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Oklahoma 16-year-old Nex Benedict died by suicide, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by the state's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.

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I wonder if any of the anti-trans people around here will reflect on the impact their actions have on at risk children.

#1 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-13 08:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can relate. I'd probably off myself too if I lived in Oklahoma.

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-13 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#1 ... I wonder if any of the anti-trans people around here will reflect on the impact their actions have on at risk children. ...

I wonder that also.

Anyone?

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-13 10:47 PM | Reply

#2 You should move there. Pronto.

Do it for Israel.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-13 11:00 PM | Reply

@#4 ... Do it for Israel. ...

Wow.

Apparently so desperate for replies to its comments that it seems to need to try to change the topic of discussion.

So desperate. So sad.


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-13 11:43 PM | Reply

Mostly,I just really Hate Censored.

It's not pretty, I'm Not Proud of it.

But that Punk makes me want to Puke every time I read his Hateful Nonsense.

And he posts So Much of it.

I just kinda lose it.

Sorry,Man.

I should try to be a bigger person than that.

#6 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-13 11:57 PM | Reply

Try it sometime. Like now. Today. Right now. Suicide is painless.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-14 12:35 AM | Reply

Such a tragedy. This is what Right Wingers want most. For us to go away.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-14 12:49 AM | Reply

So they didn't die as a direct result of the fight and the alleged poor medical care she received. Lot of people had their panties in a wad because an ambulance wasn't called. Will this change the narative of the law suits going forward? I would think they could make the case that the bullying is directly linked to the suicide.
I agree with Laura that this is a tragedy and on greater society that allows that crap to fester in our schools.

#9 | Posted by mattm at 2024-03-14 10:00 AM | Reply

This story breaks my heart. A completely utterly avoidable tragedy brought on solely by hate filled bigotry directed at a sensitive human being. This assault in the bathroom was clearly the last straw that led to this sad end.

I cannot understand the mindset to express hatred towards a child who simply lives a different life experience. It disgusts me that powerful people pass laws and policies with such intentional nastiness in them. The infliction of pain is the point of things like denying a trans person to use their preferred pronoun or have their gender on their licenses.

And this is the end result.

Republicans, conservatives, religious people truly have no soul and have only hate in their heart. Words cannot express the disgust I feel for people that support anti-trans legislation.

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 12:09 PM | Reply

In states with anti-LGBTQ laws, the number of hate crimes directed at LGBTQ kids in K-12 has quadrupled.

Republicans are scum.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I agree with Laura that this is a tragedy and on greater society that allows that crap to fester in our schools.
#9 | POSTED BY MATTM

It's worse than that.
Republicans actively promote this hate and bigotry.

Especially in our schools.
Republicans actively promote this hate and bigotry.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Only Twoothy can find away to blame his political opponents for a suicide. Apparently, prior to trans being a thing the broad public even knew about , kids never got bullied in school.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 03:41 PM | Reply

BellRinger celebrates this death. His only remorse is that he wasn't directly responsible for it, just indirectly.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 03:47 PM | Reply

Only Twoothy can find away to blame his political opponents for a suicide. Apparently, prior to trans being a thing the broad public even knew about , kids never got bullied in school.

#13 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Sure jeff, their death had nothing to do with the anti-trans hate legislated and supported by people like you..

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 05:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Apparently, prior to trans being a thing the broad public even knew about , kids never got bullied in school.

Nex Benedict wasn't trans.

You fkkking idiot.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 05:36 PM | Reply

www.oklahoman.com

www.nbcnews.com

A far-right influencer who was accused of instigating bomb threats against a school library in Tulsa, Oklahoma, last year has been named an adviser to a state library committee, the head of the state Education Department announced Tuesday

I am sure this had nothing to do with the bullying Nex suffered.

I posed the question in my 1st post whether this tragic story would cause people to reflect on their actions.

Clearly Jeff did not reflect, not that I imagine he is capable of self-reflection

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 05:38 PM | Reply

Apparently, prior to trans being a thing the broad public even knew about , kids never got bullied in school.
Nex Benedict wasn't trans.
You fkkking idiot.
#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Jeff doesn't care enough to find out.

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 05:39 PM | Reply

The Swifties are out in force today......

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 05:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Okay?

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 05:51 PM | Reply

Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters also issued a statement, saying in part that "The loss of our student in Owasso is tragic for the family, the community and our state. The LGBTQ groups pushing a false narrative are one of the biggest threats to our democracy, and I remain more than ever committed to never backing down from a woke mob."

Yikes....his response was to give the middle finger to the "woke" crowd.

What false narrative?

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 05:51 PM | Reply

Laura might know about this but in her community, a 16 year old took his own life.

Not sure of the circumstances. My son knew him.

I never had to deal with this as a kid. I feel for all the kids impacted by this.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 05:54 PM | Reply

What false narrative?

Coming from that bigot.

Probably that trans and non binary people exist.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 05:54 PM | Reply

I feel for all the kids impacted by

That's my biggest problem with conservatives.

This notion that they need to be in charge of who everyone should be and how they should behave.

Rather than simply accepting people for who they are.

Leave LGBTQ+ people alone to grow up to be who they are.

Stop threatening people.

It's not difficult.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 06:03 PM | Reply

More than 50,000 people can the US committed suicide in 2023. Every one of them was tragic and and likely very few were less tragic than the others.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 06:34 PM | Reply

" A far-right influencer who was accused of instigating bomb threats"

Take all of that verbiage in for a moment.

The gender obsession has made people on the left crazy.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 06:37 PM | Reply

More than 50,000 people can the US committed suicide in 2023. Every one of them was tragic and and likely very few were less tragic than the others.

#25 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Did you contribute to any of those suicides?

Again, a little self-reflection would do you good.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 06:38 PM | Reply

I haven't contributed to ANY suicides.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 06:39 PM | Reply

" A far-right influencer who was accused of instigating bomb threats"
Take all of that verbiage in for a moment.
The gender obsession has made people on the left crazy.

#26 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Only a conservative could take the words: " A far-right influencer who was accused of instigating bomb threats"

far-right influencer
instigated
bomb threats

as an indictment of the left's alleged obsession with gender.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I haven't contributed to ANY suicides.

#28 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

You have supported and you continue to support anti-trans and anti-lgbtq laws.

States with anti-lgbtq laws have seen hate crimes targeting LGBTQ children in K-12 quadruple.

www.washingtonpost.com

You don't see the link.

Any person with an iota of a conscience would see that and reflect on their actions.

But you do you, don't reflect.

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 06:43 PM | Reply

FT Washington Post article:

Calls have spiked to the Trevor Project, which provides support to LGBTQ+ youth aimed at suicide prevention and crisis intervention. In the fiscal year ending in July 2022, the group fielded about 230,000 crisis contacts, including phone calls, texts and online chats. The following year, it was more than 500,000.

Yet jeff doesn't see the link

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 06:45 PM | Reply

Similarly, the Rainbow Youth Project, a nonprofit that offers crisis response and counseling to at-risk LGBTQ+ youth, saw calls to its hotline rise from an average of about 1,000 per month in 2022 to just over 1,400 per month last year. The top reason cited by callers in 2023 was anti-LGBTQ+ "political rhetoric," such as debate over laws and policies limiting rights at school.

Young people will say, "`My government hates me,' My school hates me,' `They don't want me to exist,'" said Lance Preston, the group's founder and executive director. "That ... is absolutely unacceptable. That is shocking."

Jeff can read this and think "I am not the problem"

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 06:46 PM | Reply

Since 2020, Oklahoma has adopted several laws restricting transgender rights. The state prohibits students from using bathrooms that do not align with the sex assigned at their birth and bars minors from receiving transition-related care. The legislature is considering additional measures this year, including a ban on changing one's gender on birth certificates and requiring that schools teach that "a person's sex is an immutable biological trait" that cannot be changed.

And

In a statement to an officer, Nex and their grandmother said three girls had been bullying Nex and a friend because of how they dress. In the bathroom that day, these girls were making comments Nex found offensive,

Jeff sees no connection, just a standard case of bullying.

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 06:48 PM | Reply

Many of these bills have been championed by the state's schools superintendent, Ryan Walters, who said in an interview that Nex's death was a heartbreaking tragedy, but that those who are connecting it to bullying or gender identity are pushing a "left-wing agenda" and "politicizing the death of a student."

Oklahoma state's schools superintendent, Ryan Walters seems to agree with jeff.

Do you think Ryan Walters stated opinion will result in positive change for LGBTQ students in OK?

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 06:50 PM | Reply

This is what I support/ oppose

Books in public school libraries need to be age appropriate.

