Vance's 'Stolen Valor' Claim Against Tim Walz Is Total BS

"Vance reopens line of attack into Walz's military record as two veterans now vie to be vice president"

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The point being that the members of his unit when he left, well before the Unit was called up say that he had always been interested in politics and they congratulated him on his career move.

But Fake Hillbillies are liars, just like their Cult Leader.

Some of them should read up on other actual cults of personality in politics... it's a real thing.

"Trump's Personality Cult Plays a Part in His Political Appeal

Personality measures suggest Donald Trump exerts a cult of personality over his followers, people who are psychologically susceptible to his appeal. This could help explain how he has succeeded in U.S. politics while other populists have not."

Donald Trump is now leading in many polls and could retake the U.S. presidency, despite numerous scandals, indictments and erratic behavior. Explanations for his popularity focus on factors like white identity, right-wing authoritarianism, nationalism and populism.

U.S. politics has included people with these predilections for many decades, however, so the puzzle of Trump's appeal remains.

Other U.S. politicians, such as Pat Buchanan, David Duke and Ross Perot, previously tried to tap into these discontented outlooks with limited success. We have also seen unsuccessful attempts to provide a more refined version of Trumpism, notably from Florida governor Ron DeSantis.

What is different about Trump that has allowed him such success where others have failed?

Support from a "personality cult""something his would-be successors lack"has, we believe, been essential for Trump's political success.

In new research, we argue that there is an identifiable hard core of extremely loyal Trump supporters that comprise his personality cult. Members of such a cult show unquestioning loyalty to a strong leader, such as Argentina's Juan and Eva Pern or Italy's Benito Mussolini, whom they perceive as infallible and truthful.

Their devotion has religious parallels as they consider their leader a savior with unique ability to protect society against internal or external threats.

Trump has himself embraced such a status in relation to his followers in statements such as "I am your voice" and "I alone can fix it," both of which he declared at the 2016 Republican convention."

www.scientificamerican.com

@#1 ... "... If Vance wants to critique a man's honor, he should start with his running mate." ...

Yup.

The trump/Vance ticket is showing they have been blindsided by the energy and positive excitement of the Democrats.

At this point, most (if not all) the Trump/Vance ticket seems to have is anger, resentment and desire for revenge.

What actually is Stolen Valor?
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Vance is trying to steal Walz actual earned Valor. Walz is a 24 year Command Sergeant Major. The highest rank enlisted can achieve. Vance was a non-commissioned officer, rank of Corporal, below Sergeant. Walz served America longer and with more impact than Vance did, and not by a little. Walz was a tireless advocate for veterans and military families as a Congressman.

Vance did not see combat while in Iraq as a combat correspondent.

Vance is running with Trump who has been nasty and hateful to those that serve and served in our Armed forces, and to their families.

This is attempted swift boating for a new decade. Same party that attacked John Kerry and then let Bush off the hook. Nothing but hypocrites, to their core.

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What pisses me off the most, though, is that Vance thought this was a good thing to do. To attack another that served faithfully and fully for decades and to try and get some gain from it. Vance is a total scum bag.

Really tired of everyone claiming to have the inside scope on a stolen valor story today when I literally reported this yesterday

I want to get serious about Tom Walsh for a second, because we all have a right to know who is really running for VP. I take stolen valor VERY seriously.

Tom Walsh claims that he coached a high school football team to a state championship. That would ordinarily make him a more qualified candidate than every member of Congress.

But what is Senator Walsh NOT telling you about?

That his championship was not won in Georgia or Texas or Mississippi or even, god forbid, Ohio. He "won" it in MINNESOTA. Can you name a single football player of note to ever come out of Badger State? Cause I sure as hell can't

That state is known for three things: hockey (not a real sport), cheese, and the fact that Fargo is there. That's literally it
I am calling on Senator Walsh to do the right thing and set the record straight

#39 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT AT 2024-08-06 04:39 PM

@#4 ... Vance thought this was a good thing to do. ...

Sen Vance seems to be a clueless puppet owned by a billionaire who got him into the Senate.

@#39 ... Really tired of everyone claiming to have the inside scope on a stolen valor story today when I literally reported this yesterday ...

Only yesterday? :)

I've posted a story a week before even the major news outlets picked it up.

Don't become "tired" of it.

Revel in being a forward-thinker.

Walz is a 24 year Command Sergeant Major. The highest rank enlisted can achieve.
~ LyinYav

This is false he didn't complete the training, and was demoted before "retiring". This is just another lie you were told and believe.

Vance was a non-commissioned officer, rank of Corporal, below Sergeant. Walz served America longer and with more impact than
~ LyinYav

So what, he collected a paycheck and when push came to shove he quit. Why does everyone here give Boaz a hard time about it, Boaz as far as I know actually served when his country called for him to go.

Vance did not see combat while in Iraq as a combat correspondent.
~LyinYav

When his country called he went.

Walz is on video saying he "went to war".

Finally the Biden administration pointed this out to the Harris team, Harris ignored it.

Sen Vance seems to be a clueless puppet owned by a billionaire who got him into the Senate.

Perhaps, now you just need proof

The point being that the members of his unit when he left, well before the Unit was called up say that he had always been interested in politics and they congratulated him on his career move.

What are people supposed to do?

Walz in 2007 on CSPAN said he was deployed in Operation Enduring Freedom. He was never deployed.

There's a video of when he was running for gov, that shoots holes in this (ignore tweeter, just looked for the video).
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Again there is video evidence of CNN as well.

I said Walz was a bad choice the morning he was selected, he's going to be a horrible choice dragging down the Harris campaign.

Here's CNN hammering what I described above about carrying a weapon in war..
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---- off you phony bot.

This is false he didn't complete the training, and was demoted before "retiring". This is just another lie you were told and believe.

As usual, you are the one who's wrong and this proves it.

During his final year at the 125th, Walz was promoted to Command Sergeant Major, the highest-ranking enlisted soldier in the unit, directly responsible for a wide range of health, welfare and readiness issues for every soldier. However, prior to retiring, Walz failed to complete a 750-hour course in the Army's Sergeants Major Academy, which would have included 86 hours in residence at Ft. Bliss, Texas. Completing the course is mandatory for E-9s, though completing the training after being promoted is not uncommon.

But without the training, Walz was not eligible to retire as a full E-9 and his retired status and benefits were reduced' to E-8 AFTER he left service.

The Minnesota Guard confirmed to Task & Purpose that Walz was properly promoted and served in the E-9 role, and "retired as" an E-9, despite the later reduction.

taskandpurpose.com

Walz in 2007 on CSPAN said he was deployed in Operation Enduring Freedom. He was never deployed.

Another lie. Walz never said he was deployed to Afghanistan during OEF, he and his unit were deployed to Italy in support of OEF.

In 2003, Walz and the unit mobilized to support Operation Enduring Freedom in Turkey and Europe. Walz was stationed at Vicenza, Italy and returned to Minnesota in April 2004. He was promoted to command sergeant major of the battalion soon after returning.

taskandpurpose.com

If anyone is interested in the truth, go to the link above and read the Army's newspaper accounting of Walz' military service and record.

Are you incapable of understanding what is said in that CNN video?
Seriously? You and the moron Paul A. Szypula that posted it.
Such liars.

Walz said:
"I spent 24 years in the National Guard, some of that full time. I was an artilleray man I deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom my battalion provided base security throughout the European theater from Turkey to England in the early stages of the war in Afghanistan and that same battalion is now in Iraq."

He never says he was in Iraq. He never said he was in Afghanistan. He's clear about his role and it was in support of Enduring Freedom from Europe. Also, do you not know what the term "deployment" means?

Here you are spreading lies and propaganda again, though. Is that how you can afford that F250 and your trip across America? Funding from the Chinese CCP? Or did they just buy it all for you while you're here?

