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Monday, May 05, 2025

The Constitution's Fifth Amendment says "no person" shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"; it does not say that person must be a U.S. citizen, and the Supreme Court has long recognized that noncitizens have certain basic rights.

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Mari's quote was perfect. The administration is clearly incompetent and corrupt but the real responsibility lies with the republicans in Congress. They have neglected their duty and not upheld their oath. They had the power to stop all of this nonsense. [image or embed]

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Trump is unsure that he has to uphold the Constitution and his Oath but when he's finished thinking about it he won't.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2025-05-04 11:27 AM | Reply

There used to scads of constitutional law experts here at the Drudge.

Where have they all gone???

#2 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-05-04 12:47 PM | Reply

The Republican Party gave up on the constitution on January 20th, 2017.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-05-04 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

...don't you need to uphold the Constitution of the United States as president?" Welker asked. "I don't know," Trump replied.

How are MAGAts not totally embarrassed by this man?

#4 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-05-04 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

How are MAGAts not totally embarrassed by this man?

#4 | Posted by TFDNihilist

They will be.

Trump will go down as one of the most reviled men in American history. Sycophants will deny they ever supported him/

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-05-05 02:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They have already completely ignored the 4th amendment why would they care about the 5th?

#6 | Posted by qcp at 2025-05-05 09:40 AM | Reply

MAGATS won't touch this post. They know they voted for someone who attempted to get overthrow the Constitution. They don't care. They'd rather live under a monarch than in a democracy.

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-05-05 10:08 AM | Reply

Winston Zeddemore: Ray, when someone asks you if [need to uphold the Constitution], you say "YES"!

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-05-05 10:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

MAGA does not support the Constitution, including those who post here. Like SCOTT.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2025-05-05 10:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump believes he IS the Constitution. That his Whims are Law.

In a Simpler and more straightforward time he would Die for this Outrage....

Today we just change the Channel.

Winning?

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-05-05 10:26 AM | Reply

Looky here.

It's a perfect day to realize that the politics you're used to are gone and never coming back. You can think about what you want the future to look like and try to build toward that. When you keep trying to wishcast the country back to 1998 to try to avoid it you become part of the problem. Start thinking about AT, after Trump.

#11 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-05-05 11:37 AM | Reply

Remember the "Know Nothing Party"??

Trumpy now leads the "I don't know Nuttin about Nuttin Party".

Gratz on your FAFO America.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-05-05 11:51 AM | Reply

Can you imagine the amount of heads exploding at faux nooz if Biden had done 1/1000th of the illegal ---- dotardo is doing right now and then having the audacity to answer a question about upholding the Constitution (when it is right inside his oath of office) with "I don't know"?

What an utter joke the GCCCP has become.

They were set to impeach Biden over being repaid for truck loan payments he made for Hunter and this corrupt piece of filth is selling meme coins and deregulating crypto AFTER one of the largest crypto dealers buys billions of his meme coins. www.rollingstone.com

What a ------- joke the GCCCP has become.

Banana republicans.

#13 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-05-05 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

Looks like you are correct.

#14 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-05-05 12:04 PM | Reply

They'd rather live under a monarch than in a democracy.

By the time their dumbasses figured it out it would be way too late.

For the life of me, I can never understand how J6 was not an instant dealbreaker for their love of that orange ---------.

That is the saddest part of the past four years.

#15 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-05-05 12:47 PM | Reply

Republicans want a monarchy as long as they're in control.

#16 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-05 12:57 PM | Reply

@#1 ... Trump is unsure that he has to uphold the Constitution and his Oath ...

Why is he unsure about it?

The President of the United States should not have one bit of doubt about this.

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-05-05 01:16 PM | Reply

MAGATS won't touch this post. They know they voted for someone who attempted to get overthrow the Constitution. They don't care. They'd rather live under a monarch than in a democracy.

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-05-05 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag:
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I will, and unlike most of you dolts I actually watched the interview. What Trump was referring to is the due process rule is very sketchy in regards to illegals. Sure if you come over here legally by going through the legal process ( that btw is the due process that should have happened and Biden ignored it) then you should be offered due process before getting kicked out. And btw Garcia had two hearings here, he was denied asylum both times. And btw way the constitution states that someone who comes here illegally and is apprehended within 2 years and within 100 miles of the border does not deserve due process.
The issue with the whole mess and what Trump was referring to is this is not a cut and dry issue, like everything it will be battled in the courts and eventually be ruled on by the SCOTUS. The writers of the constitution did not imagine that millions of illegals would be allowed to enter this country illegally in such a short period of time and would be enabled by a President who allowed the law to be broken so flagrantly.
So go ahead and scream about Trump saying he doesn't know if the constitution should be followed on this while you had no issues with Biden not following it.

#18 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 01:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

@#18 ... What Trump was referring to is the due process rule is very sketchy in regards to illegals ...

The Supreme Court ruled unanimously (9-0) that is does.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-05-05 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#19 ... The Supreme Court ruled unanimously (9-0) that [it] does. ...

