Trump is awful. Harris has not been good but she's been better than Trump. He's allowing himself to be baited by the moderators.

JPW - has the best comment of the thread with #48.

What is terra?

She's lying almost as much as he is.

I will say that Trump is debating both Harris and the moderators.

The moderators playing on Harris's team is a joke.

""transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison"

thats the trump line of the night.

#88 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-09-10 10:10 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

So far. The debate still is still ongoing...

"If that's "playing on Harris's team," then I think you need to reassess how objective you are or can even try to be.

#106 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-09-10 10:24 PM | FLAG: "

If they fact-checked her too, I wouldn't be pointing this out. But they haven't. And probably won't.

JPW,

You will probably find this funny:

"The $25,000 for housing is a terrible idea.

#112 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-09-10 10:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Agreed.

This is pathetic. She has not been good at all on the debate stage. And he's been worse. Ugh.

"I have concepts of a plan, I'm not President right now"

I actually laughed at that one. It was that bad.

Here is the thing, she absolutely did call for an assault weapon confiscation 4 years ago.

"I tried to watch but now I can't get my cats and dogs out from under the bed.

#131 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-09-10 10:41 PM | FLAG: "

Kamala's illegals are coming to eat them!

"#133 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE"

Here she is in her own words:

"The split screen has been great for her, the expressions of disgust while looking at him have been effective, while he just stairs straight ahead and making ugly faces.

#137 | POSTED BY _GUNSLINGER_ AT 2024-09-10 10:44 PM | FLAG: "

She's an attractive woman and he's old. That's an advantage that was baked into the debate.

Here is the real pathetic thing about this debate - the VP candidates, the underlings, are both better at this than their bosses.

"#162 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2024-09-10 11:03 PM | FLAG: "

I said that she advocated for a mandatory "buyback" of assault weapons, which is actual confiscation. Johnny Hotsauce called that a lie and produced a Newsweek link running interference for her. I brought the critical receipt of her, in her own words, saying exactly what I said she said.

Trump was terrible. Harris was not good. The debate moderators were absolutely awful - so tilted and biased in favor of Harris that it was flat-out-ridiculous. I can't get those 90 minutes of my life back.

"The moderators allowed Trump to interrupt way more than Harris." - First off, no they didn't. Trump's mic was muted while she was speaking. So, let's dispense with this lie right now.

They "fact-checked" Trump a number of times, and on the issue of a baby surviving an abortion were flat-out wrong, and never once fact-checked Harris. WIth rare exceptions their questions were along the lines of, "President Trump, you have been accused of being a horrible human being about X and Y, how do you defend that?" After Trump takes the bait, their follow-up to Harris was usually along the lines of, "Former president Trump was accused of being a horrible person about X and Y, now that he's responded do you think he's still a horrible person on those issues?"

Harris was never fact-checked once, and she told some whoppers. Debate moderators have NO business fact-checking live but if they are going to do it they need to do it to both candidates. They didn't. In the CNN debate the moderators kind of faded into the background and the debate was between the 2 candidates. In this one they inserted themselves into the debate on behalf of Kamala Harris. They actually did Harris a disservice. She won the debate and it's going to come with an asterisk and I think, based upon what I saw, she would have won the debate without their help.

#196 I'm guessing by tomorrow a media outlet will have timed how much Trump spoke vs how much Harris spoke broken down into minutes and seconds, e.g. 'Trump spoke for 45 minutes and 4 seconds and Harris spoke for 44 minutes and 48 seconds' If a disparity exists that is clearly in Trump's favor I will cede that the moderators did a poor job of failing to cut him off and mute his mic when his time was up.

5 extra minutes is significant.

What I'm looking forward to is a count of the number of times the moderators "fact-checked" Trump vs Harris. I'm also looking forward to an analysis of the framing of the questions for both candidates. I was shocked when the moderators pointed out a couple of major Harris flip-flops (they failed to mention quite a number of other ones, but I digress) and asked her to explain her change of view. I was shocked because it seemed like the only time during the debate they asked Harris a challenging question.

#220 I've already acknowledged he lost this debate.

And, I pointed out that she probably would have won it without the moderators being so ridiculously in the tank for her, which did the opposite of what was intended.

"Having been shot down on the "number of talking minutes" dodge.

#222 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-09-11 12:27 AM"

2 separate issues, ankle-biter. And the moment I saw the numbers I acknowledged the disparity. If the other issues I alluded to show a disparity clearly favoring Harris will you acknowledge it? I am not holding my breath.

What I believe will be illuminating is a super-cut of all of the times the 2 moderators spoke.

CNN rightly gets the criticisms it deserves for pure partisan hackery. It's amazing that they totally outclassed ABC in their moderation of the first debate compared to tonight's debate.

"Wahh it's not fair when moderators correct flagrant lies!

