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But there is a law and Trumpy violated it. And every government employee who works in these campaign ads violated those laws.
And I'm not ignoring the threat of pardons. I say indict them anyway and MAKE him pardon them. Holding Trumpy and his co-conspirators accountable is for another Congress. Not this one.
No, donner, we are well and truly ------
I get it. It feels hopeless sometimes. Because we are in the middle of HISTORY and hard to see how this will end. And using history as a guide it won't end well for the fascists.
I have been in battles before when it feels like I am losing the fight and the thing is ... sometimes it does feel like you are losing because you cannot tell from where you are. And you WILL lose if you give up things when the going gets tough. Then you push thru and win. Because you didn't give up. So don't give up. Our Democracy WILL prevail over fascism in the end. It just won't prevail as fast or like we wish it would.
Don't let them decide what America will be.
Anyway the fight has barely begun (Dems currently have no power) so don't give up now! The midterms are here and accountability IS coming. I expect it to be at least a bit painful for the Americans who participated in and supported the Great American FAFO. It will be painful for all of us to watch.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy

Couple of nitpicks

I don't believe Piggy can violate a law related to his core duties. Absolute immunity is, effectively, that condition

You say indict anyway. Who exactly will indict? Certainly not Piggy's DOJ. So, we are talking 2027, at the earliest. So, effectively immune

Fascists haven't always lost, plenty of nations today have fascist governments (Russia, Turkey, Iran, ---- even China) so to say that it won't end well for them is naive

Honestly it is hard to give 2 ----s when my vote has counted exactly nothing in federal elections since 1984 when I voted for the first time. to say nothing of the fact that democrats are more and more not representing my interests or desires for this country.

I think you are way to naive about accountability AND about the willingness of republicans to cheat and steal and dems lack of capacity to challenge them effectively

I am more and more hoping and praying for a depression. Maybe, just possibly, that will cure Americans of their ignorance and venality

No there isn't

The president is immune
That's beside the point. The Presidents so called "immunity" does not negate the law.
The president may be immune ATM (a discussion for another thread) but none of the government employees who worked on this are immune from being prosecuted for violating the Hatch Act.
So yes there is a law. It's called the Hatch Act.
There are also appropriation laws.
"No part of any appropriation contained in this Act shall be used for publicity or propaganda purposes not authorized by the Congress."
The GAO Legal Principles (that interpret this law) classify prohibited government media into three distinct types: self-aggrandizement (puffery), purely partisan material, and covert propaganda.
Under the current Congress accountability is not here. But accountability is coming.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy

I'm sorry donnerboy but you are wrong.

We can have a discussion on the immunity decision, but since it is a SC decision it will (most likely) take an amendment to overturn.

You seem to ignore the pardon power

You seem to ignore a DoJ that is no longer apolitical

There is little incentive to investigate let alone prosecute people in this circumstance.

the president CAN withhold spending. The act of spending (not appropriating) is a core function. President cannot break the law regarding impoundment.

People don't understand that fact

Even without a political DoJ what incentive do they have to pursue any crime committed by the Executive?

If even if the dems overcome the longshot and take either the house or the senate, in what world do you envision the Piggy white house to work with them? They will ignore all subpeonas, they will refuse to testify, Piggy will drag it out and pardon anyone even threatened with prosecution.

No, donner, we are well and truly ------

We no longer live in a representative democracy, we live in a dictatorship

People need to understand something very very basic

Our system of governance is no longer what it was

It was a system based on the rule of law with numerous unspoken agreements on what people should and should not do.

That is no longer the case

Prior to the trump SC decision there was at least the concept that a president could be held accountable, thus restraining his actions a little bit

Shame, if nothing else, would prevent the worst of the abuses

That simply no longer applies.

Our SC in all its infinite wisdom said a president cannot break the law

Yes, yes, supposedly limited to core functions.

But in reality, core functions means whatever the ---- the president wants it to mean

Well Mr. Truthhurts sir, you say, his co-conspirators would never, ever break the law because THEY would be held accountable

And I shake my head and say oh, naive sweet summer child. There is a thing called pardon.

We, in our infinite wisdom (or is it folly) gave the president unquestionable pardon power

So, think about it, pardon power-core presidential power.

He can pardon whoever he wants for whatever reason he wants including accepting obvious quid pro quo bribes for pardons

He has done that, repeatedly

He has blanket pardon THOUSANDS of criminals who committed the worst crimes our democracy could suffer-insurrection

There is little doubt this man will pardon more thousands on his way out the door preventing thousands more from receiving justice

These are the facts of a nation no longer ruled by law but by the whims of one person

So, when people say that is illegal, they naively miss the point

When the president does it, it isn't illegal

Not by him or anyone he will pardon

This is what the SC has created.

It is literally the opposite of what we fought our revolution over

So, once again, I must sincerely, from the bottom of my heart thank magat scum for what you have done to this country that I love(d)

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