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Monday, November 24, 2025

The Pentagon on Monday said that it was reviewing what it called "serious allegations of misconduct" against Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona for making a video with five other Democratic lawmakers that urged members of the military to refuse to follow unlawful orders.

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"Five of the six individuals in that video do not fall under @DeptofWar jurisdiction," Hegseth wrote." However, Mark Kelly (retired Navy Commander) is still subject to UCMJ " and he knows that."

UCMJ is the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

The Pentagon, in its own statement on X, said that a "thorough review of these allegations has been initiated to determine further actions, which may include recall to active duty for court-martial proceedings or administrative measures."

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Trump's a petty little B, and his Henchmen are unAmerican... and apparently too stupid to know the difference between legal orders and illegal orders.

Given their performance, there is NO REASON for any service member to ''assume' that an order from these Fascists is automatically legal... they've proven otherwise.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-24 01:51 PM | Reply

"serious allegations of misconduct"

There was none.

Telling the truth is protected by the 1st Amendment.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-24 02:00 PM | Reply

"further actions, which may include recall to active duty for court-martial proceedings or administrative measures."

This is Trump's desperation acting-out. Heavy handed oppression designed to intimidate rank-and-file service members but also Congress.

It come on the day when the first wave of Trump's dictatorial lawlessness has been strangled in its crib. Let's hope that this nastiness fares no better.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-24 02:04 PM | Reply

Sec Hegseth should also investigate instructors at the military academies who tech the cadets the same thing as was said in that video, i.e., do not follow illegal orders.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-24 02:05 PM | Reply

" Like DEI "

The Trump Administration has its own DEI hiring program:

Dumb, Entitled, Ignorant.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-24 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I suspect there's a contingent that wouldn't mind finishing the job on his wife either.

Let's start making pariahs of our astronauts. Fine idea.

#6 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-24 02:22 PM | Reply

Kelly investigated for advising people to obey the law?!?

Remember, Old Yeller and Pickled Pete got form.
They really do love them some war criminals.
Land of the brave and home of the free?
More like La Republica Bananera de America del Norte.

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-24 03:35 PM | Reply

Another frivolous and pointless bad faith prosecution.

A vindictive politically motivated lawsuit based in Trumpy policy of revenge and retribution. And another waste of taxpayer dollars.

Where is our Lawfare "expert" when you need him?

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-24 04:16 PM | Reply

To recall the astronaut, USN Secretary John Cartwright Phelan would have to authorize the NCIS to investigate US Senator Mark Kelly (D-AZ) and then order the USN to recall him to active duty for UCMJ.

Rich fatcat John Phelan is a former investment company CEO who never spent a day in the military. He is there to funnel contracts to insiders for Dummkopf Trumpf's "Golden Fleet," so he will no doubt find a way to pursue this ridiculous persecution.

#9 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-24 04:31 PM | Reply

Another frivolous investigation.

#10 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-11-24 04:56 PM | Reply

Trump is making the military as incompetent and vengeful as he made the DoJ.

#11 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-11-24 04:59 PM | Reply

I'm sure JClaraBelle is going to be highly upset by this blatant case of actual Lawfare.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-24 06:39 PM | Reply

" same. The "seditious six," as Secretary Pete Hegseth called the lawmakers who appeared in that video, deserved to be mocked. It's not hard to envision how Trump might have made Kelly into a laughingstock. Instead, he's making him into a martyr.

If this is the sort of "retribution" the president previewed on the campaign trail last year, it's not going to deter his critics. Worse, it indicates to persuadable voters that Trump's priorities are profoundly misplaced at a time when the public is losing patience with his administration's failure to rein in consumer costs. And so far, the revenge tour has produced no scalps of objective consequence.

The whole enterprise has been a costly waste of time."

I think that sums it up nicely.

www.nationalreview.com

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 06:42 PM | Reply

#13 Advocating that military personnel should obey illegal orders.

Why is no one surprised?

Ooooo, and with a "National Review" rationalization for the military to obey illegal orders.

Why would anyone be surprised.

#14 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-24 06:47 PM | Reply

" Ooooo, and with a "National Review" rationalization for the military to obey illegal orders"

Your reading comprehension skills are terrible if that's your takeaway.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 06:49 PM | Reply

Neither Crow or Slotkin could name any illegal orders given.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 07:19 PM | Reply

---------, your child-raping idol says the penalty for following the constitution is death.

#17 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-24 07:22 PM | Reply

Neither Crow or Slotkin could name any illegal orders given.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 07:19 PM | Reply

They don't have to.

That's not the point.

#18 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 07:42 PM | Reply

Trump's priorities are profoundly misplaced

Uhhh, No ------- ----?

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 07:43 PM | Reply

" That's not the point."

Then what is the point? Trying to weaken chain of command?

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 07:47 PM | Reply

Quoting the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), weakens chain of command now? Cool red herring!

I think Trump is freaking out about this because his boat strikes are completely illegal.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 07:49 PM | Reply

Hey, jeff...care to comment on Trump violating the Posse Comitatus Act repeatedly?

#22 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 07:57 PM | Reply

Hey, jeff...care to comment on Trump violating the Posse Comitatus Act repeatedly?

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 07:57 PM | Reply

Good luck with that.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-24 07:59 PM | Reply

Since they can't point to any illegal orders given this is a stupid political stunt that is condescending to the troops.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yawn.

Hey, maybe read the stuff you're supposed to read, isn't a political statement.

#25 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 08:09 PM | Reply

#22. I am not aware of our military arresting anyone or engaging in police activity.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 08:10 PM | Reply

I pointed to illegal orders, jeff. You have no comment because

a) you know I'm right.

or

b) you're a partisan tart.

#27 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 08:11 PM | Reply

Again, the video has no point.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 08:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#27 it's interesting that you think you found illegal orders yet the lawmakers who put together this video are saying no illegal orders were given.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 08:12 PM | Reply

#22. I am not aware of our military arresting anyone or engaging in police activity.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag

That's because you don't read real news. You do opeds from national review.

Educate yourself.

www.brennancenter.org

A federal court has ruled that President Trump's use of the National Guard around Los Angeles violates the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars the military from participating in civilian law enforcement unless doing so has been expressly authorized by Congress. U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer ordered the administration to stop using soldiers in California for activities such as arrests, searches, traffic or crowd control, and interrogation.

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Again, the video has no point.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag

You have no point, beyond slamming democrats and carrying trumps illegal water. 24/7.

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 08:14 PM | Reply

I'm done with you tonight. Your scalp is worthless cuz anyone can take it.

You've sequestered yourself in an alternate reality.

#32 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 08:14 PM | Reply

#22. I am not aware of our military arresting anyone or engaging in police activity.
#26 | Posted by BellRinger

You're not aware President Trump has deployed National Guard from several states to stand on street corners in Washington, D.C.?

Washington DC's mayor, Muriel Bowser, appeared to bow to Donald Trump's military occupation of the nation's capital on Tuesday, signing an executive order that formalizes cooperation with federal forces even as residents push back against the city's takeover.
www.theguardian.com

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 08:26 PM | Reply

Yeah, trump is the only president to have violated the posse comitatus act in LA AND DC at the same time.

AKA what jeff voted for.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 08:27 PM | Reply

kfoxtv.com

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 08:27 PM | Reply

Since they can't point to any illegal orders given this is a stupid political stunt that is condescending to the troops.
#24 | Posted by BellRinger

I will point to an illegal order:

Judge rules Trump's National Guard deployment to D.C. is illegal
www.cbsnews.com

You will go away now.