"stationed at Vicenza, Italy."

Exactly. And from there he announced his long known plan to retire before his battalion was even rumored to be deployed to a combat zone. After 24 years, and achieving the highest rank possible he retired. Then he went on to further serve this Nation by running and winning office.

These MAGA folks need this hung on them to show the world what liars and scum they are.

"If anyone is interested in the truth, go to the link above and read the Army's newspaper accounting of Walz' military service and record."
Thank you, Tony.

"stationed at Vicenza, Italy."

This has been confirmed not part of operations in Iraq or any deployment in support of IRaq.

To clarify, according to records, regulations and the Public Affairs Office of the Minnesota National Guard, Tim Walz did serve as a Command Sergeant Major (CSM) and is permitted to claim that he served in that capacity. However, he did not retire as a CSM because he did not meet the educational requirements to retain that rank.

While he can legitimately state that he served as a CSM, he is not a "Retired CSM" but rather a "Retired Master Sergeant" (MSG). Therefore, it is not a case of Stolen Valor, although he should not be claiming to have retired at a rank he no longer holds.
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"If anyone is interested in the truth, go to the link above and read the Army's newspaper accounting of Walz' military service and record."

Of course lyingYav would approve of this biased narrative creating system.

Why ---- would you go to a newspaper?

Why not actually get the data yourself, the links I have given you are facts.

These MAGA folks need this hung on them to show the world what liars and scum they are.

Where's the lie?

He said he's carried a weapon into war, the video is right there.

At least one soldier who knew Walz as well as any has defended him - despite not being a fan. Joseph Eustice, whose personal Facebook page today has anti-Walz posts, held the same job as Walz - command sergeant major of 1st battalion, 125th Artillery Regiment.

When the retirement controversy flared up in 2022, Eustice told local media that Walz fulfilled his duty.

"He was a great soldier," Eustice told the Star Tribune. "When he chose to leave, he had every right to leave."

Several other soldiers from Walz's unit echoed that sentiment, including a former brigadier general.

Eustice speculated the controversy could be stoked by sour grapes by a soldier who was passed over for the promotion to command sergeant major that went to Walz.

He served as the 125th's command sergeant major, an E-9, the Army's highest enlisted rank. But, according to the Minnesota Guard, his retirement status and benefits was reduced to that of an E-8 because he did not complete training required of all E-9s.

"Soldiers who do not finish the course revert back to their prior rank," a National Guard spokesperson told Task & Purpose. "This is what we refer to as an administrative reduction and not punitive in nature."

So an "administrative reduction" in rank and benefits ordered AFTER Walz retired is considered controversial by Corporal Newsboy and Cadet Bone Spurs?

Be still my heart.....

To answer everyone's questions about the video being shared. Governor Tim Walz's service record indicates that he did not deploy to a combat zone. Instead, he was stationed in Italy to support combat operations. While all Soldiers carry an M4/M16 rifle during training, qualifications, and other exercises, there is no evidence to suggest that he "carried a weapon of war in war" as stated in the video.
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... What's True? ...

If history is a guide to GOP accusations, my answer would be ...

Little is true, most is misinformation.

That's the history of the Trump campaign .... lies and more lies...

Now the Trump campaign has to live with that.

The problem with trying to besmirch 24 years of service by someone that only served 2 is that eventually, the truth is going to catch up with you. Tim Walz has shown his authentic self to so many people whose lives he's touched, that this attempt to make him look like a fabulist or someone trying to dishonestly represent their service is doomed for failure.

Even a man who served with him that is staunchly opposed to his politics had nothing but positive things to say about him noted above. But also noted by Justice Eustice, he believes this smear was being boosted by the man who was passed over for the promotion that Walz got. Quelle surprise.

So it's more than likely this person will next appear as "a person who served with Walz" and be publicly hypercritical of him. It's the next call in the swift boat manual, you can almost take book on it.

From a mate:
November 02, 2018 at 6:00 PM

Paid letter: The Truth About Tim Walz
Tim Walz has embellished and selectively omitted facts and circumstances of his military career for years.

We, retired Command Sergeants Major of the Minnesota National Guard, feel it is our duty and responsibility to bring forth the truth as we know it concerning his service record. So, we have put together a timeline of his service post 9/11. To the best of our knowledge, this information is completely true, having been verified by all those who served in positions with first hand knowledge of the facts and circumstances of his service and departure from the Minnesota National Guard. Many of the dates and time frames are from his official discharge document and the reduction order reducing him to Master Sergeant.
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per 1TrumperNUT siding with only part of the story; the part Trump and Vance are Swift Boating Walz with.

And of course, being the perfect reverse barometer that he is, he's wrong as usual:

"Other soldiers who served with Walz have argued there was nothing to suggest Walz's departure from the service warrants suspicion.

Retired Command Sgt. Maj. Joseph Eustice told the Star Tribune in 2022 that Walz "was a great soldier" and that "when he chose to leave, he had every right to leave." He speculated that soldiers who claimed otherwise were misinformed or even harbored grudges for being passed over for promotions.

Another soldier who served with Walz, told MPR in 2018 that Walz had spoken at length about leaving the service to pursue a career in politics.

"Would the soldier look down on him because he didn't go with us? Would the common soldier say, 'Hey, he didn't go with us, he's trying to skip out on a deployment?' And he wasn't," Bonnifield said.

"He talked with us for quite a while on that subject. He weighed that decision to run for Congress very heavy. He loved the military, he loved the guard, he loved the soldiers he worked with."

Bonnifield did deploy to Iraq and returned with mental health issues that he said Walz helped connect struggling Guard members with help and worked to cut red tape as a member of Congress."

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Damn, that was quick.

August 7, 2024 at 8:11 p.m. EDT

Thomas Behrends, a retired command sergeant major who also was on that deployment (to Italy) has been a vocal critic of Walz's since at least 2018, when he and another Guard member, Paul Herr, placed a scathing letter to the editor in a local newspaper, the West Central Tribune, that accused Walz of exaggerating his military career for years as he ran for governor.

"He failed his country. He failed his state. He failed the Minnesota Army National Guard, the 1-125th Field Artillery Battalion, and his fellow Soldiers," Behrends and Herr wrote. "And he failed to lead by example. Shameful."

Behrends, who replaced Walz as the unit's command sergeant major, has donated to Republican political causes in the past. In 2022, he promoted a petition on his Facebook page demanding that Walz resign as governor, posting a photo of a grain silo - Behrends is a farmer - festooned with the phrase "Walz is a traitor!"

He also stood next to Walz's gubernatorial opponent, Republican Scott Jensen, at a campaign event that year and donated $2,500 to Jensen's campaign, records show. He acknowledged in an interview Wednesday that he has made political donations in the past and said they were not about politics. He went on to call Walz "as far left as they come," and said he can't speak to whether other candidates are lying, but does know "for a fact that Tim Walz is lying about his record."

www.washingtonpost.com

Hell hath no fury like GOP ex-military snowflakes scorned.

Hilarious, facts goes against Lumpers you make a new thread.

I know you Tony.

You'll disappear once it's shown Walz has been using his war veteran shtick to move ahead, and have credibility.

It's on video.

1TrumperNut makes a claim, not an argument.

As per usual.

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Of course lyingYav would approve of this biased narrative creating system.

I directly transcribed what was said in the CNN video you linked and lied about what was said in it.
This is not in dispute. It is easily proven to anyone that reads what I transcribed and watches the video you linked.

@#5 ... Hilarious, facts goes against Lumpers you make a new thread. ...

The usual name calling of your current alias aside ...

Actually, what I find to be more interesting is the posting of #4, which seems to contradict a comment posted by the same person.

How often has your current alias posted a comment that proffered a different opinion than what it posted?

The problem with trying to besmirch 24 years of service by someone that only served 2 is that eventually,
- Tony

They aren't besmirching it.

