It's a little skewed to focus on the States when there are locales in those states that score much better than the rural communities within that state.

Without looking, I would have guess perfectly the States listed.

but the greater metropolitan areas of Nashville, Knoxville, Dallas, San Antonio, Little Rock, Fayetteville/Springdale/Bentonville, OKC, Tulsa, etc.....are hot destinations.

The other parts of those States are what's dragging them down.....but people see past that and those States are still growing because those cities are growing leaps and bounds.

-So glad I'm not longer living in that festering ----- of America.

My daughter was in St. Louis for 3 years of law school. That place scared me the whole time.

-No one wants to live in 95 degree weather with 95 percent humidity and mosquitos the size of birds.

A lot of people apparently do.

My daughter lives in the Uptown part of Dallas. Very hip, young professional enclave. Very close to the SMU campus, Highland Park, etc. All her friends are from other parts of the South or a recent grad taking on their first real job, like her.

Nothing at all like a trailer park.

Not everyone is moving because they're poor and without options. Those folks usually have to stay put.

And even if they are experiencing "reagonomics" then you're still admitting the opportunities are better in .......the South.

"no intelligent person would choose the south."

okay. I think we're done here. It's obvious you're not even remotely serious and don't expect to taken as such.

You're late for 5th period chemistry, I think.

-reliable poster

What do you mean by reliable?

-And yes, Eberly, by reliable, I mean that I usually agree with Speaks' content and enjoy their perspective.

It's what I figured. Just want to be fair and allow you to clarify.

You agree with him.

And clown points out that agreement is the truth.

If you and speak agree then that represents a fact.

It's everything here.

Not actual facts. Agreement is what you all need.

Anything else is rejected.

-I'd take what happened to people I know in Spruce Pine, NC, any day over what happened to people I know in the Pacific Palisades, and which events are forecast to continue there, along with wildfires, earthquakes, etc.

Pacific Palisades is an example of very risky behavior with regards to wildfire management.

-PS, Eb: I'm not sure what you're getting at that it's a fact that I (mostly) agree with Speaks' policy positions, as much as I can determine them.

I can't determine a policy position from him. It's all "California good....red state bad" and "Democrat good....republican bad) and he just displayed it upthread.

According to him, my daughter is a ------ person who is stuck in the South because she doesn't have the money to live in California.

All points made by you, Doc, and JPW are valid, not because I agree with it (I do and said so prior) but because it's just common sense and it's the world we live in.

A lot of professionals have moved to the South because that's where a lot of the opportunities are.

I've driven through the rural areas of the South....yikes,..no thanks. It's not a secret and none of us hardly need a study like this to educate us on what challenges exist in the South. It's been debated here a million times already anyway.

I don't sweat just by walking outside anymore and my car doesn't cook kids and animals if I leave them there for five minute and I will never shovel snow and chip ice again. And now I live 5 minutes from the beach AND the redwoods.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy

Good for you. When I've visited low humidity places in the summer......man, that really is a sales pitch for the area.

But often times it comes with traffic, congestion, etc. like you mentioned.

My daughter was at Wash U for law school. lived in Central West End.

-Speaks sounds more like Boaz,

always has. Turns every single discussion into the same "my side good....your side bad" dynamic.

Exactly like Boaz.

"a much easier argument to make"

Not when I already concede the democratic party is better on the big issues. While not wrong, it's just pointless to try and convince yourself the dems are better overall. They suck at winning elections when they should be but I don't disagree on the positions.

I'm much more likely to disagree with strategy than policy.

-And Pacific Palisades, if you can get there.

I predict another fire similar to that one in the near future.

There are too many days of the year with high winds and very low humidity that it's likely to happen again soon.

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why would I? I'm not arguing they are better. Why do you keep asking such stupid questions?

Why do you expect me to defend the GOP any more than someone might expect you to?

I used to assign 1 additional IQ point to Clown over speakstupid.

I'm afraid I can't do that anymore.

short bus for both of them.

-Because for some reason you attack the people who point out that dems are way better.

100% lie. I address people on "issues"...I don't attack them unless they attack me first. I don't attack dems as though the gop is better.

JFC that's like 3 or 4 lies in one goddam sentence.

Your presence here is, by itself, a waste of time.

I'll save you the trouble........You're snoofy (dead) to me.

don't follow me around anymore.

clown, I expect an answer.

speakstupid has been muted. not interested in his deflections and juvenile bullshit any longer. I put up with it for too long.

Like snoofy, he'll follow me from thread to thread begging for a response.

no dice.

Over the years, I've seen this red state blue state argument continue on and on.

I never trash blue states, especially California. I never criticize California. It's not like residents of CA are unaware of their challenges. But those challenges are the result of their success. The attraction of the state to so many people, companies that want to operate there, the economic engine that it is.

Just to piss them off, I could rag on California...just for the fun of it.

but I don't.

What shocks me is how unbelievably unhappy the Californians are who post here.