Good bye.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-24 08:29 PM | Reply

" A federal court has ruled that President Trump's use of the National Guard"

Well ... ...

" Applicability: The law applies to the Army and Air Force, but not the National Guard. "

#37 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 08:44 PM | Reply

So two JUDGES are wrong, and jeff is right.

Dude, you got clubbed like a baby seal tonight.

#38 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-24 08:46 PM | Reply

- I am not aware
#26 | Posted by BellRinger

Talk about stating the always obvious!

Trumpers are like that, though; oblivious to the thoroughly evil POS they've foisted on America.

He was already rated the Worst President Ever when he was elected. Now he's proving it.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-24 08:48 PM | Reply

Applicability: The law applies to the Army and Air Force, but not the National Guard. "

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 08:44 PM | Reply

Yes, the National Guard can make arrests, but under specific circumstances depending on who has command and the applicable laws, such as the Posse Comitatus Act. When under state control (e.g., activated by a governor), National Guard members can perform law enforcement duties and make arrests within that state. However, federalized National Guard troops (under presidential control) are restricted by the Posse Comitatus Act and can only arrest in situations where they are specifically authorized, such as by the Insurrection Act or if they are deputized by a law enforcement agency.
Under state control
A state governor can activate the National Guard to perform law enforcement duties, including making arrests.
This is an exception to the restrictions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement.
Examples include situations where National Guard troops are deployed to enforce state laws or respond to emergencies within their state.
Under federal control
The Posse Comitatus Act generally prohibits the use of federal military forces, including the National Guard, for domestic law enforcement.
Federalized National Guard troops are subject to this restriction and cannot make arrests unless a specific exception applies.
One exception is when the president invokes the Insurrection Act, which allows for the use of military forces for domestic law enforcement.
Another exception is if the troops are deputized by a state or federal law enforcement agency.
Even without the power to make full arrests, federalized troops can sometimes temporarily detain individuals until civilian law enforcement arrives to take custody.
The DC National Guard
The DC National Guard has a unique status because it can be controlled by the President as its commander-in-chief, and is not subject to the same federal restrictions as the rest of the National Guard.
Because of this, the DC National Guard is authorized to perform law enforcement duties like traffic control, crowd management, and making arrests, and can also temporarily detain individuals until federal, state, or city law enforcement arrives.

#40 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-24 08:49 PM | Reply

Perry "bell boi" Mason is exactly like the public bathroom troll and panty inspector, Nancy Mace:

They both ---------- to the cruelty of the administration they see on television.

Then vomit their approval for all to see, proud of their regurgitation.

#41 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-24 08:58 PM | Reply

From Alexandrite's link:

" The injunction was granted, blocking Trump from "deploying or requesting the deployment of any members of the National Guard to the District of Columbia;" however, the order is stayed for 21 days while the ruling faces an appeal. This means that the current deployment will remain in effect until at least Dec. 11"

If this gets shot down on appeal I'll gladly acknowledge Alexandrite's argument. Given how many lower court rulings against Trump that have been overturned on appeal ... I'll wait for the appeal ruling.

#42 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 09:15 PM | Reply

#41. Toth said absolutely nothing which has become your SOP.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 09:16 PM | Reply

Toth = you

#44 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 09:17 PM | Reply

THIS is an important Question, however; American soldiers need to know if they are going to be Court Marshalled when they are Ordered to fire on their fellow Americans and fail to do so.

Trump, Miller, Hagsbreath... all big fans of the Kent State Massacre.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-24 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Posted by BellRinger

Dirrtbag liar.

Shag off.

#46 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-25 09:26 AM | Reply

Ballwasher the clown is a fat ------- joke.

#47 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-11-25 09:29 AM | Reply

And so far, the revenge tour has produced no scalps of objective consequence.
The whole enterprise has been a costly waste of time."
I think that sums it up nicely.

So if this "revenge tour" had produced "scalps of objective consequence," you'd be OK with it? Your problem with all this corruption and weaponization of the government is that it hasn't been as successful as you would like it to be?

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 10:10 AM | Reply

Then what is the point? Trying to weaken chain of command?

#20 | Posted by BellRinger

There he is. I knew it wouldn't take long before this pathetic unAmerican b(*&^ started carrying their water.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 10:11 AM | Reply

#22. I am not aware of our military arresting anyone or engaging in police activity.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger

www.reuters.com

There are also countless articles describing authorizations for NG and active duty marines to "detain" people and pass off to LEO for a "forma arrest." It's an absurd hyper-literal action that is little more than NG/military arresting people but giving the credit and paperwork to LEO.

You're as incurious as you are gullible.

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 10:15 AM | Reply

If this gets shot down on appeal I'll gladly acknowledge Alexandrite's argument. Given how many lower court rulings against Trump that have been overturned on appeal ... I'll wait for the appeal ruling.

#42 | Posted by BellRinger

You an barely contain your hopefulness that it gets overturned.

BTW the NG deployment is illegal. By statute it can only last 30 days. We're well beyond that.

Do you really think that being a submissive little Gutes Deutsch b(*&^ is going to save you when the hammer gets dropped?

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 10:17 AM | Reply

So tired of people that have sacrificed for this country being threatened by those who haven't.

#52 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-25 10:57 AM | Reply

So tired of people that have sacrificed for this country being threatened by those who haven't.

#52 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-25 10:57 AM |

Posted on a different thread, but fairly apropos here: www.cantonrep.com

US Army Nurse 1LT Sharon Ann Lane was the only female US servicemember KIA during the Vietnam War which Dummkopf Trumpf sneakily avoided.

#53 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-25 11:05 AM | Reply

Corporal Bonespurs is the PERFECT Commander in Chief... along with his drunken, wife beating Pentagon minion leading the mighty US Military to Greatness! (Boaz quote)

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-25 11:13 AM | Reply

" So if this "revenge tour" had produced "scalps of objective consequence," you'd be OK with

Insofar if those scalps of consequence got a fair trial and became scalps via the legal process. "Nobody is above the law." Or is it (D)ifferent for you depending on who is breaking the law? We all know the answer to that question.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 11:24 AM | Reply

" You a barely contain your hopefulness that it gets overturned."

I don't care As long as the process is properly followed let the chips fall where they may. If the NG cases is dismissed on appeal - fine. If appeals finds that the NG ruling in the lower court is improper? Fine. Per usual you are projecting, but then you are a little bitch so nobody is surprised.

#56 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 11:28 AM | Reply

" There he is. I knew it wouldn't take long before this pathetic unAmerican b(*&^ started carrying their water.

#49 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-11-25 10:11 AM | FLAG: "

Carrying water? That would be you. This video to the troops was and remains a stupid political stunt without a point.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 11:30 AM | Reply

From JPW's Reuters link:

" The troops are authorized to detain people who pose a threat to federal personnel or property, but only until police can arrest them. Military officials are not allowed to carry out arrests themselves"

So, if troops are protecting a federal building (federal buildings were repeatedly targeted in 2020) according to JPW they can't do anything. If a couple of guys start helping Molotov cocktails at them and the building they have been tasked with protecting, they just have to stand there and do nothing. It's as if JPW wants these buildings burned down just as was attempted numerous times in 2020.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 11:42 AM | Reply

This video to the troops was and remains a stupid political stunt without a point.

#57 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

1) I got the point. You did't get the point?