They are saying, nothing like collecting that sweet green, then when asked to deploy, go running away.

Vance went and deployed. You're besmirching that.

This is a bad look, I am just laying out facts.

Harris needs to have Walz address this ASAP.

You moron.
He deployed.
Learn the definition of terms.
He didn't deploy to Iraq.
He wasn't requested to deploy to Iraq.
He exited before his battalion was deployed to a combat zone FROM the deployment they were already on.

Vance never saw combat. You do know that, right?

His unit supported EUCOM ops from what little I've looked into on the matter.

Can't choose what element your NG/reserve unit supports. He retired before the unit was put on notice for deployment, it's not like he retired on the tarmac.

What's there to argue?

There's video of everything.

What's there to argue?

There's video of everything.

VD ----------- is a gimp.

You'll disappear once it's shown Walz has been using his war veteran shtick to move ahead, and have credibility.

Don't you realize that Walz' life outside of the Guard is by far more impressive and influential as to his personal character and humanity? As he said himself, his military experience doesn't define him but it did help him develop leadership capabilities. And that's on video too.

Seems like Walz is far more self aware than his critics. Even the comment about his use of his rifle in war was said to distinguish that AR-15 type guns have no place in the hands of disturbed Americans butchering schoolchildren trying to learn. He wasn't saying it as though he had participated in live firefights, he was saying it as an actual military member who does train and utilize a rifle designed to inflict maximum injury to the human body. It's consistent with his decades-long documented history of caring for people and causes near to his heart.

I'm not going to argue over the meaning of what was said. I'd rather look at the totality of someone's life than to dissect and parse snippets out of context in the attempt to tear down the respect and admiration of an extraordinary man.

And double so comparing Walz life to those of both Trump and Vance - neither of which have served anyone but themselves outside of Vance's 19 months of service as a Senator. Trump has never served a soul outside himself, his family, and those who enrich him for the entirety of his life.

Did Walz ever see any combat?

If not he shouldn't state or imply that he did. THAT is why he's being accused of stolen valor.

#16 Vance is a marine veteran.

Did Walz ever see any combat?

If not he shouldn't state or imply that he did.

It's all about context. No one that serves for 24 years should be judged by a couple of things that they've said along the way or after that journey is finished. They should be judged by their service. Were they good soldiers and/or leaders? Did their soldiers respect them? Were they respected in the chain of command? Did they receive commendations or did they get reprimands?

That's what's important to me.

#16 Vance is a marine veteran.

The problem with trying to besmirch 24 years of service by someone that only served 2 is that eventually, the truth is going to catch up with you.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma

"Did Walz see any combat?"

He never said he saw combat. At least I haven't found it if he did. For instance:

Oneironaut posts #12 and #13:

I transcribed the video posted in #12 so you can watch and read and not miss anything.
Walz said:
"I spent 24 years in the National Guard, some of that full time. I was an artilleray man I deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom my battalion provided base security throughout the European theater from Turkey to England in the early stages of the war in Afghanistan and that same battalion is now in Iraq."

He never says he was in Iraq. He never said he was in Afghanistan. He never said he saw combat. He's clear about his role and it was in support of Enduring Freedom from Europe.

The second video (#13) that was posted never quotes or provides what Walz said, but goes on and on about how what he said might be construed to be overstating. That is if you don't know anything and believe the only time you carry a weapon is when you are deployed to a combat zone. Listening to that person speak was cringeworthy. There is nothing of Walz own words in that video.

Also I provided a definition for what "stolen valor" is and from where I sit Vance is looking lilke he's the one that needs to answer for his own overstatement of what he did in Iraq in his 6 month deployment where he never saw combat.

@#16 ... Don't you realize that Walz' life outside of the Guard is by far more impressive and influential as to his personal character and humanity? ...

Of course they realize that.

That is the exact reason why they are harping on the imagined Guard issue they are trying to elevate.

Aside from that, they have nothing.

The Trump/Vance campaign was caught off-guard.

Taking a step back, if the Trump/Vance campaign is so easily caught off-guard, what does that say about how they might protect the security of the Country should they occupy the Oval Office?

Is fmr Pres Trump's kissing global autocrats' anal-pores really just saying, please don't attack us because we really don't have a clue?

@#27 ... Did Walz ever see any combat?

Does your current alias have a link that showed he said he did?

"I was lucky to escape any real fighting," - JD Vance

#30 - good question, because I sure can't find it. I can find people lying about what he said.
Check the link in #12, look at what the author wrote is in the video, then read what I transcribed and watch the video.
They do not match.
The author flat out lied about what was in the video.

@#29

To me, all this just looks like the usual unsubstantiated MAGA lies.

That makes me ask the question...

Why should someone vote for a party whose entire premise seems to be based upon lies about the opposing party?

Stated differently, why does fmr Pres Trump seem to need to lie as much as he does?

Why does he seem to be afraid of the truth?

I believe they believe that the truth is meaningless at best, and a hinderance - and that they can create the reality they want from sheer will.

IAMRUNT's child-raping hero refers to American soldiers as suckers and losers.

Here is CNN fact checking Walz.

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Seriously, the GQP candidate DODGED the Vietnam draft when his rich daddy got him a doctor's note for fake bone spurs that somehow do not show up on later medical exams, and in 2015 he couldn't even recall which leg had the bone spurs. At the age of four, I pulled the TV down on myself which broke my right foot, and 55 years later I KNOW IT WAS MY RIGHT FOOT! How many mid-western kids without rich daddies died in Orange Hitler's place?

That you POS would even consider swiftboating ANYBODY who served honorably for 24 years when Dotard in 2015, could not give ONE exmple of a time when he sacrificed for somebody else, and the King of Sofa sex served two whole years AS A REPORTER, WOW some comparison, as in NO EFFING COMPARISON. NEITHER OF THEM HAS SACRIFICED OR SERVED THE NEEDS OF ANYBODY BUT THEMSELVES!

The GQP ticket, a criminal timeshare salesman, pedophile, rapist, traitor, 5th grade bully, and a weird, ------ obsessed, women's period obsessed robberbaron. The Democratic ticket, an accomplished prosecutor, AG, Senator, and an accomplished soldier, school teacher, championship football coach, congressman and governor. The choice is obvious.

@#36

... and, your current alias' point is?

You asked me for links and I provided them.

@#38 ... You asked me for links and I provided them. ...

Did I ask for links?

Looking back I asked, "... and, your current alias' point is?"

So, I will ask once again, and state overtly, I am not asking for links, what's your current alias' point in its #33 and #36?

thx.

It is no surprise that the Trump campaign is running this so-called stolen valour campaign aganst Walz because the guy who was responsible for swiftboating John Kerry, Chris LaCivita, is now running the Trump campaign:

Trump 2024 campaign seeks to recruit man who smeared John Kerry

Ex-president eyeing Chris LaCivita, whose 2004 Swift Boat campaign questioned Kerry's Vietnam war record

As he prepares a possible new presidential campaign, Donald Trump is seeking to recruit an operative who was behind a group which famously questioned the Vietnam war record of the 2004 Democratic nominee, John Kerry, the Washington Post reported.

The operative who ran Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Chris LaCivita, worked for one Trump-aligned political action committee during the 2020 election and now runs another.

www.theguardian.com

If you are thinking so many of Trump's attack lines in this campaign sound familiar, you'd be right:

A longtime brawler and veteran of Republican politics, including the infamous Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign against John Kerry in 2004, today LaCivita is officially senior adviser to Donald Trump's presidential campaign--but he is really the de facto co-campaign manager along with Susie Wiles.

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Here is CNN fact checking Walz.
Already posted ih #13, already addressed in #29.
Dismissed.

This is the critical part from #33:
"That those weapons of war that I carried in (?) war is the only place where those weapons are allowed"

But it's not clear what the intent is.
The "in" is kind of swallowed.

