Biden pardoned his entire family.

Kind of hard for dems to complain about Trump now.

Dan,

"AFTER Trump publicly threatened them."

That's actually immaterial.

Biden did it.

Applying justification after the fact doesn't really change that.

Dan,

It's immaterial for what I said.

Biden pardoned his family.

It will be hard to attack Trump for doing something similar.

Are you suggesting maybe Trump played Biden?

He threatened Biden thinking he might do something like he did.

Then Trump waited for the right moment to play his hand?

Dan,

I believe Trump probably would exploit people's weaknesses.

Trump likes to win.

He isn't someone I would want to go up against.

Dan,

"If you think Biden pardoning his family AFTER the PRESIDENT-ELECT had publicly threatened lawfare against them is immaterial, you're a moron."

It's not that lawfare is insignificant.

Trump has been dealing with politically motivated accusations and prosecutions for years. That's lawfare.

What changed is that Democrats largely considered it acceptable when directed at Trump, but now suddenly it's unacceptable when it's aimed at Biden's family.

So Biden responded by pardoning them preemptively.

That makes it difficult to act morally outraged about Trump's DOJ tactics while simultaneously defending Biden's pardons.

My point was simply that once Biden pardoned his family, it severely weakened criticism of Trump on this issue.

Dan,

"The definition of lawfare is prosecuting someone for an action ANYONE ELSE COULD DO WITHOUT FEAR OF LEGAL REPERCUSSIONS."

Using your definition, you're essentially saying Biden and his family were subjected to lawfare, but Trump wasn't?

I don't agree with your definition, and neither do several that I found.
At its core, lawfare is the use of the legal system as a weapon to intimidate, damage, or politically target opponents.

Honestly, I thought you were going to come back from a different angle.

I figured you'd argue it's only lawfare against Biden because "Biden and his family aren't guilty of anything...it's all trumped up while Trump actually is a criminal" or something along those lines.

(I loved how trumped up worked in so well.)

Chan,

"Oh goodie, another thread for BJ to practice his self flagellation."

That's actually funny.

But why self-flagellate when there's a line of eager participants willing to do it for you?

Saves effort on my part, and we both get something out of it.

Zed,

"I interact with you, BILL, because you've helped me a conceive a whole new slant on the nature of evil."

It is quite interesting the way liberal leaning and conservative leaning people are able to look at the world so differently.

Perhaps the difference between me and you is that I see good and bad virtues in both.

You, apparently, can only see anything positive with liberals, while conservatives are automatically cast as villains.

Johnny,

I reread about Biden's pardons and it wasn't as far reaching as I thought.

Johnny,

I agree that Trump's action was amazingly far reaching.

I think I was first to post that on here (didn't start a new thread) because I was flabbergasted.

It is rather shocking how he managed this.

Tfd,

#54
You kinda took what I said out of context, but that's ok.

Not worth the effort discussing it.

What,

Trump essentially got a "Get out of jail free" card.

Well no...he actually got a whole stack of them he can hand out to other people, corporations, and political allies, too.

Amazing.

Tops anything I've ever heard of.

No...I don't like this.

TV Show Facts of Life theme song goes,

You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The facts of life

As far as presidential power, protection, and political shielding go, I honestly can't think of anything in modern American politics that reaches further than this.

John,

"Show me another American citizen who has ever been convicted of 34 felonies and never saw the inside of a jail cell, not even for a single night."

The problem is Trump is also taking on American problems like the border, immigration, trade, crime and government bureaucracy that many voters feel have been ignored and mismanaged for years.

So even people who dislike his personality, rhetoric, methods or even ethics may still support him because they believe he is at least confronting issues other politicians have either downplayed or endlessly talked about doing nothing.

Zed,

"It's a right versus wrong sort of thing, BILL Not a conservatives versus liberals sort of thing."

That's unfortunate for you, if you actually see politics that simplistically.

Once people convince themselves one side represents "good" and the other represents "evil," meaningful discussion usually ends right there.

Zed,

"And I can still remember when you said that he was a good manager."

Apparently he's a GREAT manager considering what he managed to pull off.

A "good manager" refers to someone's ability to coordinate people, systems, strategy, and accomplish objectives.

It doesn't automatically mean everything they accomplish is morally good.

Snoofy,

"Are you one of those people?"

Does it really matter what I think now?

At this point it's a moot question.

He's doing what I wanted to see done and what I believe America needs.

And no...I don't believe Democrats are doing what is best for America at this time.

Zed,

"believing as you do in the Devil"

You are absolutely correct that I believe in the Devil.

I believe the Devil is very real.

Chuffed,

"Everything these clowns have done will be undone."

That is a great opening.

Exactly what do you see getting undone?

Donner,

"humans are but helpless pawns."

Not at all.

People have a free will.

We choose what to do and what to believe (mostly).

Donner,

The assumption is Americans.

Eff,

"he hurts people you hate"

I don't feel hatred towards anyone being deported.

When problems go on long enough, fixing it is no easy task.