2) The point is that sane people fear that Donald Trump is going to commit crimes, domestic and otherwise, using the US military.

3) The point is that sane people know that Donald is a dictator and want to strangle his power while it is still relatively easy to do so.

4) The point is that some us still want this country not to fully devolve into a fascist sewer.

5) You've always made it clear that you support the fascist revolution. You've never made it clear why.

#59 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-25 11:44 AM | Reply

#58 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

1) Let the police and the un-Federalized Guard handle domestic violence, as we have always done.

2) UCMJ still applies to the Guard. Other laws limit the police. What's your objection?

2) Burning Federal buildings are not of any over-whelming concern at the moment. Don't know of a single one.

#60 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-25 11:48 AM | Reply

remains a stupid political stunt without a point.

#57 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How dumb are you?

Even Trumpy got the point. Which is why he is furious. How dare anyone question the Kings authoritay!

The point is it as much is your responsibility and duty to Not follow illegal orders as it is to follow legal orders and to know the difference.

And you will not be protected from prosecution if you knowingly follow illegal orders when this hateful regime collapses as it eventually will.

"I was just following orders" is not an excuse.

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-25 11:55 AM | Reply

The "point" is nonsensical. Nobody on the left would have shrugged off a video like this if it were 6 Republicans during the Obama presidency.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 12:20 PM | Reply

" 2) Burning Federal buildings are not of any over-whelming concern at the moment"

Gee, I wonder why that is?

#63 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 12:20 PM | Reply

The "point" is nonsensical.

#62 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You don't live in in the real world.

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-25 12:21 PM | Reply

This video to the troops was and remains a stupid political stunt without a point.
#57 | Posted by BellRinger

Yesterday, the White House issued a statement that all orders from the President to the military are legal.
www.yahoo.com

Is that also a stunt without a point?
Were there good stunt on both sides?

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, i can just see Obama retweeting death threats.

pack it in, jeff. you're drunk.

#66 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-25 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Burning Federal buildings are not of any over-whelming concern at the moment"

Gee, I wonder why that is?

#63 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The citizenry doesn't want to give Trump a chance to move on them.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-25 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nobody on the left would have shrugged off a video like this if it were 6 Republicans during the Obama presidency."

^
Look, it's one of JeffJ's most prolific avoidance tactics!
He talks about things that never happened.
To deflect from things that did happen.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Burning Federal buildings are not of any over-whelming concern at the moment. Don't know of a single one.

Repug twunt charged with arson.

www.alternet.org

#69 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-25 12:25 PM | Reply

Worse, it indicates to persuadable voters that Trump's priorities are profoundly misplaced at a time when the public is losing patience with his administration's failure to rein in consumer costs.
www.nationalreview.com
#13 | Posted by BellRinger

Help me out with something here.
Why is persuading voters with the truth about Trump's priorities, and Trump's inability to constrain inflation, a bad thing?

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 12:32 PM | Reply

"The "point" is nonsensical."

If it does not make sense then why is anyone upset about it?

When I find myself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me.

Speaking words of wisdom ...

Let it be.

#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-25 12:39 PM | Reply

Or is it (D)ifferent for you depending on who is breaking the law? We all know the answer to that question.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger

You project an awful lot for someone who whines about projection.

Try again, idiot.

This video to the troops was and remains a stupid political stunt without a point.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger

It has a point, Gutes Deutsch, you're just too far up Trump's a*& to see it.

Not that anyone is surprised by that.

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 01:16 PM | Reply

#58 | Posted by BellRinger

Yawn. As usual, you swallow everything they give you and go back for more.

You've been wrong about everything. And will continue to be if you keep your head up Trump's a&^.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 01:17 PM | Reply

5) You've always made it clear that you support the fascist revolution. You've never made it clear why.

#59 | Posted by Zed

It's because Gutes Deutsch is stupid enough to believe compliance will mean he'll be spared.

He's also too dense to see what's happening right in front of his face, preferring to believe everything is just fine.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 01:19 PM | Reply

Nobody on the left would have shrugged off a video like this if it were 6 Republicans during the Obama presidency.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger

Because a video like this during the Obama years would have been absurd because there wasn't a reason to believe illegal orders would occur.

This whatabout is even stupider than your usual drivel.

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 01:20 PM | Reply

Gee, I wonder why that is?

#63 | Posted by BellRinger

Because that level of political violence is only happening in the propaganda released by the WH to justify troop deployments.

You're an idiot. A giant, fat f*&^ing stupid idiot.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 01:21 PM | Reply

He's also too dense to see what's happening right in front of his face, preferring to believe everything is just fine.
#74 | Posted by jpw

He can see the fascism happening, and he likes the fascism happening.
But can't define fascism so he can't identify the things he likes are fascist.

He sees Law and Order, National Security, Traditional American Values.
He doesn't see how those things could possibly be tools of fascism.

Republicans know fascism is bad... but they doesn't know what fascism is.
They know -- from years of having to pretend to tolerate blacks, gays, immigrants, and Muslims -- not to say Trump is racist, Trump is fascist.
Even as it's plain as day that Trump is racist, and Trump is fascist.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 01:26 PM | Reply

"#76 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-11-25 01:21 PM | FLAG: "

STFU, loser. Summer 2020 was just over 5 years ago. You probably tugged away to all of the violence. I was mortified and in LA efforts were being made to jump-start a 2.0 version. But it got squelched, much to you furious chagrin.

#78 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 01:26 PM | Reply

Point is while left wing losers like yourself probably want to memory hole it a lot of people remember it all too well and welcomed measures taken to prevent that from happening.

#79 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 01:28 PM | Reply

" It has a point, Gutes Deutsch"

Only in your---------- addled brain.

#80 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 01:29 PM | Reply

I was mortified and in LA efforts were being made to jump-start a 2.0 version. But it got squelched, much to you furious chagrin.

#78 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You were "mortified " at Trumpy's violations of the US Constitution by sending American troops into LA against the wishes of LA and the Governor of California in order to incite more violence?

Me too!

#81 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-25 01:31 PM | Reply

" Yawn. As usual, you swallow everything they give you and go back for more.

You've been wrong about everything. And will continue to be if you keep your head up Trump's a&^.

#73 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-11-25 01:17 PM | FLAG: "

You are seriously dumb. You comment on stuff all of the time that you are clueless about. You didn't get summer 2020 2.0? Too effing bad. Go sit in a corner and cry about it.

#82 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 01:31 PM | Reply

welcomed measures taken to prevent that from happening.

#79 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So you admit it.

You enjoyed seeing Trumpy abuse the power of his office (which does not belong to him) by sending American troops to harass them liberals in LA. You want to see him harass them everywhere.

Because that's the kind of American you are. (Assuming you are an American which is not a given anymore)

#83 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-25 01:36 PM | Reply

Too effing bad. Go sit in a corner and cry about it.

#82 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You mad bro?

Good.

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-25 01:37 PM | Reply

This is just another act of revenge and retribution that will backfire miserably and be another humiliation for the worst president ever.

A humiliation that will quickly be forgotten and overcome by the next embarrassing and humiliating act coming from Trumpy and his minions of hate.

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-25 01:41 PM | Reply

STFU, loser. Summer 2020 was just over 5 years ago. You probably tugged away to all of the violence..
#78 | Posted by BellRinger

As with the police that murdered George Floyd, most of the violence that summer was instigated by the police.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 01:42 PM | Reply

#86

Liar.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 01:44 PM | Reply

#82 | Posted by BellRinger

This dumbf*&^ just can't keep his idiot mouth shut.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 01:51 PM | Reply

#87 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

During the Floyd disturbances, it was evident that nihilists and right-wing operatives were responsible for much of the violence.