Discussion of gender fluidity and homosexuality at school should be limited to sex ed modules and if those topics aren't currently part of the sex ed curriculum they should be added.

Males should not be allowed to access female safe spaces and vice versa without consent.

Males should not participate in women's sports.

Administering puberty blockers for reasons unrelated to a physical ailment to minors is child abuse. Chemical sterilization and reassignment surgeries for minors is felonious child abuse.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Because you share a belief or an opinion does not mean it's connected to violence," he said.

Ryan Walters does not believe the stats from suicide prevention hotlines where 63.2% of students blame the anti-lgbtq laws for their anxieties and fears. 56.3% mention bullying.

It takes a MAN to reflect on these facts and consider their actions.

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 06:52 PM | Reply

" Ryan Walters seems to agree with ... ."

I don't know enough about the situation to determine if bullying is the root of her suicide AND NEITHER DO YOU. Bullying is always bad yet it still occurs and not just against trans or non-binary kids.

#37 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 06:54 PM | Reply

Please explain how prohibiting males from competing in women's sports is anti lgb.

Whether or not it's anti tq is a different discussion.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 06:56 PM | Reply

I don't speak for Ryan Walters.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 06:57 PM | Reply

"Discussion of gender fluidity and homosexuality"

What about discussion of heterosexuality?
What's the right age?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 06:57 PM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Facts don't matter, only feelz and an attempt to make you feel guilty (struggle session), this is how Marxist/Communists operate.

#41 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-14 06:57 PM | Reply

Please explain how prohibiting males from competing in women's sports is anti lgb.

Why did you phrase it like that,
Why didn't you phrase it like

Prohibiting males from competing in female sports.
Your answer is where the "anti" comes into play.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 06:58 PM | Reply

#40 sex ed module at school.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 07:20 PM | Reply

"#40 sex ed module at school."

So we can't talk about George Washington and his wife, until we teach them Sex Ed first?

That sounds crazy and unworkable.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 07:26 PM | Reply

" Ryan Walters seems to agree with ... ."
I don't know enough about the situation to determine if bullying is the root of her suicide AND NEITHER DO YOU. Bullying is always bad yet it still occurs and not just against trans or non-binary kids.

#37 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

As I said, you are incapable of self-reflection

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 07:33 PM | Reply

#40 sex ed module at school.

#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So, Colorado should what, not mention, discuss or even have a picture of their Governor?

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 07:35 PM | Reply

#40 sex ed module at school.
#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER
So, Colorado should what, not mention, discuss or even have a picture of their Governor?

#46 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS A

Same with Oregon, right jeff?

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 07:37 PM | Reply

www.cbsnews.com

Jeff do you believe that this teacher did something wrong?

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 07:39 PM | Reply

I don't speak for Ryan Walters.

#39 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I didn't ask you to, I asked "Do you think Ryan Walters stated opinion will result in positive change for LGBTQ students in OK?'

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 07:40 PM | Reply

"Bullying is always bad yet it still occurs and not just against trans or non-binary kids."

You're really intent on missing the bigger picture here.

Most kids don't have grown adults and a major political party bullying them.

Trans kids and non-binary kids get bullied by grown adults, sometimes including their own teachers and parents, and by Republicans. This just doesn't happen in any comparable way, to what you'd have to label binary non-trans kids.

Trans kids, as a class of people, are being singled out.

You single them out, as a class of people, by bringing up women's sports every time, even when sports are not part of the story.

Do you really not see that you are doing that?

Do you really not see that certain voices and a major political party are doing that?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 07:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Snoofy apparently thinks any time "husband and wife" or husband and husband" are even mentioned that a full blown lecture on sexuality must immediately follow.

#51 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 07:47 PM | Reply

What age should we teach kids that people who hold power over their lives think gays shouldn't be allowed to marry?

Why aren't there any people in power saying straights shouldn't be allowed to marry?

What age can you explain that to a kid?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 07:51 PM | Reply

Aren't you wanting to disallow "husband and husband" until a certain age?

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-14 07:51 PM | Reply

Amen Snoofy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 07:51 PM | Reply

Snoofy apparently thinks any time "husband and wife" or husband and husband" are even mentioned that a full blown lecture on sexuality must immediately follow.

#51 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

LOLOLOLOLOL

Too farking funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who did you call a groomer, you pustulating ---- wart?!?!

#55 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 07:52 PM | Reply

"Snoofy apparently thinks any time "husband and wife" or husband and husband" are even mentioned that a full blown lecture on sexuality must immediately follow."

Well, you're illustrating the point I'm making at least.

Would you be okay with a teacher using "husband and husband" then? And answering any questions the same way they would if questions about husband and wife came up? Answers like, they got married because they love one another.

That's as okay in K-3 as husband and wife?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 07:57 PM | Reply

#48 illustrates the point perfectly!
Kindergarten teacher surprises students by having wedding at school

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 08:00 PM | Reply

" Most kids don't have grown adults and a major political party bullying them."

Tell that to white boys who have to endure DEI/CRT non-stop.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 08:05 PM | Reply

"Tell that to white boys who have to endure DEI/CRT non-stop."

OMFG.

The victimhood never ends, does it?

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-14 08:08 PM | Reply

Endure it, nonstop?

What the fkkk does that mean?

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 08:10 PM | Reply

" Aren't you wanting to disallow "husband and husband" until a certain age?

#53 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-03-14 07:51 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

As a subject that is introduced by a teacher or school administration - already answered.

If a first grader were to ask how 2 men can be married, the answer is simple, "instead of being attracted to women, they are attracted to men. They love each other and got married."

That's a simple 3 sentence response that answers the question.

It's amazing how public schools were able to manage this up until around 2011, give or take.

#61 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 08:10 PM | Reply

2 sentence response.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 08:11 PM | Reply

" Most kids don't have grown adults and a major political party bullying them."
Tell that to white boys who have to endure DEI/CRT non-stop.

#58 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

To be a conservative, one must first and foremost be a victim.

Can you provide statistics on how DEI and CRT have led to increased:

1. Hate Crime
2. Suicidal ideation and attempts
3. Bullying

#63 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 08:12 PM | Reply

" The victimhood never ends, does it?

#59 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-03-14 08:08 PM | FLAG: "

Twoothy is accusing adults of bullying trans kids. Without much in the way of anything other than anecdotal evidence. DEI/CRT has become widespread in our institutions and among other things accuses white kids of being oppressors simply due to the color of their skin.

Are you good with that?

#64 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 08:13 PM | Reply

" Aren't you wanting to disallow "husband and husband" until a certain age?
#53 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-03-14 07:51 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"
As a subject that is introduced by a teacher or school administration - already answered.
If a first grader were to ask how 2 men can be married, the answer is simple, "instead of being attracted to women, they are attracted to men. They love each other and got married."
That's a simple 3 sentence response that answers the question.
It's amazing how public schools were able to manage this up until around 2011, give or take.

#61 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're fine with a gay kindergarten teacher inviting all of her students to her wedding?

#65 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 08:14 PM | Reply

Twoothy is accusing adults of bullying trans kids.

Adults are bullying trans kids. Kids are repeating their behavior.

Nex Benedict isn't Trans. That you continue to refer to them as such further illustrates how little you actually care and understand.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 08:16 PM | Reply

Twoothy is accusing adults of bullying trans kids. Without much in the way of anything other than anecdotal evidence. DEI/CRT has become widespread in our institutions and among other things accuses white kids of being oppressors simply due to the color of their skin.
Are you good with that?

#64 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

Liar

See Posts 30 etal

Washington Post

www.washingtonpost.com

DEI/CRT has become widespread in our institutions and among other things accuses white kids of being oppressors simply due to the color of their skin.

DEI/CRT does nothing of the sort, liar.

#67 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 08:16 PM | Reply

You're fine with a gay kindergarten teacher inviting all of her students to her wedding?

Well that would be weird.

I'd be okay with her telling the students she's getting married to the woman she loves.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 08:18 PM | Reply

Quote the liar: "Without much in the way of anything other than anecdotal evidence."

