Reagan did it.

Now it's verboten.

#348 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 06:25 PM

Gun Control was OKAY when Reagan did it.
Now it's verboten.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 06:25 PM | Reply

Yeah cause it was the result of Black panthers openly carrying firearms in public. Gun control was born out of racism not public safety.

#349 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-13 06:54 PM

Black Panthers? In the 80's??

#350 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-13 07:04 PM

Ronald Reagan's record on gun control is complex, showing different approaches at various points in his career. He did support certain gun control measures at both the state and federal levels, including restricting access to assault weapons and supporting the Brady Bill, while also being a strong proponent of gun rights.
As governor of California
As governor, Reagan signed the Mulford Act in 1967, which is a clear example of his support for certain gun control measures.
The context: The law was a direct reaction to members of the Black Panther Party openly carrying loaded weapons while patrolling the streets of Oakland.
The result: The bill outlawed the public open carrying of loaded firearms. When asked about it at the time, Reagan stated, "there's no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons".
As president and former president
As president and even after leaving office, Reagan's views continued to evolve and were not uniformly pro-gun-rights.
The Brady Bill: In a 1991 op-ed for the New York Times, Reagan publicly backed the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, which required federal background checks for firearm purchases. He explained his support by referencing his own experience with gun violence after being shot in a 1981 assassination attempt.
Assault weapons ban: In a 1994 letter to Congress, Reagan joined former presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter in endorsing the ban on "semi-automatic assault guns". The ban was cited by supporters as a key factor in its narrow passage.
Support for gun rights: At the same time, Reagan was a lifelong member of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and gave speeches where he championed gun ownership rights for hunting, sport, and self-defense. His support for gun rights, however, was framed around the responsible use of firearms, not the unfettered ownership of all types of weapons.
Apparent contradiction
Reagan's different stances are not necessarily a contradiction, but rather reflect a nuanced position that many Americans hold. He supported the rights of "law-abiding citizens" to own firearms for sport and protection, but saw a clear difference between that and the public or criminal use of assault weapons. His support for gun control evolved significantly after he was shot in 1981, leading him to support the Brady Bill and the assault weapons ban in the following years.

#351 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-13 07:10 PM

I just look at the data, and interpret it, its simple. I corrected Stiez above it was OwO which is clearly a GAMP indicator.

#345 | Posted by oneironaut

It's a damn 4Chan meme... The entire line is literally a 4Chan meme...

It references Furries but it's a joke...

It's been posted repeatedly, OneIronNut. You should try reading.

#352 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-13 08:02 PM

The Fuentes connection is unsubstantiated, tenuous, and out of date in memes.
I'm just pointing out the obvious symbolism and their current context.

This was a dead end before AlexAndLies finished typing it, he didn't think.

#345 | Posted by oneironaut

Really?

becuase Fuentes "Second Groyper War" is less than a year old.

I'm sure the lines straight from Groyper memes, their calling Kirk a fascist, and his Groyper Halloween costume is just a coincidence...

Not a single person anywhere has said they knew him and thought he was a leftist. Although a few said they thought he was quite conservative. Not even his family said he was liberal. Only that he thought Kirk expressed hateful comments...which Kirk did again minorities, women, and Alt Right groups like Groypers under Fuentes.

#353 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-13 08:10 PM

BTW Fuentes thinks its one of his.

He isn't calling the Left violent or calling for attacks on them as much as he is calling for calm and investigation.

He's saying everyone should be investigated and the "how could this happen" garbage.

#354 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-13 08:11 PM

I'm going to publish a scholarly work in the field of Critical Visual Culture that will explain these memes in depth and mark their use on a timeline of whom uses it, when, why, etc.

#339 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I'd read that.

#355 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-09-13 09:40 PM

I'm going to publish a scholarly work in the field of Critical Visual Culture that will explain these memes in depth and mark their use on a timeline of whom uses it, when, why, etc.
#339 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG
I'd read that.
#355 | Posted by chuffy

Sitz is the guy who thought Helldivers II was an ANTIFA video game.

Don't expect much from him.

Hey, Sitz, who do you fight for in Helldivers II?

#356 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-13 09:43 PM

Breakdown of the shell casing memes, there's plenty out there. www.theverge.com

If you don't think Laura Loomer and Nick Fuentes didn't scrape their socials immediately, I've got a golden ballroom to sell you. That is, until the president of the USA decided to blame black people and trans people and Democrats ... fascists gotta fasch.

Dude was part of the gamer community, which means male, gun enthusiast, typically white, typically fundamentalist religious upbringing, typically misogynistic, typically xenophobic, typically has some issues with their sexual identity (incel, latent homosexual, etc.) - That's a right wing guy, not a "radical leftist" guy. Violence is overwhelmingly a right-wing protocol.

#357 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-09-13 09:54 PM

Sitz is the guy who thought Helldivers II was an ANTIFA video game.

Don't expect much from him.

Hey, Sitz, who do you fight for in Helldivers II?

#356 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I'm sure it would be entertaining. I've thought the same thing about White Nationalist/White Supremacist iconography and ideology. Flags, memes, the main socials/blogs/sites/games ... lots out there that springs up whenever we have Stephen Miller as Wormtongue...

#358 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-09-13 10:14 PM

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