This was my fear during the No Kings protests, that these people would would show up again. But also that rogue police elements such as ICE (don't bother arguing that they are not a uniformed gang) would provoke someone.

As things turned out, I was proud that the millions were able to exert such discipline over themselves and NOT GIVE TRUMP an opening, which he was obviously salviating over at the time.

#89 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-25 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#86

Liar.

#87 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

When a liar calls you a liar that must mean that you are telling the truth!

#90 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-25 01:54 PM | Reply

#87 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Fascism is a dead end. Accept that and re-join humanity.

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-25 01:55 PM | Reply

As with the police that murdered George Floyd, most of the violence that summer was instigated by the police.
#86 | Posted by snoofy

#86
Liar.
#87 | Posted by BellRinger

No, JeffJ.

As is all too often the case, you are the liar.

The assertion that most of the violence in the 2020 civil rights protests was instigated by the police is supported by multiple analyses of the events. Research indicates that law enforcement responses often escalated tensions, with police using excessive force such as tear gas, rubber bullets, and batons against largely peaceful demonstrators.
A study by the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) found that over 93% of Black Lives Matter protests during the summer of 2020 were peaceful, with violence being instigated by protesters, counter-protesters, or police, and police sometimes escalating confrontations.
Reports from Amnesty International documented 125 instances of police violence against protesters across 40 states and Washington, D.C., between May 26 and June 5, 2020, including beatings, misuse of tear gas, and the inappropriate firing of less-lethal projectiles.
Furthermore, a 2025 study published in Criminology found that police behavior was disproportionately escalated during Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests compared to other movements, with instances of "egregiously overwrought" responses to peaceful protests and "restrained" behavior in the face of dangerous actions during other protests, suggesting animus against the BLM movement.
These findings indicate that while violence did occur, it was not primarily initiated by protesters, and police actions frequently contributed to or instigated violent escalations.
--AI Summary
search.brave.com

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" This dumbf*&^ just can't keep his idiot mouth shut.

#88 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-11-25 01:51 PM | REPLY"

Take responsibility for being upset that a repeat of summer 2020 was stopped / never got sufficiently going.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 02:08 PM | Reply

" a repeat of summer 2020 "

Is this where you compare over 11,000 protests (93% of them peaceful) to ONE day in ONE city (100% violent, using the same barometer) in January, 2021???

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-25 02:22 PM | Reply

The military already has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders. It does not need political actors injecting doubt into an already clear chain of command

#95 | Posted by homerj at 2025-11-25 02:44 PM | Reply

"The military already has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders."

Not when they come from The President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The military already has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders.

#95 | POSTED BY HOMERJ

Trump says these procedures don't exist because the concept of "unlawful" is something he has made moot.

#97 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-25 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump says these procedures don't exist because the concept of "unlawful" is something he has made moot.
#97 | Posted by Zed

Yes, that's a much better answer than mine.
According to Trump, it is not possible for Trump to issue an unlawful military order.
All the President's orders are lawful by definition.
HomerJ, do you agree with Trump?

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Take responsibility for being upset that a repeat of summer 2020 was stopped / never got sufficiently going.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger

Two things.

First off, way to cup Trump's balls while taking every inch you can you pathetic sycophant. Nothing was prevented because the violent left narrative is almost complete bulls*&^. People jumped around in inflatable frog costumes for f(*&'s sake.

Second, if you have to make stuff up, just STFU and remember the old saying about opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

#99 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The military already has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders.

That wouldn't be the IGs and JAG that Trump gutted, would it?

#100 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 03:02 PM | Reply

" Is this where you compare over 11,000 protests (93% of them peaceful) to ONE day in ONE city (100% violent, using the same barometer) in January, 2021???

#94 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-11-25 02:22 PM | FLAG: "

Why do you always trivialize the violence of 2020

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 03:30 PM | Reply

Why do you always trivialize the violence of 2020
#101 | Posted by BellRinger

We don't trivialize the violence of 2020.
We accurately attribute most of it to the police.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-11-25 03:02 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

You didn't even address what I said. Because you can't. You don't want to be openly supportive of the 2020 violence but it's pretty obvious you do.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 03:43 PM | Reply

You're pretending all the protests from 2020 were violent.

No one wants to play your game.

#104 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-25 03:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

You're pretending all the protests from 2020 were violent.

No one wants to play your game.

#104 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2025-11-25 03:49 PM

Key word "all". Raetard

#105 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-25 05:12 PM | Reply

#103 why would I address your strawman bulls^*+.

#106 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-25 05:13 PM | Reply

Why do you always trivialize the violence of 2020

#101 | Posted by BellRinger

Why do you exaggerate it? The number of trumpers who cried "the cities are burning!". They all seem totally intact to me. If the problem was that big you wouldnt need to dramatize it.

This country has had many riots.

We've only had one coup attempt. We've only had one political party too corrupt and treasonous to let a an insurrectionist get away with an attempted coup, ending the rule of law, and turning us into a banana republic.

#107 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-25 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Is this where you compare over 11,000 protests (93% of them peaceful) to ONE day in ONE city (100% violent, using the same barometer) in January, 2021???
#94 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-11-25 02:22 PM | FLAG: "
Why do you always trivialize the violence of 2020

#101 | Posted by BellRinger

You're right.

I remember right wing white supremacists getting charged for burning down buildings and trying to blame BLM.

I remember right wing white supremacists attacking protestors and trying to start fights...with police protection.

I remember police vans driving around after protests, throwing up the doors, and shooting random people with rubber bullets for fun and laughing that they were doing it.

I remember a Texas man literally murdering a protestor and then the governor pardoning him.

I remember Kyle Rittenhouse being illegally armed and committing murder...twice...

PEDO LOVER, WHY DO YOU ALWAYS TRIVIALIZE THE VIOLENCE?!

#108 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-11-25 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#108 ppl er usual, you are pulling crap out of your balloon knot.

#109 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 06:22 PM | Reply

#109 Perry "bell boi" Mason has passed judgement.

Or was it something a little more intimate?

#110 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-25 06:25 PM | Reply

" The number of trumpers who cried "the cities are burning!". They all seem totally intact to me"

Approximately $2 billion in property damage. More than 2 dozen people killed. Over 1500 police officers injured.

#111 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 06:34 PM | Reply

" You're pretending all the protests from 2020 were violent"

No im not.

#112 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 07:04 PM | Reply

" You're pretending all the protests from 2020 were violent"

No im not.

#112 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're pretending something.

#113 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-25 07:16 PM | Reply

#112 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Donald Trump is a failed president because, on every level, he is a failed man.

Argument?

#114 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-25 07:17 PM | Reply

" 103 why would I address your strawman bulls^*+.

#106 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-11-25 05:13 PM | FLAG: "
I

Its annoying, isn't it?

#115 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-25 07:21 PM | Reply

"More than 2 dozen people killed."

How many police got killed by protesters?
How many protesters got killed by police?

And if you are including Kyle's kills, were they all good kills, all people who needed killing, just as Kyle acted in self defense?

And if so, why are you saying more than two dozen people killed like it's a bad thing? You should want more Kyles killing more bad guys.

"Over 1500 police officers injured."

How many civilians injured by other civilians?
How many civilians injured by police officers?