Quote the truth teller: "You have supported and you continue to support anti-trans and anti-lgbtq laws.
States with anti-lgbtq laws have seen hate crimes targeting LGBTQ children in K-12 quadruple.
www.washingtonpost.com
You don't see the link.
Any person with an iota of a conscience would see that and reflect on their actions.
But you do you, don't reflect.
#30 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Quote the truth teller again: "FT Washington Post article:
Calls have spiked to the Trevor Project, which provides support to LGBTQ+ youth aimed at suicide prevention and crisis intervention. In the fiscal year ending in July 2022, the group fielded about 230,000 crisis contacts, including phone calls, texts and online chats. The following year, it was more than 500,000.
Yet jeff doesn't see the link

#31 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-03-14 06:45 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)"

Quote the truth teller again: "Similarly, the Rainbow Youth Project, a nonprofit that offers crisis response and counseling to at-risk LGBTQ+ youth, saw calls to its hotline rise from an average of about 1,000 per month in 2022 to just over 1,400 per month last year. The top reason cited by callers in 2023 was anti-LGBTQ+ "political rhetoric," such as debate over laws and policies limiting rights at school.
Young people will say, "`My government hates me,' My school hates me,' `They don't want me to exist,'" said Lance Preston, the group's founder and executive director. "That ... is absolutely unacceptable. That is shocking."
Jeff can read this and think "I am not the problem"

#32 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-03-14 06:46 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

etc

You be the judge, who is the liar and who is telling the truth?

#69 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 08:19 PM | Reply

You're fine with a gay kindergarten teacher inviting all of her students to her wedding?
Well that would be weird.
I'd be okay with her telling the students she's getting married to the woman she loves.
#68 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

The heteronormative teacher invited her kindergarten class

I've seen a tik tok of a special needs teacher whose class were the ringbearers.

Why are heteronormative and homonormative different?

#70 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 08:21 PM | Reply

DEI/CRT has become widespread

Why equate these things? DEI is one thing. CRT is a different thing.

My experience with DEI is mostly from a business and industry standpoint. Mostly related to adapting to women in a traditionally male dominated workforce.

#71 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-14 08:22 PM | Reply

"Most kids don't have grown adults and a major political party bullying them."
Tell that to white boys who have to endure DEI/CRT non-stop.
#58 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'm white, straight, etc.
DEI doesn't bully me in the slightest.

How about you tell us how having to endure DEI bullies anyone?
Like, what the hell are you talking about?

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 08:22 PM | Reply

It's amazing how public schools were able to manage this up until around 2011, give or take.

#61 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

And only 4 years later gay marriage was legalized.

You don't get it jeff, you just dont'

#73 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 08:23 PM | Reply

Why equate these things? DEI is one thing. CRT is a different thing.

He doesn't know what either are.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 08:25 PM | Reply

"Twoothy is accusing adults of bullying trans kids. Without much in the way of anything other than anecdotal evidence."

^
Every adult who engaged in performative outrage over Bud Light and Dylan Mulvany bullied trans kids.

Deny that, it will be fun and maybe even informative!

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 08:25 PM | Reply

Jeff can't even admit that LGBTQ children are at an especially high risk

#76 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 08:25 PM | Reply

Every adult who engaged in performative outrage over Bud Light and Dylan Mulvany bullied trans kids.
Deny that, it will be fun and maybe even informative!

#75 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Jeff doesn't believe a celebrity firing a gun a bud light cans is bullying.

#77 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 08:27 PM | Reply

Why are heteronormative and homonormative different?

I think it's weird for any teacher to invite their class full of students to their wedding. I could see like maybe a student but the entire class seems weird to me.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 08:27 PM | Reply

At that young age a group thing is far better than a single or 2 or 3 kids. Kids will feel more comfortable and none will feel left out.

#79 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 08:29 PM | Reply

"DEI/CRT has become widespread in our institutions and among other things accuses white kids of being oppressors simply due to the color of their skin."

^
It sounds like you're saying DEI teaches that all whites are bullies.

You're in the neighborhood but you're deliberately distorting it. You're pretending society doesn't exist, you're equating societal norms and conventions with the implicit and innate desire of all individuals that happen to have the same skin color as the architects of that society. You're denying systems, cultures, institutions and instead blaming each individual. CRT isn't about blame, it's about understanding.

CRT doesn't teach that all whites are oppressors. CRT points out that whites are free from certain kinds of oppression in our white dominant society. There's no N word for whites, for example. Critical theory would likewise observe most kids are free from a few kinds of oppression that only trans kids experience.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 08:35 PM | Reply

I see the Plutocratic Polarization at werk again on the thread.

The country is burning with authoritarian whack jobs, and people are talking about sexual preferences and the violence that these prejudices produce instead.

Just what they want.

All it requires here is Jeffybelle lighting the fire.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-14 08:39 PM | Reply

Jeff doesn't believe a celebrity firing a gun a bud light cans is bullying.
#77 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Yeah I bet he doesn't.

Actually I bet he does
but he'll never admit it
so he left the thread.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 08:40 PM | Reply

#81 Another reason for him to leave the thread. His work here is done.

I mention this from time to time:

I'm not trying to change his mind.

I'm writing for the other people. People who might be reading this, and might not see the tricks he's up to.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 08:43 PM | Reply

Interesting that Truthhurts has an axe to grind regarding Libs of TikTok lol. Keep trying there, but she only reposts what your own people post online. She just shines a light on it.

#84 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 09:20 PM | Reply

Interesting that hate filled -------- like bluewaffles cannot see how they are truly evil targetting and harrassing children.

#85 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The people targeting and harassing children are the ones telling them to keep secrets from their parents and are pushing hormones, chemicals and mutilating surgeries on minors who are struggling to figure out how to just fit in.

#86 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 09:32 PM | Reply

" My experience with DEI is mostly from a business and industry standpoint. Mostly related to adapting to women in a traditionally male dominated workforce.

#71 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-03-14 08:22 PM | FLAG: "

That is not at all what my wife experiences on her required bi-weekly DEI meetings at work.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 09:33 PM | Reply

The people targeting and harassing children are

The catholic church?

#88 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-14 09:35 PM | Reply

That is not at all what my wife experiences on her required bi-weekly DEI meetings at work.
#87 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Always the victim.
Now you're being a victim on your wife's behalf.
It's absolutely pathetic.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 09:38 PM | Reply

"The people targeting and harassing children are the ones telling them to keep secrets from their parents"

^
There's plenty of awful parents who shouldn't be told things.
Plenty of parents who think they, not their children, should be making the decisions in their children's lives.
You're a fool if you deny that.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 09:40 PM | Reply

Truth, if people didn't find what Libs posted to be slightly creepy and sometimes revolting no one in society would care. People share videos every second, but the ones she shares are simply from your best and brightest. I don't understand why you're offended?

Here's the easiest way to settle this, are you okay with the what the content creators post that she just happens to repost? Or are you offended by the fact she's shining a light on it? What's the real issue here?

#91 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 09:41 PM | Reply

The people targeting and harassing children are the ones telling them to keep secrets from their parents and are pushing hormones, chemicals and mutilating surgeries on minors who are struggling to figure out how to just fit in.

#86 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Why don't you ask the kids being harassed who is harassing them?

But you know better.

A normal person would reflect on their actions.

#92 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 09:46 PM | Reply

Truth, if people didn't find what Libs posted to be slightly creepy and sometimes revolting no one in society would care. People share videos every second, but the ones she shares are simply from your best and brightest. I don't understand why you're offended?
Here's the easiest way to settle this, are you okay with the what the content creators post that she just happens to repost? Or are you offended by the fact she's shining a light on it? What's the real issue here?

#91 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Blue do you understand that you are on a thread about a non-binary child who killed herself, more than likely, due to harassment they received at school. In the state where the Libs of Tiktok ------- is employed in the state's school system and said woman inspired bomb threats at schools.

You understand that right? that this might not be the place to defend such a person, right?

Maybe YOU should reflect on your life choices

#93 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 09:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You were the one trying to place blame on the Libs of TikTok lady, I'm simply asking you what offends you more ... The behavior of the Left when it comes to kids? Or the fact that someone is shining a light on it. This should be a very easy question to answer.

#94 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 09:52 PM | Reply

www.advocate.com

Just to give you an opportunity to educate yourself on the libs of tiktok lady

#95 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 09:54 PM | Reply

You were the one trying to place blame on the Libs of TikTok lady, I'm simply asking you what offends you more ... The behavior of the Left when it comes to kids? Or the fact that someone is shining a light on it. This should be a very easy question to answer.

#94 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES A

The one shining the light on it is an ignorant bigot and you know that.

#96 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 09:55 PM | Reply

"I know you grew up in a sort of a more conservative community. Did you know any LGBTQ people growing up? What was your exposure to that community?" Lorenz asked.

"I never really paid attention to it," Raichik replied, dismissing LGBTQ+ people as a group she only recently learned about through videos online.

This is who you're defending -------. This is your "shiner of light" She doesn't know LGBTQ people and only recently learned about them through videos online.