One case he said
"...I carried in war, in the only place where those weapons are allowed" (sorta makes sense)

Second case he said:
"...I carried, and war is the only place where those weapons are allowed" (in context of what he said before this makes more sense)

As far as carrying a rifle you don't do it even in a combat zone (different than a "hot" zone) except in limited circumstances, and even at that, you don't have ammo except when actually needed. Weapons are locked up in the armory. They are issued for training and missions. JD Vance didn't carry a weapon based on what he's stated in Stars and Stripes.

I think that's a fair summary. Thoughts?

VoteVets
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Okay, folks. We're setting the record STRAIGHT. Here's @Tim_Walz record.

Retweet and save this image. Share it with EVERYONE lying about Walz.

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@#23

Wow.

All the Trump campaign seems to have is (are?) lies.

But then, that begs the question, when has fmr Pres Trump ever been truthful?

J.D. Vance's Stolen Valor' Claim Against Tim Walz Is Total B.S.

Vance also accused Walz of feigning a record in active combat: "[Walz] said " and he was making a point about gun control " he said, we shouldn't allow weapons that I used in war, to be on America's streets.' Well, I wonder, Tim Walz, when you ever in war?"

The senator actually misquoted Walz in his screed. In the clip Vance was referencing, Walz says that he "carried" weapons in war, not "used." Given that Operation Enduring Freedom was a part of the post-9/11 War on Terror, and that Walz was deployed to Italy under it--and likely had a service weapon--the claim that he is engaging in "stolen valor" holds little water.

Vance spoke on Wednesday as if he served more honorably than Walz, noting that he went to Iraq "I did it, I did what they asked me to do and I did it honorably," he said The senator was deployed for six months in Iraq as a combat correspondent in 2005 as part of the Marines' Public Affairs office. He-- like Walz--never engaged in active combat and has stated that he was "lucky to escape any real fighting," during his deployment.

In 2018, Al Bonnifield, who served under Walz in the Guard, told MPR News that Walz "talked with us for quite a while on that subject [of retiring]. He weighed that decision to run for Congress very heavy. He loved the military, he loved the Guard, he loved the soldiers he worked with."

Walz told the outlet that "once you're in, it's hard to retire. Of my 40 years or 41 years, I had been in the military 24 of them. It was just what you did ... So that transition period was just a challenge."

"I know that there are certainly folks that did far more than I did. I know that," Walz added. "I willingly say that I got far more out of the military than they got out of me, from the GI Bill to leadership opportunities to everything else."

Twenty-four years of service is nothing to sneeze at, and Vance is running alongside a known draft dodger who has repeatedly disparaged veterans and Gold Star families. If Vance wants to critique a man's honor, he should start with his running mate.

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The The - This Is the Day (1983)
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Lyrics excerpt ...

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...
Well you didn't wake up this morning
'Cause you didn't go to bed
You were watching the whites of your eyes turn red
The calendar on your wall
Is ticking the days off
You've been reading some old letters
You smile and think how much you've changed
All the money in the world
Couldn't buy back those days
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Back when i was loading all of my CDs and vinyl albums into a media database ( jriver.com ) I went with the rule that the leading "The" of groups would be dropped.

So, "Who" and not "The Who" in the database. That all worked well until Mr Matt Johnson came along with the great "The The."

What was I to do?

I made an exception, the "The" is dropped for groups, except for "The The."

Wow, I'm now in a happy place.

And, if i may say...

You were watching the whites of your eyes turn red

They don't write lyrics like that anymore.

Rolling Stone is really carrying water for Dems with this pedantic nonsense:

" The senator actually misquoted Walz in his screed. In the clip Vance was referencing, Walz says that he "carried" weapons in war, not "used.""

It's like parsing what the definition of is is.

@#22 ... It is no surprise that the Trump campaign is running this so-called stolen valour campaign aganst Walz because the guy who was responsible for swiftboating John Kerry, Chris LaCivita, is now running the Trump campaign: ...

I'll proffer a view that I think the reason why the Trump campaign seems to be flailing of late is simple.

They got nothing.

I do not know how else to describe it.

They got nothing.

And they know it.

I think there is a difference between carrying a gun and using one. A lot of people carry guns everyday who don't use them.

You have to wonder if people who don't know the difference between carrying a gun and using one ever did either.

- parsing

As Gal noted, there's a big difference between carried and used, and Walz said what he meant, not what you and Trump wanted him to have said.

@#44 ... It's like parsing what the definition of is is. ...

Not really.

What it seems to be like is your current alias actively avoiding questions poised to it.

For example...

From #39 ...

@#38 ... You asked me for links and I provided them. ...

Did I ask for links?

Looking back I asked, "... and, your current alias' point is?"

So, I will ask once again, and state overtly, I am not asking for links, what's your current alias' point in its #33 and #36?

thx.

Why does your current alias seem to be so scared of answering a simple question poised to it?

"Parsing" - using words and their actual definitions.

Good lord, Jeff. Just stop.

Interesting:

Peter Kauffmann
@PeterKauffmann
It's ironic that Team Trump is attacking Tim Walz for his 24 years of service.
If you're old enough to remember GOP attacks on Al Gore's military record (son of anti-war US Senator who enlisted in the Army), JD Vance did the same job in the USMC (reporter) as Gore did in Vietnam.

Don't let them do to this good man what they did to John kerry. Tim Walz serve 20 years in the army. And that is adorable.

Pete for the win:

Pete Buttigieg
@PeteButtigieg
Come to think of it, denigrating the worth of a soldier's service based on whether he deployed to a war zone is ... kind of like denigrating the worth of a woman's citizenship based on whether she happens to have children.
10:28 PM Aug 7, 2024

Brutal facts :

Just in: A Video from 2009 shows a veteran confronting Tim Walz's staff over claims that he served in Afghanistan. The veteran said Walz could go to jail for violating the Stolen Valor Act of 2006 for claiming to have served in Afghanistan when he didn't
x.com

Come to think of it, denigrating the worth of a soldier's service based on whether he deployed to a war zone is ... kind of like denigrating the worth of a woman's citizenship based on whether she happens to have children.
10:28 PM Aug 7, 2024

#52 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I love Pete, Pete should sit this out, for his future. Lumpers are running around besmerching Vance for 2 years in a war zone.

Don't let them do to this good man what they did to John

What happened to John?

Tim Walz serve 20 years in the army. And that is adorable.

So what, collecting a check, then when called to serve running away doesn't sit well with actual military people who did go to Iraq.

FYI this is tending on X

Unlike @Tim_Walz, I actually deployed to Iraq!!

x.com

I give you facts, you are emotionally involved.

BTW: on X its being said Walz is a German name, he's related to Hitler.

Harris needs to get Walz to hold a presser and clear the air.

Oh my

It looks like Tim Walz may also have used stolen valor claims to falsely receive retirement pay he wasn't entitled to
x.com

Brutal .. he's really gotta get out in front of this.

Just in case you wanna besmirch Vances position in the military, like LyinYav, and TonyImGoneRoma ... .

USMC Major Megan McClung was also a Marine public affairs officer. She was killed by an IED in Anbar, Iraq. She wasn't kicking down doors, either. She is buried in Section 60 at Arlington.

Shame on you.
x.com

It's like parsing what the definition of is is.

#44 | Posted by BellRinger

No. It's literally parsing who is and is not considered a war veteran. Walz wad deployed during the War on Terror. You going to suggest the folks deployed during Vietnam to various countries are war veterans because they didn't see any action?

Yes, let's parse that out once and for all.

*are NOT war veterans

Look at the size of the crowd at tonight's Detroit rally!

VIDEO: x.com

"Liberal" oneironut attacking Walz with Vance talking points.

youre a pos npc.

@#Z56 ... I give you facts, you are emotionally involved. ...

Your current alias provides links to Mr Musk's site that seems to encourage hate speech and misinformation.