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 07:46 PM | Reply

"More than 2 dozen people killed."

^
JeffJ is the GracieAmazed Chicago Weekend Negro Update on infinite repeat.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 07:50 PM | Reply

"Approximately $2 billion in property damage."

What's a fair price for your society to pay, for cops to stop killing people like George Floyd?

Nothing.

You like it when cops kill people like George Floyd.

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 07:55 PM | Reply

@#61 ... Even Trumpy got the point. Which is why he is furious. How dare anyone question the Kings authoritay!

The point is it as much is your responsibility and duty to Not follow illegal orders as it is to follow legal orders and to know the difference.

And you will not be protected from prosecution if you knowingly follow illegal orders when this hateful regime collapses as it eventually will.

"I was just following orders" is not an excuse. ...

Superior orders
en.wikipedia.org

... Superior orders, also known as just following orders or the Nuremberg defense, is a plea in a court of law that a person, whether civilian, military or police, should not be considered guilty of committing crimes ordered by a superior officer or official.[1][2] It is regarded as a complement to command responsibility.[3]

One noted use of this plea or defense was by the accused in the 1945"1946 Nuremberg trials. These were a series of military tribunals held by the main victorious Allies of World War II to prosecute, among others, prominent members of the political, military and economic leadership of the defeated Nazi Germany.

Under the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal that established them, the trials determined that the defense of superior orders was no longer enough to escape punishment but merely enough to lessen it.[4] ...


#119 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-25 07:59 PM | Reply

An egregious action by the Trump cabal.

BOAZO should be mightily upset they're threatening Kelly over stating facts:

U.S. military members aren't required to follow illegal orders.

#120 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-11-25 08:14 PM | Reply

"I was just following orders" is not an excuse.
#61 | Posted by donnerboy

The White House says the opposite.

And there isn't a Republican who will even comment on it.

Especially not a Republican Veretan.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 08:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#117 Is that where LZT could see the Atlantic Ocean from her front porch in Milwaukee?

#122 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-25 08:21 PM | Reply

It is a political stunt meant to smear Trump by implying to the gullible public that he is issuing illegal orders, and it is backfiring.

FACT IS, The prior military people in this anti-Trump ad, are totally aware that in every branch of the military, the members are already taught about questionaing and not following illegal orders is in their basic training.

#123 | Posted by MSgt at 2025-11-25 11:42 PM | Reply

"Why do you always trivialize the violence of 2020"

I don't; the math does. 93% of the BLM protests were peaceful. By that barometer, 100% of the J6 riots were violent.

Over 11,000 protests, compared to ONE insurrection.

The math is not on your side. Do you understand math?

#124 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-26 02:22 AM | Reply

#124. I understand how you cherry pick statistics.

But much is worse - 1 killed J6 protester or over 2 dozen "collateral damage killings" during the 2020 riots. How about the amount of property damage and livelihoods lost? $2 billion vs $10 million?

This has gotten to be so circular ... .

I thought the J6 riot was really bad. You come across as the 2020 riots were just some tomfoolery. And to the extent they were bad it was all RW agitators. Of course Dems and their allies have such an established track record of setting up bail out fund programs for RW rioters. Even their VP pimped it.

But, here we are. Back at square one.

#125 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 03:42 AM | Reply

You never, ever convey anything about the 2020 riots other than romanticize, trivialize or 100% blame your perceived political foes.

It's so incredibly dishonest.

#126 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 03:45 AM | Reply

BTW - how many of the Tea Party protests were violent back when that was a thing?

#127 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 03:46 AM | Reply

USN Secretary John Phelan, a former investment company CEO, has never served a day in his life in the US military.

The sycophantic Phelan was given a 10 Dec deadline by USSECDEF Pete "Hic!" Hellsbreath, a former second-rate drunken TV tumor on Faux News, to find a way to persecute US Senator Mark Kelly (D-AZ), a former USN CAPT and astronaut.

NCIS has to come up with charges to recall the American space hero to active-duty for UCMJ punishment or court-martial.

Senator Kelly's wife Gabby Giffords is already the victim of rightwing political violence which cruelly disfigured her and caused the former House Democrat irreparable brain damage.

These creatures in the Trumpf junta are simply soulless, mindless, incompetent deviants.

#128 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-26 05:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's so incredibly dishonest.
#126 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2025-11-26 03:45 AM | FLAG: Yuuge Self-Retorting Retort

#129 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-26 07:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NCIS has to come up with charges to recall the American space hero to active-duty for UCMJ punishment or court-martial.

#128 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS

Senator Kelley would make a great President in 2028.

Therefore Trump wants him diminished and/or locked up.

It will make him a martyr, of course, and increase his chances as the hero of anyone who hates Trump for moral and/or economic reasons.

But a question---

If Kelley declares for President now, does he get the same legal immunities MAGA said Trump had in 2022-2024?

#130 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-26 08:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If Kelley declares for President now, does he get the same legal immunities MAGA said Trump had in 2022-2024?
#130 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-26 08:36 AM | Reply | Flag: Excellent Point

Hi Zed:

Senator Mark Kelly should immediately declare that he is a 2028 POTUS candidate to test that water.

Senator Kelly as a national candidate will garner a lot of votes from Democrats, but antiwar progressives won't vote for him in 2028. He is an AIPAC funds recipient which will keep Code Pink, the War Resisters League, the Society of Friends (Quakers), Iraq War Vets, the Society of Jesus (Jesuits), the Mennonite Central Committee (MCC), and others home on Tuesday 7 November 2028.

#131 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-26 08:54 AM | Reply

And to the extent they were bad it was all RW agitators.
#125 | Posted by BellRinger

If you are calling the police right wing agitators, I mostly agree. Most of the violence was from right wing agitators including the police.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-26 09:27 AM | Reply

"It is a political stunt meant to smear Trump by implying to the gullible public that he is issuing illegal orders, and it is backfiring."

It's backfiring?

There's popular support to court martial Sen. Mark Kelly for speaking out?

I don't think so.

If there were, JeffJ here wouldn't be so desperate to somehow make this about the 2020 Civil Rights Protests.

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-26 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ordering the planes to not turn around after the court ordered them to do so was an illegal order.

That is only one easy example.

The Justice Department said Tuesday that Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem was the Trump administration official behind the decision not to comply with a federal judge's order to halt the deportation of alleged Venezuelan gang members to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act.

In a court filing, the Justice Department said administration officials conveyed U.S. District Judge James Boasberg's March 15 oral order to return alleged Venezuelan members of the Tren de Aragua gang to the United States, as well as the subsequent written order the same day that blocked the federal government from removing members subject to the Alien Enemies Act under President Donald Trump's invocation of the 18th century law.

The Department of Justice also argued that once the flights were in the air, they were a "military matter" outside the scope of the court's authority to stop.

If the military pilots were aware that the order was illegal they could be at risk of being prosecuted for following it.

#134 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-26 09:40 AM | Reply

Another good (bad?) example of an illegal order is the non-judicial executions of Venezuelans.

Commanders could be held accountable in the future.

#135 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-26 09:44 AM | Reply

If Kelley declares for President now, does he get the same legal immunities MAGA said Trump had in 2022-2024?

#130 | POSTED BY ZED

Yes. Agreed but unfortunately it is a very trumpian thing to do. Unless he already was interested and wanted to run anyway. Not sure he is. Standing up to Trumpy and his hateful minions might be better option as Trumpy is so incompetent that the case will most likely collapse and disintegrate rapidly.

