"Do you wait until people die before you administer vaccines?"

Of course not. But we don't develop vaccines against Unicorn invasions, either.

Every "solution" you propose suppresses more legal votes than thwarts illegal ones.

Not surprisingly, the plurality of the fraud committed WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED AT ALL by stricter Voter ID.

" Systemic fraud is allowing ballots without dates to be counted"

Now you've moved the goalposts to the few ballots mailed ON TIME, but not delivered for 2-3 days.

It used to be a postmark by the post office was proof. But some president (guess who?) Got the post office to stop putting dates when they receive the vote.

And courts have held that a certain amount of days (three, usually) to accept ballots is okay.

" Why? Do you wait until banks are robbed to lock the vaults?"

Of course not.

But under the guise of "protecting " the vote, you'd disenfranchise 100x the votes you'd thwart.

There's not a single person who's given a one single good reason why 1000 voters should be suppressed so two illegal votes don't get cast.

" I'm also talking about the possibility of systemic fraud at the state level"

IOW, Counters. One of the " three Cs" responsible for the plurality of vote fraud.

Yet ANOTHER aspect which wouldn't be affected by enhanced voter ID.

" Traditional absentee voting is necessary for people who need it."

Need it? Based on whose determination, yours?

Fact is, every legal voter should be allowed to choose how they cast their legal vote. Including ones who simply want the guarantee BEFORE ELECTION DAY their vote has been received and counted.

The real problem is the rates haven't matched the increases.

When I was a kid, the highest paid American made a few million dollars. Johnny Carson's top pay was $5 million a year. The amount over the cap rate was maybe 10-15 times the starting point for that highest level.

Now, someone could make 1000 times the cap to get IN to the bracket, without their rate going up.

Someone making $500MM a year pays the same marginal rate as someone making $500K.

" you deserve to be taxed that much."

Let's keep in mind, the person paying the largest percentage of in federal taxes isn't the millionaire or the billionaire. It's the W-2 worker making $184,500.

Eb and his bride's joint income would only have to be ~$340,000 to face a $60K bill for federal income taxes.

BillJ,
The situation you describe in #45 assumes voters get their mailed ballots stolen regularly.

If that actually happened, you'd have thousands of folks coming out of the woodwork complaining of victimhood, especially since votes can be tracked and confirmed by the voters. Those who got cheated would be screaming it from the rooftops.

Instead, you have NONE.

Anyone with a room temperature IQ would realize that is statistically impossible.

" In my view, that should improve the integrity of the election results"

Your state has TWO voter fraud convictions in the last 19 years, plus 8 cases of (easily caught) felons voting.

That's an average of one conviction every two years. How much more integrity do you want???

Any attempts to "improve the integrity" will certainly suppress more legal votes than thwart illegal ones.

I'd ask why you're willing to suppress 1000x the legal votes you'd protect, but I think we all know by now.

" That's the analogy I'm making."

Your analogy is meaningless. Mail-in ballots are handled the exact same way as absentee ballots.

The ONLY difference is some states have conditions for voting absentee.

THAT'S IT.

And, as we've seen from another current thread, lies about cheating are the main driver for voter fraud. The most common reason given by someone convicted of voter fraud is I was convinced the other side was doing it.

It's the fault of liars without proof.

" An admission they're cheating and will absolutely steal the election."

The most common reason for voter fraud, when a reason is given, is I was convinced the other side was doing it.

IOW, the blame lands squarely on the back of folks who lie about the efficacy of ballots.