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In a message obtained by Congress, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein wrote that Donald J. Trump spent hours at his house with one of Mr. Epstein's victims.

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Jeffrey Epstein, two days after Michael Cohen pleaded guilty in 2018: "you see, i know how dirty donald is. my guess is that non lawyers ny biz people have no idea. what it means to have your fixer flip"[image or embed]

" Molly Crane-Newman (@mollycranenewman.bsky.social) Nov 12, 2025 at 12:07 PM

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"Release the Amelia Earhart files! Argh! Jimmy Hoffa stuff! Blargh! Anything juicy from CIA about UFOs or Bigfoot? Gargh!"

#1 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-12 09:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

"I want you to realize that dog that hasn't barked is Trump. spent hours at my house with him." - Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell
"He (Trump) knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop". _ Epstein to Michael Wolff

Epstein's own emails show Trump is lying. RELEASE THE FILES. Expose the cabal of sex traffickers who fill the American halls of power.

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-11-12 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2,

The House will vote on it, maybe today, but it'll never get through the Senate. As long as Trump has a stranglehold on the GOP we'll never see those files.

#3 | Posted by qcp at 2025-11-12 09:57 AM | Reply

"If we were to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be?" Epstein replied.

"I think you should let him hang himself," Wolff replied the next day.

"If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or, if it really looks like he could win, you could save him, generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that, when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime."

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/house-democrats-release-new-epstein-emails-referencing-trump/ story?id=127435983">abcnews.go.com

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/house-democrats-release-new-epstein-emails-referencing-trump/
story?id=127435983">abcnews.go.com

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 10:46 AM | Reply

Of course trump knew. He was stupid and arrogant enough to run on releasing Epstein material because he has been untouchable his entire life.

He just got touched.

#6 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-11-12 10:46 AM | Reply

No we wonder Epstein was murdered in his cell.

Anyone know where Rudy was that night?

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 10:52 AM | Reply

"This is the last straw! I'm done with Trump and will never respond to this again!"

- signed Bill'sJohnson.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 11:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

#2,
The House will vote on it, maybe today, but it'll never get through the Senate. As long as Trump has a stranglehold on the GOP we'll never see those files.

#3 | Posted by qcp

People don't understand the basic operations of our government

Sure this gets a vote in the house

It may even get a vote in the senate

It may even pass both houses

Then where does it go?

To the president's desk

Anyone think he will sign a bill requiring the release of the Epstein files?

Ok, well there is the veto override

2/3 of each house going to vote to release them?
||
LOL

what a waste of breath

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-12 11:02 AM | Reply

Epstein Files are About to Spill Into Open: Michael Wolff | Inside Trump's Head - The Daily Beast

www.youtube.com

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 11:24 AM | Reply

Read the emails:

www.usatoday.com

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 11:32 AM | Reply

Ok, this makes Trump look bad..

My question is, according to some things I have seen, the victim that was redacted was the one who killed herself. She is on record as saying Trump did nothing to her.

Is there anything there? And why are we going to just automatically take Epstein's word for anything. He was conspiring with Wolf to blackmail Trump.

It really shows what type of man Epstein was and makes you wonder why anyone would even deal with him in the first place.

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 11:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

- why anyone would even deal with him in the first place.

That's Trump's Best Friend and Wingman you are talking about... do you need to again see the Birthday Card Trump sent him about their "Wonderful Secret"?

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

My question is, according to some things I have seen, the victim that was redacted was the one who killed herself. She is on record as saying Trump did nothing to her.

Epstein has over 1,000 victims

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-12 11:58 AM | Reply

do you need to again see the Birthday Card Trump sent him about their "Wonderful Secret"?

Nah, I dont believe that. Trump got rid of him for some reason.

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 12:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Epstein has over 1,000 victims

So?

The one redacted is what I'm talking about.

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 12:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@stevehofsetter

MAGA would be so upset if an email came out that proved Trump helped Epstein cover up the systematic rape of children.

Oh, that happened this morning and they don't care? Weird.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 12:27 PM | Reply

It really shows what type of man Epstein was and makes you wonder why anyone would even deal with him in the first place.
#12 | Posted by boaz

Trump's birthday card to Epstein tells you why Trump was friends with Epstein.
If you can't figure it out, it's because you're dumber than a box of rocks.
So I'll tell you. They both liked to ---- teenage girls.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-12 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Trump normalized pedophilia.

Republicans couldn't care less how many underaged girls Trump defiled and desecrated.

Most republicans would hand over their 13 year old daughter to Trump as tribute.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 12:29 PM | Reply

Most republicans would hand over their 13 year old daughter to Trump as tribute.
#19 | Posted by ClownShack

While saying "Hey, it's not ideal, but my daughter will gain valuable executive experience, and at least Trump isn't gay!"

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-12 12:30 PM | Reply

-Most republicans would hand over their 13 year old daughter to Trump as tribute.

Are you participating in some sort of drama contest? If so, then fine....continue.....but there is no way you're serious.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 12:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

proved Trump helped Epstein cover up the systematic rape of children.

What? Where the ---- are you getting THAT? You people really are going off the deep end..

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 12:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Someone I don't know, never heard of, wouldn't recognize in a lineup came up to me on bended knee, cheeseburglar in hand, and roared, "Sirrrrrrrrrrrr! Mr. Trump spent time with that underage female type human person, but only to teach her how to play the piano. Specifically, Nearer My God To Thee.' Thank you and retrospectively submitted,
~ John Barrrron

#23 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-12 12:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

If so, then fine....continue.....but there is no way you're serious.
#21 | Posted by eberly

MAGA women wearing "Trump can grab my p---y" shirts weren't being serious?
www.redbubble.com

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-12 12:45 PM | Reply

Per the article:

April 2011
EPSTEIN TO MAXWELL: "I want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is Trump." He added that an unnamed victim "spent hours at my house with him ... he has never once been mentioned."
MAXWELL TO EPSTEIN: "I have been thinking about that."

#25 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-12 12:47 PM | Reply

Only a maggot fool can continue to deny to themselves that Trump is a pedophile. How much more obvious can it get? One of the saddest phenomena I have ever witnessed.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 12:48 PM | Reply

Perhaps Boaz doesn't agree that having sex with underage girls is the same thing as pedophilia.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-12 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now we have a better idea who may have been the mysterious person behind the very unusual circumstances of Epstein's so called suicide and it wasn't Hillary.

#28 | Posted by path at 2025-11-12 12:52 PM | Reply

You guys know you are inferring he had sex. Nothing in any of that specifically said Trump was banging kids.

Until the person who was actually in the room with Trump comes in and says "Yes, he ------ me", it's only hearsay and Epstein's and Maxwell's word.

#29 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 01:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"She is on record as saying Trump did nothing to her."

And so then she killed herself?

It's gonna make a great episode of Murder She Wrote.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-12 01:08 PM | Reply

You guys know you are inferring he had sex. Nothing in any of that specifically said Trump was banging kids.

Ok. You tell us.

What else could she possibly be doing for hours with someone (who was hired specifically to be a masseuse). In Epstein's home?

This should be good for a few good laughs.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-12 01:14 PM | Reply

All the files need to be released. Not a few, but all. Again, the reactions cause a lot of problems with any release.

Where's the physical evidence? As much as emails are there, it's not enough.

Been on a jury. To convict, there has to be more.

Who cares which party. Considering the royalty overseas already sees the potential fallout, this isn't isolated to a few.

Where is all the evidence of the DC Madam? JFK and RFK.

Damn, who is being protected after 70 years?

With leaks like this,hopefully more will spill on all the rest, and finally it all comes out.

Doubt it... emails is crumbs.

#32 | Posted by Petrous at 2025-11-12 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the context here?

What's the link to NYTimes?

All the files need to be released

You'll never know, if all are released or not.

What else could she possibly be doing for hours with someone (who was hired specifically to be a masseuse). In Epstein's home?
- donorbot

Who is she? Maxwell?

#33 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-12 01:22 PM | Reply

Who is she? Maxwell?

#33 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

"She" is Virginia Giuffre.

Do try and keep up commie spy.

West Australia police said they were called to a home in the Neergabby area on Friday night, where Ms Giuffre was found unresponsive.

A statement continued: "The death is being investigated by Major Crime detectives; early indication is the death is not suspicious."

More Than Two Dozen People Linked to Jeffrey Epstein Have Died Under Mysterious Circumstances

Nope. Not suspicious at all! Just "mysterious".

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-12 01:28 PM | Reply

Link for 34

www.bbc.com

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-12 01:29 PM | Reply

Only a maggot fool can continue to deny to themselves that Trump is a pedophile. How much more obvious can it get? One of the saddest phenomena I have ever witnessed.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Sure, based on these emails? And only a cross dressing fool like you would believe that Trump's opponents, who had the files for 4 years wouldn't have leaked some proof instead of trying to keep him off the ballots, trying to bankrupt him, trying to jail him and then trying to kill him.
And btw you thought it was cute when Biden sucked baby toes, sniffed little girls hair and then took "inappropriate" showers with his daughter, according to her.

#36 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-12 01:31 PM | Reply

You guys know you are inferring he had sex. Nothing in any of that specifically said Trump was banging kids.