And as you pointed out I think the public will not support this kind of facist behavior in the end.

#136 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-26 09:51 AM | Reply

" How about the amount of property damage and livelihoods lost? $2 billion vs $10 million?"

So $180,000 per occurrence (which doesn't pass the smell test, unless you're counting police pay) versus $10 million?

Do you understand how Actual Math works???

No cherry-picking required.

You also can't seem to grasp J6 was based on a lie, while the 11,000 protests were based on something sadly true.

#137 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-26 11:10 AM | Reply

-You also can't seem to grasp J6 was based on a lie,

Yes it was. But I've always wondered how many of the protesters truly believed the lie. That would be a great documentary. Interview the protestors and, in hindsight, try to learn more.

Personally I would love to strap all of them to a polygraph and ask them if they still believe it and did they really believe it at the time. (Trump actually won)

Maybe we would learn they truly believed it then at the time and still now. I don't know ... ..but I'm curious.

#138 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-26 11:40 AM | Reply

#138 Excellent points. There are at least a few documentaries that might answer some of your curiosity:

Several documentaries cover the January 6th protest, including "January 6th" (Discovery+, HBO Max, Apple TV) which offers firsthand accounts from those inside the Capitol, and "Four Hours at the Capitol" (HBO Max) which uses footage and interviews to chronicle the event. Other options include PBS's "American Insurrection," which examines the evolution of far-right extremist groups, and "A Day of Outrage: January 6: The Real Story," which focuses on the events leading up to and following the day, as well as the experiences of some protesters.

The insurrection participants opinions today?

I am reminded of this, attributed to Mark Twain:

"it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"

#139 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

139

I'll check some of those programs out

Thanks!!

#140 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-26 11:58 AM | Reply

" 11,000 protests were based on something sadly true.

#137 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-11-26 11:10 AM | FLAG: "

Faulty logic. So as long as Danforth approves the cause rioting is A-ok? Further, it was not based on a truth. And even further, the man who killed Floyd was arrested, charged, convicted and was sentenced to decades in prison. THAT is Justice.

#141 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 12:27 PM | Reply

" So $180,000 per occurrence (which doesn't pass the smell test, unless you're counting police pay) versus $10 million"

Per occurrence. The J6ers only rioted one time. And as you studiously ignored, let's add the Tea Party protests into the mix.

#142 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 12:30 PM | Reply

"So as long as Danforth approves the cause rioting is A-ok?"

It's not okay to riot when the police murder civilians?

If it's not okay to riot when police murder civilians, you certainly can't approve of rioting when taxes go up.

But you do approve of the Boston Tea Party.
And you do approve of the killing of George Floyd.
It's just that easy.

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-26 12:32 PM | Reply

Patricide Jeff wants a mulligan for the 5 dead DC cops.

#144 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-26 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#142 Oh, we hear from Perry "bell boi" Mason.

Why is it that while the J6ers only rioted one time, we keep hearing of news stories where these very people have been arrested since their pardons - in some cases - for heinous, violent crimes?

Plus, these J6ers were responsible for beating LEO with American flag poles, and were responsible for the death of Brian Sicknick.

I don't understand why the J6ers are such heroes to you, Perry "bell boi" Mason.

Because they're violent against the very people you hate, too?

Or is it because you really just hate America?

#145 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 12:37 PM | Reply

#144 I just don't understand why Patricide Jeff/Perry "bell boi" Mason is so in love with cop murderers.

#146 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 12:38 PM | Reply

One AI snapshot:

"15% to 18% of those charged in connection with the heinous 6 Jan 2021 attack on the US Capitol have military backgrounds, with the vast majority being veterans rather than active-duty service members. Specifically, out of approximately 1,500 insurrectionists charged, around 230 of the maniacs have military backgrounds."

Recall these miscreants to active duty for court-martial for violating the oath they took to support and uphold the Constitution of the United States by preventing the peaceful transfer of power as codified in Article II.

#147 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-26 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

FACT IS, The prior military people in this anti-Trump ad, are totally aware that in every branch of the military, the members are already taught about questionaing and not following illegal orders is in their basic training.

#123 | POSTED BY MSGT

So what is wrong or treasonous about reminding them of their duty?

It's not like there are not plenty of good reasons to do so.

#148 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-26 12:52 PM | Reply

"15% to 18% of those charged in connection with the heinous 6 Jan 2021 attack on the US Capitol have military backgrounds"

That's double or triple the average for Americans -- only about six percent of Americans are active duty or retired.

Military personnel are twice as likely to support fascism?

Thoughts and Prayers.
Nothing Can Be Done.

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-26 12:58 PM | Reply

#123 Then what's your problem with reminding the military of that, ---------------------?

#150 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 12:59 PM | Reply

What was said is no more controversial than "Remember, maintain your oath, obey the law."

Or "Go green, stop on red."

Those getting knickers in a twist over this must be afraid the illegal orders they plan delivering won't be obeyed.

#151 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-26 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Why is it that while the J6ers only rioted one time, we keep hearing of news stories where these very people have been arrested since their pardons - in some cases - for heinous, violent crimes?"

Obviously, some of them are criminals.

" Plus, these J6ers were responsible for beating LEO with American flag poles"

Which is absolutely terrible.

"and were responsible for the death of Brian Sicknick"

A BS claim; a politically motivated claim. He died the following day of a stroke.

" I don't understand why the J6ers are such heroes to you"

They're not. I e never made any such claim. You are repeatedly demonstrating that your reading comprehension is terrible.

#152 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 01:04 PM | Reply

-You also can't seem to grasp J6 was based on a lie,
Yes it was. But I've always wondered how many of the protesters truly believed the lie. That would be a great documentary. Interview the protestors and, in hindsight, try to learn more.
#138 | Posted by eberly

There's interviews like this all over the internet.

#153 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-26 01:04 PM | Reply

" Then what's your problem with reminding the military of that"

It's condescending and insulting to pretend that they don't already know that.

#154 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 01:05 PM | Reply

"He died the following day of a stroke."

If a healthy person got assaulted one day and had a stroke the next, I'd think it was because of the assault.

You don't think that?

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-26 01:08 PM | Reply

It's condescending and insulting to pretend that they don't already know that.

#154 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How many Venezuelans have been executed recently without any due process by our military?

Someone apparently doesn't know that and needs to be reminded that they can be prosecuted later for illegal orders followed now.

It's condescending and insulting that you don't know this.

#156 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-26 01:10 PM | Reply

There's interviews like this all over the internet.

#153 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Eberly is an insurance salesman who apparently lives in a cave and depends on the DR for all his news.

Apparently.

#157 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-26 01:13 PM | Reply

A BS claim; a politically motivated claim. He died the following day of a stroke.

Dr. Diaz noted that "all that transpired played a role in his condition," referring to the stress of defending the Capitol during the riot. Medical experts have indicated that an acute, highly stressful event could conceivably trigger the kind of blood clots that lead to a stroke.

#158 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-26 01:17 PM | Reply

#152 Sorry, Perry "bell boi" Mason: This isn't a court of law.

This is the court of public opinion.

And in the court of public opinion, Brian Sicknick would be alive today had he not been brutalized by cop murderers.

You think it is a "A BS claim; a politically motivated claim"?

Sell that to the family of Brian Sicknick.

Yeah. They believe that their loved one was murdered by J6ers.

Along with the other LEO casualties of that day: death, suicide, death threats, health issues, PTSD.