Contemptible is too kind a word.

But, you're ok with the bomb threats that follow her posts, aren't you?

#97 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 09:57 PM | Reply

Okay so you're offended by the fact that she's exposing wackos within your own party? Interesting ... . Thanks for clarifying.

#98 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 09:59 PM | Reply

"A lot of LGBTQ people say that your posts cause an enormous amount of pain. How does that make you feel?" Lorenz asked.

"How does it make you feel that your reporting on me causes me pain?" Raichik replied.

"I feel sad for that, honestly," Lorenz said, prompting Raichik to inquire, "So would you stop?"

"No, I'm a journalist, and you're a public figure, but I'm just talking about these nonpublic figures," Lorenz said before Raichik cut her off.

A conservative must first and foremost be a victim.

#99 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 10:00 PM | Reply

Okay so you're offended by the fact that she's exposing wackos within your own party? Interesting ... . Thanks for clarifying.

#98 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

She's not exposing whackos she is terrorizing ordinary people.

A normal person understands that.

An abnormal person will shrug when a person targeted by her is murdered.

Where do you stand on that line?

#100 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 10:01 PM | Reply

Normal people do not post to the Internet the things she reposts, let's just make that very clear.

#101 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 10:04 PM | Reply

Normal people do not post to the Internet the things she reposts, let's just make that very clear.

#101 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Stuff like Elementary School bulletin boards with pride flags or a non-binary person just living or wallowing in the pain of "liberals" or a library having a "banned books week" or doxxing people or gaslighting medical professionals into thinking having a discussion about gender with their patient's parents is somehow wrong or .....

you're either on the side of bullies or the side of angels, I know which side I choose

#102 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 10:08 PM | Reply

Are you fine with a 12 year old boy being put on puberty blockers and having his -------- removed so he can transition into being a woman?

#103 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 10:10 PM | Reply

#103 disagree with Truthhurts and you are an evil person. It's not limited to this topic.

#104 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-14 10:11 PM | Reply

Who is this 12 year old?

I see a story about an Australian child born with both genitalia (that will not compute that situation) who had his male genitalia removed and a 12 year old Nigerian boy who had -------- reconstructed after an accident but no no stories about a 12 year old on puberty blockers and -------- removed, sorry.

Are you lying?

#105 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 10:14 PM | Reply

#103 disagree with Truthhurts and you are an evil person. It's not limited to this topic.

#104 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You still reflecting on supporting bullies? Or are you seeking therapy for the reverse racism of CRT?

#106 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 10:15 PM | Reply

- Are you lying?

I though Bluewhiffles was older than 12, but hey, this does explain a lot....

#107 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-14 10:17 PM | Reply

Im just curious why you think you are better suited to make the decision for gender affirming care than the child, their family and their medical professionals?

#108 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 10:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember, jeff considers the wounds suffered by DEI and CRT to be equal or worse than the bullying suffered by LGBTQ children. Keep in mind that in the past few years states with anti-lgbtq laws have seen a quadrupling of hate crimes targeting lgbtq children in k-12. But having to learn that slavery was the cause of the civil war is far far more traumatic

#109 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-14 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

108

They are Big Authoritarian Government Trumpublicans.

They'll be telling people when to and how to pee before long.

#110 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-14 10:19 PM | Reply

Are you fine with a 12 year old boy being put on puberty blockers and having his -------- removed so he can transition into being a woman?
#103 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Not if she comes out like you did!

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-14 10:23 PM | Reply

It's okay Truth, just like those offended by LibsofTikTok you don't want to admit you're perfectly fine with a doctor cutting of a child's -------- so you have to deflect and not actually address a straightforward question. Just admit you're okay with it because at least everyone will know where you stand on the subject.

#112 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 10:27 PM | Reply

112 is a whiny non-answer to 105

But it translate as a, "Yes, I'm lying."

#113 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-14 10:29 PM | Reply

I know which side I choose

#102 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Your side is where posters who intentionally try to out the identity of another poster are firmly entrenched.

That's the side you choose.

And there aren't any angels there.

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 10:33 PM | Reply

Ah I see Corky is also totally okay with having the rainbow haired teacher load the school bus up and taking all the 6th graders to the local gender reaffirming clinic for botched ------- mutilation procedures.

Just so we are totally clear, if someone is 18 and wants to cut off whatever they would like bc it makes them feel like that's how they can live their true "identity," I don't really care. That said, I won't be playing the pronoun game with them but as an adult it's their right in terms of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to cut off whatever they want.

#115 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 10:37 PM | Reply

115

Assigning made up positions to others is what people with no actual valid arguments have to do, just to try to stay relevant.

Which bus left the station without you some time ago.

#116 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-14 10:42 PM | Reply

-Assigning made up positions to others is what people with no actual valid arguments have to do, just to try to stay relevant.

Oh yes...and I know how much that really bothers you.

#117 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 10:44 PM | Reply

Corky, that is your view on the matter and you know it.

#118 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 10:45 PM | Reply

-Assigning made up positions to others is what people with no actual valid arguments have to do, just to try to stay relevant.

Ouch, you just slapped the ---- right out of snoofy, speaksoftly, drunken savage, --------, clownshart, and Twooth's mouths.

#119 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 10:46 PM | Reply

-Interesting that hate filled -------- like bluewaffles cannot see how they are truly evil targetting and harrassing children.

Can you at least try to not enjoy this so much?

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 10:49 PM | Reply

www.nbcnews.com
^^^^^^^^^^^
This is what --------- and ---------- support.

#121 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-14 10:49 PM | Reply

I stated my position in 110 and 81.

I know you like to put a lot of, er, unusual things in your own mouth, but you should refrain from assigning positions to others... is so makes it look like you're trying too hard to be relevant to the conversation when you actually fail that miserably in most every post you ever make.

#122 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-14 10:51 PM | Reply

www.google.com

This is what ----------------- supports

#123 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 10:56 PM | Reply

Corky, easy enough to answer this question. Are you okay with teachers and parents sending their 6th graders to the gender affirming care clinic to cut off sex organs? Yes or no is easy enough.

#124 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-14 10:58 PM | Reply

"but you should refrain from assigning positions to others"

a half dozen posters here literally have nothing to post if you take this from them.

#125 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 10:58 PM | Reply

#121 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT AT 2024-03-14 10:49 PM | FLAG: This sort of thing really really really really really bothers Corky

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-14 10:59 PM | Reply

This is what --------- lives for.

www.fbi.gov

#127 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-14 11:00 PM | Reply

"among other things accuses white kids of being oppressors simply due to the color of their skin. Are you good with that?"

With you misstating the central tenets? No.

#128 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-14 11:01 PM | Reply

Are you okay with teachers and parents sending their 6th graders to the gender affirming care clinic to cut off sex organs?
#124 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Is that how you picture it works?

#129 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 12:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How young is too young for said procedure Clownshack? Just give me an age and let's see if Corky and Truth agree or disagree.

#130 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-15 12:25 AM | Reply

Interesting that hate filled -------- like bluewaffles cannot see how they are truly evil targetting and harrassing children.

It's not interesting. It's disgusting.

But that's what chreeestians do.

#131 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-03-15 07:16 AM | Reply

+W@+Waffle is representative of a disturbingly high number of ignorant @$$#013$ that make up the American citizenry

#132 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-03-15 08:13 AM | Reply

It would be cool if "conservatives" would just mind their own ------- business for once.

What business is it of yours what some random school you live 1,000 miles away from is teaching kids? If the actual parents of those kids give a ---- they can be the ones to handle it. And locals can run for school board to change things they don't like. The notion that we need to federalize or even enact statewide laws on things like how to talk about gayness because it makes some old guy in Michigan uncomfortable is ludicrous. I thought you guys opposed big government thought police. Now ---- off back to your cave.

#133 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-15 08:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

133

Yep. They can't talk about the Demented Rapist Traitor, so they are left with trying to make decisions for parents and health care professionals.

They've all become Big Government Trumpublicans.

#134 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-15 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Corky, again when is too young in your opinion to start cutting off children's sex organs?

#135 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-15 11:35 AM | Reply

Do you really care?

#136 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-15 11:36 AM | Reply

Corky, again when is too young in your opinion to start cutting off children's sex organs?

#135 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

When does medical science say it is appropriate?

When is it appropriate to you, who has never studied medicine, psychology or spoken with a trans person?

Why are you more qualified than the medical professionals, families and person who is considering the operation?

#137 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-15 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That's a damn fine response, Truth.