So, how does your current alias justify that phlegm as fact?

Or maybe, just maybe, your current alias is so embedded in the world of MAGA alternative facts that it has not a clue what an actual fact (reality) is?

Alternative facts
en.wikipedia.org

... "Alternative facts" was a phrase used by U.S. Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway during a Meet the Press interview on January 22, 2017, in which she defended White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer's false statement about the attendance numbers of Donald Trump's inauguration as President of the United States. When pressed during the interview with Chuck Todd to explain why Spicer would "utter a provable falsehood", Conway stated that Spicer was giving "alternative facts". Todd responded, "Look, alternative facts are not facts. They're falsehoods."[1]

Conway's use of the phrase "alternative facts" for demonstrable falsehoods was widely mocked on social media and sharply criticized by journalists and media organizations, including Dan Rather, Jill Abramson, and the Public Relations Society of America. The phrase was extensively described as Orwellian, particularly in reference to the term doublethink. Within four days of the interview, sales of George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four had increased 95-fold, which The New York Times and others attributed to Conway's use of the phrase, making it the number-one bestseller on Amazon.com.[2] ...

#63 Walz is a German name, probably related to Hitler.

Just saying.

Your current alias provides links to Mr Musk's site that seems to encourage hate speech and misinformation.

So? what link has promoted hate speech or misinformation?

This site is full of racist comments about Chinese, what why do you use this site? Are you are Chinese racist?

Or maybe, just maybe, your current alias is so embedded in the world of MAGA alternative facts that it has not a clue what an actual fact (reality) is?

Only an idiot without any logical skills would say such a thing.

"Liberal" oneironut attacking Walz with Vance talking points.
youre a pos npc.
#62 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Not attacking, just telling you guys you're under a hypnosis.

Find the reality and we can win. Keep rooting for the Elites picks and we lose.

Choose your path.

Using the NPC term I was suspended.

You not being suspended should tell you how you are in the DR bubble and can't get out.

Look at the size of the crowd at tonight's Detroit rally!
VIDEO: x.com
#61 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Looks pretty White for Detroit, wouldn't you say?

ONEIRONICAUNTIE... seems stuck on the losing strategy. Doesn't she have a conservatron forum she can vent on? ....a choir she can preach to?

Bunker ------ is worried about losing. He wants JV Dunce out front so that when the campaign crashes and burns he can blame Dunce. Come out of the basement, Donnie. The public needs to be reminded about your service record and your beautiful thoughts about POWs and KIAs.

i didnt get suspended because i wasnt stupid enough to attack the site owner.

" Looks pretty White for Detroit, wouldn't you say?"

what is your point?

It's turtles of corruption all the way down:

Jane Mayer
@JaneMayerNYer
Remember when John Kerry was Swiftboated by Chris LaCivita who is doing it to Tim Walz now? Guess who funded it? Harlan Crow, the billionaire who has been lavishing freebies on Clarence Thomas.
7:36 AM Aug 8, 2024

"#63 Walz is a German name, probably related to Hitler.
Just saying."

Per usual you are just saying BS, garbage, nonsense:

Steven Greenhouse
@greenhousenyt
Some Jewish voters are upset Harris chose Walz over Josh Shapiro

Many voters don't know that Walz wrote his masters thesis on how to improve education on the Holocaust. As governor, he pushed for a mandate to teach about the Holocaust in Minnesota schools

x.com

#4 | Posted by YAV

Not disagreeing with you, but this is a predictable occurrence given how people treated Bush's service.

Vet twitter has been kind of interesting to read on this.

"#63 Walz is a German name, probably related to Hitler.
Just saying."

Meanwhile back in the real world:

Timothy Snyder
@TimothyDSnyder
Vance invests financially in the pro-Nazi and pro-Putin part of the internet.

JD Vance Is An Investor In A Far Right Video Platform Filled With Neo-Nazi Content

talkingpointsmemo.com

"Tim Walz serve 20 years in the army. And that is adorable."

Oh for FFS..nobody gives a crap. Especially those here who pretend they care.

We attack military service here. Not respect it.

It might be the most hypocritical issue ever discussed on this site.

Stop making fun of Trumpanzee's disability... Bone spurs are a serious detriment to serving.

qph.cf2.quoracdn.net

Oh ---- Tim Walz was a Sgt Major?

Don't ---- with that guy.

We attack military service here. Not respect it.

Nonsense.

you're right. It is nonsense but it won't stop. People can't help themselves.

Peter Henlein
@SwissWatchGuy
I am not an expert on Walz's military career, but I do know MAGA would be attacking his military service no matter what he did or didn't do.

He could have been an actual American hero who endured torture and misery for this country for 5 years as a POW in Vietnam, and they'd not only mock him for that, they'd spend years attacking his entire military career, including his time as a POW, with total unfounded --------.

We know because that exact scenario happened when it was John McCain who was the enemy.

#79 | Posted by eberly

I am not going to say nobody attacked Military service here however I am sure you can cite some juicy examples - so please do so.

The left leaning posters are not like Trump and I remember only took offense to his comments on the "suckers" who died for this country. I can't recall anyone on the right attacking it here either. Now attacks on some who claim to be military or ex-military sure - but not on their service. Separate the person from the service.

-Now attacks on some who claim to be military or ex-military sure - but not on their service. Separate the person from the service.

Not attacking, just telling you guys you're under a hypnosis.

#65 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-08 12:34 AM | Reply | Flag: EYE ROLL

So are you psychic? You can read all our minds?

Personally... I think the republicl0wns usually argue with little encapsulated ditties because you are pretty feckin insular in your points of view.

Furthermore... Trumpanzee's success is that he "sticks it to us" from his lofty protected perch in ways you don't have the nuggets to do because you live on the ground floor with the rest of us. It's not safe for you to do that... as 1/6 demonstrated. The reason the insurrection failed is most Americans don't want that crap.

Your team thought it funny him poking at us...haha... until we reacted... so here we are smacking you around ... and you don't think it's funny anymore... so now you are in full boohoo mode. Telling it's happening to you for no good reason... OMG we're so mean... gonna destroy the country with free meals in schools.

Fact... we knew who Kamala Harrison was/is... we've known her a long time... she is not a surprise to us. We voted her in by more votes than the Trumpanzee/Pencehole ticket. (turns out Pence was the only legitimate thing on your ticket.) Tired old "sleepy Joe" came out of retirement to extract Trumpanzee from office. He with Kamala Harris were successful. The only ones caught by surprise is Trumpanzee and his basket of insulars.

You want to lead the world and you can see past "the only one who can do it".
The only one! In a world of 8 billion! There is only one!

And you call us a cult... Really? Hhmmmmm... Really? Like I said talking smack isn't so funny anymore... eh crybaby?

Like I said insular... smh

It's irrelevant what is true to the GQP. They'll believe the lies because it confirms their bias.

"I was lucky to escape any real fighting," - JD Vance

Did he put in for a purple heart from a paper cut while writing press releases from an air conditioned office?

JP spent 6 months as a PR guy in Iraq.

Tim spend 26 years in the NG.

He put in for retirement to run for Congress ten months before his unit was deployed.

JP will lie about everything because that is all they have...lies and hate.

Vance's 19 months of service as a Senator.

VoteVets
@votevets
JD Vance has a LONG record of attacking US Troops and Veterans. In less than two years in Congress he voted:

NO on a pay raise for US Troops
NO on funding for the VA
NO on expanding home care for Veterans
NO on aid to Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan
NO on border security
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4:56 PM Aug 7, 2024

JP Hamel is a me first vulture capitalist running with a real estate robber barron pretending to care about what the middle class. There is nothing Corporal Newsboy and Cadet Bone Spurs won't lie about.