Your lack of empathy, Perry "bell boi" Mason, is matched only by the orange god you worship.

#159 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 01:19 PM | Reply

#159. You don't give a rip about police officers. They are political cannon fodder for you and nothing more.

#160 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 01:22 PM | Reply

You probably laughed when retired cop David Dorn was murdered.

#161 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 01:23 PM | Reply

#160 Hey, Pery "bell boi" Mason, I'm not the one dismissing the murder of LEO on January 6th.

That would be you, Perry "bell boi" Mason.

Why are you defending and/or completely excusing the murders of LEO on January 6th?

Is your hatred of America and hatred law enforcement your top priorities?

#162 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 01:26 PM | Reply

#161 I don't LOL at the deaths of any LEO.

Law enforcement and the American justice system are critical for the successful implementation of this grand, 250-year American experiment.

Nope. I don't LOL at the deaths of any LEO.

Unlike you, Perry "bell boi" Mason, who sneers and laughs and excuses and denigrates LEO like Brian Sicknick.

Yep.

Confession or projection on your part, Perry "bell boi" Mason.

Confession or projection.

#163 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 01:35 PM | Reply

#159. You don't give a rip about police officers. They are political cannon fodder for you and nothing more.

#160 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2025-11-26 01:22 PM | REPLY

The capital police consider you to be a lying g piece of ----

#164 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-26 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Why are you defending and/or completely excusing the murders of LEO on January 6th?"

Because there weren't any. The only person killed on J6 was Ashli Babbit. And she wasn't murdered. It was LEO justifiable use of lethal force.

#165 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 01:36 PM | Reply

#163

You were doing just fine until this:

" who sneers and laughs and excuses and denigrates LEO like Brian Sicknick"

Absurd. How about we both stop with the stupid straw man stuff?

#166 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 01:38 PM | Reply

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#164 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-11-26 01:35 PM | FLAG: "

www.youtube.com

#167 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 01:40 PM | Reply

"You don't give a rip about police officers."

We care enough to know they're typically the ones who instigated violence in the summer of 2020.

#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-26 01:41 PM | Reply

#165 Sorry, Perry "bell boi" Mason, this is NOT a court of law.

This is a court of public opinion.

And in the court of public opinion, Brian Sicknick was murdered by the very people you seem intent on venerating: J6 cop killers.

So keep up your sneers and laughs and excuses and denigration of LEO like Brian Sicknick.

Speaks volumes, Perry "bell boi" Mason.

Loud and clear.

#169 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 01:42 PM | Reply

#169, You are so boring. You just repeat yourself over and over and over.

#170 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 01:45 PM | Reply

It's the other way around the dod is facing mark kelly.

Not only was he a civilian exercising his right to freedom of speech but he is a United States Senator exercising his right to freedom of speech.

If our Senators cannot speak their minds none of us have that right anymore

#171 | Posted by Tor at 2025-11-26 01:45 PM | Reply

#166 Agreed. Stop with your ridiculous strawman arguments and deal with the reality in the court of public opinion:

Brian Sicknick (and others) died as a direct result of the January 6th insurrection at the US Capitol.

And all your cute-only-by-half excuses and rationalizing away that deadly violence makes you look like the gullible fool you are... and you seem to think that everyone should be as gullible as you, as well.

Find a dime, buy a clue:

We're not.

#172 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 01:47 PM | Reply

#170 I repeat myself over and over again, Perry "bell boi" Mason?

Your self-realization is in need of a reboot.

Meanwhile, allow me this opportunity to enjoy the Schadenfreude of you, of all people, complaining about a poster repeating themselves.

And they said irony was dead.

You're welcome, Perry "bell boi" Mason.

#173 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 01:50 PM | Reply

You probably laughed when retired cop David Dorn was murdered.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 01:23 PM | Reply

When you get your proverbial tests caught in a wringer. Trot out a murder very few knows about here. It's all you've got Jeff.

#174 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-26 01:52 PM | Reply

Jeff doesn't understand ptsd

Cause Jeff is a horrible human being

#175 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-26 01:52 PM | Reply

"#175 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-11-26 01:52 PM | FLAG: "

Your life is a text book example of PTSD.

You are a beta cuck incel who was bullied by the nerds when you were a kid and your ex wife left you for a trailer park dweller with a mullet and 5 inch dong.

That is a lifetime of nonstop emasculation which undoubtedly induces PTSD. In a vacuum I'd feel sympathy. The problem is instead of self reflection on how you can be a better person you continually double down on all of the terrible personality traits that caused you to be a human punching bag in the first place.

#176 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 02:00 PM | Reply

#176 Confession or projection.

#177 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 02:01 PM | Reply

#176 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER | FLAG: UNINTENTIONALLY, HILARIOUSLY SELF-REVELATORY

That, boys and girls, is what's called "an own goal."

#178 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-26 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" If our Senators cannot speak their minds none of us have that right anymore

#171 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2025-11-26 01:45 PM | FLAG: "

I agree. But it's a two way street. They are free to speak their minds and we are free to criticize and mock them when we feel they say stupid things.

#179 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 02:04 PM | Reply

#179 That's mighty white of you to say that, Perry "bell boi" Mason.

Yep.

Mighty white, indeed.

#180 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 02:08 PM | Reply

But it's a two way street. They are free to speak their minds and we are free to criticize and mock them when we feel they say stupid things.

#179 | Posted by BellRinger

Unless you're jimmy kimmel or stephen colbert. Or anyone else working for a corporation that the president has the power to punish.

#181 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-26 02:11 PM | Reply

What's funny is Jeff constantly tries that attack yet it is based on absolutely nothing he knows next to nothing about me.

He would be better served calling me an angry anti social -------. There is at least some evidence of that

He can and does lie about stuff though especially the straw men he builds

But Jeff isn't very bright

#182 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-26 02:11 PM | Reply

That is a lifetime of nonstop emasculation which undoubtedly induces PTSD. In a vacuum I'd feel sympathy. The problem is instead of self reflection on how you can be a better person you continually double down on all of the terrible personality traits that caused you to be a human punching bag in the first place.

#176 | Posted by BellRinger

You literally just described the maga movement.

"Stop calling me stupid! Now excuse me while I go elect a con artist billionaire to fight on my behalf against the elites"

"stop calling me fascist! Now excuse me while I applaud the military being used against american citizens and government punishing corporations that don't support the dictator"

#183 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-26 02:13 PM | Reply

#182. I've got you pegged perfectly. If you worked at being a better person I'd have sympathy for your lifelong emasculation. But you don't and in your bitterness you constantly lash out. It's a mentally unhealthy way to deal with your issues.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 02:16 PM | Reply

#184 Christ-on-a-popsicle-stick, Perry "bell boi" Mason...

You don't have yourself "pegged," much less anyone else.

#185 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 02:18 PM | Reply

In what way do I need to be a better person? I'm curious as to what that means to you

Be specific

#186 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-26 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like with you I can tell you a few things you can
1 stop trolling
2 stop lying
3 stop defending Trump
4 be sincere
5 be an honest broker

That's just off the top of my head

#187 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-26 02:29 PM | Reply

Trot out a murder very few knows about here. It's all you've got Jeff.

His objective is to derail a thread about Lewzer using the DoJ to go after Senator Mark Kelly.

If it take David Dorn and the Tea Party, so be it.