#138 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-15 11:42 AM | Reply

Medical science less than 10 years ago said these people were suffering a psychiatric disorder until it was profitable via surgeries to say otherwise.

18

Refer back to the first answer.

#139 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-15 11:43 AM | Reply

My opinion doesn't mean ----, dumbass, and neither does yours or your Big Government friends'.

The difference is that I know it and you don't.

The opinions that should matter are those of the parents and the health care professionals, not mouthy idiots on the internet.

You should go back to predicting that Fani would be fired, lmao.

#140 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-15 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nex was nonbinary, not trans, and as far as I know was not transitioning, and yet she was bullied and beaten up for being different in a way that some of her classmates found threatening and offensive. Nex internalized their hatred and lost hope in the present and for the future. It didn't have to be this way.

#141 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-03-15 11:51 AM | Reply

Medical science less than 10 years ago said these people were suffering a psychiatric disorder until it was profitable via surgeries to say otherwise.

Assuming you're talking about trans people (which the subject of the thread was not), gender identity disorder was renamed to gender dysphoria in the 2013 DSM, but it was there previously and remains there today. No clue what the ---- you are even talking about as usual.

#142 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-15 12:02 PM | Reply

"Medical science less than 10 years ago said these people were suffering a psychiatric disorder.."

And before that they were "cured" by lobotomies then by taking Valium and even before that leeches! And before that they were thought to be possessed by demons.

We continue to make advances in science at a consistently accelerating pace. We've advanced more in the last 100 years than we have in thousands.

Hybrid humans and chimeras are right around the corner.

Do try and keep up! But don't have a cow!

#143 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-15 12:03 PM | Reply

Corky, again when is too young in your opinion to start cutting off children's sex organs?

POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES AT 2024-03-15 11:35 AM | REPLY

That never happens slick. You have to be 18 to have any gender affirming surgery. The most you will get under 18 is hormones and or puberty blockers.

#144 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-15 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Laura, respectfully going to disagree here. You can be under 18 and have top surgery.

www.healthline.com

As for my views on this, at 18 go be whoever you want to be. Till then, no.

#145 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-15 12:12 PM | Reply

"You can be under 18 and have top surgery."

The breasts are sex organs?!? What, now we have Republican Science???

#146 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-15 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Laura, respectfully going to disagree here. You can be under 18 and have top surgery.
www.healthline.com
As for my views on this, at 18 go be whoever you want to be. Till then, no.

POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES AT 2024-03-15 12:12 PM | REPLY

Cis gender girls under 18 have breast augmentation all of the time and nobody bats an eye. A trans kid gets top surgery and people like you have a fit. You should butt out of other people's healthcare decisions.

#147 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-15 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'm kind of tired of Christian busybodies hiding behind children to meddle in the affairs of others.

Mind your own business.

#148 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-15 12:35 PM | Reply

Laura, I am not okay with women having breast reduction surgery under the age of 18. I don't care if they're regular women or wanting to become a dude. Again age of 18 is when we've decided someone is an adult in this country and that's when we've determined someone is capable of making decisions for themselves.

Also you shouldn't use the word CIS, it's like White people calling Black people the N-word.

#149 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-15 12:41 PM | Reply

Also you shouldn't use the word CIS, it's like White people calling Black people the N-word.

POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES AT 2024-03-15 12:41 PM | REPLY

Your ignorance is showing. Not surprising.

#150 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-15 12:43 PM | Reply

"Cis gender girls under 18 have breast augmentation all of the time and nobody bats an eye."

That's simply not true.

#151 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-03-15 12:57 PM | Reply

Also you shouldn't use the word CIS, it's like White people calling Black people the N-word.

#149 | Posted by Bluewaffles

Sure. And obama wearing a tan suit is just like trump trying to overthrow democracy.

#152 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-15 01:07 PM | Reply

I am not okay with women

We know.

#153 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-15 01:09 PM | Reply

"And before that they were "cured" by lobotomies then by taking Valium and even before that leeches! And before that they were thought to be possessed by demons.

We continue to make advances in science at a consistently accelerating pace. We've advanced more in the last 100 years than we have in thousands."

You wouldn't know that by coming here and reading what's posted.

You'd think we went backwards in the same time frame by 80% of what's posted here.

#154 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 01:18 PM | Reply

you shouldn't use the word CIS, it's like White people calling Black people the N-word.
#149 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Not surprising.

#155 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 01:18 PM | Reply

"I am not okay with women having breast reduction surgery under the age of 18."

Then don't get your breasts reduced until you're older.

Problem solved.

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-15 01:27 PM | Reply

You'd think we went backwards in the same time frame by 80% of what's posted here.
#154 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Deplorables are going backwards in time.
That's what we were hoping you would notice.

Vaccines, for example. We are hoping you can see that Deplorables are going backwards in time when it comes to vaccines.

Can you see it? Of course.
Can you be bothered to care about it? Probably not.

#157 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-15 01:29 PM | Reply

I am not okay with women having breast reduction surgery under the age of 18.
#149 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Who gives a shht what you're okay with.

The world doesn't revolve around you.

I knew a girl in high school who was a straight, heterosexual girl who got breast reduction surgery because she constantly had back pain from having huge breasts.

She was a lot happier afterwards.

Your approval isn't necessary.

Take care of yourself and let others do the same.

#158 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"We continue to make advances in science at a consistently accelerating pace. We've advanced more in the last 100 years than we have in thousands."

We... What's this "We" nonsense?

Republicans reject science on Evolution, Global Warming, Gun Violence, Teen Pregnancy, Vaccines. Just off the top of my head.

"We" continue to make advances in science despite Republican opposition -- not with Republican support.

You should think about that while you go ---- yourself!

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-15 01:46 PM | Reply

"That's what we were hoping you would notice."

what's this "we' nonsense?

#160 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 02:01 PM | Reply

159

You realize you just told Donner to go ---- himself, right?

#161 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 02:07 PM | Reply

what's this "we' nonsense?
#160 | POSTED BY EBERLY

^
Pronouns: The exciting new way for Republicans to be Victims!

#162 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-15 02:07 PM | Reply

This story breaks my heart. A completely utterly avoidable tragedy brought on solely by hate filled bigotry directed at a sensitive human being. This assault in the bathroom was clearly the last straw that led to this sad end.

#10 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-03-14 12:09 PM | FLAG:

"Nex, who preferred they/them pronouns, was biologically female, meaning they were complying with the bathroom rule at the time of the fight. Furthermore, Nex's own account of the incident during a police interview at a local hospital the day of the altercation indicates that the fight's location was incidental."

Nex, who was a 16-year-old sophomore, said three freshman girls with whom they had never interacted before had a problem with them and their friend "because of the way that we dress," although the basis for that supposition is unclear. The specific impetus for the fight was the three freshman girls' mockery of the way that Nex and their friend were laughing. "They had said something like, 'Why do they laugh like that?'" Nex told a police officer. "They were talking about us in front of us. And so I went up there and I poured water on them. And then all three of them came at me."

#163 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-15 02:10 PM | Reply

"Addressing Sue Benedict, the officer said he would "absolutely" take a report if that is what she wanted. "But I'm just letting you know, if the other party wants to do the same thing ... the assault will be on her as well, because she first assaulted. She was the one who initiated it, essentially, because you've got freedom of speech ... [but] the moment she threw that water, you've now assaulted somebody. You've made the first jab. It doesn't make it right, but they defended themselves, quote unquote. You retaliated back. Now we've got this back and forth, when both parties had an equal opportunity to separate."

"It has never been clear whether Nex's gender identity was a factor in the altercation in the school bathroom," Sandoval now concedes. But his earlier story strongly implied that state policies, and the bathroom law in particular, had precipitated the fight, even though Nex was complying with the law at the time"a fact that Sandoval and Goodman did not mention, perhaps because that would have required acknowledging Nex's "birth gender."

#164 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-15 02:11 PM | Reply

Terrible reporting by NYT. Doesn't fit any of the police details or the kids own statements about the incident.

#165 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-15 02:12 PM | Reply

"had a problem with them and their friend "because of the way that we dress,"

^
Oklahoma Taliban.

"But his earlier story strongly implied that state policies, and the bathroom law in particular, had precipitated the fight"

Yeah. Those are the laws that emboldened the terrorists.

#166 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-15 02:21 PM | Reply

Medical science less than 10 years ago said these people were suffering a psychiatric disorder until it was profitable via surgeries to say otherwise.
18
Refer back to the first answer.

#139 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Even though that is not true, medical science until recently considered homosexuality was abnormal.

Science is still striving to rid itself of religious based nonsense.