Remember Kamal and Joe were party rivals for the same job... and he saw in her fight against him a woman with potential... not someone who should be crushed to make him look like the best. Trumpanzee thinks he is the only one who can do it... he crushed his rivals... and made them follow his lead if they wanted to get anywhere in the party.

Derp derp derp... they went along... world leaders watched how easily they are bought.

1Nut still can't see the forest for the trees... can't see a Dem President for his own intellectual conciet.

Which in his case is highly overrated by him.

But Trump does indeed appreciate his weird concern.

I love Pete, Pete should sit this out, for his future. Lumpers are running around besmerching Vance for 2 years in a war zone.

Vance was in Iraq for 6 months.
He never saw combat.
He never saw any fighting.
He said that in an interview with Stars and Stripes.
Vance's total time in the Armed Services was 4 years.
Walz time was 24 years.
That is 6 times longer than Vance.

I respect both for serving our Country, which is way more than "I don't remember I don't recall!" (which foot had bone spurs) Trump. Trump who denigrates service to our Country. Having said that Vance is a POS, through and through, and he's weird AF.

JD Vance didn't see combat either.

He sat in an air conditioned office where he spent 6 months as a Marine correspondent at the PR office in the Green Zone.

you're right. It is nonsense but it won't stop. People can't help themselves.
#79 | POSTED BY EBERL

Who other than boaz has had their service even brought up?

Tim Walz is not the first time that JD Vance has played this pathetic and unpatriotic game.

It turns out that two years ago he tried to smear the reputation of retired Army General Barry McCaffrey.

"other than boaz"

So you're admitting you know Boaz's service has been attacked?

then why call it nonsense when you know it's true?

and he's not alone. Madbomber, Donnerboy both come to mind.

Who other than boaz has had their service even brought up?

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-08 11:52 AM | Reply |

I've spoke of my son being a veteran and it's been mocked. Moderhate was the last one to do it.

Walz mixed words to make it sound like he's been to war when he hasn't. My son has been to war, Walz hasn't. ---- him, he brought this ---- on himself

Some really radical folks here might believe in their hearts that military service is evil and those folks should be condemned for their service...but I think most folks here who gang rape people like Boaz over his military service don't really have an issue with it.

They're just unable to argue the issue at hand successfully with them so they make it personal. Try to hurt him with it. It's not really about the service to them but they're just trying yank his chain.

Two things:

One, the exact quote is

"and we can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried, in war is the only place those weapons are at."

Two:

Furthermore, a "war veteran" is defined as someone who was deployed to foreign waters or soils by any branch of the U.S. armed forces to participate in direct or support activities against a U.S. enemy. "Combat veterans" are those who have engaged in hostilities of any magnitude or participated in combat actions due to friendly, offensive, or defensive military fire, involving real or perceived enemies according to predetermined combat operations.

www.va.org

The same "Swiftboat" a***ole who led the smear campaign against Kerry is on Trump's team now.

Walz never said he'd gone to war. In fact, he quite clearly said he wasn't. From a 2018 MPR article:

During his two decades, Walz was part of flood fights, responded to tornadoes and spent months on active duty deployed overseas.

He specialized in heavy artillery and had ribbons for proficiency in sharpshooting and hand grenades, according to military records obtained through an open records request.

Walz acknowledges he never saw combat.

"I know that there are certainly folks that did far more than I did. I know that," Walz said. "I willingly say that I got far more out of the military than they got out of me, from the GI Bill to leadership opportunities to everything else."

www.mprnews.org

It's not BS in any way given all of the facts that have been released. Just because you don't like there is a negative doesn't make it bs...which is typical of liberal fact-checkers.

The best we can describe it is semantics. I do think he has used the exaggeration for gain but not maliciously. It's not like he's saying he did the best job ever in the position or made huge accomplishments. But, by the written rules, his title was not formal. He knows it and so does almost every other person in the military. They don't have ambiguity in their formal government documents, it's plainly written what he had to do to achieve that rank and he didn't do it. Case closed. But Reps don't need to be using it like it's some sort of justified attack against him. Semantics are the last thing that should be used for demonizing someone.

"It's not BS in any way given all of the facts that have been released."
True. And that's what we've done.
Transcripted exactly what was said.
Put it in full context.
Been honest with it.

But then your side lies and twists and deliberately misinterprets and then spreads it out with more and more hyperbole. It is a behavior you have chosen and embrace, even celebrate by putting a total scum bag lying sack of shht as your candidate for President.

Walz suffered hearing loss due to his service, but Republicans don't think he served honorably. It's precisely because he served honorably that the GOP is trying to Swift boat him:

Walz did suffer health consequences from all those howitzer cannon booms. U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs records supplied by Walz after MPR News inquired about the scope and timing of the damage show he filed a claim for bilateral hearing loss and tinnitus with the agency in 2013.

In a benefits application, Walz spoke of blasts that "would knock us down and after firing I had ringing in my ears" and hearing loss that progressively worsened during his 21 years in the field artillery unit.

In late 2002, he was ordered to appear before a medical retention board about the hearing impairment. After waiting for a decision for months, he was given clearance to serve out the remaining years of his final six-year enlistment.

Medical records show that in 2005 Walz underwent stapedectomy surgery, a procedure in which damaged bones inside the ear are replaced with a prosthesis. He said it has improved his hearing.

By the time Walz left the military, he achieved the rank of command sergeant major, one of the top ranks for an enlisted soldier. Personnel file records show that he was reduced in rank months after retiring, leaving him as a master sergeant for benefits purposes.

Capt. Holly Rockow, a public affairs officer for the Minnesota National Guard, said it is legitimate for Walz to say he served as a command sergeant major. She said the rank changed because Walz retired before completing coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy along with other requirements associated with his promotion.

As command sergeant major, Walz holds the distinction as the highest-elected enlisted member ever to serve in Congress, a point of pride colleagues sometimes brought up at Capitol Hill hearings.

www.mprnews.org

I have a question......who is the audience for this whole argument? On whose behalf is this being argued about?

IOW, whose vote are we trying to change?

Veterans? anybody who has served or has a family member/someone very close to them who served who we believe is sensitive to this issue?

Are there really that many votes up for grabs over this issue? And the issue is the semantics of parsing statements and going out of our way to accuse someone such as Walz of misrepresenting their military service in some way.

There is some faction of voters this will impact?

------- served his country by taking putin's ---- up his ass

"It's not BS in any way given all of the facts that have been released."

Spewing more BS is not going to help prove your point.

The man served honorably for 24 years. 20 years more than Vance and 24 more years than dishonorable cadet bone spurs who served zero time.

Now ... .as they say ...

Swallow it!

"But, by the written rules, his title was not formal. He knows it and so does almost every other person in the military. They don't have ambiguity in their formal government documents, it's plainly written what he had to do to achieve that rank and he didn't do it. Case closed. "

If this is what you mean by case closed, I agree:

By the time Walz left the military, he achieved the rank of command sergeant major, one of the top ranks for an enlisted soldier. Personnel file records show that he was reduced in rank months after retiring, leaving him as a master sergeant for benefits purposes.

Capt. Holly Rockow, a public affairs officer for the Minnesota National Guard, said it is legitimate for Walz to say he served as a command sergeant major. She said the rank changed because Walz retired before completing coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy along with other requirements associated with his promotion.

IOW, Walz did serve as a command sergeant major, but because he retired before he finished the coursework that was also required for that position before he retired, he doesn't get the pension associated with that position.

I have a question......who is the audience for this whole argument? On whose behalf is this being argued about?
IOW, whose vote are we trying to change?
Veterans? anybody who has served or has a family member/someone very close to them who served who we believe is sensitive to this issue?
Are there really that many votes up for grabs over this issue? And the issue is the semantics of parsing statements and going out of our way to accuse someone such as Walz of misrepresenting their military service in some way.
There is some faction of voters this will impact?
#100 | Posted by eberly

I think the goal is to dirty him up, make him appear to be a liar, a dishonorable unpatrioatic guy who can't be trusted. Who is the audience? Low information voters. Fox News watchers. Right-wing X users. The whole point is to give Trump and Vance something to talk about on the campaign trail and folks like Hannity, Ingrams and Watters something to talk about on their nightly broadcasts. And then to give MAGA voters like 1Lumper2 something to talk about online. It's all about the talking points, which we know don't have to be true to be repeated ad infinitum.