Until the person who was actually in the room with Trump comes in and says "Yes, he ------ me", it's only hearsay and Epstein's and Maxwell's word.

#29 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2025-11-12 01:04 PM


Personally, I think Trump spent hours with that girl either helping with her quantum physics homework or advising how to improve her lipping technique on the Peruvian ocarina.

#37 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-12 01:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

From the emails:

"Trump said he asked me to resign, never a member ever," Epstein wrote in a 2019 email to Michael Wolff, an apparent plea from the president for Epstein to leave Trump's Mar-a-Lago club. "[O]f course he knew about the girls as he asked ghislaine to stop."
www.politico.com

#38 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-12 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What else could she possibly be doing for hours with someone (who was hired specifically to be a masseuse).

Objection: Speculation

Which is why we need the person in the room to come forward and say what was going on. Otherwise, there is no proof. Only a liberal like you who is wanting Trump to go down.

#39 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 01:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"[O]f course he knew about the girls as he asked ghislaine to stop."

Stop what?

No context here.

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 01:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

You guys know you are inferring he had sex. Nothing in any of that specifically said Trump was banging kids.
Until the person who was actually in the room with Trump comes in and says "Yes, he ------ me", it's only hearsay and Epstein's and Maxwell's word.
#29 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2025-11-12 01:04 PM

Would it matter to you if they did come in and say it? I recall a time when you said you'd no longer support Trump if he put our security at risk and messed with the Joint Chiefs. He's definitely done that and you still defend him. You still support him after a jury that he helped select found he sexually assaulted E Jean Carroll.
I suspect you'd still support him if he held an event where he walks into an 8th grade classroom while covered in McDonald's special sauce and instructs the students to start licking.
Your tolerance for his depravity knows no limit.

#41 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-11-12 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


www.newsweek.com

... Democrats on the House Oversight Committee have released a second tranche of emails on Wednesday, including communications between Jeffrey Epstein, Steve Bannon and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers. ...

#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-12 01:55 PM | Reply

Stop what?
No context here.

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 01:51 PM | Reply

Sure, if you ignore the established facts that Epstein was running an international pedophile ring and Maxwell was pimping for him.

Other than that, it's a complete question mark.

#43 | Posted by anton at 2025-11-12 01:56 PM | Reply

"[O]f course he knew about the girls as he asked ghislaine to stop."
Stop what?
No context here.
#40 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Probably refers to her eating too many stone crab claws at the buffet. That or her endless pro-windmill tirades poolside.

#44 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-12 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump 'himself' calling Boebert and Mace to meet over 'concerns around the Epstein saga'

www.alternet.org

The------------------- is desperate.

#45 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Of all the many people who have claimed that they know Trump to be a pedophile, how is it that the only person the maggots choose to believe is the pedophile himself, who has the strongest incentive of anyone to lie? It is undisputed Trump has been to Epstein's Pedophile Island on numerous occasions. It is undisputed that Trump and Epstein were best friend for many years. It is undisputed Trump has no qualms about extra-marital sex. It is undisputed he sent a ------------------ birthday card to Epstein. It is undisputed that Trump has bribed many women to keep quiet about his sexual behavior, and used his enforcers to either threaten or bury other sexual escapades. It is undisputed that Epstein died under the most suspicious circumstances imaginable while in jail, and mysteriously the jail footage of the time period when the "suicide" occurred has gone missing ... . And was just weeks after another so-called "suicide" attempt that occurred again under similar circumstances. To say nothing of all those photos of Trump and Epstein partying it up together."@@ AND we have Epstein's emails themselves which make Trump's pedohilia obvious to honest observer.

In the criminal system, it is known as the totality of the circumstances analysis. Short of a confession by the perpetrator, it is the most commons means to conviction at a jury trial.

#46 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And Boaz, you are nothing more than a pathetic partisan maggot. Your lies mean less than nothing.

#47 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 02:00 PM | Reply

Sure, based on these emails? And only a cross dressing fool like you would believe that Trump's opponents, who had the files for 4 years wouldn't have leaked some proof instead of trying to keep him off the ballots, trying to bankrupt him, trying to jail him and then trying to kill him.
And btw you thought it was cute when Biden sucked baby toes, sniffed little girls hair and then took "inappropriate" showers with his daughter, according to her.

#36 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-12 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's the perennial favorite, "If Trump had done anything wrong then the radical leftists in the Deep State would have already leaked it" defense.
Yes, of course. "They" were all out to get him, but the best "they" could do was nip off a little piece of his ear cartilage.
And, then we get the whataboutism, of course.

Do you ever get tired of kissing that big, flabby orange butt?

#48 | Posted by anton at 2025-11-12 02:02 PM | Reply

Objection: Speculation
#39 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You've either been watching those Night Court late night reruns again or raising the bar by taking in a couple of Perry Mason episodes. (Hint if you're going down that road: Hamilton Burger never gets it right. Ever.)

#49 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-12 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

messed with the Joint Chiefs

"Messed"? WTF are you talking about. Every Chief has the right to put his military heads in place. I've told you that.

he helped select found he sexually assaulted E Jean Carroll.

Not a criminal trial. If he sexually assaulted her, he would have gotten a trial.

Your tolerance for his depravity knows no limit.

I've seen no smoking gun, only inuendo's from liberals.

But I am interested.

#50 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 02:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#47 | Posted by moder8

Go ---- yourself, Moder8

Dont you have a black Democrat to plead out to jail today?

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 02:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

And you Moder8, Are the LAST person any of us would take law advice from....LOL

#52 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 02:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

And since yall are beating on Trump so much..

Can any of you replace the word CLINTON with Trump?

What do yall think of that?

#53 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 02:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Have them ask my houseman about the------------------- almost walking through the door leaving his nose print on the glass as young women were swimming in the pool and he was so focused he walked straight into the door."

~ Jeffrey Epstein ~

politicalwire.com

#54 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 02:10 PM | Reply

based on these emails?

What's funny is Republicans, like FishPawn, won't believe actual, factual emails.

But that smoking gun email about Hunter Biden that nobody could find or prove existed, Republicans, like FishPawn, couldn't shut up about it for four years.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What do yall think of that?
#53 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I think you're in full pedophile protection mode.

#56 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Oh no ... not the dreaded Bill Clinton deflection! LOL

#57 | Posted by anton at 2025-11-12 02:16 PM | Reply

Posted by boaz

This idiot is fuggin' hilarious.

Wake up, you fuggin' moron.

#58 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-12 02:19 PM | Reply

Wretched are the excuse-makers, for they shall inherit the worst.

#59 | Posted by cbob at 2025-11-12 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I've seen no smoking gun,

Why is Maxwell in prison?

Why was Prince Andrew stripped of his title?

Why has Trump blocked the files release?

#60 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-12 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump Ramps Up Pressure on G.O.P. To Thwart Epstein Vote

www.nytimes.com

This proves pedo 47's innocence.

~ boazo ~

#61 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 02:29 PM | Reply

"[O]f course he knew about the girls as he asked ghislaine to stop."
Stop what?
No context here.

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Trump told her to stop, Clinton told her more, more, more, but Trump is the problem.

#62 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-12 02:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Trump rapes 13 year olds who resemble Ivanka.

#63 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 02:33 PM | Reply

Why was Prince Andrew stripped of his title?

#60 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-12 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

King Charles is too woke!

#64 | Posted by anton at 2025-11-12 02:33 PM | Reply

Evade regularly blocks the posts of global warming deniers as being obviously false and also harmful in their own right. What will it take to get Rcade to block the posts of Trump Pedophilia deniers for the exact same reasons?

#65 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 02:34 PM | Reply

Trump told her to stop, Clinton told her more, more, more, but Trump is the problem.

#62 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-12 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

You do realize there can be more than one "problem", correct?

#66 | Posted by anton at 2025-11-12 02:35 PM | Reply

based on these emails?
What's funny is Republicans, like FishPawn, won't believe actual, factual emails.
But that smoking gun email about Hunter Biden that nobody could find or prove existed, Republicans, like FishPawn, couldn't shut up about it for four years.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Actual, factual emails related to Hunter? Why would I believe them? You told us they were all written by Russians. You ---- stooge.
And are you talking about the email where Hunter was bitching about having to pays Joe $50k a month in rent? "Nothing to see here."

#67 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-12 02:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#67 | Posted by fishpaw

Yer an idiot, fish-boy.

And, a stupid one, at that....

#68 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-12 02:42 PM | Reply

Trumpstein's greatest hits.

cdn.factcheck.org

#69 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So let me get this straight.

The victim mentioned in the email we all worked up about, but is redacted, is Virginia Giuffre, who already testified in a 2016 deposition that Trump "never participated in anything" and that she never witnessed him being inappropriate.

Also other emails confirms what was already known, that Trump told Ghislaine Maxwell to stop trying to recruit Mar-a-Lago employees and kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of the club for trying to seduce a member of the Mara-Largo staff.

Thats it? Thats what all this is about?

LOL A bowl of nothing.

#70 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-12 02:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Clinton told her more, more, more..."

Was there a 'rebel yell' involved?

#71 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-12 02:45 PM | Reply


"[O]f course he knew about the girls as he asked ghislaine to stop."
Stop what?
No context here.