#167 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-15 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Poor kid. American Christian Taliban strikes again!

#168 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-03-15 02:44 PM | Reply

"They had said something like, 'Why do they laugh like that?'" Nex told a police officer. "They were talking about us in front of us. And so I went up there and I poured water on them. And then all three of them came at me."

So, contrary to what some have suggested, they were not assaulted because of their skin colour.

#169 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-03-15 03:16 PM | Reply

binary - zeros and ones, and now this teen is just a zero. : (

#170 | Posted by MSgt at 2024-03-15 05:27 PM | Reply

CRT is a completely fabricated controversy. Anyone who conflates DEI and CRT is intellectually dishonest. DEI programs INCLUDE white people, it's in the acronym. To make the case that DEI excludes anyone is indicative of either personal bigotry or willful ignorance ... my money is on the bigotry angle, given the direction of comments here ...

#171 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-03-15 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" It would be cool if "conservatives" would just mind their own ------- business for once.

What business is it of yours what some random school you live 1,000 miles away from is teaching kids? If the actual parents of those kids give a ---- they can be the ones to handle it. And locals can run for school board to change things they don't like. The notion that we need to federalize or even enact statewide laws on things like how to talk about gayness because it makes some old guy in Michigan uncomfortable is ludicrous. I thought you guys opposed big government thought police. Now ---- off back to your cave.

#133 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2024-03-15 08:13 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY"

Does that apply to the left wing freak out of "don't say gay,", or is that (D)ifferent?

#172 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-15 05:54 PM | Reply

Does that apply to the left wing freak out of "don't say gay,", or is that (D)ifferent?

#172 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I see jeff has not reflected on how his actions contributed to this tragedy.

#173 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-15 06:17 PM | Reply

I see jeff has not reflected on how his actions contributed to this tragedy.

Whaddabout is his go to.

#174 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-15 06:22 PM | Reply

jeff has not reflected

Of course he hasn't.

He's not here to reflect.

He's only here to troll.

#175 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 06:22 PM | Reply

Whaddabout is his go to.

POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-03-15 06:22 PM | REPLY

It's all he has left. Sadly

#176 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-15 06:23 PM | Reply

Jeff. And people like Jeff. Are responsible for the suffering LGBTQ+ people suffer from.

Every suicide is another notch on their belt.

#177 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 06:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#17 that's because my actions HAVEN'T contributed to a tragedy.

No amount of insipid accusations is going to change that.

#178 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-15 07:07 PM | Reply

" Whaddabout is his go to.

#174 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-03-15 06:22 PM | FLAG: "

It's called a consistent standard. Joe played the "mind your own business" card so I called him out on it.

But that will never prevent you from biting my ankle.

#179 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-15 07:09 PM | Reply

It's called a consistent standard.

Sure thing, Kellyanne.

#180 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-15 07:11 PM | Reply

"don't say gay,"

Republicans are quick to deny the existence of things they don't like. From Global Warming to Gay Marriage.

Not letting teachers say "gay" works the same way.

#181 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-15 07:11 PM | Reply

#180. I'm not the one telling others on a political blog to one their own business, dufus.

#182 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-15 07:23 PM | Reply

#17 that's because my actions HAVEN'T contributed to a tragedy.
No amount of insipid accusations is going to change that.

#178 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hate crimes targeting LGBTQ students have quadrupled in the last few years in states with anti-lgbtq laws.

You support anti-lgbtq laws.

Calls to LGBTQ centered suicide prevention and crisis lines have doubled in past couple of years.

The kids who are calling are specifically stating that the anti-lgbtq laws are causing their fears and anxieties.

You support anti-lgbtq laws.

A healthy person with a functioning conscience would read that and reflect.

You choose to claim you're not at fault.

#183 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-15 07:46 PM | Reply

#180. I'm not the one telling others on a political blog to one their own business, dufus.

#182 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No, you're the one who apparently is drunk blogging, which is pathetic

#184 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-15 07:47 PM | Reply

Give it a rest.

#185 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-15 07:56 PM | Reply

Twoothy thinks he's being taken seriously with this hysterical drama.

#186 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 07:59 PM | Reply

It's trolling and nothing more

#187 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 08:00 PM | Reply

I was just saying to myself, it's odd Eberly isn't showing up to defend BellRinger.

And here you are.

#188 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 08:03 PM | Reply

And clown. When he's not ---- trolling at the local truck stop, he's here ... ..trolling.

Or maybe he's currently doing both

#189 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 08:05 PM | Reply

Multitasking.

#190 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 08:11 PM | Reply

Which action is more likely to have occurred?

1. Bell bullied or supported the bullying of a LGBTQ student?
2. Twoothy tried to out the personal identity of a poster here?

Hint ... .1 of those ACTUALLY occurred.

#191 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"my actions HAVEN'T contributed to a tragedy."

Huh? Your votes helped enable it. You realize your "votes" are actions, right?

#192 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-15 08:23 PM | Reply

Danforth,

Quit trying to troll.

#193 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-15 08:41 PM | Reply

"my actions HAVEN'T contributed to a tragedy."

^
Well this is a refreshing change from:

"If you drive a car, it shows you don't REALLY believe in global warming."

#194 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-15 08:46 PM | Reply

So, contrary to what some have suggested, they were not assaulted because of their skin colour.

#169 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT

She could have opened up her wrists on the spot and it wouldn't change the way you sick ----- feel about it.

She deserves to be dead.

Got it.

Now ---- off.

All of you.

#195 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-15 08:46 PM | Reply

-Your votes helped enable it.

Which ones?

#196 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 08:50 PM | Reply

"Which ones?"

I can't imagine.

#197 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-15 09:11 PM | Reply

"Quit trying to troll."

Quit lying to yourself.

Lying to us is plenty.

#198 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-15 09:12 PM | Reply

And I'm supposed to trust an Oklahoma medical examiner?

Nope. Not gonna happen. If there's not an independent autopsy I'm gonna continue to think a trans kid was murdered.

As far as that goes, even if they did do something that ended up being fatal, they were murdered. We have to hold the school system and the state education department responsible.

#199 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-03-15 10:07 PM | Reply

-And I'm supposed to trust an Oklahoma medical examiner?

Oh, so when a doctor doesn't tell you what you want to believe , then they are lying.

Not gonna trust a doctor?

#200 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 10:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm supposed to trust an Oklahoma medical examiner?
Nope. Not gonna happen.

Agreed.

#201 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 10:21 PM | Reply

Not gonna trust a doctor?

It's all suspicious. From trying to write it off as nothing to making it a suicide and next it will be about mental illness.

Nex's mother wouldn't know if her child committed suicide?

#202 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 10:23 PM | Reply

LOL

You guys are the modern version of soap opera watchers.

#203 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 10:28 PM | Reply

Not gonna trust a doctor?

Ladapo's a doctor.
Ronny Jackson's a doctor.
Christiane Northrup's a doctor.
Rashid Buttar is a doctor.
Joseph Mercola's a doctor.
Simone Gold - oh my god - is a doctor.
My favorite? Sherri Tenpenny. With a name like Tenpenny you just have to appreciate the irony of her saying that the COVID vaccine causes magnetism.

The list is long. Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.

#204 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-15 10:31 PM | Reply

I would trust the ME over everyone else

Students
School officials
Law enforcement
Parents
Media

Just admit you have to be spoon fed what you want to be the truth.

#205 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 10:31 PM | Reply

State Medical Examiner Indicted for Lying; Participated in a Third of Death Row Cases
deathpenaltyinfo.org

Disastrous errors by medical examiners have raised questions about whether they are influenced by prejudgments and a close relationship with the police.
www.nytimes.com

How Medical Examiners Shield Violent Cops From Scrutiny
They wield the important power of determining a victim's manner of death"but they're susceptible to both political pressure and racial bias.
newrepublic.com

IMEs (Independent Medical Exams) are conducted by doctors who regularly work for insurance companies. These doctors want to make the insurance company happy so that they can continue getting these lucrative exams referred to them. That means their reports to the insurance company tend to minimize the extent of accident victims' injuries, and mistakes can be made. On some occasions the doctors flat out lie.
www.eglaw.com

Hmm.

#206 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-15 10:35 PM | Reply

-Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.

Ok. And climate experts, abortion doctors, etc?

We don't need no stinkin authority.

#207 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 10:36 PM | Reply

Yav the ballerina is going to keep spinning until this ME tells him what he wants to hear

So cut to it ... ..what do you want to hear?

What is the conclusion you need to be told?

#208 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 10:38 PM | Reply

What's your profession, Yav?