"But, by the written rules, his title was not formal."

What a load of HS.

Did he wear the rank on his uniform ? Then it was official and formal. If you were a subordinate and did not treat and respect him as a Sargent Major it would have been insubordination.

Tim Walz could have and should have been a bit more precise in the language he used. But this is not the issue Peter Thiel's ventriloquist dummy and cadet bone spurs pretend it is.

#104 - yes, Gal. I think you have it.
The only way they can stand against Walz is to make him appear to be as disreputable as they are. Take his record of service and destroy it so they can point at him and say "he's no better than me!"

It's what you do when you are so seriously outclassed and outgunned. Trash the other person's reputation so that there's not enough perceived difference for it to be an advantage.

So you're admitting you know Boaz's service has been attacked?

#91 | Posted by eberly

Playing moron like with my post, eh? No you moron. He is not saying his "service", he said he is the only one he knew of that talked about their service. HE (Boaz) has been attacked for being an igit. IF his SERVICE has been attacked, show us where. To clarify, I called YOU a moron, IF you had served I would not have been attacking "your service" but you. Don't pull a Cpl Air Conditioned Office Reporter Vance on us accusing someone of "dodging a deployment" after retiring to run for office long before it.

Boaz is a big boy, if he is around I am sure he post some remarks attacking his service IF they exist.

I've spoke of my son being a veteran and it's been mocked. Moderhate was the last one to do it.

#92 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Link? Should be an easy one for you to dig up but I for one never saw one.

Again Pete for the win:

Pete Buttigieg
@PeteButtigieg
Tim Walz served honorably and well.

Again, this is strategic: team Trump needs us tied up in debates over pre-retirement conditional rank promotions because they are desperate NOT to discuss their (unpopular) policies, like tax cuts for the rich and banning access to abortion.
9:59 AM Aug 8, 2024

So you're admitting you know Boaz's service has been attacked?

Cool non sequitur.

then why call it nonsense when you know it's true?

I didn't say it was true.

It was a simple question and you've extrapolated a ton.

and he's not alone. Madbomber, Donnerboy both come to mind.

#119 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Finally, an answer.

I don't remember their service being attacked, but that doesn't mean I'm saying it hasn't been.

#121 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yes to the chain yanking part.

You're also misunderstanding what the critique is. Can't tell if that's intentional or not, but I'll give you a ------- not an attack on his service.

-HE (Boaz) has been attacked for being an igit. IF his SERVICE has been attacked, show us where

IF you're going to insist Boaz hasn't had his service attacked then we're done with this conversation.

You don't believe it happened. Fine.

I'm not going back to find it. We'll leave it at that.

The only thing I recall is boaz's cognitive dissonance being pointed out. How he loves him them benefits and cash when it's in his favor but hates it when it's not and salivates over civil conflict.

Neither of those are mocking his service.

Anyone that attacks anyone for their service to our nation is an idiot and a scumbag that doesn't know what service means.
The only people I know that have done that are Trump, Vance and their minions.

Jeezus that windbag Trump is talking and droning on and on, spewing his twisted fantasies and telling lie after lie.
I finally had to mute him.
So deranged.

-The only thing I recall is boaz's cognitive dissonance being pointed out.

okay

The GOP, and especially its chickenhawk wing (pun intended), does this kinda crap routinely, even to amputees.

Why anyone listens to them is beyond me. Must be all the homeschoolin'.

Jeezus that windbag Trump is talking and droning on and on, spewing his twisted fantasies and telling lie after lie.
I finally had to mute him.
So deranged.
#143 | Posted by YAV

New day, same old shishtski.

This whole "news conference" is so totally ---- vapid. To use one of Trump's own favorite words: unbelievable.

#147
Man, Trump's act is stale AF.

Did Trump just refer to a "beautiful sofa"?
Lol

Crowd size, crowd size. I had more people than Dr. Martin Luther King in the same venue. He had a million people and I had more than that! I liked Dr. Marting Luther King.

Dear God. WTF is wrong with the MSM to meekly allow all this balderdash?

"Beautiful sofa"

Where?!?

-JD Vance

Again with the lies about abortion: Everybody wanted ot bring it back to the states. Republicans, Democrats and Independents all wanted to bring it back to the states. It's going to be a very small issue.

It is insanity.
I don't know another way to put it.
He is living in an alternate reality.

Trump just said his base is about 75% of the country.

He's also pretending he didn't participate in the "lock her up" crap. He's just too nice for that.

Oh, yes, he "protected" Hillary according to him. Even though she was "evil" and did so many "bad" things.

"They sell hats, Trump was right about everything. And I was right about a lot of things."

He looks old... and weak and stupid.

He protected "Crooked Hillary"?

What about his campaign promise to "lock her up!"

Just another lie from diaper don.

Republicans love being lied to.

"I don't remember their service being attacked, but that doesn't mean I'm saying it hasn't been."

Maybe not attacked, but certainly questioned. Whatever...

In any case, Walz was a senior enlisted guy who was trained in field artillery. Even if he had deployed to a CZ, he would have been advising his CG on the affairs of the enlisted troops. Not out kicking in doors. Even if he had stayed on the Ops side, it could have been as an Ops Sergeant Major...still not kicking in doors. Not as an FA guy. Not that I've ever heard of.

And Vance was a public affairs guy attached to a Marine Air Wing. Mos def not kicking in doors.

Kamala Harris' presidential campaign updated its online biography of running mate Tim Walz's military service amid Republican efforts to question his record in the Army National Guard.

On its website, the Harris campaign axed a reference to Walz as a "retired command sergeant major" and now says that he once served at the command sergeant major rank " a small change that nonetheless reflects his true rank at retirement from the Army National Guard. Walz, the governor of Minnesota, served for 24 years in the National Guard before retiring in 2005 from the military to run for the U.S. House, where he became the most senior enlisted soldier to serve in Congress.

Maybe not attacked, but certainly questioned. Whatever...

In what way?

Not being snarky, honestly don't remember you taking ---- for serving.

He achieved the rank and wasn't demoted for doing wrong but as a defacto result of not filing paper work.

who gives a f?

Most do give a ---- about lies and liars. Blumenthal lied to get elected too. Media covered for him too.

Why do they not have the confidence and character to speak truth and facts about something like that? This is a fatal flaw in the man just as it was in Blumenthal. Politicians with fatal character flaws are too numerous. They will say anything for political advantage. That's the bottom line.

You obviously don't give a ---- about lies and liars. You are hilariously blind of you think you do.

Why would Mr Walz not deploy with his NG unit and why would he then lie about the fact that he did not? There is a big obligation to always to be honest just like Sen Blumenthat had such obligation who then lied also about Viet Nam. No one is taking his service history from him. But why did he embellish and lie if not for self serving politics?

He achieved the rank and wasn't demoted for doing wrong but as a defacto result of not filing paper work.

who gives a f?

#164 | POSTED BY TOR

This is false, he was given the rank, signed the paperwork, to upon condition of completing training for the rank.

He chose not to complete the training (780hrs), thus it was rescinded. Achieving the rank would be completing the training necessary.

It's not complicated, and it's not that he did anything wrong.

OTHER THAN USE THE RANK he didn't achieve for self promotion and career embellishment.

You obviously don't give a ---- about lies and liars. You are hilariously blind of you think you do.
~ LyinYav

LyinYav complaining about liars. That's funny right there.