#40 | Posted by boaz

Stop recruiting Trumps staff at MaraLargo.

#72 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-12 02:45 PM | Reply

What will it take to get Rcade to block the posts of Trump Pedophilia deniers for the exact same reasons?
~ Moder8

Where's the proof? Also weren't you a pedophilia defender in LA?

#73 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-12 02:46 PM | Reply

IAMRUNT spends 60 hours a week simping for a------------.

#74 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 02:48 PM | Reply

MAGA filth, why is the------------------- pressuring Boebert and Mace to remove their names from the Epstein petition?

#75 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 02:51 PM | Reply

Haha ... MAGAdiots on the DR are with Larry:

" DO NOT REPEAT THIS INSIGHT"

#76 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 02:52 PM | Reply

MAGA filth, why is the------------------- pressuring Boebert and Mace to remove their names from the Epstein petition?

#75 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

Yes. An interesting point to be made to someone who believes that the Epstein Files are redacted into uselessness.

I think that the problem is that that at least portions of those files are held by other parties. Including the Democrats, as witness today's events.

A highly redacted document may well be opposed by one not as much.

#77 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-12 02:56 PM | Reply

Even if we disregard the Epstein files and the many other allegations, it's been well-known that Trump is a sick @#$% since at least the ----- tapes. How anyone can defend him is beyond me.

#78 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2025-11-12 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Donald Trump appears to be terrified.

Maybe it will push his mind and/or body over the edge.

That will be a good day.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-12 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

let me get this straight.
#70 | POSTED BY ONETRUMPER

What's to point of reading anything you post.

Especially since you copy and paste it from Twitter or Reddit.

What an idiot you are.

#80 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

weren't you a pedophilia defender in LA?
POSTED BY ONETRUMPER

You're literally defending pedophilia.

#81 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 03:01 PM | Reply

#73: Yes, I defended lots of pedophiles in criminal court. And I know a dead to rights' guilty client when I hear one and see the surrounding circumstances. If Trump was forced to trial for child molestation based on the evidence made public so far, it would take a jury less than an hour to convict him. I would almost certainly advise him to consider a plea bargain. And that is the truth based on over thirty years of working cases like this, and more than a hundred jury trials. The jury would NOT view Trump favorably.

In fact, other than public defenders who have no choice if the client chooses to go to jury on this type of strong circumstantial evidence , the only private attorneys willing to try cases like this are getting paid exhorbitant amounts or receiving tons of free publicity.

Trust me. This type of train wreck was my bread and butter for decades.

#82 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The last jury trial similar to this before retiring, I was able to finagle the district attorney to offer my client a probation disposition. The client turned it down insisting this was all just circumstantial and hearsay evidence. He is now currently serving 7y8m in prison. Pathetic.

#83 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 03:12 PM | Reply

#73

In America, which you've never seen, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and everyone gets a lawyer. You pathetic pile of dog ----.

#84 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-11-12 03:12 PM | Reply

...and at least Trump isn't gay!
#20 | Posted by snoofy

Except when he was inseminated by Roy Cohn, virtually or otherwise.

#85 | Posted by FortNecessity at 2025-11-12 03:18 PM | Reply

What do yall think of that?

Why is Trump covering for Clinton?

#86 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-12 03:22 PM | Reply

And you Moder8, Are the LAST person any of us would take law advice from....LOL

#52 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:
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That's why she is appointed to those who need a free attorney. No one would hire her.

#87 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-12 03:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Evangelical pedofascists don't believe in due process or habeas corpus, so it is unsurprising that you'd get a comment like #73 - not knowing the difference between representing a defandant who is a pedophile vs. defending pedophilia.

#88 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 03:23 PM | Reply

"Remember when we learned that our wealthiest and most powerful people were connected to a guy who ran a literal child sex trafficking ring? And then that guy died mysteriously in a jail? And now we just don't talk about it."

JD Vance, on Twitter in 2021.

#89 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 03:23 PM | Reply

#70

A bowl of soggy rice no taste nice!

#90 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-11-12 03:24 PM | Reply

So let me get this straight.
The victim mentioned in the email we all worked up about, but is redacted, is Virginia Giuffre, who already testified in a 2016 deposition that Trump "never participated in anything" and that she never witnessed him being inappropriate.
Also other emails confirms what was already known, that Trump told Ghislaine Maxwell to stop trying to recruit Mar-a-Lago employees and kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of the club for trying to seduce a member of the Mara-Largo staff.
Thats it? Thats what all this is about?
LOL A bowl of nothing.

#70 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-12 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:
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You left out where Trump had a hooker pee on the bed the Obama's slept in.

#91 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-12 03:27 PM | Reply

Even if we disregard the Epstein files and the many other allegations, it's been well-known that Trump is a sick @#$% since at least the ----- tapes. How anyone can defend him is beyond me.

#78 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2025-11-12 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:
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So Trump likes woman. Just because you don't doesn't make it wrong.

#92 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-12 03:30 PM | Reply


@meidastouch.com
Innocent people wouldn't need to hold an emergency meeting to try to find a way to block the release of the Epstein Files

The orange diaper sniper is anything but innocent.

#93 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 03:34 PM | Reply

"If Trump was forced to trial for child molestation based on the evidence made public so far, it would take a jury less than an hour to convict him."
#82 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure, based on a redacted email. Even the NY Times won't print everything in them. He told Maxwell to stop? Yes, to stop stealing his staff.
Go watch Judge Judy, you might learn something.

#94 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-11-12 03:36 PM | Reply

Maybe it will push his mind and/or body over the edge.

That will be a good day.

#79 | POSTED BY ZED

So .. would we be lucky or unlucky that day?

Remember before you answer.. as CIC Trumpy has access to and controls the nuclear codes.

#95 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-12 03:39 PM | Reply

I've seen no smoking gun, only inuendo's from liberals.
But I am interested.
#50 | Posted by boaz

I take it that you are not much of a reader because Epstein used one of the most famous literary references in history to state that Trump was in on it. There's no ambiguity in that email.

#96 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-11-12 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pedo 47 is a rapist.

www.washingtonpost.com

#97 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 03:40 PM | Reply

Oh, good... FishunderagedP is going to tell us what Trump and Epstein's 'wonderful secret' was.

And how Epstein biographer Wolff was hallucinating when Jeffrey showed him Polaroids of Trump with naked girls of indeterminate age.

I mean, a good-hearted, honest, ethical, moral and religious man like Trump is beyond reproach!

Hopefully Trump never tells Fishy jump offa cliff and take his Granny (girlfriend) with him.

I mean, any President of these here 'New-nited States who would murder nearly 1/2 a million children this year by cutting off their food and medicine without giving other nations and orgs the time to make up the difference.... why that Honorable Soul would NEVER diddle 13 year olds!

Are you people CRAZY?!

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#73: Yes, I defended lots of pedophiles in criminal court.

Then why would you get worked up over people on either side of this, to the point of taking away their rights?

And I know a dead to rights' guilty client when I hear one and see the surrounding circumstances.

This is just BS, similar to a shrink claiming someone is a psychopath without ever really interviewing them.

#99 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-12 03:41 PM | Reply

If he sexually assaulted her, he would have gotten a trial.
#50 | Posted by boaz

That is not true.
New York couldn't try him criminally because the statue of limitations had expired when she came forward. Civil trial is the only option they had.

#100 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-11-12 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

MSNBC - Epstein emails
CNN - Epstein emails
FOX "news" - Venezuela, UC San Diego report on declining math skills, Harvard struggling to address grade inflation, Congressman Van Orden riding his motorcycle to DC...

#101 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 03:48 PM | Reply

He told Maxwell to stop? Yes, to stop stealing his staff?

By "staff" you mean young underage girls willing to give old men massages (and especially The Special) for money.

#102 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-12 03:49 PM | Reply

Trump reportedly banned Epstein from Mara-lago years before Epstein's arrest.

The shows Trump may have known Epstein's proclivity for young girls or maybe it doesn't. Just like these messages.

It also shows Trump doesn't condone it.

#103 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-12 03:54 PM | Reply

It also shows Trump doesn't condone it.

#103 | Posted by BillJohnson

Or just doing CYA.

#104 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-12 03:57 PM | Reply

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy," he said.

"He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it " Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

;;

"I have met some very bad people, none as bad as Trump," Epstein wrote in 2017 to former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers. "Not one decent cell in his body."

from the emails

For when the Pedo King Sex Trafficker thinks you are the worst person he ever met.

#105 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 03:57 PM | Reply

similar to a shrink claiming someone is a psychopath without ever really interviewing them.

#99 | Posted by oneironaut

Once they do things like rape and murder you no longer need a shrink.

Donald Trump's inner life is clearly visible through his visible behavior.

"Psychopath" is, at this point, a very viable description.

#106 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-12 03:59 PM | Reply

similar to a shrink claiming someone is a psychopath without ever really interviewing them.

#99 | Posted by oneironaut

Do you wait for a mechanic to tell you that you wrecked your car?

You saw the damned wreck; you were in the car The idea that the twisted metal needs to be "examined" is ludicrous.

#107 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-12 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And why are we going to just automatically take Epstein's word for anything.

Of course, boaz is a pedo defender.