#188 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-26 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I've got you pegged perfectly"

Frank Drebin Jr.: You've got quite the rap sheet. It says here you did twenty years of man's laughter. Must have been quite the joke.
Bank Robber: You mean manslaughter?

#189 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-26 02:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Poof

#190 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-26 02:47 PM | Reply

-In what way do I need to be a better person?

maybe resist the urge to doxx other posters here.

maybe stop calling people -----?

Oh, and stop hating people.

#191 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-26 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-You literally just described the maga movement.

Wow, that's just extra sauce being rubbed into that wound, considering it describes you and twoothy pretty well.

#192 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-26 02:52 PM | Reply

If you worked at being a better person I'd have sympathy for your lifelong emasculation.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger

What is at the root of the conservative obsession with masculinity? And how does it related to yall worshipping a cult leader who wears high heels, a girdle, a diaper, and more makeup than a drag queen?

#193 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-26 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

maybe resist the urge to doxx other posters here.

#191 | Posted by eberly

How much time did you spend trying to get personal details about my life?

#194 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-26 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What is at the root of the conservative obsession with masculinity?"

Unresolved homosexual urges.

Take a look at what Andrew Tate posted the other day.

#195 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-26 03:15 PM | Reply

-How much time did you spend trying to get personal details about my life?

let's see......zero seconds.

However, I did spend some time slapping you in kind for following me from thread to thread blaming me for your ---- life. Blaming me for being a registered republican when I've made it quite clear why I am...and it's not because I subscribe to the ideals of the republican party.

And my positions and posts here prove it.

But you're not satisfied. You're convinced I've done something to you.

#196 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-26 03:18 PM | Reply

"In what way do I need to be a better person? I'm curious as to what that means to you

Be specific

#186 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-11-26 02:26 PM"

Well, I'll start by listing some of the things that you do very poorly.

1. How you express yourself. You frequently go off on blood rage tantrums that are purely driven by negative emotions. A couple of examples would be your reaction to Chevron being overturned (you made a bunch of catastrophic predictions and none of them have materialized) and taking out Iran's nuclear facility.
2. How you view others. On multiple occasions you've said only two possibilities for the ~ 75 million people who voted for Trump. They are stupid or they are evil. That's it. No other possibilities. Principled disagreement? Nope, not possible. Voting for the lesser of two evils? Nope. Stupid or evil. That's it.
3. (this builds off #2), How you characterize others. "----" "MAGA scum" over and over again. You come across as a self-perceived know-it-all who basks in self-perceived moral superiority.
4. Overall nastiness. Like how you want to take glee in the anguish and sorrow Republican parents would have if one of their kids were to die of cancer. Pissing on Charlie Kirk's corpse while it was still warm.

This is FAR from a complete list, but it's a start.

#197 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 03:21 PM | Reply

Nothing's going to happen to Senator Kelly.

There will be no investigation.

There will be no court martial.

This is just more performative BS from the FDT Admin ... maybe a distraction from the illegal orders/murder of 70ish people on the open waters.

#198 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-26 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#197 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

If you would dissect Trump with the same thoroughness you do others, you'd have to change political parties.

#199 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-26 03:49 PM | Reply

Two Guardsmen shot near the White House.

Donald Trump, that cornered and vicious rat, is the first suspect in this.

#200 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-26 03:50 PM | Reply

#200 Im confident that plenty of witnesses can attest that Trump did not fire any weapons when this occurred.

#201 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 03:55 PM | Reply

#201 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'm confidant that Trump is evil enough and desperate enough to arrange it.

#202 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-26 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump moves to tighten the military screws on the civilian population following this, that's proof he did it.

#203 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-26 04:00 PM | Reply

#197 | Posted by BellRinger

Oh I see, you are wrapped up in the expression not reality

I am very precise in my language, it is well thought out. Just because you do not like the tone of what I say does not put me in the wrong.

I honestly believe that people who voted for president piggy in 2024 are either stupid or, for brevity's sake, evil. they deserve nothing but scorn. They abetted the destruction of the liberal governance that I hold sacred. They abetted the implementation of policies and laws that are causing real harm to people I know and love. the abetted the stripping of foreign aid leading to the deaths of 100's of thousands of people. Fuck them, they ARE scum. Again there is NO excuse for not knowing what president piggy was going to do. I hold his voters responsible. If they don't want to be considered cunts, or scum, they should beg my forgiveness.

I have tried endlessly to communicate with magat scum that they are wrong. They chose an obvious conman, a felon, a rapist over a normal human being. There choice lead to the election of president piggy, a man who is destroying much of what I love about my country. I have made it perfectly clear I view anyone who voted for that man chose to be a threat to my loved ones. I will not forgive nor will I forget that. And yes the whatever million people who voted for him ARE either stupid or, for brevity sake, evil. I hold them in nothing but contempt. I stand by that judgement. This is not 2016 when people didn't know what to expect with a president piggy. This was 2024 after everything people experienced over the past decade. There was zero excuse to vote for him. i stand by that judgement. Try an argue I am wrong.

I should not revel in the self-inflicted pain on people who voted for president piggy who is enacting laws and policies causing my loved one's harm? FUCK THAT
this is similar (and I am NOT calling magat scum Al queda) to Americans not taking glee or satisfaction when OBL and AQ were attacked and destroyed. I do not view anyone harming or supporting harm on my loved one's with anything but contempt

To summarize you have come up with nothing that I need to improve. You do not like my judgement of you and people like you, that is all your criticism of me comes down to. No substance, no critique of my character. Just that you don't like my blunt condemnation of magat scum. I do not view that as a negative, I view them as positive attributes-honesty and good judgement.

Your flaws are based on dishonesty.

What you call my flaws are based on my harsh judgement of you.

I stand by my harsh judgement of you. If I am wrong about you, then I will be the first to admit it. Until then, fuck all fascist cunts

OH and BTW, MTG has actually done what I consider a first step of self improvement, she has rejected president piggy. She has many flaws but I am honest enough to acknowledge that.

#204 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-26 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

IOW lying and trolling are character flaws

harsh judgement of people deserving of harsh judgement is a strength

prove me wrong

#205 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-26 04:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

However, I did spend some time slapping you in kind for following me from thread to thread blaming me for your ---- life. Blaming me for being a registered republican when I've made it quite clear why I am...and it's not because I subscribe to the ideals of the republican party.

And my positions and posts here prove it.

But you're not satisfied. You're convinced I've done something to you.

#196 | Posted by eberly

You're lying or your memory is broken. I revealed some facts about my life that you didn't believe and then you followed me from thread to thread trying to get me to reveal more.

#206 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-26 04:27 PM | Reply

#200 Im confident that plenty of witnesses can attest that Trump did not fire any weapons when this occurred.

#201 | Posted by BellRinger

Charles manson never murdered anyone.

#207 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-26 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I revealed some facts about my life that you didn't believe"

Have you done that since? Revealed "facts" about your life?

I haven't seen you do that since. Just curious.

#208 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-26 04:36 PM | Reply

#204. You validated everything I said, and then some.

#209 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-26 04:53 PM | Reply

#209 Flag: Self-delusion ...

... is a symptom of mental illness, most notably delusional disorder, a psychosis where a person holds a fixed, false belief despite evidence to the contrary. Other mental illnesses can also involve self-delusion, though they are often distinguished by other symptoms. Common types of delusions include persecutory, grandiose, and erotomanic beliefs.

#210 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 05:15 PM | Reply

#210 AI: A Drudge denizen's favorite friend.

#211 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-26 05:16 PM | Reply

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