" Of course there were cases of improper voting and instances of ineligible people who voted."

I mean, other than the garden-variety version, and you know it. Of course, there will be some mother-in-law or spouse who passed away. Of course, there will be someone who moved and forgot.

The fraud you were talking about is fraud at scale.

Again, look over the heritage database. One thing jumps out: states average about one conviction per year.

Doesn't sound like a huge problem at all. In fact, adding another barrier to voting would suppress more votes than all the convictions in your home state in the last three decades.

I wrote that last line without looking it up, I'm so sure. Then, I looked it up.

Here's the link to your home state in Virginia. They've had THREE CASES in the last 20 years.

"I was saying how I felt that was a disaster in the making."

Because Trump lost.

No claims of improper or stolen votes. No one coming forward with a gripe. No disaster there. Just ... a Trump loss.

And if it was because more minorities got a chance to participate?

TOTAL disaster, amirite?

"I believe were it not for using mail-in ballots, the Capitol break-in would not have occurred. "

You're an idiot; Trump would've chosen a different ruse, and today you'd be bitching about Michigan electors instead.

Truth is, Trump knew he lost, and lied to supporters like you. I know you want to believe him, but if he had any proof, he and his team would've certainly presented it inside of a courtroom.

And at long last, you have no reason for why they haven't.

That means you can't handle the truth.

"Jan 6 proved me right."

I used to think you were dumb. Based on the last two weeks, now I think you're a moron.

You still can't address the fact you have no proof at all of your theory mail-in ballots get purloined by housemates. Almost six years, zero cases.

You've also misrepresented a study, and when faced with the authors warning morons not to come to your conclusion, you doubled down and suggested the authors didn't understand their own study as well as you did.

Now you're suggesting January 6 proved some cockamamie theory of yours, something other than Trump lied to his acolytes, knowing he'd lost.

Dumb just keeps getting dumber.

"Jan 6 proved me right.

When are you going to provide the first piece of evidence inside a court of law? So far, six years later, zero.

All that's been proven, is folks are gullible and Trump is a liar.

"Remember when you railed against the mail-in ballots before Covid?

"A month before the 2020 election"

No, I mean before that.

Never.

Since you're too much of a coward to directly answer, I'll answer for you.

No, you don't believe only Democrats cheat.
No, you don't believe only Republicans cheat.
Despite the facts at the staunch right wing Heritage Foundation's website, you believe Democrats cheat more than Republicans. A lot more than Republicans. 25% more, or 40%, or 50% more.

Okay I'll take you at 50%. That means for every 1000 actions of Republican fraud, Democrats commit 1500 actions. I know that flies in the face of the heritage foundation, but I'm willing to pretend, to show you the math.

Do you know what that math means? When one group commits 50% MORE infractions than the other??

It means for every five instances of fraud, you net one vote. ONE.

950 instances of fraud? Less than 200 net votes.

And in all 950 cases, the threat of a $10,000 fine and a year in jail.

Who is that stupid???

" ... it is apparent you believe democrats have the advantage with mail-in ballots."

It's even more apparent that's the sole reason you dislike them.

Remember when you railed against the mail-in ballots before Covid?

No one else does either.

"I'm not saying I agree that people should be prevented from voting."

You want your own limits on absentee ballots. You're trying to tell other people how they're allowed to vote.

Again, not your business. Not mine either. Every legal voter who wants to cast a legal vote should be able to choose whichever way is most convenient for them.

"Earlier you said as follows, "You're just afraid universal mail-in ballots would allow folks you don't want to vote, to vote."

"Who might those people be? Assuming I am supporting the republican side, that makes the other side democrat."

Yes. I guess so.

And they also happen to be ... surprise, surprise ... in large part, minorities.

You know the funny thing? Republicans absolutely loved mail-in ballots, when they always favored Republicans. It was only once they began favoring Democrats the mail suddenly became dangerous.

"I am referring to very specific methods of cheating available with mail-in ballots that are mailed to homes"

If there were 10,000 cases of a household member stealing a mail-in ballot, what's the absolute minimum number of people who'd come forward to squawk after a close election?

"If the methods of cheating with mail-in ballots are being used by anyone, it doesn't appear republicans are doing it very well."

Based on what sources?

Because the staunch right-wing Heritage Foundation's Vote Fraud website tells a completely different story: Republicans seem to excel!

But I'm willing to pretend otherwise; just give me the percentage you believe Democrats do it more than Republicans.

"Did you not say mail-in ballots benefit democrats more than republicans?"

No, I said that both sides have equal opportunities, and ask you to give me a percentage you thought one side did it more than the other.

Why can't you answer simple questions?

"I am not talking about anything else. Only methods of cheating available with mail-in ballots."

OK.

Just regarding the cheating and mailing ballots ... Answer my direct questions.

"Your accusations of who cheats the most historically should be taken with caution considering your propensity for out and out lying."

Go --- yourself, dum---. I've studied the Heritage foundation website. You purposefully remain ignorant on the subject for fear your lies will be exposed.

And now, you're too much of a coward to directly answer my direct questions. GFY.

"Mail-in ballots provide an easier way for democrats to cheat."

No more or less than Republicans.

"Mail-in ballots provide an easier way for democrats to cheat"

Historically, Republicans cheat much more than Democrats. Check out the heritage foundation vote fraud site for proof.

Let me ask some serious questions. Do you believe only Democrats cheat? Do you believe Republicans cheat at all? Do you believe they both cheat the same rate? Do you believe one or the other cheats at a 10% greater rate than the other? 20% greater rate than the other? 25%? 40%? 50%? You tell me. I'll go with whatever number you choose.

And then I'll show you where your math is screwed up.

Are you brave enough to actually answer my questions?

" Did the people who voted in 2020 with ballots mailed to them successfully vote in previous elections? I would bet they did."

I would, too. Is there a point?

Are those the only ones who were supposed to be allowed this time around?

" At a certain, that sort of thinking is simply paranoia"

Or an observation, that you always seem to want to narrow those folks' opportunities.

You're just afraid universal mail-in ballots would allow folks you don't want to vote, to vote.

Just admit it, and be done with it.

" There are many other factors that must be taken into consideration equally if not more important than trying to accommodate every single person."

They are already being tended to.

Back to the central question: should everyone get to choose their favorite way to participate in the voting process?

Or should you get to decide everyone else's allowed way to vote?

" Assuming they were eligible voters and wanted to vote, were they being suppressed in any way simply because a ballot wasn't mailed to their house?"

If they'd prefer to vote that way, yes.

If they've requested it and it's been denied, yes.

If you get to tell them they don't get to vote that way ... Yes.

Any more questions about vote suppression?

" There are many other factors that must be taken into consideration equally if not more important than trying to accommodate every single person."

Like their skin color, country of origin, or religion, right?

" now people are saying they are being suppressed if ballots aren't mailed to everyone's houses."

No, Bill ... They're just saying folks are being suppressed if they want a mail in ballot, and people like you tell them they can't have one, because you can only have it for certain reasons that you have decided, and their particular reason doesn't count.

And yes, your demands are that petty.

In your world, not wanting to wait four hours in line to cast a vote isn't enough of a reason.

And, truth be told, folks like you make other folks stand in line for four hours FOR a reason.