#108 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-12 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Next thing you know, he and the other maga s^%# stains will be talking about how statutory rape laws are BS and should be done away with because 13 isn't really that young and if there's grass on the field you should be able to play ball ...

They're sick, awful people entirely beholden to a sick, awful person.

#109 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-12 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Fish-boy has chosen to double-down on stupidity.

He likes ol' bozo's style.

#110 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-12 04:08 PM | Reply

Trump reportedly banned Epstein from Mara-lago years before Epstein's arrest.
The shows Trump may have known Epstein's proclivity for young girls or maybe it doesn't. Just like these messages.
It also shows Trump doesn't condone it.
#103 | Posted by BillJohnson

Trump has publicly stated that the the reason Epstein was barred was not because of the sex trafficking but was because he was poaching Trump's employees after Trump told him to stop.
But let's say you are correct and Trump knew and didn't condone it. Then you are acknowledging that Trump knew but engage in the cover up.

#111 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-11-12 04:10 PM | Reply

Trump reportedly banned Epstein from Mara-lago years before Epstein's arrest.

The dates of the emails between Epstein and Maxwell tell a story that conflicts with this assertion - FDT didn't tell Epstein to stop, he told Maxwell to stop. They were in touch when FDT alleges they were not ...

The dog who never barked is from Sherlock Holmes - about the dog not barking when it should have, if the dog did not know the perpetrator of the crime:

Gregory (Scotland Yard detective): Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?
Holmes: To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time.
Gregory: The dog did nothing in the night-time.
Holmes: That was the curious incident.

It sure looks like the rapist felon knew about all of it, keeping his wonderful secrets...

#112 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 04:15 PM | Reply

The names being protected are known by both parties.

This is bigger than Trump and Clinton. Royalty? That's just one name.

Every who said they wanted names released suddenly go silent.

How many in Congress or no longer are involved. How many in Hollywood? How many of the wealthiest?

This is the conspiracy stories like JFK and RFK. 70 years later and names are still redacted.

Why? Because it'll take someone who doesn't care about tomorrow to throw it to the wind.

I agree- we'll never know if it's *all* the emails, etc.

#113 | Posted by Petrous at 2025-11-12 04:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump reportedly banned Epstein from Mara-lago years before Epstein's arrest.

Fake news.

Literally never happened.

#114 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 04:17 PM | Reply

I run interference for child predators.
POSTED BY BULLJOHNSON

All day long.

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 04:20 PM | Reply

Of course, boaz is a pedo defender.

Posted by jpw

I don't think believing a pedo makes you a pedo defender.

You're believing a pedo......

#116 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 04:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Boaz, FishPawn, OneTrumper, BullJohnson and the rest of the MAGA deplorable crowd are here to say they support pedophilia.

#117 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 04:22 PM | Reply

-If Trump was forced to trial for child molestation based on the evidence made public so far, it would take a jury less than an hour to convict him.

The evidence made public so far consists of what? Upthread it was said it was a few emails that exonerated Trump more or less. I'm guessing there is much much more that's public.

What is the evidence?

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 04:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump trying to Strongarm House Members not to vote to release Epstein File... that he ran on releasing....

"Exclusive: Trump administration holds Situation Room meeting over House effort to force release of all of DOJ's Epstein files"

www.cnn.com

www.youtube.com

#119 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 04:30 PM | Reply

Criticizing someone who objectively reads the emails between sex traffickers and doesn't automatically think, "These are pedophiles, so we can't believe ANYTHING they said to each other," is a pretty clear indicator of how deeply embedded the pedofascists of the DR are in the cult of FDT.

#120 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I see the usual DR Chuckos are out in full farce... defending the indefensible...

Ya know... 10 years ago... when Trumpanzee brought Bill Clinton's side salads into the Hillary Clinton debate... he set the tone of his legacy.

He started this fire...

burn baby burn...

#121 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2025-11-12 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Grijalva just started the timer on releasing the files. The House must vote on it in a week. Gonna be a dangerous week: a cornered narcissist with the nuclear codes and a bunch of Navy ships off the coast of Venezuela is wild. Who knows what he'll do in his panicked state of mind?

#122 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 04:35 PM | Reply

You ------- MAGATS are disgusting sub-human filth

#123 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-11-12 04:37 PM | Reply

The House must vote on it in a week

Pretty sure there's a plan in place to block it.

#124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 04:38 PM | Reply

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 04:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Pathetically hilarious --------

#125 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-12 04:38 PM | Reply

Of course, boaz is a pedo defender.

#108 | Posted by jpw

But you are willing to just take the word of an actual pedo and known briber.

#126 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 04:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sex predator Dummkopf Trumpf in the half-demolished White House Situation Room:

#127 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-12 04:39 PM | Reply

you are willing to just take the word of an actual pedo and known briber.

You just described Trump.

#128 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 04:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But I am interested.
#50 | Posted by boaz

I take it that you are not much of a reader.
--Donner

Chuckle.

#129 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-12 04:43 PM | Reply

#125 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-12 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag: One of Trump's victims

#130 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 04:45 PM | Reply

Who was the poster years ago who, anytime pedophilia and fame was brought up, said everything we needed to know was in the movie director's scene in The Godfather?

#131 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-12 04:45 PM | Reply

One,

"Similar to a shrink claiming someone is a psychopath without ever really interviewing them."

This site is even worse.

A bunch of armchair analysts who can read your mind and knows what everyone is thinking.

#132 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-11-12 04:46 PM | Reply

But you are willing to just take the word of an actual pedo and known briber.

#126 | POSTED BY BOAZ

That was his entire shtick, pedo supporter.

Or is this on the same level as Obama putting a birth announcement in a paper in Hawaii so he could run for potus?

#133 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-12 04:47 PM | Reply

-But you are willing to just take the word of an actual pedo and known briber.

When Trump tells people here what they want to hear, they believe him.

People see what they want, believe what they want, frame everything to their liking.

Bias is meant to be fought against....not embraced.

#134 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 04:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bias against a finger-raping fraud liar traitor and mass child murderer who is at this moment trying to stop the release of information he ran on releasing... is no vice.

#135 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"a finger-raping fraud liar traitor and mass child murderer"

if you believed all that, then you wouldn't refer to it as bias.

But you don't believe it all and you just admitted it. That's why you accepted the premise of "bias".

Where is the bias in the observation of objective facts? none.

But you think it is because, in your own feeble little mind, you're trying to convince yourself of the truth.

#136 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 05:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I don't think the main point of this is that it's cut and dry evidence that Trump molested this victim. This further points to the MUCH larger picture that Trump was familiar with the inner workings of Epstein's trafficking business.

I personally believe Trump is a sexual predator. He's already been convicted of such. More will eventually come to further light. But IMO, having knowledge of the things that were going on in Epstein's circle is just as disgusting, and also criminal. Those that defend Trump in any of this are still defending criminal behavior.

#137 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-11-12 05:11 PM | Reply

#136

Your English comprehension is no better than 1Nut's... wtf are you drinking, frozen Absolut shots?

Everything I said is easily proven fact.

Now, I understand it must be hard werk being a Republican these days, but do try to sober up.

#138 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What'sleft,

There's alot more evidence against Clinton than Trump.

Are you willing to say Clinton is a sexual predator too?

Why or why not?

#139 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 05:15 PM | Reply

-Everything I said is easily proven fact.

Let us know when you actually start believing that.

Because you don't.

Here is what Whatsleft just typed...."I personally believe Trump is a sexual predator"

That's where you are as well. You just don't have the nerve to admit it. Instead, you're trying to sell the notion it's not about belief. It's about provable facts.

But you're lying. You simply believe it which is fine (I do as well) but it's just a belief and you're just a dumfuq trying to split hairs over it.

#140 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 05:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I don't think the main point of this is that it's cut and dry evidence that Trump molested this victim."

I agree but there are some here who don't.......

Moder8, the criminal attorney, has already convicted Trump based on the evidence. He said so.

I've asked for the actual evidence.......nobody has even bothered to help the poor sap.

#141 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 05:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Now, I understand it must be hard werk being a Republican these days,

not really. What's the work? Being a republican means I get to vote in the GOP primary which is the only election that selects my representatives.

I could switch parties but then I'm reducing the impact of my vote to nothing.

maybe you waste your primary vote and you're too stupid to realize it. I don't know.

#142 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 05:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There's alot more evidence against Clinton than Trump.
Are you willing to say Clinton is a sexual predator too?
Why or why not?
#139 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Do you think deflecting to Clinton is a winning tactic?

Considering every democratic voter is okay with Clinton facing justice for actions he may have taken, one has to wonder why Republican voters are so desperate to run interference for Trump.

Boaz, just admit it, you're okay with pedophilia, as long as the pedophile is a Republican.

#143 | Posted by Clownshack at 2025-11-12 05:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Shorter Eberly:

There's no evidence that FDT is in the Epstein files.
FDT's efforts to keep the evidence from the public is merely a sign that he is innocent.
These new bits of evidence aren't credible because they were written by liars and pedophiles.
Ergo, there is zero evidence connecting FDT to Epstein.
LOL

#144 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Considering every democratic voter is okay with Clinton facing justice for actions he may have taken

Citation needed.