Why so unhappy? Why express so much outrage at what goes on in other states? You don't have to live there. You don't enjoy those problems. We're all living with Trump and the challenges that come with that. I didn't vote for him so what does it matter where I live?

and BTW, you pay the same federal taxes you would no matter where you live. The difference is taxes is based on what your state charges back to you. A state you already believe to be better so you shouldn't be complaining about that. Nor the roads, infrastructure, traffic, cost of living, etc. everything.

If it's better then you should be happy. And if you're happy, then good for you and I'm happy for you. I mean that sincerely.

But you're not. Instead, it's 24/7 total misery and constant attacks and insults hurled at others who don't live there.

Am I the only one here who sees the irony?

Why does a superior Californian spend all day here attacking a hick from Kansas who hasn't done anything to them?

"You're not?
But you're attacking SpeakSoftly for saying one side is better than the other."

No I'm not. I'm attacking that moron for running to that when that's not the issue. He makes it the issue when he has literally nothing else to say.

And he assigns me to being proud republican when I have stated a million times I'm nothing of the sort. I vote in elections that matter, not the ones that don't and I side with the democrats on most issues.

I'm not attacking for any such thing, you lying POS.

It's not possible to prove this over and over.

You're beat. Beat all to hell and you know it which is why you change the subject from this issue, which you always lose when it's me on the other side, and run to the "our side is better" crap which is NOT the issue.

About a thousand times a day, the GOP is attacked for their behavior. I NEVER defend it. I agree with those comments.

Your problem is that I don't express my agreement. I agree in silence because I don't need to pile on.

but you need my agreement. That's what is lacking here.

You require my expressed written agreement every time you whine about the GOP. If I don't do that, then you take it as the opposite.

I'm sorry clown but you're just a fucking dumb as speakstupid and that is intended to be a pretty fucking big insult.

-I'm not too sure why you would do that unless you believe republicans have done something of merit.

THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT DONE SOMETHING OF MERIT. I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN I THINK THEY DO.

You just can't stay with me. That's obvious. So it's this.

If you could literally fling poo at me, you would. That's the equivalent of what you and your retarded brother bring to this site.

Your California anger and resentment.

-One side is objectively better for America.

I agree with you.

Here is the problem. You don't possess the intellectual capacity to remember that tomorrow.

remember what? Here it is again.......I agree with you.

And when I scrutinize anything done by a democrat, it's not an attack on the democratic party as though I changed my mind and that the GOP is actually better for America.

Even YOU admit Democrats aren't going much more....and when you point that out, nobody jumps on you and accuses you of believing the opposite of what's just been agreed upon here.

But I don't have that right. I am not allowed to believe what you believe.

It's not possible. I have to be a secret lover of Trump, the GOP, and I'm a racist, rapist, pedo, etc. all things you accuse me of day after day after day after day after day after day unless I express my 100% agreement with every single utterance of "The GOP sucks". If I fail to acknowledge it....then it means I'm stumping for the GOP, for Trump, for republican bills, policies, expressed sentiments, etc.

All of it.

No context, no nuance, no room for discussion on any point.

So......as it's not possible for me not to harassed and trolled (yes, that's really what you're doing.....as if I'm not able to see that).......I can piss you off without trying.

Maybe I start actually trying. Humiliate me? How is it possible for me to be humuliated?

It's YOUR California branded hatred. Not mine.

Everyone here sees it.

-You must not remember when AFriend chased me from thread to thread for daring question democratic candidates and demanding I pledge loyalty to vote for whoever the democrats choose to put on the ballot.

I remember. It stands out. It was insane and completely uncalled for. Thanks for bringing that up.

What doesn't stand out is having 2 or 3 AFriends chase you from thread to thread every day.

Imagine that for a minute.

You probably can't.

Welcome to my life. You ARE AFriend most days here. You, speakstupid, and donner. All 3 of you California rageaholics

-You're gonna get people questioning you and attacking you.

Because they can't actually debate the issue. Instead, they assign a position I DON'T have so they can look as though they are participating.

I'm not being unfair to any of you. You go down this road every goddam day with the expectations I just take it with no effort on my part to defend myself. It's an old routine.

really fucking old.............

-Go to any rightwing political forum and post anything pro democratic or liberal or progressive.

Is that some sort of justification for you acting like Afriend every fucking day here?

Speakstupid is beyond talking to. He's just too juvenile. He can keep chasing me......but I'm just done.

Your California anger can just keep boiling over as though you're entitled to the anger.

Yes......that's it. You are entitled to the anger. To the attacks. To the rage and hate.

I'm willing to accept that I bring it out in you, but I don't really know how.

"he's not going to respond to you for a while."

Maybe that moron will be like Snoofy and post towards me months and months with zero responses from me.

probably around 500+ posts towards me with zero responses.

I have him plonked but occasionally I'll look and see how much he follows me around.

really really creepy.

And it seems like it's just me he does that to.

nobody else.

really really creepy.