Don't sound "sketchy" to me.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-05-05 01:30 PM | Reply

The writers of the constitution did not imagine that millions of illegals...
#18 | Posted by fishpaw

What are you babbling about? In 1789 there wasn't even the concept of an illegal immigrant. You just got off the boat and that was it.

And I may be wrong, but where in the Constitution is this 2 year, 100 mile rule? Educate me.

#21 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-05-05 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And I may be wrong, but where in the Constitution is this 2 year, 100 mile rule? Educate me.

Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-05-05 01:53 PM | Reply

It doesn't.

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-05-05 01:56 PM | Reply

#19 "to facilitate his return". Does that mean go over to El Salvador and demand that one of their citizens be returned to the US?

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 02:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#22 "Expedited Removal:
This process, created in 1996, allows for the rapid removal of certain non-citizens, particularly those who arrive at a port of entry or enter the country without proper documentation, and have been in the U.S. for less than two years."

#24 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 02:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What are you babbling about? In 1789 there wasn't even the concept of an illegal immigrant. You just got off the boat and that was it.

#21 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-05-05 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Correct, so using the constitution to rule on deportation of millions who came here and for the most part were let it here , which is against the law, is difficult and will be challenged in courts.
If Biden had simply followed the law and not allowed the floods of illegals he allowed here we wouldn't be having this conversation.

#25 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 02:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

In less than 24 hours some administration spokesmodel will come out and declare that 'The president was only joking! Cannot you insane liberals take a joke?' or something to that effect. When caught in a situation where something he says is clearly, wildly wrong, it's always the 'joke defense'. Sadly, Trump is serious when he sends up these trial balloons. It's only when the outrage and the pushback becomes too much is the idea withdrawn.. Americans must keep pushing back...

#26 | Posted by catdog at 2025-05-05 02:18 PM | Reply

#22 Some more info for you to look at. www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

#27 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 02:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

www.youtube.com

Here's Scalia and Ginsburg speaking of the matter.

#28 | Posted by western_slope at 2025-05-05 02:25 PM | Reply

#26. No she won't. The last spokesperson was known for "I can't comment on that". She said it at the few press conferences that they had. How many time did Biden, or should I say his handlers allow him to even talk publicly?

#29 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 02:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#28 That was 11 years ago and we didn't have an immigration emergency like we have now. Plus there is a Ginsburg interview where she said RvWade should be overturned. LOL

#30 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 02:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The constitution became a worthless piece of paper when an insurrectionist was allowed to run for president, which the constitution specifically bans.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-05-05 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

www.youtube.com

Here's Scalia and Ginsburg speaking of the matter.

Posted by western_slope at 2025-05-05 02:25 PM | Reply

Thank You for posting this.

#32 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-05-05 02:42 PM | Reply

Correct...
#25 | Posted by fishpaw

So there's nothing in the Constitution about illegal immigration, but there is something about due process.
Things that make you go "hmmmmm".

#33 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-05-05 02:51 PM | Reply

The last Justice Ginsburg cited the important term about who is protected in the US by the Constitution: "Persons."

#34 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-05-05 02:55 PM | Reply

"If Biden had simply followed the law and not allowed the floods of illegals he allowed here."

If Trump had simply built The Wall and not allowed the floods of illegals he allowed here.

By your reasoning, he failed you even harder than Biden. And you rewarded him for it.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-05 02:55 PM | Reply

we didn't have an immigration emergency like we have now.

BS. Reagan gave amnesty back in 86. This has been an issue for a long time.

#36 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-05 02:58 PM | Reply

I don't feel like sacrificing my 5th amendment rights because you're scared, fishpaw.

#37 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-05 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"we didn't have an immigration emergency like we have now."

What's the emergency?
Immigration is waaaay down.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-05 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If one deprives the Constitutional protections for the Undocumented immigrants. What's to say that they won't come after your Constitutional rights next??

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-05-05 03:09 PM | Reply

Correct...
#25 | Posted by fishpaw
So there's nothing in the Constitution about illegal immigration, but there is something about due process.
Things that make you go "hmmmmm".

#33 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-05-05 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Yup, the constitution was not referring to illegal immigrants when it talked about due process which is why Trump said he might not be able to follow the constitution on illegal immigration. The founders never imagined that a President would break the law by allowing millions of illegal immigrants to illegally flood this country.

#40 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 03:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I don't feel like sacrificing my 5th amendment rights because you're scared, fishpaw.

#37 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-05 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:
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I'm not scared, I'm here legally, what are you scared about?

#41 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 03:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The founders never imagined that a President would break the law by allowing millions of illegal immigrants to illegally flood this country."

That's why the Founders created the Amendment process!
So, why don't Republicans engage that process?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-05 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm here legally,
#41 | Posted by fishpaw

You'll never be able to prove that without Due Process!

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-05 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So, does this mean Mr. Trump committed perjury when he took the oath of office for President?