#145 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-12 05:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Unlike the Evangelical pedofascists in the MAGA cult, those of us not in the cult are absolutely OK with prosecuting Clinton if he was guilty of raping kids.

That these MAGAdiots think along these lines is telling. Whataboutism on steroids, but still defending the Orange pedo rabidly. Wild.

#146 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 05:42 PM | Reply

-Do you think deflecting to Clinton is a winning tactic?

No. It might reveal some to be hypocritical but who gives a crap?

144

In English, drama queen ... ... .if you're interested in a response

#147 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 05:43 PM | Reply

Repubicans have voted every time to prevent the release of the files.

Democrats have voted every time to release THEM ALL.

Please walk us through how this proves that the Democrats are protecting Bill Clinton. We'll wait.

#148 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 05:46 PM | Reply

There is evidence Trump is in the Epstein files.

First. There's the mountains of photographs of Trump and Epstein partying together. Trump and Epstein partying together with underage girls. Trump kissing underage girls.

Then there's the emails and letters Epstein and Trump sent each other.

Then there's Trump's own words about how he can't stop himself from sexually assaulting women.

Then. "U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi and her deputy Todd Blanche informed President Trump in May 2025 that his name was mentioned multiple times in the Jeffrey Epstein files."

But all of this just isn't good enough for Trump's steadfast defenders.

#149 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 05:50 PM | Reply

Moder8, the criminal attorney, has already convicted Trump based on the evidence. He said so.
I've asked for the actual evidence.......nobody has even bothered to help the poor sap.
#141 | Posted by eberly

We have a private email here from Jeffery Epstein in which he states that Trump knew about the trafficking and engaged in it with one of Epstein's victims. Do you need more evidence?
That email added to whatever is known about Epstein's trafficking should be more than enough justification for any holdouts in Congress to vote for releasing the rest of the files so the public can see the full extent of what is known unless they trying to cover for Trump or others who are named.

BRING IT ALL ON. Let the public see the details and make up our own minds about Trump, Clinton, Jean-Luc Brunel, Dershowitz, Andrew, Chomsky, Spacey, all of them.

#150 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-11-12 05:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

| POSTED BY BOAZ

What's interesting is, after months of you barely posting on the DR, you've shown up in full force to defend Trump's pedophilia.

And all you can do is cry about Clinton, who again, no one is defending other than the voices in your head.

You poor thing.

#151 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There's alot more evidence against Clinton than Trump.
Are you willing to say Clinton is a sexual predator too?
Why or why not?
#139 | Posted by boaz

The ways in which Bill Clinton exploited his wealth and power of his position to take advantage of women is gross and highly predatory and I don't know many people who would try to argue otherwise. I've not seen evidence that begins to establish his behavior has been criminal but I freely admit I would not be surprised to learn that it has been. I say again, "expose the cabal of sex traffickers who fill the American halls of power."

#152 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-11-12 05:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you've ever wondered about Bev's middle name, here it is:

prevarication
/pr"ver'kSH'n/
noun
the use of ambiguous or evasive language or behavior to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself.

prevarication

#153 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 06:02 PM | Reply

CLOWNSHACK,

FDT doesn't use email, so you won't find emails between the two. He operates like a mob boss, there will never be an email trail to follow. Otherwise, your points are valid.

The materials, photos, videos, accounts, testimony ... all of it must be mind-blowingly horrible.

#154 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 06:05 PM | Reply

When Trump tells people here what they want to hear, they believe him.

People see what they want, believe what they want, frame everything to their liking.

Bias is meant to be fought against....not embraced.

#134 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're trying too hard.

It isn't bias to take the emails at face value absent any indications they're illegitimate.

#155 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-12 06:16 PM | Reply

Boaz is putting in overtime to go to bat for his sex trafficking pedo leader.

#156 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-12 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump was identified as a sexual predator long ago. These emails simply solidify a picture everyone knew, but which the GOP found convenient to deny when they thought they would hitch their wagons to him for wealth and power.

This is the start of Trump's Reckoning. It should have happened long ago, and frankly before he was ever president, but better late than never.

#157 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-12 06:23 PM | Reply

-Do you need more evidence?

No. Not really.

But so what? I'm not on the jury and that email won't get you very far except to convince yourself in case you hadn't already accepted it.

But that's bias talking.

#158 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 06:30 PM | Reply

But so what?

Only you can answer that question for yourself. You're the one choosing this hill to make your stand, and it explains a lot about you.

#159 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 06:34 PM | Reply

But so what?

So public opinion matters more than it should.

It forces our politicians to act.

When republicans don't feel any pressure from their constituents to do anything, they won't.

When they have to choose between another term in office or supporting Trump, they may think twice.

#160 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 06:42 PM | Reply

Repugs expecting mass defections on Epstein vote

www.politico.com

Stinky's gonna be firing ketchup in all directions.

#161 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gosh, I wonder if Ghislaine Maxwell perjured herself when testifying to members of Congress about Dummkopf Trumpf and Jeffrey Epstein a few months ago....


#162 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-12 06:51 PM | Reply

Why would Republican congress block Prince Andrew's testimony? Why are Trump and Republicans running cover for pedos? Is it only because they're just copying the Democrats (under Biden)? So the Republicans ARE ALSO pedo protectors just like the Dems? Kash Patel lied to Congress when he testified that only Epstein abused children?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

#163 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-12 06:54 PM | Reply

Pedo 47 is going to attack Venezuelan in 3..2..1

#164 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Repugs expecting mass defections on Epstein vote
www.politico.com

Stinky's gonna be firing ketchup in all directions.

#161 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag: Curious

Good golly, Democrats in Congress are fired up and united about rightly harpooning the morbidly obese orange sexual predator, even getting Republicans on board, but were un-united about impeaching the Dotard over illegally bombing Iran this year or fighting for our ACA tax subsidies during the Republican Party government shutdown.

Curious.

#165 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-12 06:58 PM | Reply

My question is, according to some things I have seen, the victim that was redacted was the one who killed herself. She is on record as saying Trump did nothing to her.

Is there anything there? And why are we going to just automatically take Epstein's word for anything. He was conspiring with Wolf to blackmail Trump.

It really shows what type of man Epstein was and makes you wonder why anyone would even deal with him in the first place.

#12 | Posted by boaz

She was only in Epstein's orbit for 2 years.

We need to see what the files contain regarding the then 13-year-old who said Trump violently raped her at Epstein's NYC apartment. And other trafficked girls and women ...

#166 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-11-12 07:00 PM | Reply

-You're the one choosing this hill to make your stand, and it explains a lot about you.

Do you have a point?

I voted for Harris, Biden and Clinton.

I've voted against this ------- 3 times while less than enthusiastic about the alternatives.

I have no trouble believing Trump is guilty of knowing this ---- was going on and further even participating in it.

But it's a belief. Nothing more. I asked for evidence and an email from a Dead guy is what we have so far.

We all know that's not proof. Some are pretending it's objective evidence that convicts him in a court of law.

That's the hill you are standing on, Chubby.

Enjoy the view

My hill? It's where I can separate a belief from fact.

#167 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 07:04 PM | Reply

-When republicans don't feel any pressure from their constituents to do anything, they won't.

True

#168 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 07:06 PM | Reply

I voted for Harris, Biden and Clinton.
#168 | Posted by eberly

Eberly is a Republican just like BillJohnson is a Gay. :)

#169 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-12 07:19 PM | Reply

I asked for evidence

What evidence?

A video of Trump raping a 13 year old?

Trump's signed confession?

You're never gonna get any of that.

What you will get are some photos of Trump kissing underage girls, statements from underage girls talking about Trump walking in on them while they were changing, Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women. Tons of photos of Epstein and Trump hanging out together at parties.

None of that is evidence of rape. Sure.

But I bet most of use can say we've never done any of that.

#170 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 07:19 PM | Reply

"I asked for evidence"

The Birthday Drawing of a naked girl isn't evidence?

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-12 07:23 PM | Reply

It's not a video of Trump with his dick in a 13 year old, so probably not.

#172 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 07:25 PM | Reply

This certainly isn't evidence either!

New emails released by Democrats Show Epstein Claimed the President "spent hours at my house" with one of his apparent victims. This is that Victim, and this is her story about what Trump did to her. She was doxxed & had her & her daughters life threatened, scaring her into withdrawing her lawsuits
www.reddit.com

#173 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-12 07:33 PM | Reply

Files are being released now apparently, 20,000K documents, per CNN. Not sure if that's from

I'm no Trump fan, not even close, but I have a hard time believing anything in this release or afterwards will directly connect Trump to underage women.

Was he friends with Epstein and knew exactly what he was doing...and probably thought it was wild fun. Absolutely.

If Trump had a connection to underage women it would have come out in at least one of his presidential runs. Other stuff did, but not this.

#174 | Posted by brass30 at 2025-11-12 07:35 PM | Reply

I asked for evidence and an email from a Dead guy is what we have so far.

You have access to all the evidence we do.
Convicted felon.
Can't run a charity.
Lost multiple appeals on his sexual assault case.
Bragged about grabbing women by the ----- like it was a common thing.
Bragged about walking in on teenaged beauty contestants, because he could.
Told a 10 year-old girl he'd be dating her in 10 years.
Repeatedly commented about how his daughter was voluptuous and hot and he'd date her if he wasn't her dad.
Hundreds of pictures of the two of them together.
Is fighting tooth and nail to keep the Epstein files out of the public sphere.
28 credible accusations of sexual misconduct.

and on ...

