Trans Woman Pulled a Gun, Gun Rights Devotion Disappeared
Gun-friendly Wyoming has a "stand your ground" statute that allows people to use force to defend themselves. So why is a trans woman being prosecuted after being shoved to the ground?
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More: Then one night last September, Ms. Kelver, 28, drew her gun after she had been pushed down in the street during a brief confrontation with three men in the college town of Laramie, according to police reports and surveillance video. Wyoming's "stand your ground" law is supposed to offer legal protections to gun owners who draw in self-defense, yet Ms. Kelver was arrested and charged with aggravated assault and possession of a deadly weapon with unlawful intent, charges that carry up to 15 years in prison.
#1 | Posted by qcp at 2026-08-06 08:39 AM | Reply
Take a good hard look at Laramie County Attorney Larry Voss, the ogre persecuting Ms Rihanna Kelver:
#2 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-08-06 09:12 AM | Reply
Trump/MAGA doesn't believe in the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't believe in the Bill of Rights, Things like gun ownership, and gun use, will be rationed privileges, available to loyal MAGA religionists.
#3 | Posted by Zed at 2026-08-06 09:44 AM | Reply
#1 | Posted by qcp at 2026-08-06 08:39 AM | Reply | Flag:
Do the full quote! Went into a bar, took 2 shots "on their way to work", went outside, heard something said, then walked up on the group "printing" their firearm which is something you don't do because it comes with major legal risks. Then got pushed down and pulled their gun.
... white knights assemble against this gross injustice!
#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-08-06 11:13 AM | Reply
Wait. College town? Wyoming?
Like Matthew Shepard lived in?
en.wikipedia.org
#5 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-08-06 02:45 PM | Reply
Good catch.
#6 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-08-06 02:57 PM | Reply
Do the full quote!
Went into a bar, took 2 shots "on their way to work", went outside, heard something said, then walked up on the group "printing" their firearm which is something you don't do because it comes with major legal risks. Then got pushed down and pulled their gun.
That's not a "quote". I did not see that "quote" anywhere in the article.
#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-08-06 04:03 PM | Reply
Per link at 5: Buried at Washington National Cathedral.
Don't tell the 47s.
I think that's the same church where the priest gave Trump hell after his 2nd inauguration.
You go, Episcopalians!
#8 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-08-06 04:42 PM | Reply
Only Straight white Males Deserve Gunz.
Is that right Sitzwar?
Tranny's and People of Color are Excluded from "Standing their Ground"?
What's a Militarist to Do?
#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-08-06 06:08 PM | Reply
This is stupid. She was the aggressor.
#10 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-08-06 06:08 PM | Reply
How was she the aggressor?
#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-08-06 06:17 PM | Reply
#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-08-06 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag
Ms. Kelver said she had two shots at the bar, then went outside to smoke a cigarette before her shift at about 10 p.m. One man in a group of three shouted a profanity directed at the Crowbar, according to court records, and Ms. Kelver said that the man, Scott Durham, also yelled an anti-gay slur, though he denied that to the police. Ms. Kelver, upset, walked up to the men and asked, "What did you just say?" according to police reports. Surveillance video from a downtown camera shows her walking into the street toward the men, one hand on her hip by the pack that held the gun. Seconds later, Mr. Durham pushed her away, and Ms. Kelver stumbled and fell onto her back.
It's unclear exactly what the man said, but lets pretend he directed a comment about being trans at her. She put her hand on her gun and approached them. That makes her the aggressor. Unless, that is, you believe it should be commonplace that people put their hand on their gun when someone calls them a name.
#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-08-06 06:28 PM | Reply
The article is written to extract emotion, not what actually happened.
#13 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-08-06 06:28 PM | Reply
In Wyoming, you are generally allowed to touch or place your hand on your openly carried firearm, provided your actions are not interpreted as brandishing or reckless endangerment. Wyoming law distinguishes between lawful carrying and using a firearm to intimidate or threaten others; pointing a gun or making sudden, aggressive moves can lead to charges of aggravated assault or reckless endangerment. --AI Summary
"one hand on her hip by the pack that held the gun."
So her hand wasn't actually on the gun at that time...
If someone pushes you to the ground, you're not allowed to train your weapon on them? You can't possibly believe that.
#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-08-06 06:43 PM | Reply
Stand your ground laws were made for scared white men.
Doesn't apply to any other race or gender.
#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-08-06 06:49 PM | Reply
#12 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS
Were you trying to prove how she wasn't the aggressor?
Well done.
#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-08-06 06:50 PM | Reply
Were you trying to prove how she wasn't the aggressor? Well done.
#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-08-06 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:
Those people didn't approach her. It was the other way around. And that's why she got arrested. The same reason George Zimmerman got arrested. If she'd have stayed on the porch until they became an actual threat, she could have taken them out - legally.
#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-08-06 07:00 PM | Reply
They were yelling slurs, when she walked towards them to confront them, they pushed her to the ground.
At that point they could have escalated the situation.
She acted in self defense.
They started with verbal assault and followed it up with physical assault.
If the men were Muslim you'd be crying.
#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-08-06 07:11 PM | Reply
#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-08-06 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:
If the men were Muslim I'd have fired a warning shot from the porch just to let them know to keep walking.
#19 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-08-06 07:13 PM | Reply
She walked across the street to be precise. This is exactly why "stand your ground" doesn't apply.
#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-08-06 07:20 PM | Reply
#14 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Not if you're the one initiating the altercation.
I am surprised you couldn't imagine why this would be the case, let me rephrase the law so your bigotry can help you understand it..
Suppose a white guy carrying a gun just started confronting black men on the street, when one pushes him, the white man can just kill the black man as he was "standing his ground" . Some how you think that should be allowed? Is that correct? You can't possibly believe that right? Otherwise why wouldn't racist white men all over the country just start doing this?
#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-08-06 07:26 PM | Reply
It should be obvious, but Snoofy and Clownshack are stuck in bigotry mode.
The purpose of the cancellation of the "stand your ground" on initiation is because the weapon itself gives you confidence to start the altercation.
It would be simple to understand, if their judgement wasn't so clouded by immutable traits.
#22 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-08-06 07:31 PM | Reply
the weapon itself gives you confidence to start the altercation.
She didn't start the altercation.
What's your next lie?
#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-08-06 07:47 PM | Reply
She walked across the street to be precise.
Where does it. Say that?
This is exactly why "stand your ground" doesn't apply.
She was pushed to the ground. She pulled her gun. The men walked away.
Seems like she felt threatened and defended herself.
Everything worked out.
If she wasn't transgender no one would care.
#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-08-06 07:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
Worked for Zimmerman and Rittenhouse.
#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2026-08-06 08:06 PM | Reply
- If she wasn't transgender no one would care.
Bingo! We have a winner.
Were she a Trumper... even a Chinese one... she would have gotten a Parade in Laramie.
#26 | Posted by Corky at 2026-08-06 08:09 PM | Reply
Posted by REDIAL at 2026-08-06 08:06 PM | Reply
They are white cis gendered and male. They are not transgender women. We don't count. Therein lies the difference
#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-08-06 08:12 PM | Reply
Suppose a white guy carrying a gun just started confronting black men on the street, when one pushes him, the white man can just kill the black man as he was "standing his ground"
You literally just described the altercation between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.
#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-08-06 08:31 PM | Reply
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