*sigh* tack on another felony.

#44 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2025-05-05 03:13 PM | Reply

If one deprives the Constitutional protections for the Undocumented immigrants. What's to say that they won't come after your Constitutional rights next??

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-05-05 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Trump was deprived of his due process rights under the constitution in his NY trial but you didn't have a issue with that.

#45 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 03:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm here legally,
#41 | Posted by fishpaw
You'll never be able to prove that without Due Process!

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-05 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

All I do is show my passport. Easy if you do it the right way.

#46 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-05-05 03:16 PM | Reply

Trump was deprived of
#45 | POSTED BY FISHPAWN

Of absolutely nothing.

You stupid ------- ------.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-05-05 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This country bent over backwards to accommodate his every ------- whim.

I ------- hate idiots like you.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-05-05 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Posted by fishpud

This clown's willful ignorance is surprisingly robust.

Guess he's tired of getting upstaged by shrimpdork, snotty-s and waffle-boy...

#49 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-05-05 03:21 PM | Reply

@#45 ... Trump was deprived of his due process rights under the constitution in his NY trial ...

Please be specific, with evidence.

thx.

#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-05-05 03:31 PM | Reply

...the constitution was not referring to illegal immigrants...
#40 | Posted by fishpaw

Exactly, it says "No person..." pretty unambiguous.

All I do is show my passport.
#46 | Posted by fishpaw

And when exactly do you do that? During due process.

#51 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-05-05 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

FISHPAW:

The claim that "Trump was deprived of his due process rights under the constitution in his NY trial" is not fully accurate based on available information.

Due Process and Jury Instructions:
- In the New York trial, Judge Juan M. Merchan instructed the jury that they must reach a unanimous verdict on Trump's guilt regarding the key elements of falsifying business records and intent to conceal a crime. The jury was allowed some flexibility only in deciding which specific unlawful means Trump used, but unanimity was required on the core charges. This means the jury had to agree unanimously that Trump committed the crime, preserving his Sixth Amendment rights to a fair trial and due process[3].
- Some claims circulating on social media suggested the jury did not need to be unanimous, but these have been debunked as misrepresentations of the judge's instructions[3].
- A legal analysis noted that there were concerns about the jury instructions potentially being legally defective, which could implicate Sixth Amendment rights, but the official court documents do not conclude that Trump was deprived of due process outright; rather, motions and appeals are part of the ongoing legal process[2][4].

While there are legal arguments and motions challenging aspects of the trial procedure, the official judge's instructions required a unanimous verdict on the essential elements of the charges, meaning Trump's constitutional right to due process was upheld in that regard. Assertions that he was deprived of due process rights in the New York trial are therefore inaccurate or at least not supported by the court's instructions and rulings as of now[3][4].

Citations:
[1]
www.nbcnews.com
[2] media.aflegal.org
[3] apnews.com
[4] www.nycourts.gov
[5] www.nytimes.com
[6] www.supremecourt.gov
[7] www.aclu.org
[8] thehill.com
[9] www.rollingstone.com
[10] www.npr.org

#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-05-05 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

what are you scared about?

That morons like you will trade my liberty for the illusion of your safety.

#53 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-05 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The founders never imagined that a President would break the law by allowing millions of illegal immigrants to illegally flood this country.

#40 | Posted by fishpaw

The founders never imagined a party as corrupt as one that didn't convict a leader who attempted a coup.

But they did imagine a leader so evil that he would simply ACCUSE people of crimes and punish them without due process, and they gave us safeguards against that.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-05-05 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

...the constitution was not referring to illegal immigrants...

Because The Constitution is referring to people.
Are illegal immigrants people, or are they subhuman?
You're not man enough to say what you really believe.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-05 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

All I do is show my passport. Easy if you do it the right way.
#46 | Posted by fishpaw

Passports can be forged. So no, that won't work for you.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-05 04:23 PM | Reply

All I do is show my passport. Easy if you do it the right way.
#46 | Posted by fishpaw

I find it hard to believe you carry your passport when you are out and about, which is how ICE has been black-bagging people and detaining them without judicial review.

You really walk around with your passport on you?

Great. What about the millions of citizens who don't even have a passport? ---- those people, is your answer. Because you're a fascist.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-05 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"---- those people, is your answer. Because you're a fascist."

Exactly.

#58 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-05-05 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What do Americans get from giving illegals due process? Forget The Constitutional merit because when The Constitution was written niggers were slaves and Indians had zero rights let alone muh due process.

#59 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-05 06:05 PM | Reply

fuck off.

#60 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-05-05 06:07 PM | Reply

^ ...with your truths an sheit.

#61 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-05 06:13 PM | Reply

What do Americans get from giving illegals due process? Forget The Constitutional merit because when The Constitution was written ni--ers were slaves and Indians had zero rights let alone muh due process.
#59 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-05 06:05 PM

Women and children were both.

So glad the Constitution has been amended twenty-seven times since.

#62 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-05-05 06:16 PM | Reply

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