But sure, you keep toeing the line like a good Repubic ... I mean, I guess, Democrat?

#175 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 07:35 PM | Reply

She was doxxed & had her & her daughters life threatened, scaring her into withdrawing her lawsuits.

"I knew she was a democratic hoax."
-Deplorable Trumping MAGAts

#176 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 07:37 PM | Reply

What you will get are some photos of Trump kissing underage girls, statements from underage girls talking about Trump walking in on them while they were changing, Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women.

I'm very doubtful of that, but if so, it's over for Trump.

#177 | Posted by brass30 at 2025-11-12 07:38 PM | Reply

You have access to all the evidence we do.

Really? No wait, we've known that for years and years.

You're trying very hard to pretend to be stupid or you're legitimately this stupid. We are talking specifically about his connection with Epstein and the suspected criminal acts.

But go back to his mishandling of a charity as evidence he's a pedo.

LOL

Keep swinging Chubby.

I'm kidding but maybe you are an actual fat ---

#178 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 07:39 PM | Reply

Was he friends with Epstein and knew exactly what he was doing...and probably thought it was wild fun. Absolutely.

That right there is enough ...

#179 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 07:39 PM | Reply

I'm very doubtful of that, but if so, it's over for Trump.
#177 | POSTED BY BRASS30

You're doubtful of what?

I'm not making any of that up. Feel free to fact check it.

Everything I posted in that comment is factually correct.

#180 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 07:43 PM | Reply

For those who can make the distinction between belief and evidence ... ... ..do you try to assert a yield sign is the same thing as a stop sign?

They're both road signs, right? Same!!!

#181 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 07:46 PM | Reply

A better question could be, does it matter whether or not Trump raped underage girls?

I would put my money on it not mattering much to the MAGA cult.

#182 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-12 07:51 PM | Reply

#178

Excellent demonstration of sealioning. Bravo!

#183 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 07:54 PM | Reply

182

Probably doesn't matter to the maga folks.

But then again it's obviously not important to chubby either.

#184 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 08:04 PM | Reply

Blanche covered up for the loathsome-------------.

www.rawstory.com

#185 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 08:15 PM | Reply

#184

What doesn't matter? You being a sea lion troll? Or you pretending you're not MAGA?

#186 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 08:25 PM | Reply

The reason it is called a 'totality of the circumstances' analysis is because you don't take each bit of information and analyze it in isolation. If you do that, even the strongest can begin to seem like flimsy building blocks. That is what Johnny Cochran successfully did in the OJ Simpson trial. As a general rule, it is a disingenuous and misleading manner of analyzing an event. That's how you get people buying into conspiracy theories and mass-appeal like such we hear about the JFK assassination and aliens from outer space and even mundane things such as the dangers of getting vaccinated and the 'true' origins of COVID.

What rational people do is look at the big picture. Almost always, the little quirky details that raise doubts among conspiracy theorists fall in place when viewed within the bigger context of the actual event. Currently, MAGgots don't want to do that in relation to the strong case to be made about Trump's history of pedophilia. Misrepresent a detail here. Deflect to a Democrats bad behavior from years ago there. Bring up an unrelated or misreported rumor to deny a bad fact or a particularly disturbing witness such as Epstein himself. Keep blowing that smoke as fast as they can. Maggots are pulling every pathetic defense obfuscation in the book and forcing every detail to be viewed out of the proper (big picture) context.

These newly released emails today should be the final nail in the coffin for honest, truth-oriented observers. But only when placed within the context and totality of all the other undisputed circumstances. Trump is a pedophile. When it requires coincidence after coincidence after coincidence to refute an allegation, then the allegation is almost always accurate. But again, stupid people such as the maggots do not want to and are intellectually unable to handle that.

#187 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 08:40 PM | Reply

Trump supporters are mentally ill and a threat to the safety of children and democracy.

#188 | Posted by cbob at 2025-11-12 08:55 PM | Reply

-What doesn't matter?

That Trump actually raped underage girls.

You don't care if he did it or not.

#189 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 08:56 PM | Reply

"When it requires coincidence after coincidence after coincidence to refute an allegation, then the allegation is almost always accurate"

Has that led your pedophile clients to be convicted?

#190 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 08:59 PM | Reply

#187

Ditto that.

But hey, Trumpers know that he's just not the kind of guy that would diddle 13 year olds... I mean, maybe someone whom Epstein stated, "knew about the girls" and didn't 'bark' about it; didn't turn Epstein in or stop seeing the girls.

Maybe a 'man' who had been convicted of finger-rape, was a notorious liar, a fraud, a traitor... a man who murdered nearly half a million children this year, sure... but not Donald Trump.

The Cult's not buying it.

#191 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 09:01 PM | Reply

If Democrats release files showing that Trump was complicit in Epstein's pedophilia, and Trump tries to distract from it by starting a war with Nigeria or Venezuela, then Democrats will have blood on their hands.

~ NY Times Pitchbot ~

#192 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 09:05 PM | Reply

"When it requires coincidence after coincidence after coincidence to refute an allegation, then the allegation is almost always accurate"
Has that led your pedophile clients to be convicted?
#190 | Posted by eberly

Not just child molest cases, but most crimes in general. A jury will go with you only so far, Once a lawyer starts arguing a chain of multiple coincidences the jury starts shutting down. I have seen it so often.

Honestly, when it does come specifically to child molest cases, the best way to win is to dig up enough dirt about the surrounding circumstances of the case to cause the prosecutor to lose faith in the certainty of the validity of a prosecution. No prosecutor wants to live with the weight of potentially sending a man to prison for the rest of his life if he/she has a lingering doubt about whether the crime really happened. Such as, a divorce scenario where it starts to seem very possible that the the wife is pressuring the child to make allegations against the father to gain the upper hand in the divorce proceedings. Or when the child turns out to have significant pre-existing mental health problems. Or, my favorite, when as a result of great investigation by my investigator we are able to bring in the girl's school principal to testify that he only really knows about 4% of the students at the school - the best 2% and the worst 2%, and then acknowledges that the alleged victim of the contested child molest case is well known to him because has had to both speak to her and discipline her on multiple occasions for lying and making false complaints about classmates she does not like.

#193 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 09:19 PM | Reply

- discipline her on multiple occasions for lying and making false complaints about classmates she does not like.

Her last name didn't happen to be Trump, did it? Because that sounds awfully familiar.

#194 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 09:25 PM | Reply

193

I can imagine some people who don't like you very much.

That's a tough situation to be in.

#195 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-12 09:28 PM | Reply

I Know Why Epstein Refused to Expose Trump: Michael Wolff | Inside Trump's Head

The Daily Beast

www.youtube.com

#196 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-12 09:43 PM | Reply

Megyn Kelly questions whether Jeffrey Epstein's desire for "very young teen types" made him a pedophile

www.mediamatters.org

Look at MAGAts trying to cover for the 300 lb sack of---------- and his wingman.

#197 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 09:47 PM | Reply

I can imagine some people who don't like you very much.
That's a tough situation to be in.

#195 | Posted by eberly

In my opinion, when it comes to things that really matter, it is far better to be honest (no matter the consequences) than popular. It is one of the reasons I have become a huge fan of Liz Cheney over the past five years.

#198 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 09:49 PM | Reply

#197 lol I knew that was coming.

#199 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-12 10:02 PM | Reply

whether Jeffrey Epstein's desire for "very young teen types" made him a pedophile

It makes him a serial rapist, if nothing else.

#200 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-12 10:06 PM | Reply

There is a difference both in the law and human neurology between lust for a five year old and lust for a sexually developed 15 year old.

Legally, the punishment for molestation of a five year old is life in prison. Molestation of a 15 year old (in California at least) usually results in a sentence of between 1 year and 8 years in prison.

Neurologically, although it may disgust people to acknowledge this fact, psychiatrists confirm that regular, healthy male heterosexual adults INVOLUNTARILY may be aroused by a well developed girl of 15. But no regular healthy male heterosexual is aroused by a five year old girl. Our bodies respond physically to the visual stimuli presented regardless of whether society says it is right or wrong morally. Hopefully this is common sense to most of you.

#201 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 10:28 PM | Reply

My question is, according to some things I have seen, the victim that was redacted was the one who killed herself. She is on record as saying Trump did nothing to her.
Is there anything there? And why are we going to just automatically take Epstein's word for anything. He was conspiring with Wolf to blackmail Trump.
It really shows what type of man Epstein was and makes you wonder why anyone would even deal with him in the first place.
#12 | Posted by boaz

She was only in Epstein's orbit for 2 years.
We need to see what the files contain regarding the then 13-year-old who said Trump violently raped her at Epstein's NYC apartment. And other trafficked girls and women ...
#166 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The cult members, like BOAZ, are fascinatingly short sighted and small minded.

#202 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-11-12 10:47 PM | Reply

From the link in 197

'KELLY: Yeah, so I don't know what's true about him, but we have yet to see anybody come forward and say...."