Can I find someone in your profession on the internet that's acted improperly in order to justify not trusting you?

#209 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 10:40 PM | Reply

Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.
#204 | POSTED BY YAV

Major medical associations in the United States, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and others agree that gender-affirming care is safe, effective, beneficial and medically necessary.
~ Yav

LMAO

#210 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-15 10:43 PM | Reply

210

LOL

Not anymore. No more trust.

#211 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 10:45 PM | Reply

EBERLY

Why you so triggered?

#212 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-03-15 10:52 PM | Reply

Rusty, so the ME isn't telling you what you want to hear?

Too bad ... ..

#213 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-15 10:55 PM | Reply

Eberly is tagging in for BellRinger.

#214 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-15 11:07 PM | Reply

My favorite? Sherri Tenpenny. With a name like Tenpenny you just have to appreciate the irony of her saying that the COVID vaccine causes magnetism.

The list is long. Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.

#204 | Posted by YAV

I had a friendly acquaintance named Tony Tenpenny. I discovered he was a right winger during the Tea Party era, and we'd banter every time I saw him at our local polling station, me putting facts out there until he'd heard enough.

When COVID hit, Tony was on FB every day for a few weeks: "the government isn't gonna make ME wear a mask!" etc.

I died shortly afterwards of COVID in an ICU and left a wife and young son behind.

#215 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-16 12:26 AM | Reply

Everyone STFU after Yav really stepped in it.

Actually you all did.

You all admitted you don't really believe doctors unless they tell you what you want to hear

Quite telling, actually.

Politics and partisanship ... .. NOTHING is more powerful.

#216 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 01:07 AM | Reply

everyone went to bed bored from your sad attempts to save jeff again, you egomaniac.

#217 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-16 07:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Everyone STFU after Yav really stepped in it.

I went to bed. I guess I have to post the entire logical fallacy and how it's used so you can, maybe?, possibly?, understand how it is used and misused?

Or not bother at all and let morons like oneironaut who constantly steps in it and never, ever learns go on as they will.

The appeal to authority becomes a logical fallacy when we're asked to believe, based only on the title of, or statement that someone in a position where "authority" is conveyed, automatically means that what they say is true and is not to be challenged.

I gave examples of entire organizations that have science and studies behind them that came to their findings based on good medical and psychological practices. Each has a body of work behind them to support their organizations position. This is vastly different than saying "oh, he's an ME so his word is gospel!" A single unknown ME has no such broad base, and to assume simply on title of that one individual that his word is true, honest, and overrides every one else's view is an example of the fallacy. Could the ME be accurate? Yes, but that requires a history, investigation, and being honest. I gave examples of single MEs over and over failing that test.

Oneisrot then came back with a sham organization with nothing backing it but money from right-wingers whose entire mission is to mislead and promote a right-wing ideology, devoid of and without any actual science, study, thought, or care.

This isn't complicated. Oneisrot I get not having a clue about any of this. That poster's an idiot. But Eberly? I did expect you to at least sort of understand.

#218 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-16 10:19 AM | Reply

Yav, you don't question those authorities. That's the point.

Until they tell you something that's inconvenient for you to accept.

"This isn't complicated"

Then stop trying to make it complicated.

Are you really unable to see you're the one complicating it?

Not me.

Just admit it. You don't like it. Period.

It's not about trust. It's about ... ..:you don't like it.

#219 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 11:15 AM | Reply

But I'll remember this the next time you lay down and accept the authority you pretend you're questioning right now

#220 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 11:20 AM | Reply

"You all admitted you don't really believe doctors unless they tell you what you want to hear"

Just because a doctor has a license to practice in Oklahoma doesn't necessarily mean he is trusted "authority" on anything.

You might want to check to see how many states his license has been revoked in first. (Which is purposely not an easy thing to do)

A 2016 analysis found that doctors caused more than 250,000 deaths a year in the US.

According to a 2018 report by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, at least 500 doctors who have been publicly disciplined, chastised or barred from practicing by one state medical board have been allowed practice elsewhere with a clean license.

Unfortunately there is no "doctor fax" available to consumers of medical care like there is for cars.

John Oliver addressed this in a recent show.

youtu.be

#221 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-16 11:34 AM | Reply

"DEI/CRT does nothing of the sort, liar."

To pretend there are no toxic aspects or elements in the DEI movement is just as dishonest as claiming those elements represent of all of DEI.

#222 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-03-16 11:51 AM | Reply

What aspects are those?

#223 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 11:55 AM | Reply

-Just because a doctor has a license to practice in Oklahoma doesn't necessarily mean he is trusted "authority" on anything.

That's how I feel. But here ... ..doctors are trusted when they tell you what you want to hear.

That's the standard.

Nothing else. People are allowing a hot sensitive political issue cast doubt on what a medical examiner says.

Without knowing anything about this person. They've done nothing to justify the lack of trust except 1. Being from Oklahoma and 2. Told you what you didn't want to hear.

Let's not keep lying to ourselves acting like you suddenly don't trust the medical community or science.

#224 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 12:18 PM | Reply

"A 2016 analysis found that doctors caused more than 250,000 deaths a year in the US.

According to a 2018 report by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, at least 500 doctors who have been publicly disciplined, chastised or barred from practicing by one state medical board have been allowed practice elsewhere with a clean license."

Good grief. I can't tell the difference between you and a Republican legislator in a red state going after doctors they don't trust.

#225 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 12:21 PM | Reply

"To pretend there are no toxic aspects or elements in the DEI movement ... "

The only thing toxic about DEI is what republicans have poisoned it with. Their own hate.

It's the same with racial equality and affirmative actions.

The whole effort to help those who were enslaved because of their race and who have been prevented from engaging as equals in our society by racists has been poisoned by racists who are crying racism and "reverse racism" to stop any efforts to give blacks any help at recovery from 300 years of slavery and gaining an equal footing in society.

#226 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-16 12:34 PM | Reply

Don't forget to flagellate yourself and say ten Hail Mary's for your sins.

#227 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-03-16 12:41 PM | Reply

Good grief. I can't tell the difference between you and a Republican legislator in a red state going after doctors they don't trust.
#225 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Sounds like a personal problem.

There are some obvious signs of an untrustworthy doctor. One of the first signs is they are ant vax like the surgeon general of Floriduh. The guy has an Md and a PHD and sounds like a kook and clearly is one.

Pretty sure I would never take advice from that guy.

#228 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-16 12:45 PM | Reply

That was quite a flail, Eberly. I didn't propose anything nuanced, either. My criteria are and were clear. You wish to believe that someone with a title means they can be trusted. I call that idiotic. I have you example after example of how that's misused. You got to see it from Oneisrot's own post. I didn't invent this particular logical fallacy.

I guess the good thing to learn from this is why America's in so much trouble. Basic critical thinking is absent from way too many people.

It is cute how you are willing to go all out on this ME's "verdict" though while screaming that anyone that challenges it is being dishonest and unfair, or worse.

#229 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-16 12:52 PM | Reply

"My criteria are and were clear."

Absolutely true.

Your criteria is this ... ... ..you accept what you want to hear and you choose not to trust what you don't want to hear.

Very clear.

#230 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 01:35 PM | Reply

Argument from authority by proxy isn't very convincing.

There's a reason they say to get a second opinion.

#231 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 01:56 PM | Reply

-There are some obvious signs of an untrustworthy doctor.

Like what?

#232 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 01:59 PM | Reply

Vaxxine conspiracy theories.

#233 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-16 02:02 PM | Reply

"vaccine" stupid phone.

#234 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-16 02:03 PM | Reply

199 posts on this thread before someone decided to question the ME.

And it was because the ME is in Oklahoma.

Is anybody else questioning the ME report?

You're so invested in the outcome that you all need this to be a homicide?

#235 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 02:15 PM | Reply

233

This ME? Who is the ME? Do they even give the name of the ME? I missed it if they did.

#236 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 02:16 PM | Reply

-Basic critical thinking is absent from way too many people.

Like questioning a medical report with no cause other than you're butthurt over the results.

Facts don't matter to people like you.

Just the results you think you're entitled to.

#237 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 02:18 PM | Reply

You are quite emotional.
Odd that the first basic step of critical thinking should bother you so much.
I can site time after time when I have questioned the findings of the ME here where I live, on news articles where the FBI stated what happened, only to find out that the narrative was a lie. You seem to like to swallow whole whatever you're fed, and you get upset when someone says maybe you should chew.

All I've said is present evidence, not just the fact that an ME said it, and pointed out that there's a history of bad behavior in these kinds of things.