The Republicans are giving up on attacking Tim's commendable military service. They're moving on to more disgusting and ridiculous claims praying that people will repeat them.

Anyone know where Trump served in the military? Oh right he didn't.

This is false, he was given the rank, signed the paperwork, to upon condition of completing training for the rank.
He chose not to complete the training (780hrs), thus it was rescinded. Achieving the rank would be completing the training necessary.
It's not complicated, and it's not that he did anything wrong.
OTHER THAN USE THE RANK he didn't achieve for self promotion and career embellishment.
#168 | Posted by oneironaut

That's not what the MNG said:

By the time Walz left the military, he achieved the rank of command sergeant major, one of the top ranks for an enlisted soldier. Personnel file records show that he was reduced in rank months after retiring, leaving him as a master sergeant for benefits purposes.

Capt. Holly Rockow, a public affairs officer for the Minnesota National Guard, said it is legitimate for Walz to say he served as a command sergeant major. She said the rank changed because Walz retired before completing coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy along with other requirements associated with his promotion.

#131 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-08-08

Link for #172: www.mprnews.org

" OTHER THAN USE THE RANK he didn't achieve"

That's stupid.

He DID serve IN THAT RANK.

That's like saying an interim head coach was never a head coach.

Onenut's going to beat this dead horse until there's nothing but wet dirt.
This attempt by LaCivita, co-campaign manager for Trump's campaign, isn't going to work.
LaCivita shot his wad using this tactic with John Kerry. Now he's shooting blanks.

1QaNut, lol.

Always with the Conspiracy! theories.

This --- has no clue

There is some faction of voters this will impact?
#128 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's a discussion that fills time while team Trump attempts to figure out an effective angle of attack on their new opponents.

Frocking rank is a concept that has few civilian comparisons so it's kind of a head trip.
One of the sailors in my department was once frocked E5, then picked up UCMJ charges before being a paid E5 (still being paid E4 until that true promotion date occurs), was bumped down one pay grade to E3.

"Not being snarky, honestly don't remember you taking ---- for serving."

Yeah. Once or twice. I can't remember who. Commented that I was lying about having been in the military.

Oh, and many more comments about killing brown people and whatever. probably mostly from Effete.

"probably mostly from Effete."

So ... nobody.

I've given Boaz crap for his "I got mine attitude' regarding social welfare programs like govt funded healthcare when he gets taxpayer funded healthcare for life. Easy to take that position when you'll never have to face bankruptcy from a medical problem.

-Oh, and many more comments about killing brown people and whatever. probably mostly from Effete.

It's been way more people than Effete. And everyone here knows it. They can pretend they don't remember or that they didn't see it.

You're taking the high road which I applaud.

And again...it's not about the service. It's just a pathetic attempt to take jabs at someone they can't muster any other argument with.

Anyone know where Trump served in the military? Oh right he didn't.

Posted by Tor at 2024-08-08 08:30 PM |

Meal team six, semper pie division.

You have to wonder if people who don't know the difference between carrying a gun and using one ever did either.
#72 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2024-08-07 10:36 PM | FLAG:
As Gal noted, there's a big difference between carried and used, and Walz said what he meant, not what you and Trump wanted him to have said.
#73 | POSTED BY CORKY

I am not sure but isn't the RightWing MAGAt position? There are millions of gun owners that do carry, and don't use them?

Idk maybe you two are gun lovers. I am not but, your argument seems to indicate you are.

#181 | POSTED BY ZARNON

My take is this, you're free to join and serve to qualify for those benefits.

Seems like you want those benefits without any serving. Just because what? You're a citizen?

Tim Walz retired as a "master sergeant" not as a "command sergeant" as his biography states.

--Minnesota National Guard.

discussion over but you boyz feel free to just keep on lying..

Just you trying to obfuscate.
The details have been laid out, plain and simple, and documented.
Unlike your assertion.

Take the "L" and move along.

Where is the outrage that he used his GI Benefits to pay for his college to become a teacher? He is a moocher.

He is a moocher.

#189 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

C'mon, you know that argument is dumb asf haha. Vance used the GI Bill to go to OSU and then law school too.

Haven't been following this much since I've been traveling, but I saw an interview on CNN international with his commanding officer, who apparently sounded butthurt that Walz wasn't subservient to protocol at the end of his military career. If this is the main criticism, it sounds like the type of lame arguments that Democrats would make about their opponents when desperate.

in a recent tweet from harris campaign this lying piece of garbage said....

--"and I"ll make sure that those weapons that I carried in war are the only place that those weapons are used."

Tim Walz, 2018.

and there is no more !!!! information needed to know he's a scum sucking / stolen valor lying douche..

Try it with some commas and common sense.

"We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried, in war is the only place where those weapons are at."

People do not speak according to the textbook rules of grammar, as any linguist will tell you.

and there is no more !!!! information needed to know he's a scum sucking / stolen valor lying douche..

#192 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

That's not "stolen valor" Shemp.

We know you don't care about looking like an idiot but you (or your handlers) might wanna look up the definition of "stolen valor".

Neither Trump nor his two sons ever saw fit to serve their country or enage in service to benefit anyone but themselves.

Gov. Walz had already had 20 years and could have retired with a full pension when 9/11 hit.

The NG wanted him to retire due to "acute hearing loss" thanks to his years around artillery.

He was 2+ years into that most recent 6 year enlistment when 9/11 hit.

Instead of taking his pension and sitting out, he urgently requested they let him finish out his enlistment term, and they did.

THAT'S service to his country. And JV Vance didn't reenlist, did he?

BTW, neither Trump nor any of his family have served others in any capacity, including the military. His daddy helped Donold dodge the draft instead. And Trump can't remember which foot has those mysterious "bone spurs," which can only be treated with surgery.

Insulting Shemp??

Now I've seen everything!

there is no more !!!! information needed to know he's a scum sucking / stolen valor lying douche..

Walz wasn't talking about himself or his service record at the time of his remarks. He was reciting an anecdote related to his personal experience with rifles used in war, and he finished his remarks by analogizing such weapons belong on battlefields, not for use on American streets nor for the expedient killing of American children in their classrooms.

He was talking about the need for stricter gun laws and regulations in the aftermath of another tragic school shooting. I think one has to be polishing their own apple as it regards intentionally embellishing their service, not just simply using the example of service to make a point wholly unrelated to that service.

There is literally nothing here to criticize if one even mildly considers the context of the remarks to begin with.

" ... if one even mildly considers the context of the remarks"

I'll take Things Republicans Will Never Do for $1,600, Ken.

I find that once people believe a Liar like Lil Donnie, well, they'll continue to do so even in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary.

Prolly cause they just want to; they just want things to be the way the Liar said they would be if the people would just give him lots of money and ignore his crimes*...

... and once they've said that they believe something, well, admitting they are wrong just is going to be... very difficult for them, because they have real trouble admitting their mistakes.

And all they really want is for it to all be over.

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Will Democrats ever stop lying as their primary tool to win elections? Gov Walz obviously purposely lied about his deployment and combat status and so called E9 paygrade rank because when exposed they secretly corrected it to E8 master Sgt. The leftists live on lies and untruths and a media that lies with them. I'm honestly beyond sick of their untruths.

@#200 ... Will Democrats ever stop lying as their primary tool to win elections? ...

Have you listened to fmr Pres Trump's recent press conference from Mar-A-Lago?

I mean really.

FACT FOCUS: A look at claims made by Trump at news conference
apnews.com

... In his first news conference since Vice President Kamala Harris became the Democratic nominee for president, former President Donald Trump said he would debate her on Sept. 10 and pushed for two more debates. The Republican presidential nominee spoke for more than an hour, discussing a number of issues facing the country and then taking questions from reporters. He made a number of false and misleading claims. Many of them have been made before. ...

So... your comment is just another example of the GOP accusing others of what they do?