#228 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

It's not their role. They are ill-equipped to do so on the fly. Example: When David Muir cited Trump's comment that he lost 2020 by a whisker and Trump responded that he was being sarcastic Muir followed, not with a 'fact-check', but an opinion.

"I didn't detect any sarcasm."

That is absolutely ridiculous. Further, Trump was (shockingly!) poor at articulating, but when he commented about "murdering babies outside of the womb" he was referencing comments made by former governor Northam who flat-out said that after a botched abortion if the baby came out alive the doctors and parents should be allowed to go into keep the baby comfortable (like with a dying elderly person) until it expires without providing any kind of life-affirming care. Northam flat-out said that and Trump's recitation of that got 'fact-checked.' Meanwhile, ZERO fact-checks of Harris's lies, and she had plenty of them. It's not the job of the moderators to fact-check - it's the job of the debate opponents to do so. But if the moderators decide to fact-check it absolutely needs to be done across the board. Didn't happen.

"Sounds like debates are just like the elections. If Lewzer wins, they were fair. If he loses, they were rigged.

#227 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-09-11 12:46 AM | FLAG: "

She was better. She didn't need the moderators help to win. Yet, they placed their thumbs on the scale big-time and in the process detracted from a debate she would have won without their "help".

You people are, at times, serially dishonest. If you are going to so grossly distort what I'm saying....what the eff is even the point of trying to talk to most of you at all?

Here is a hint - I am NOT going to defend a position that any of you have assigned to me that I haven't taken.

"That does seem to be the general consensus.

#238 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-09-11 01:20 AM | FLAG: "

Agreed. Which is why ABC did her a total disservice by tilting the questions and 'fact-checks' so much to benefit her.

Harris gets rightly derided for being terrible off-script. She wasn't "good" tonight by any real stretch, but she was prepared and did enough to prove she can handle speaking off-the-cuff for about 40 minutes without being a train-wreck. She had assistance from the moderators but even without that she memorized plenty of decent talking-points to plow through this debate.

"A few examples?

#240 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

The first ones that immediately leap to mind occurred during the same answer - "Good people on both sides" and "bloodbath". Clear lies about what was actually said and both thoroughly debunked. If the moderators hadn't already been 'fact-checking' Trump I would have been totally fine with them letting her slide on those. She had plenty of others, but those are the ones that jumped out because they occurred in rapid-fire and were so blatant.

Tony Roma,

Stop spinning.

I know the full context of what Trump actually said and how she framed it during the debate. And as I've already said, my issue isn't with her being dishonest. It's with the moderators for selectively 'fact-checking' Trump, and on a couple of occasions doing so dishonestly, and letting her slide for those I mentioned (and others).

I expect politicians to lie and distort, especially regarding their opponents positions during a campaign. I knew Harris would bust out those lies and always felt it was on Trump to rebut them. He kinda sorta did, but wasn't overly coherent in the process.

My criticism is solely on the moderators - might as well just have Nancy Pelosi moderate relative to how the ABC moderators performed.

"No doubt they hid the catsup.

#250 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2024-09-11 02:00 AM | FLAG: "

And the well-done ribeye.

That was well played. FF for you.

"Reporting that the Harris campaign has already asked to have another debate with what's left of her opponent.

#259 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-09-11 02:40 AM | REPLY |"

Good. I think another debate is a good thing.

I ALSO think that given Trump agreed to 100% of the Democrats' terms for the first two debates that his team should dictate at least a majority of the terms of another debate.

"Trump agreed to 100% of the Democrats' terms for the first two debates
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That smells like it is not true.

#263 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-09-11 02:54 AM | FLAG: "

Are you serious with this ----? You are either ignorant as hell, are trolling or are being completely passive-aggressive in a way that would embarrass a Valley Girl 19-year old insecure sorority chick.

Or you are simply passively lying through your Canuck teeth.

#268 The rules of this debate were 100% set back when Biden taunted, "Make my day." I get that once Biden was forced out that an argument could be made that new negotiations for the debate weren't unreasonable, but when Trump lined up a debate at Fox, with Baier and McCallum moderating, and was roundly rejected by Harris, that she then forfeited changes to the already scheduled ABC debate.... the brazenness is both impressive and repulsive.

"It would be nice to stop blowing up the page formatting with gigantic photo files.

#269 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-09-11 03:14 AM | FLAG: "

100%

" "transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison"

thats the trump line of the night.

#88 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-09-10 10:10 PM | FLAG: "

Here is the crazy thing. That is an accurate statement. On a questionnaire she filled out for the ACLU four years after ago that is something she advocated for.

Look at Corky trying to lecture me as to what I think should be important.

" WTF are you talking about? JFC you're so toast

#318 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2024-09-11 05:47 PM | FLAG: "

I explained that she did in fact take that position and provided a link for proof. Kindly re-read #311.

Biden/Harris have ass-reamed this country since coming into office.

As another poster would say

Swallow it