Do you also believe Navalny's death was exactly what that ME said it was, "sudden death syndrome" (WTF is that?)?

#238 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-16 02:27 PM | Reply

-You are quite emotional.

LOL

#239 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 02:30 PM | Reply

"Do you also believe Navalny's death was exactly what that ME said it was, "sudden death syndrome" (WTF is that?)?"

Hundreds of millions of people are questioning that.

5 blowhards on this blog are questioning this ME.

But it was a nice attempt to make a fair comparison.

No ... ... really.

#240 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 02:32 PM | Reply

Eberly is the type of person who believes black people lynch themselves.

Cause the authorities said so.

#241 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 03:03 PM | Reply

I'm just having little fun with the obvious motivations here and the obvious lack of objectivity

Now, moving on ... ... I would never exclude someone like an ME from scrutiny.

At the end of the day I want the truth.

So let's discuss how the ME's report is potentially not the truth.

Why lie? To protect the kids from criminal prosecution?

Protect the school from litigation?

Am I warm?

#242 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 03:10 PM | Reply

"I'm just having little fun with the obvious motivations here and the obvious lack of objectivity"

Why not.

Why not have a little fun on the topic of a dead kid.

#243 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

ouch

#244 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-16 03:16 PM | Reply

Why lie?

Probably to dehumanize them. Cast them aside as mentally ill.

LGBTQ+ person dying as a result of the constant hate being spread by republicans and their policies resonates differently than "teen commits suicide".

The mother's response also reflects the fact that Nex didn't commit suicide.

Hate will cause people to do things normal people couldn't fathom.

#245 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 03:21 PM | Reply

Last year we had a woman that either was murdered or committed suicide. She was an activist and a thorn in the side of some higher-ups and the police. The ME office run by the police department said she committed suicide. Family and friends, and those that followed her social media all screamed out about it saying there was no way she committed suicide. The police shut it down and to this day the autopsy hasn't been released.

Not the first time here, either. The history of lynchings and cover-up has been going on for decades.

There's the murder of Elijah McClain. That ME said "oh, he could have died from natural causes, or maybe a homicide related to the carotid hold, or maybe just an accident." That was enough to not charge the police and to let them off - until the outcry grew and grew. The autopsy report was then amended stating that new information, video, witness statements, additional records had been received.

officeofthecoroner.com

That resulted in charges against one officer (acquitted {smh}) and two paramedics (Roedema, guilty, Rosenblatt, acquitted, then fired for being a d-bag).

I work hard to confront my confirmation bias. I constantly re-examine the premise under which I operate. I understand how it's easy to throw that charge in an attempt to discredit my view. It doesn't bother me.

#246 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-16 03:23 PM | Reply

-Cast them aside as mentally ill.

Calling it suicide vs homicide?

So the ME isn't a corrupt bureaucrat but rather an anti-trans bigot?

#247 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 03:24 PM | Reply

-Why not have a little fun on the topic of a dead kid.

You don't give 2 ----- about this kid.

Anybody here who used this tragedy as an excuse to attack a poster here doesn't either.

Not one bit.

#248 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 03:26 PM | Reply

So the ME isn't a corrupt bureaucrat but rather an anti-trans bigot?

The difference being?

#249 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 03:26 PM | Reply

-The mother's response also reflects the fact that Nex didn't commit suicide.

Oh, your past not trusting the ME.

You're sure the ME is lying.

Gotcha.

#250 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 03:27 PM | Reply

I'm just considering all the possible motivations for the ME to be lying.

#251 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 03:28 PM | Reply

"I work hard to confront my confirmation bias. I constantly re-examine the premise under which I operate. I understand how it's easy to throw that charge in an attempt to discredit my view. It doesn't bother me."

Nobody cares if you're wrong either.

There is nobody who holds you to any standard of being accurate.

#252 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 03:31 PM | Reply

There is nobody who holds you to any standard of being accurate.

#252 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2024-03-16 03:31 PM | REPLY

Well get to it then.

#253 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-16 03:42 PM | Reply

Am I warm?
#242 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yup. Just like fresh P.

#254 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-16 03:48 PM | Reply

You seem to like to swallow whole whatever you're fed, and you get upset when someone says maybe you should chew.
#238 | Posted by YAV

Really? [tenor]
Really? [falsetto]

#255 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-03-16 03:53 PM | Reply

"You don't give 2 ----- about this kid."

The kid is a symptom.

Republicans are the cause:

"Local lawmakers have come under fire for anti-LGBTQ legislation and rhetoric following Benedict's death, with open calls for removals against Oklahoma State Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters, who has spoken out in favor of anti-LGBTQ policies."

#256 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

254

Now THAT is being emotional.

Yav will be along anytime to address that with you.

#257 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 04:25 PM | Reply

Local lawmakers have come under fire for anti-LGBTQ legislation and rhetoric following Benedict's death, with open calls for removals against Oklahoma State Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters, who has spoken out in favor of anti-LGBTQ policies."

Gee, I wonder why the ME would be lying?

#258 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 04:32 PM | Reply

#257 - He's 100% correct. Republicans here have created and fostered hate. This stuff has always existed, and we made progress towards people being more comfortable standing up for themselves. But that goes against the very core of "conservatism" - which I hope I don't need to give you a definition of.

A statement of fact as was done in #256 is not being emotional.

You seem very confused. Perhaps your confirmation bias is not permitting you to step back and view things objectively?

#259 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-16 04:34 PM | Reply

eberly has demands, yav. he insists that you attack donnerboy for him.

because he cant fight his own battles.

#260 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-16 04:37 PM | Reply

-Gee, I wonder why the ME would be lying?

How does ruling the cause of death a suicide exonerate the state superintendent or Oklahoma republican lawmakers for their anti-LGBTQ acts?

#261 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 04:42 PM | Reply

260

It's not a fair fight.

You need at least a dozen more people, wimp

Look, I'm all for scrutiny. I'd you think the ME is lying then fine.

I can't prove he/she isn't. This is a pointless argument.

But you've never been able to keep up with subjects anyway, Alex.

#262 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 04:45 PM | Reply

youre always the subject, eberly.

by design.

#263 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-16 04:48 PM | Reply

"How does ruling the cause of death a suicide exonerate the state superintendent or Oklahoma republican lawmakers for their anti-LGBTQ acts?"

Exonaerate is your word.

Teens kill themselves all the time, and not just over anti-LGBTQ acts.

This ruling rolls out the red carpet for people like JeffJ and Eberly to advance the narrative that teens kill themselves all the time, and not just over Republican attacks on LGBTQ teens.

You're one step away from saying Republicans had nothing to do with it. JeffJ has been saying that before the body was cool.

Get it?

#264 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 04:48 PM | Reply

-This ruling rolls out the red carpet for people like JeffJ and Eberly to advance the narrative that teens kill themselves all the time, and not just over Republican attacks on LGBTQ teens.

You already tried and convicted Bell for this students murder.

I don't care about that.

You know the ME is lying. The ME is an anti trans bigot for not ruling this a homicide.

Gotcha. Let's just leave it at that.

#265 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 05:17 PM | Reply

-youre always the subject, eberly.

How does Yav's diaper taste?

You didn't have to help him eat it just because oneiron rubbed it in pretty hard.

#266 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 05:19 PM | Reply

"You already tried and convicted Bell for this students murder."

Your vagina just weeps for poor JeffJ.

#267 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 05:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

267

You brought him up. Not me. I'm just trying to move on to the lying ME.

#268 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 05:35 PM | Reply

How does ruling the cause of death a suicide exonerate the state superintendent or Oklahoma republican lawmakers for their anti-LGBTQ acts?
#261 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Because the suicide will be ignored as mental illness and not as a result of the GOP's anti LGBTQ policies.

Obviously they were mentally il, right? Why else would they identify as non binary, right?

Just ask Jeff, he and the rest of the MAGA bigots will tell you anything other than heterosexuality is a mental disorder.

#269 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 06:43 PM | Reply

-Because the suicide will be ignored as mental illness and not as a result of the GOP's anti LGBTQ policies

People usually accept bullying as a typical cause of suicides.

But I get what you're saying.

#270 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-16 06:47 PM | Reply

Bullying has been ruled out.

It had nothing to do with the bullying.

Nex just went home one day and decided to commit suicide.

It's what mentally ill people do.

Probably the parents fault for allowing Nex Benedict to live their life as a nonbinary person.

Should have the parents arrested.

#271 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 06:50 PM | Reply

#224 | Posted by eberly

Whatta ya call the medical student who graduated last in his/her class?

Doctor

#272 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-17 02:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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