This is how the reframing of the situation ALWAYS starts

"Don't know what's true"
"Just asking questions"
"Did it really happen?"

Magat scum are truly vile

#203 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-12 10:49 PM | Reply

It really shows what type of man Epstein was and makes you wonder why anyone would even deal with him in the first place.
#12 | Posted by boaz

because they were rich pedophiles who thought they were untouchable

which is kinda true

that and the money laundering.

#204 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-12 10:50 PM | Reply

Back in the spring, it was Bondi I think who said that they shouldn't release the files because there was a lot of "unsubstantiated accusations"

I interpret this to mean that there were countless victim statements that so and so raped a child.

BUT

there was no corroborating evidence, which is completely logical given the type of crimes that occurred. there wouldn't be witnesses, certainly no rape kits, no video tapes, MAYBE some circumstantial evidence like diaries and the like, MAYBE contemporary communication with friends by the victims like in the E. Jean Carroll case

Hey maybe there ARE pictures of naked children sitting on Trump's lap, their are rumors along that line, but is that enough to push a criminal case?

This must have been a very difficult case compounded by the powerful people involved

So, the files likely contain countless people accusing Trump and Epstein and Maxwell and Prince Philip and a slew of others of rape.

UGLY

But prosecutable? Likely very difficult

But political dynamite?

No Doubt

#205 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-12 10:59 PM | Reply

Prince Andrew. Not Prince Phillip. Big difference.

#206 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-11-12 11:13 PM | Reply

WGAF the whole bloody family is scum

#207 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-12 11:21 PM | Reply

-What doesn't matter?

That Trump actually raped underage girls.

You don't care if he did it or not.
#189 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Ah, You're serving up a straw man with a side of sea lion. Got it. How many more logical fallacies will you grace us with in this matter?

We know FDT is a rapist. We know he perved on teenage girls. We know his best friend for 15 years was a------------. We know he is doing everything in his power to avoid the evidence coming out. If he is innocent, he would logically want the evidence proving his innocence to come out.

I want the remaining, living victims of Epstein and Maxwell to see justice served to their attackers. FDT is, at the very least, complicit. That alone is enough for me ... knowing that kids were being raped and trafficked and looking the other way, or actively protecting the rapists, and the johns that they trafficked to, is just as bad, IMO. Catch em all and lock em up. If Bill Clinton is among them, lock his ass up, too.

#208 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-12 11:35 PM | Reply

Pedo 47 is going to attack Venezuela in 3..2..1

#164 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-12 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag: Good Time for a Distracting War

And we have lift off! Well, not quite, but soon.

Dummkopf Trumpf had his eyes on Venezuela during his first Reign of Terror.

Ex-USSOF personnel were arrested for gun-smuggling to Venezuela a few years back.

The US announced it will stop participating in NATO exercises after 2025.

The Dotard blurted out "Secretary of War" months before the official change.

Empty Suit USSECSTATE went to El Salvador and Panama early in the junta. He's been working with CIA on de-stabilization plans for Venezuela.

USSECDEF Pete "Hic! Kegsbreath then went to Latin America. The US Army jungle training school was re=started in Panama, then the dipsomaniac gave the idiotic pep talk to the entire DOD leadership at Quantico, VA.

USSOUTHCOM CDR resigns and the Trumpf orders DOD personnel to sign NDAs.

Along the way Nicolas Maduro's plane was seized in a Caribbean nation and the bounty on his head increased to $50m.

The armada heads to Venezuela and conducts XJKs. USAF Stealth fighters are flown to Puerto Rico and now an aircraft carrier is in position.

USDOS issues warning to AMCITs in nearby Trinidad and Tobago and a US destroyer visits there.

War is right around the corner and a perfect to distract gullible Americans from inflation and the Epstein Files.

#209 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-13 12:09 AM | Reply

Jeffrey Epstein on Donald Trump: "He feels alone and is nuts!!! I told everyone from day one. Evil beyond belief. Mad, and most thought I was speaking metaphorically. It's obvious he could crack. Stormy Daniels? Lies after lies after lies."

i want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is trump. VICTIM spent hours at my house with him , he has never once been
mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there - JE

I have been thinking about that ... - GM

"Of course he knew about the girls as he asked ghislaine to stop," - JE

"I think you should let him hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or, if it really looks like he could win, you could save him, generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that, when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime." - Michael Wolff

#210 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-13 12:55 AM | Reply

-How many more logical fallacies will you grace us with in this matter?

None. Exactly how many I've delivered so far.

All I served up are facts.

You don't care if Trump raped anyone or not.

You don't. Facts are someone else's problem. Not yours.

Keep cheerleading for what you want. It's all you got.

Facts are irrelevant to you. You're too married to an outcome to care about facts.

When you first heard about the Epstein files, you conjured up what was in them. Since then, nothing else matters. Certainly not actual facts. Just the conclusion.

I believe Trump's guilty of pretty much what you do. But it's an opinion.

The difference is that I have the sanity to call it an opinion.

You don't.

#211 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-13 12:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh, that's what you're on about?

It's all, like, my opinion, man.

You think I'm commenting on this blog as a legal scholar or something? WTF's wrong with you? Your completely useless argument makes some sense in that context, but maybe you should reconsider taking your meds again.

#212 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-13 01:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All I served up are facts.

Really? Help us all out here an give us the bullet list of facts you served up in this thread.

Hell, just give us 3 facts, if more it too difficult.

You're arguing with yourself in your own head now. Lay out the facts, one sentence each is fine. We don't need any details...

#213 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-13 01:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The revelations? In those files come as no surprise to anyone. While trafficking underage girls is a serious crime, and should be dealt with as such, the pretense, by Trump cult members, that we didn't all know who and what Donald Trump was and still is, for his entire life, is just a bridge too far but the real hypocrisy has been compounded by his ability to cozy up to ultra conservative Evangelical Christians so successfully as if there wasn't a bizarre irony about him being so idolized by their community. I'm sorry but his apparent leadership of the political arm of the conservative Christian population in the U.S. does make it very difficult to maintain the illusion that their political issues are based on Christian values and not just intolerance and bigotry like the KKK decades ago.; Hell! Do they honestly think White Christian Nationalism can be viewed as anything else? Preposterous! It's obviously just a new version of Nazism and an egotistical, self-serving wannabe dictator like Trump just completed the picture of the type of nation that the conservative Christian movement wants as the new reality in America complete with book burnings and demonization of intellectuals and scientists.

#214 | Posted by danni at 2025-11-13 08:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's alot more evidence against Clinton than Trump.
Are you willing to say Clinton is a sexual predator too?
Why or why not?
#139 | Posted by boaz

Hmm, is there more evidence against Clinton than Trump? I don't think that's true, but that doesn't mean Clinton is innocent. The survivors' list of who abused them needs to come out. If Bill Clinton is on the list, so be it.

Khashoggi's Ghost
@urocklive1.bsky.social
Oh dear, MAGA is going to be bummed. One of the Epstein emails specifically said Clinton was never on the island, and that the stories were complete and utter fantasy. He also said he'd never met Al Gore.

Jeffrey Epstein Said Bill Clinton Was Never On the Island' In Newly Released Emails
www.mediaite.com

#215 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-11-13 08:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Epstein spent Thanksgiving with his wingman pedo 47 in 2017.

www.rawstory.com

#216 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-11-13 08:36 AM | Reply

"It's all, like, my opinion, man."

Fine but you've tried selling it as more.

Maybe qualify is as such earlier next time, little fella. Or just stay on the porch where you belong.

"you should reconsider taking your meds again."

Geez...you really threw in the towel there.

#217 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-13 08:53 AM | Reply

Clinton had a sexua
L relationship with a consenting adult( not surprised that Trump Culgmbers can't discern the difference between that and sex with underage girls which is a felony while the other is not a criminal offense.

#218 | Posted by danni at 2025-11-13 09:10 AM | Reply

Righty tightys keep telling us we are afraid Clinton's "name is on the list".

Yet you hear nothing from the Clinton camp trying to stop this process or lawyering up... They're going on about their businesses...

Trumpanzee started this discussion when he brought Bill's side salads into the argument as an attack on Hillary... Righty tightys keep telling us we are afraid Clinton's "name is on the list". Attacking the Clinton's sexual proclivities never turns out too well for the republicl0wns...

Why can't the cl0wns learn everytime they go barking up that tree it turns out way worse for them...

YOU DISGUSTING PIGS WILL LONG FOR THE DAY WHEN YOUR "TOE-TAPPING" BATHROOM EXPLOITS SUMMED UP YOUR NASTINESS

#219 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2025-11-13 09:54 AM | Reply

Takeaways from new emails about Trump and his late friend Epstein

Epstein said he spent Thanksgiving with President Trump in 2017

www.msnbc.com

#220 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-11-13 10:09 AM | Reply

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#221 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-11-13 10:14 AM | Reply

Wolff said that Epstein, Trump, and Tom Barrack were inseparable.

Barrack is now Trump's Amb to Turkey.

#222 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-13 10:40 AM | Reply

Trump told Ghislaine Maxwell to stop trying to recruit Mar-a-Lago employees and kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of the club for trying to seduce a member of the Mara-Largo staff.

Thats it? Thats what all this is about?

LOL A bowl of nothing.

Why would Trump tell her to stop? Why would Trump care if a waitress got another legal gig?

The only reason to tell her to stop is because he knew what they were being recruited for. He knew Maxwell was the bottom bitch of a child pimp. At the very least he knew, did nothing and said nothing for years and remained Epstein's "good friend" right up to point indictments were filed.

#223 | Posted by BluSky at 2025-11-13 10:59 AM | Reply

So Pedo47 had thanksgiving dinner with BFF Jeffery years AFTER he said he kicked him out.

Yeah, lots of people do that.

BTW, that thanksgiving dinner was AFTER Jeffy was caught trafficking underage girls and given a sweetheart deal by Alex Acosta (who was Pedo47's Secy of Labor) and Pamnesia Bondi in FLORIDA.

THEY ALL KNEW. THEY ARE ACCOMPLICES.

#224 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-11-13 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Fine but you've tried selling it as more.

Maybe qualify is as such earlier next time, little fella.

I'm not selling ----, but you sure are working hard to make up the straw man that you can valiantly take down.

All of this is serious, except maybe to you pedoclowns. Keep defending your felonious rapist, and going off on tangents when your fee-fees get hurt or you think you've isolated a gotcha moment, LOL.

I'm on the right side of this issue. The way you're arguing sure does point to how you condone all the horrible things your idol has done. You enjoy cruelty and suffering, but choose to camouflage it with your rhetoric.

I look forward to more revelations- there are 20,000 emails, and more evidence will come out, now that the cat's out of the bag for drumpty. It will be a refreshing change to watch you pivot. Since none of you sociopaths can ever admit you're wrong about anything, we'll be unsurprised when you refuse to accept reality again.

#225 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-13 12:02 PM | Reply

#139 | Posted by boaz

Sorry I didn't see this earlier.

I think ALL the unredacted files should be released. Let ALL the chips fall.

Why are you still defending it?

#226 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-11-13 12:07 PM | Reply

"Keep defending your felonious rapist,"

absolutely nobody thinks I'm defending anything done by that -------. I'm 100% in favor of releasing all of it.

I'm just picking on you for the moment. When corky comes along desiring another --------- and I'm in the mood....so be it.

But if all you have is that worthless accusation?

enjoy your nothin-burger.

#227 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-13 12:30 PM | Reply

-I'm on the right side of this issue.

maybe. I realize you think you are....but you're really just desiring a certain outcome. not just the release of the files but rather what's in the files.

I want the release of the files. The facts. I'm not rooting for what facts I want. I just want the facts.

That's probably where we differ on this issue. You want the content to include specifics of your choosing.

IN the meantime, you'll continue to assert you KNOW what's in the files.

#228 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-13 12:32 PM | Reply

- When corky comes along desiring another ---------

You have a vivid imagination... but then, a lot of 5 year olds do.

#229 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-13 12:43 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure that buried underneath all of this back-and forth Trump/Epstein jibber-jabber lies the real reason Benjamin Netanyahu is given multiple extended standing ovations whenever he decides to visit America and grace the hallowed halls of Congress.

www.youtube.com

#230 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2025-11-13 12:48 PM | Reply

Kind of messed up he bought Melania, a used up prostitute, from Epstein. Who I'm guessing originally bought her from Putin.

#231 | Posted by 2020Rocks at 2025-11-13 12:50 PM | Reply

But if all you have is that worthless accusation?

There's that isolated gotcha argument again. What you're doing isn't -------------, it's making up arguments in your head and attributing them to me. Typical not-liberal clown arguments. Pointless.

Upthread, I asked you to bullet-point a few of the "facts" you were "serving." Please give us that list. It will be easy, just scroll up to the top and shoot us a summary of what it is you're trying to say. It's getting too difficult to interpret whatever it is you think you're saying.

I think it's appropriate to admit that, technically, FDT is NOT a pedophile. He's actually an ephebophile (although saying that he'll be dating a 10 year old in 10 years might be an indicator that I'm wrong here). We all understand the broad usage of the term, "pedophile," so we use it in arguments, and everyone knows what it means, despite it being technically an incorrect term. If this is too complicated for you, don't worry about it.

#232 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-13 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

,,,you're really just desiring a certain outcome. not just the release of the files but rather what's in the files...You want the content to include specifics of your choosing. IN the meantime, you'll continue to assert you KNOW what's in the files.

Literally none of this is accurate. Completely made up in your own head.

#233 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-13 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A straw man fallacy is a type of argument where someone misrepresents or exaggerates another person's argument to make it easier to attack. Instead of addressing the actual argument, they argue against this distorted version, creating the illusion of having refuted the original point."

#234 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-13 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-I asked you to bullet-point a few of the "facts" you were "serving." Please give us that list.

nope.

Here is my list.......everything I've said

If you think something isn't a fact...then serve it up, little fella.

#235 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-13 12:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sealioning:

From Wikipedia:

The sealioner feigns ignorance and politeness while making relentless demands for answers and evidence (while often ignoring or sidestepping any evidence the target has already presented), under the guise of "just trying to have a debate",[5][6][8][11] so that when the target is eventually provoked into an angry response, the sealioner can act as the aggrieved party, and the target presented as closed-minded and unreasonable.

#236 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-13 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Literally none of this is accurate.

LOL....I don't care about what's in your head and heart. I think what I said is true but it's irrelevant.

Just like you accusing me of defending a pedophile. see how that works?

#237 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-13 01:01 PM | Reply

"I don't think believing a pedo makes you a pedo defender."

"The evidence made public so far consists of what? Upthread it was said it was a few emails that exonerated Trump more or less. I'm guessing there is much much more that's public. What is the evidence?"

"Do you need more evidence? No. Not really."

"I asked for evidence and an email from a Dead guy is what we have so far."

"What doesn't matter? That Trump actually raped underage girls."

#238 | Posted by chuffy at 2025-11-13 01:12 PM | Reply

You guys never get tired of being played. Another nothingburger. Like cats chasing a laser pointer.

#239 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-11-13 01:28 PM | Reply

| Posted by chuffy

Surely you've heard to old argument analogy about wrestling with a pig...

...Beverley is the pig.

#240 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-11-13 01:49 PM | Reply

Angrydad is a pustule on the pig's starfish.

#241 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-11-13 02:03 PM | Reply

Republicans still can't accept that Trump likes to fuck girls?

What would it take?

#242 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-13 02:33 PM | Reply

You guys never get tired of being played. Another nothingburger. Like cats chasing a laser pointer.

#239 | Posted by visitor_

Funny that your cults strategy of calling epstein a nothingburger isn't working.

It's hard to credibly say there's nothing to see when you're clearly working so hard to hide the evidence.

#243 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-13 02:45 PM | Reply

Also funny how trump's entire law enforcement team was hand picked to suppress this nothingburger.

#244 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-13 02:46 PM | Reply

Republicans still can't accept that Trump likes to fuck girls?

What would it take?

#242 | Posted by snoofy

Well, you dont believe Clinton likes to fuck girls either, although Clinton was caught fucking one in the oval office.

#245 | Posted by boaz at 2025-11-13 02:54 PM | Reply

"Well, you dont believe Clinton likes to fuck girls either"

Say what now?
Clinton likes getting BJs from trashy women.
This is not in dispute.

#246 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-13 02:55 PM | Reply

There's alot more evidence against Clinton than Trump.
Are you willing to say Clinton is a sexual predator too?
Why or why not?
#139 | Posted by boaz

Release the files.

All of them.

If they include Clinton so be it. Let him burn for anything he did.

It's not hard unless someone is drinking the kool aid from the cult trough like you.

#247 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-11-13 02:57 PM | Reply

"There's alot more evidence against Clinton than Trump."

Not when it comes to underage girls there isn't.

#248 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-13 02:58 PM | Reply

"Are you willing to say Clinton is a sexual predator too?"

For getting a consensual BJ from an adult woman who came to D.C. with the intent of having sex with Bill Clinton?
No, I'm not willing to call Bill Clinton a sexual predator for that.

#249 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-13 02:59 PM | Reply

Another nothingburger.

Lots of presidents huddle up in the situation room with the AG, Deputy AG, Director of the FBI pleading with members of congress in vain trying to get them to protect himself.

Yeah...the amount of effort Pamnesia, Holy Mike and the rest of the pedophile apologists in the GOP sure makes it look like a big old somethingburger....a big old bag of pedophiles starting with Pedo47.

Who else will we find? Rupert Murdoch? Bill Gates? Bezos? Bob Kraft? Matt Gaetz?

RELEASE THE FILES!

PROVE THAT IT IS A NOTHINGBURGER.

#250 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-11-13 03:03 PM | Reply

"Are you willing to say Clinton is a sexual predator too?"

Are you willing to just discuss Trump without deflecting?
No, you're not. You're here to run damage control and that's it.

I don't see why you bother. Republicans are overwhelmingly okay with what Trump is alleged to have done, which is have sex with underage girls. Republicans fight for the right to marry underage girls, for example. They're fine with it. You're the one who looks out of place here, Boaz, by not being fine with it. You're kind of doing a Streisand Effect thing with your ridiculous denials of the obvious.

#251 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-13 03:07 PM | Reply

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